Disney sequels could damage Pixar

[private]

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I disagree. For example, Charles in Charge with Scott Baio doesn't have a negative impact on CBS anymore. It's over. Done. That's all in the past. Pixar will just have to treat all the property as dead, as they can't use any of the Toy Story, Incredible stuff anymore. So beit. It's much better continuing to develop new ideas, new stories and new characters. Dreamworks will milk everything out of the Shrek franchise, but that's all they got. I would be more worried about them.

[Fasty]

The kids won't care, they just wanna see Buzz and Woody again, in all their direct to video glory! And why would parents care if it gives them another couple of hours of peace? The only ones who care are us animation nerds.

[private]

The kids won't care, they just wanna see Buzz and Woody again, in all their direct to video glory! And why would parents care if it gives them another couple of hours of peace? The only ones who care are us animation nerds.
I agree. Direct to video is the way they will go/have to go. Would they risk putting out and marketing the sequels on their own? They will be setting themselves up for the fall, because everyone will compare them to the originals. Disney hasn't even proven that they can come up with a decent story lately, let alone a story and new assets for a complete CG feature.

[Iain McFadzen]

The article isn't talking about damage to specific IPs, they are talking about damage to the overall Pixar brand being caused by further development (potentially underdevelopment) of those IPs.

[PokeChop]

Sounds like it out of the hands of Pixar non-the-less. Nothing Pixar can do but buy a ticket, some popcorn and a Dr. Pepper and watch their characters on the silver screen again just like the rest of the population.

[agreenster]

Sounds like a bunch of gloom and doom nonsense if you ask me. As long as Pixar keeps making the amazing movies they are making, they will make tons of money. People will see the previews, hear the buzz, and go to the best movies.

What would be really funny is if the TS sequels are actually good.

[L.Rawlins]

Its a possibility.

But I'll still throw most of the contents of my popcorn bucket at that bloody blue castle.

Purely out of initial discontent.

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Call it a 'reflex action'. :D

[RobertoOrtiz]

Hate to say it. but the article has a point.


One of the best ways to kill off a brand is oversaturation.
Specially if the product being produced is not up to par.

Just look at what happened to the 2d market a few years back
when it was oversaturated with less than stelar product.

As someone already mentioned, kids (hell even parents) dont know the
diference. The only thing they will notice is how Toy Story III and IV
had very mediocre plots.

-R

[paintbox]

Dont worry, in 20 years time the oversatured poor-quality rip-offs will look very retro and hence, very cool and make tons of money.

Poor-quality is the hype of the future !

[wash]

"The unproven writing and graphics quality of Disney's work with computer-guided-image animation may have an unintentional 'contagion' impact .."

on a side note, I much prefer the term computer-guided images instead of computer generated images, for the CGI acronym.

[thesuit]

Never I thought I'll live to see the day where Disney became a cancer and a parasite on the kids enterteinment market. Poor Walt must be trying to ramble out of his grave...

My support goes to the uninspired and unmotivated artist forced to work on such mediocre plots and money-grabin' - merchandise geared characters. It feels as if someone just killed pinochio...

I dont think Disney will damage Pixar in the long run but I also agree that the Disney-Pixar franchises will be sucked dry... crap just saying that makes me cry... run Woody run!

[Rye]

Whether it has a negative effect or not, most people outside of cgtalk will never know who really made the movie. Most of my friends think everything made by Pixar, Dreamworks, and Blue Sky is Disney anyway. No matter how many times I try to explain it to them :shrug:

[the sparky]

yep. everyone I know used to think that everything 2D was Disney and everything 3D was Pixar. It's taken years of training to teach them otherwise.

[Nathan]

bah, whatever.

they used to say the exact opposite when pixar was thinking of leaving disney. that pixar didn't have enough of a name to go on their own, that their movies were reliant on the disney logo. they have proven otherwise with each movie.
the general public may be complete morons, but they seem to be smart enough to know (despite all the research groups like this one do) that pixar made these movies and pixar is great. they will also know that pixar did not make these upcoming crap sequels and it will only hurt disney more than they already are.
disney is going down the flusher, that's all there is to it, and everyone knows it. I'm sure they're not going to go down easy, and they'll make a big stink as they do it, but pixar will be just fine. and the sooner they distance themselves the better, no matter what sort of low blows disney tries to pull.

[janhath]

I feel before another ten years get here there will be Toy story 3 and 4 Incredibles 2 Cars 2,bugs life 2,nemo 2,Monsters inc 2.All done in a Cash cow way.God I hope not,I hope they give it the royal treatment,but will they?:shrug:

[rootdown]

Sounds like a bunch of gloom and doom nonsense if you ask me. As long as Pixar keeps making the amazing movies they are making, they will make tons of money. People will see the previews, hear the buzz, and go to the best movies.

no joke. the cream always rises to the top, Pixar have paid their dues, and to say that they are going to suffer because of their association with Disney makes about as much sense as saying that Dinosaur was wildly successful because of Disney's association with Pixar.

[Joe_H]

Well, I will say this. Disney was making classics decades before anyone ever heard of Pixar. Yes, Disney is in a rut, and maybe they should do new things rather than rehashing Pixar's work.

But there is one thing from that article that is complete BS!

The unproven graphics quality of Disney's work with computer-guided-image animationI'm sorry, but that's a complete load. Disney is just as good at computer animation as Pixar. Anyone ever seen Dinosaur, a different type of animation to be sure, but just as accomplished as anything Pixar's done, if not moreso. What about Tarzan and the CG work used in that. If Disney can do that level of CG animation, they can easily do a Pixar level of animation, which isn't intended to look real. Right now they just can match Pixar's writing and characterizations, because of the rut they're in.

[Nicodemus]

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I disagree. For example, Charles in Charge with Scott Baio doesn't have a negative impact on CBS anymore. It's over. Done. That's all in the past. Pixar will just have to treat all the property as dead, as they can't use any of the Toy Story, Incredible stuff anymore. So beit. It's much better continuing to develop new ideas, new stories and new characters. Dreamworks will milk everything out of the Shrek franchise, but that's all they got. I would be more worried about them.
Sorry but the Charles in Charge analogy does not hold water. That was one half hour show in seven twenty four hour days of programming. Toy Story and Toy Story 2 are films that put Pixar on the map and showed that it was not a fluke. This also represents 33 percent of their body of work (Feature Film wise) to date. I am sure the public is smart enough to know that it is disney making these sequals and will continue to appreciate Pixar as long as they put out good stuff. At the same time bad sequals could have som effect. It will be up to Pixar to minimize the impact that bad sequals would have by maintaining the reputation they have built and continuing to wow the crowds.

This is of course assuming that Disney manages to botch them completely. I have to admit.....I was not at all pleased when they first did the Buzz Lightyear cartoon but it is actually pretty good. Hopefully this will all be a moot point but for some reason I am still concerned (more about the quality of the sequals than for Pixar and how it may effect them).

~L~

[L.Rawlins]

'Disney was making classics decades before anyone ever heard of Pixar'....

Nobody is denying Disney its heritage, nor are we picking holes in their quality of animated work. It is in the lameass excuses for sequels to these inspiring works that makes the majority of us hesitant. And the fact that Disney has become ever more reliant upon them.

[worker_bee]

Well, I will say this. Disney was making classics decades before anyone ever heard of Pixar. Yes, Disney is in a rut, and maybe they should do new things rather than rehashing Pixar's work.

But there is one thing from that article that is complete BS!

I'm sorry, but that's a complete load. Disney is just as good at computer animation as Pixar. Anyone ever seen Dinosaur, a different type of animation to be sure, but just as accomplished as anything Pixar's done, if not moreso. What about Tarzan and the CG work used in that. If Disney can do that level of CG animation, they can easily do a Pixar level of animation, which isn't intended to look real. Right now they just can match Pixar's writing and characterizations, because of the rut they're in.
I would have to disagree. Do you know it took Disney 7 yrs to make Dino and with a simple supposedly cheap movie like Chicken Little they are having problems and will probably delay it. Then the movie after that is even more simple with tubes and spheres in Wilbur Robinson (that rollie pollie ollie look). Its taken Disney twice as long as Pixar or Dreamworks to even make a cg movie right now and theres are much simplier. I think it will be quite a few years for them to catch up.

[mark_wilkins]

Do you know it took Disney 7 yrs to make Dino
Having been at the center of much of that I can promise you that Disney Feature Animation has come a long way in the meantime.

Anyway, the place still has excellent character animators and access to first-rate talent in other areas, so don't discount their efforts too quickly.

-- Mark

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