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Erik Heyninck
10-20-2004, 08:07 PM
I've read that several people seem to find P8 slow. I tried to find where and how as this might influence my evt upgrade to 9, but up to now, the only thing that was slow was dynamic plugins, liquid metal with spacing set to minimum. Which, imo is understandable as the brush covers itself almost fully.

I'd appreciate it a lot if more experienced users than I could tell me the settings that make P8 slow in their opinion so I can test this out.

Up to now, P8 looks and feels quite good, so the temptation to upgrade is melting as snow in spring. Even more as I don't see much use for nifty effects. Painting as it is is more than complicated enough.
Which leads to my second question: can anyone point me to some images where those special effects are used (image hose, dynamic plugins, ...) Perhaps when I see them I may realise where I am too naive. (I'm not referring to pics with a butterfly brush or so s that won't convince me).

thanks.

o, btw: does no one ever post their works/wips here?
Is there a real active Painter forum somewhere?

rebo
10-20-2004, 08:52 PM
I found painter 9 to me much faster than 8 for the brushes i was using. But i guess its up to what individually you use.

I dont think WIPs are a good idea in here better to paste in the 2D WIP forum. Sure it may be good to illustrate a particular point, but general WIPs no.

As regards the activity here, well using another forum isnt going to help :P I quite like it here.

Jinbrown
10-20-2004, 09:40 PM
Hi,

Typical things that slow Painter 8 down are:

Too many days specified to Auto Save Scripts (Scripts library too large)

Too many Undo's specified

Pre-built Brush File too large

Extra large images

Many complex Layers

Extra large brush sizes

Complex brush variants, especially when the brush sizes are large

For more, see the Sticky thread at the top of this forum named Keeping Painter 6, Painter 7, and Painter 8 Running Smoothly.


There aren't any new Effects menu options that I can recall in Painter IX but in any Painter version, they're important for things like:

Applying surface texture to parts of, or all of, an image.

Applying lighting to parts of, or all of, an image

Controlling surface lighting (used with, for instance, Impasto painting)

Creating Paper textures

... and lots more that both non-painters and painters use frequently.


In Painter IX something that's very useful for any artist is the new ability to rotate, flip horizontal, or flip vertical.... the entire image, Layers, Shapes, and all... all at once.


Painter IX introduces the new Artists' Oils brushes/system that works with the Mixer palette so we can mix colors, use the new Mixer palette's multiple colors dropper tool to pick up colors, then paint with multiple colors on the brush.


In Painter IX we can customize keystrokes however we want, with lots more options and freedom than in any previous version.


If you haven't tried Painter IX, download the free 30 day trial version to see for yourself how it compares with Painter 8.

nafa
10-21-2004, 03:01 AM
IMO, if Painter 8 (or any software/tool) is not constraining your artistic expression, upgrading would be meaningless and wasteful. No harm in waiting for the time when you feel the need for its features.

I recalled many complaints about Painter 8 slowness when users tried to paint with big brushes (especially watercolr) to fill large areas. I have experienced very slow response in several sumi-e brushes, especially the thick blossom sumi-e (after Painter 8 has been running for hours).

Another Painter 8 complaint is that you cannot collapse layers unless they are all under the default composite mode. Painter 9 is supposed to allow that.

Erik Heyninck
10-21-2004, 01:16 PM
Thanks.
I am not against P9, far from that! But I only wanted to know where it broadens P8's limits.

I dl. the demo of 9, but right now I'm delving into P8's manual.

Thanks for explaining that the imageswips go to the 2D forum. I tend to forget the existence of those non-application forums.

mcarp
10-21-2004, 02:45 PM
My experience on OS X is that the most important speed/stability improvements deal with multiple layers and having two or more documents open at once.

In 8, I would usually need to start collapsing layers after I had maybe 3 or 4. I have a file right now that has 12 or 13 and Painter IX is still sailing along.

I am only now starting to experiment with liquid ink. It was so slow in 8 -- even on a top-of-the-line G5 -- that it wasn't worth the hassle.

delunchen
10-24-2004, 03:58 PM
so basically painter 9 is like a more speedy version of 8?
cause i dont really use other feature except painting on a canvas and using layers
What i dont like is the watercolour brush in 8 is damn freaking slow.

My system is p4 2.4ghz 1gb ram. is it slow for painter?
if g5 is still slow using Liquid ink......i cant imagine mine....

AbueroAllenstein
10-24-2004, 05:13 PM
Yeah... On my configuration, all other applications, including Photoshop runs much slower than painter. Comparing to them and judging the quality of it it is definetly helldamnfast!

DigArts
10-28-2004, 08:10 PM
can anyone point me to some images where those special effects are used (image hose, dynamic plugins, ...) Perhaps when I see them I may realise where I am too naive. (I'm not referring to pics with a butterfly brush or so s that won't convince me).

thanks.
You'll find some examples of what image hose nozzles can do here (http://www.gardenhose.com/). Or, you can access some individual images of 2D forest scenes (http://www.gardenhose.com/rainforest-1.htm) or foliage textures for 3D (http://www.gardenhose.com/tiletutr.htm) or simply for trees, from coconuts (http://www.gardenhose.com/cocodetail.htm) and date palms (http://www.gardenhose.com/medjool.htm) to the usual suspects (http://www.gardenhose.com/treeanimation.htm) including grains & grasses (http://www.gardenhose.com/grain-example1.htm).

http://www.gardenhose.com/tutorpics/pheasant_psp8.jpg


I make nozzle and pattern paints, so I'm kind of biased about the usefulness :) Hopefully, the images speak for themselves. There are a bunch of tutorials you can play with on the site. Small, demo versions of tools are included. There are some tree textures you can download too. Use the link below for those. Have fun.

Dennis@DigArts
http://www.gardenhose.com (http://www.gardenhose.com/)

Garma
10-30-2004, 03:21 PM
so basically painter 9 is like a more speedy version of 8?
cause i dont really use other feature except painting on a canvas and using layers
What i dont like is the watercolour brush in 8 is damn freaking slow.

My system is p4 2.4ghz 1gb ram. is it slow for painter?
if g5 is still slow using Liquid ink......i cant imagine mine....
that's right, 9 is definately faster than 8.. especially with oils and oil pastels. I didn't experience any problems with watercolours anymore either. I think your system will run p9 and even p8 just fine, but well, depends on your working resolution. Every computer is boing to bug with higher resolutions. I usually start out in 1024 and when I blocked in most things, I upres it to 4k

delunchen
11-01-2004, 01:43 PM
actually i dont have much problem with p8 EXCEPT the very complex and memory hungry brushes like watercolour types others.
I work usually like a4 300dpi or 4000x400 300dpi.

But watercolour brush produce some very interesting effects which i personally like much but is a pity i cant apply them in my prints except smaller web images.
So im just wonderly if the watercolour in the p9 is much faster by a large margin or only slightly faster.

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