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Breuer
10-26-2004, 09:22 AM
Hey guys! Ive been a LW user for roughly 3 years now and love the program!
I mainly work as an illustrator, but do some animation as well. But when it comes to character animation... Ive never really ventured there! Not properly anyway. Dont get me wrong! Ive tried! Ive used the standard Dan Ablan skelegon rig for a few simple rigs, but they never give me much control. Ive done simple weighting and target nulls an all that, but I never seem to get what I want.

So Im starting this thread, not only for myself, but for all those who would like to start character animation, but dont where to start.

For all those who bought LW8, Id like to do a rig similar to the beeman rig from the ik-rig contents folder. Theres the control im after.

So if anyone has any knowledge, tips, links and/or other resources on this topic I encourage you to post them here.

And heres a picture of the character/wire Im wanting to rig.
wire (http://tordenskrall.intermedia.uib.no/erik/host/led.jpg)

T4D
10-26-2004, 10:22 AM
i have a free tutorial for rigging in Lightwave 7.5c on my site http://www.thomas4d.com/a_modeler.htm

also have some rigs to pull apart and learn from here http://www.thomas4d.com/html/free_3d_tools.html

and i sell rigging plugins:)

also some great info here http://www.spinquad.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1871

hope this helps :thumbsup:

Rigging is nothing tricky it's just takes alittle time to learn like anything in Lightwave:thumbsup:

Sil3
10-26-2004, 12:38 PM
I would suggest u to look also at Timothy Albee´s book: Character Animation in LW 7.

He builds a rig and explain by detail why he´s building it that way, although it might feel a bit strange at first i like he´s rig, independent controls for almost all limbs, just what i like :buttrock:

The exercises at the end of the book are worth the books price alone and more, take a look at it, it wont hurt :)

adrencg
10-26-2004, 03:07 PM
i have a free tutorial for rigging in Lightwave 7.5c on my site http://www.thomas4d.com/a_modeler.htm

also have some rigs to pull apart and learn from here http://www.thomas4d.com/html/free_3d_tools.html

and i sell rigging plugins:)

also some great info here http://www.spinquad.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1871

hope this helps :thumbsup:

Rigging is nothing tricky it's just takes alittle time to learn like anything in Lightwave:thumbsup:I love your rig Thomas (I'm a customer) and have been using it extensively.

I find it very versatile except for one problem...the spine is a serious low-point for such a great rig. Any plans to get something more flexible in there, maybe IK anchored? When I use your rig, I always end up planting a new spine rig in the character.

Again, keep up the great work. Your plug has saved me many hours of IK testing.

Mike

Breuer
10-28-2004, 03:52 PM
Hi guys!

Thanks for the replies and sorry for being late in responding!

I am now strongly considering buying Timothy Albees book on character rigging and animation, but would love to hear from more peopple who can share their experiences regarding this book! How does is apply to LW8? Is it difficult? How does the techniques shown in the boook apply to your own models?

Are there any newer books (LW8) on character rigging and animation?
Hopefully some of you can answer a few of these questions :)

Breuer

pooby
10-28-2004, 08:42 PM
Adrencg,

try this spinal rig out.. it's a variation on the isner spine. it can be controlled from either end and works out the curve inbetween.

It's complicated to setup, but makes animating fun instead of a headache.

To demonstrate how easy it is to use, In this scene is an animated climb up a wall.. Try adjusting the posing during the animation by moving the spinebase.. it doesn't screw up anything going on at the top half of the body like an FK spine would and doesn't Buckle like a simple IK spine would.. It's just like he's now doing the same thing but with his hips where you now have put them..

I'm currently collaborating with a coder (Greg Malick) to make an Lscript that sets it up automatically.

DMack
10-28-2004, 08:57 PM
I would seriously look into Messiah Animate 5. I purchased it a few weeks back and have been utterly impressed. It works well as a plugin (though it can also be used standalone) and has numerous advantages over charater stuff in LW, for example its 'setup' mode. LW has many many strong features (it's very good intuative renderer etc - with unlimited free nodes!!!) but IMHO does not have strong charater/rigging tools. Take a look at www.projectmessiah.com (http://www.projectmessiah.com) - I think you'll be impressed.

9192
10-28-2004, 09:28 PM
I'm too mostly working on 2D architectural illustration and want to mve on animation. Not for work, but just for fun. I got stucked on LW character animation even went through Albee book. It's goog book, very good book, but maybe to high for my knowledge. I got back and start everything over on LW8 again, going though manual now page by page. I also, looking at the Meshiah and wonder how good it work well with LW as the plug in. (animate in there and send back to render in LW?)
I also try XSI, the setup rigging is great, but I personally don't like the interface and workflow. I don't need to start the war on software. I like XSI to but for normal task nad rendering it is just too complication. And worst of all, it requires hiend hard ware while I do aimation for fun as hobby. I can not afford everthing for it.

SplineGod
10-28-2004, 09:32 PM
Breuer,
Character stuff is pretty much what I do for a living in LW. Ive done it for many years at studios such as Netter, Foundation Imaging, Amalgamated Pixels, Warner Bros and so on.
If you really want to learn to rig I would suggest my rigging module from my character series. Its about 15 hours of material on just rigging and I guarentee youll learn it. I also include information on the new bone tools and IKBooster. I also provide unlimited online support.

Celshader
10-28-2004, 10:00 PM
So if anyone has any knowledge, tips, links and/or other resources on this topic I encourage you to post them here.
I learned some excellent tips & tricks from a friend who had read Timothy Albee's book, but I learned most of what I currently know about character rigging from Larry "Splinegod" Shultz. :thumbsup:

Here's snippets of my older character rigs in action:
http://www.celshader.com/gallery/md/TKD-kara.mov
http://www.celshader.com/temp/spidey-cam-a-v2.mov

kretin
10-29-2004, 09:31 AM
Are there any newer books (LW8) on character rigging and animation?
Hopefully some of you can answer a few of these questions :)
Here's the thread on my books due out in the next few days, LightWave 3D 8 Cartoon Character Creation Volumes 1 & 2:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=140219

Both books have rigging info, but the second is dedicated to rigging and animation.
And ask away, I'm sure we'll all be happy to help :)

Breuer
10-29-2004, 02:32 PM
Thanks alot guys. You are helping me tremedously here:)

Pooby : Thanks for the scene, it looked really good played around with it for a while. Good fun and very helpful

DMack : Yeah... don't think I haven't :drool: Only problem is.... I'm on a mac :cry: Thanks for the advice though!

9192 : Its good to hear that there are more people like me out there. I'm actually borrowing the Tim Albee book from a friend now and it seems very good this far!

SplineGod : Thanks! I am and have been seriously considering your courses for a long time. I just need my woman's consent on spending the extra money :)

Celshader : Lovely looking animations. I want to do that!!! And soon I will :twisted:

Kretin : WOW!!! This is just what I need! I'll definetely be buying these! Brialliant. I'll probably have some questions for you first though :) . Need to read the thread you linked to first...

Thanks you all and this brilliant community.

Breuer

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