Grand Space Opera 3D Entry: jan harcarik

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1098220752_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1098220752_large.jpg)

here is my rough 3d sketch of galactic warrior.

[oishikun]

Nice start. Do you have some concept sketches at all? It would be helpful to know where you're going with this. Well good luck to you, and keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1098301260_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1098301260_large.jpg)

Thanks. This bot is improvisation mostly, workin on it while figuring out overall sketch and composition. It is in my head but there is some problem with transfering it on paper :)

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1098401878_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1098401878_large.jpg)

finished rough scetch of bot. next step is detailing and polishing.

[HieSpike]

robots looking good, waiting for details and a sketch of the concept. That will probably be very important, what if you spend all this time modeling a robot and it doesn't work in the concept illustrations? Anyway, good luck.

[dark-elf2]

wow very nice start
is the final model going to be smoothed?

[turbinea]

THX Hie Spike, there is no concept for this bot yet, and i'm not sure if any will show up because i imagined it "on the fly". I'm now focusing on basic setup of scene so hopefuly i could avoid problems, thanx for hint.


Dark-elf2, it won't be smoothed if you mean meshsmooth used in boxmodeling. I plan use smoothing groups only, so i can achieve machinery feel from that character. Chest and thigh are smoothed that way, it is still without any detail but you see what i mean. There'll be another character (woman to be exact) and there i want use boxmodeling (and smoothinghttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif).

[Bael]

Interesting modeling style, almost looks like you're chipping away bits and pieces like working from stone.

Model is looking good - can't wait to see a concept sketch and find out what this guys all about! ;)

[Andrey_SE]

turbinea, before you polish the character be sure what your scene will look like. Is that bot is going to be on foreground? Is it really going to be on the picture? I mean, first think hardly about the scene scetch and then go to the details once you are satisfied with the composition as such.
That is my opinion. I also did the way you're doing now but then come lot of questions how to organize the scene nice way. You can discard my opinion if that bot is going to be for sure the main character of your scene.
And good luck!

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1098490670_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1098490670_large.jpg)

Hello guys, basic setup of scene is finally copmpleted and now you can see this character will be defintely on foreground (silvergreen figures). Also did small progress on Bot, all parts are smoothed now, next step are details. Background needs lot of work but you can see what I want to accomplish enviromentaly speaking. What you can't see there is heavy firefight between silvergreens and small Dots and Tanks and Planes in Distance. What do you think?

[turbinea]

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bot

[turbinea]

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No response? That's sad. Maybe this update showing some details on torso make you tell me what you think. :)

[turbinea]

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[turbinea]

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head is done, hand under construction

[skeb]

i thnk the robot is very nice and well moddeled
its gona look so cool at the end

[Peter C.]

It looks very promising. I like the style very much and I think it will turn out great when you start enhancing those details.

[HieSpike]

THe concept sketch for some reason reminds me of the silver hawks..don't ask why?! :) Looking good, and that robot better be like in the foreground! it's so detailed...good luck

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1099058422_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1099058422_large.jpg)

Thanx guys for your comments. Finished modeling on arms, now working on legs.

[turbinea]

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Legs are done.

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1099273664_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1099273664_large.jpg)

Hi there! Bot is finally completed. Creating UVW maps will be nightmare but it must be done. Maybe I take some rest from this character and will create some proper concept scetches. Anyway, C&C is welcome.

[PauGfx]

whooo! so much details i like it alot! :-)
how do you build this thing?
what kind of software do you use? would be nice to know more about the story.
and i wish you good look :-)

/P

[PauGfx]

one thing.. why didnt you fixed the UV map before you added all the details?
that would be much easier.

[turbinea]

PaulGfx you are right about UVs, but this bot was made as improvisation mostly (3ds max), so there wasn't any preparations or planing for this model. It is something like I'm buying some time to think about scene and story. Just doing model i'm sure it fits there. I know roughly what it have to be, but want to find best composition for this.

[Eratrioch]

Nice detail on the bot model . Looking forward to see how you will itegrate him in your concept .
Good luck !

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My thread : http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=179394

[turbinea]

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Started new model, nothing interesting right now, but i hope it will turn out nicely because it will be main character on the scene.

[turbinea]

BTW, did you see the Episode 3 teaser? I think it's f*****g amazing!!! :bounce:

[mr_carl]

Really like the bot, nice amout of detail. Waithing for some cool consepts to look at.

Carl.

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1099665648_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1099665648_large.jpg)

Finally got to the scanner and scanned main character and gun for robot.

[turbinea]

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small update

[Jaba153]

nice modellin' turby! keep goin'nice sketch too!

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1099776830_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1099776830_large.jpg)

thanx Jaba. Feedback always helps.

[turbinea]

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Spend day working on torso, assigned few simple colored materials. Just to see what it looks like. Not completely happy, but experiments with colors have to wait untill i finish modeling stage.

[mr_carl]

Nice detales on the boots!

Can´t really se so much of the torso so no coment on that yet.

Carl.

[turbinea]

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sorry mr_carl, forgot upload second pic.

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1099934229_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1099934229_large.jpg)

Here is close shot of chest and armor. it needs more edges for meshsmooth, but you can see what i wanted to do.

[PauGfx]

HI Jan! i se progress here too :-) nice nice nice, nothing much more to say, than
i am looking forward to se more of her face :-)

/Pau

[userBrian]

Nice figure, now THAT'S sci-fi. Concept can come anytime.:twisted:

my 3d GSO entry (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=179803)

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100033352_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100033352_large.jpg)

Thanx guys for comments.
>> PauGfx, face is scheduled for weekend because i want to pay speciall attention to it.
>>yes, userBrian, that's kind of SCIFI i like. :)

[victor throe]

i really like your robot

why are you building your characters in generic poses.

since this is a still, would it not be wiser to model the characters in the possition they will be seen in

not only would you be able to achieve a nicer feel for the deformations but you wouldnt waste so much time modelling details that wont be seen....

unless of course you are going to have multiples of the same character and you need to skin em

[turbinea]

victor throe, i agree with you it is wiser, but on the other side I plan to use multiple instancies of that robot in various poses so it needs biped or something. And it is my habit from creating game content.

[victor throe]

ah yes

and the same for the other character?

[turbinea]

i plan to show female character from front, maybe frontright :), so there is no need for details on back. i couldn't resist to do some details on her ass and legs :shrug: but i keep it simple. And still need to do rigging because i'm not sure about her pose.

[hhssuu]

Wow your design looks great and i love the detail in the model. Great sense of proportion too. Can't wait to see more of your stuff.:thumbsup:

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100202035_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100202035_large.jpg)

arm and powerglove is finished

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100202153_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100202153_large.jpg)

another shot

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100292839_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100292839_large.jpg)

worked on head this afternoon.

[Larsen]

Crazy, it seems that you're a talented modeler and you got an opportunity to show your skills but what about the idea and the environement, those characters are cool very high detailed, hope we could see a great work like that on the environement part, i'm looking forward :)

[turbinea]

thanx Cipher, you can see enviroment sketch here (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=1664771&postcount=11) . these characters are just placeholders for models. Grey are bots and red is female character i work on just now. i need to model guns for them before i move to enviroment modeling.

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100512129_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100512129_large.jpg)

i think the head is done. in fact whole figure is completed. hope you like it. Any C&C are appreciated.

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100537404_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100537404_large.jpg)

closeup

[turbinea]

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complete character

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100703330_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100703330_large.jpg)

this is just weaponry modeling test. maybe more advanced gun "systems" like lasers or particle guns fit better to these robots. what you think?

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100814490_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1100814490_large.jpg)

this is first textured parts of main character. it is hard to notice but face texture is based on face of sandra bullock. chest is not.

[stefgrafx]

really like the woman model, and his armor, but I don´t like too much the bullets of the soldiers gun´s, believe you could remove it, they look like blasters-guns... but, it´s your scene ;)

[azazel]

I think the head of the girl is too small compared to the rest of the body.

[turbinea]

>stefgrafx - these bullets is just idea or test - to achieve more military, violent feel, you know something like desperados or commandos. maybe some energy wires/pipes fits there better.

>azazel - head IS little bit smaller than normal, i used comic books proportion instead of real life. i want create some hair for her and if this problem still shows up in final composition i'll fix it, thanxs for help

thanx guys for comments

[turbinea]

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finally finished this one. C&C are welcome.

[hectic]

nasty !!! :drool:

I think she wouldn`t be so clean if she was wearing that rusty/used armour ... otherwise - very good texturing job

... also I`d like to see the texture or a screenshot of that armour`s mapping ... I`m really curious how you mapped such a complex object ...

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1101069634_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1101069634_large.jpg)

hectic, here is shot of uv's and bump map. creating uv for this armor was really nightmare because of its complexity, otherwise nothing new here. what was new to me i had to consider max's smoothing "feature" - if i leave some uvs disconnected it creates texture artifacts on smoothed faces. this is why is most of it as one piece except of back, wing and collar. if i could arrange them as i wanted to it would take much less space.

[jammin]

wow, nice job on the maps turbinea.

you used uvw unwrap?
it looks like it was a nightmare but i'm impressed how you pulled it off.

great models! -looking forward to seeing them in action

ben

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1101330028_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1101330028_large.jpg)

texturing progress on body, hope you like it. C&C is always appreciated.
>jammin, yes i did used max's uvw unwrap

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1101504847_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1101504847_large.jpg)

Last parts of this character are finished. Finally i should say, but there is no rest for sinners so next task is to texture robot.

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1101674947_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1101674947_large.jpg)

Done some hair tests. used this great tut (http://www.scriptspot.com/bobo/mxs5/pflow/pflow__Hairy_Teapot.htm) by Bobo.

[monsitj]

wow . your charactor detail is very amazing ! very good texture too! some point that i notice is woman hair is a little bit strange, maybe it's in the early stage ! keep going man! good luck

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1102028668_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1102028668_large.jpg)

testing some texutring. C&C is needed and appreciated.

[arturro]

Hello! Her textures are perfect. But I don't like everything about this tall guy:) ... I think that it should have some different colors. Maybe leave the light gold, and change darker one to some dark silver.... just thinking... but I think that you should do some tests with different colors. And I wouldn't change speculars and glossiness... for me they are good:thumbsup: If you're not sure about them, increase a little bit speculars...

[OZ]

Great textures,great models!One of the best thread all around here!Well done!Im amazed!
Cant'wait the final image!

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1102544908_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1102544908_large.jpg)

Changed color/texture scheme for this bot. I want to make them more dirty and battered. Still WIP but closer to my goal. Thanks guys for your generous and helping comments and your C&C is really appreciated.

[arturro]

Yeah!! much better:thumbsup: I like him very, veyr much:bounce:

good progress, keep it up!

[turbinea]

Thanx Arturro, it is based on your advice. Not exactly what you proposed but it led me here.
Thanx again you really helped me.

[SuperXCM]

Excellent work here!! I like the texture, excellent technique... it's looking cool!!:thumbsup:

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1102711944_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1102711944_large.jpg)

Hi guys, here is my latest scene sketch/setup. Background is just quick collage from various space shots. Now working on guns and stuff.
Hope you like it,and your comments are needed and appreciated more than ever. thanx guys.

[straightforward]

I would be careful with the way you setup the light here because the textures in the bots are kind of (plane) so you would need to show the wonderful modeling with a lot of contrast to make the scene interesting. With those bots in first plane of the composition I think it would be very important not to lose the detail that you modeled so well.

We work in a very similar way because I don't use reference pictures to make my models, most of the time i make them like sculpting.

My best wishes for you.

[turbinea]

thanx Straightforward, I'll consider your advices and try to do my best. thanx.

[monsitj]

your texturing and modeling skill are awesome! but i think your overall composition look too busy! maybe u can focus on something , great work ,
good luck

[CreatorBox]

I have to agree with monsitj , you got great modeling and texturing skill. There is an Unreal meets Halo atmosphere to it, nice. One critc tho, the scene does seem a bit crowded, I feel like they are shooting at their teammates :P

[Dark_Drako]

Wow that last pic looks awsome. If I hadn't known it was 3D I would have said those figurines looked awsome :). Kinda of chaotic right now.

[stefgrafx]

your models look really greats... but the composing of the image look like confused... I don´t anderstand very well where are situed the soldiers... etc... but I think it´s only a quick composing...

[markovicd]

very nice girl!

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1103382901_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1103382901_large.jpg)

Thanx guys for your useful comments! I always had in mind that robots are standing on some hill above attacking army, but didn't realized that I'm only one person who actually can see it. Here si updated version where few robots left the scene and whole scenario is hopefuly easier to read.

[Agostinuke]

Hi Turbinea, great modeliling and texturing. The girl looks really cool to me.

Sorry, i don't see the hill. I see a scene located on a corner of a spaceship passage conducting to the main deck.
There are enemies on the right that we don't see and other enemies in the background coming up along some kind of bridge? So the bots are trying to protect the girl...maybe 2-3 bots firing to the right and the others firing straight to the background, with the girl trying to hide between some architetural element in a dramatical pose like she's full of anger and fear?

[turbinea]

Thanx Ago-stino for comment. I'm sorry if i confused you, i said hill but what i really meant was some higher point where they made a stand. There also some missing elements like additional soldiers climbing on that stand (and being shot by robots). Girl is protected by these bots but i want her in some commanding position (pointing on some target or so). It is hard to explain what i want to put there, maybe next update will clear up something.

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1104012868_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1104012868_large.jpg)

merry christmas to all! here is my WIP update on environment. is't mess right now, but that's why i call it wip. anyway, C&C are needed and apreciated.
thanks guys!

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1104382879_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1104382879_large.jpg)

here is quick setup of what i want to achieve. many elements are still missing but workin on it. maybe this time few of you guys could tell me what you think and help me to finish it. thanx :)

[Dark_Drako]

I really like the way the lighting is, but it takes away detail from the rest of the scene. It also makes viewing some elements a dificalt task, trying to make them out through the lighting.

[patina]

Hi turbinea]

I wish I was at the lighting stage now, It has a heavy theme, but I love the epic feel to it
a powerful war, I liked your first renders though, I think it might be important to seperate the characters in the foreground to highlight them more.
only my opinion, and to see more of the space and planets in the background, to feel the invasion coming,

nice 3d work!

check my link

Paolo Patina


http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/grandspaceopera/view_entries.php?challenger=5288

[DigitalOmega]

hello! well, i saw you rendering and it is very good, but i think you have a little problem, and the same happens with me: we have so many elements, and we like them all! and then we want them to be visible in the final rendering, but the problem here i think is that it looks a little overcrowded, so i guess you have to work harder on the lighting, first light your characters, and let the bg be darker, i dont know about the big light in the bg, try to place the planets there, and bring more attention to the characters..

well that`s what i think, but its up to you..
good luck!!

[turbinea]

thanx guys for advice, i'll fix that lightning (i hope) and remove some elements from scene.

[patina]

Hi turbinea

Thanks for reply, Its not textured yet, and its not a real gun only a prop in the final image,
but I understand what your saying, anway Im hoping It all comes together in the final picture!
theres a certain look Im trying to achieve with the final print.

all the best

Patina!



i like your gun design but i see some problem with texture. gun apears to me like carved from one piece of metal, it isn't convincing. weapons are asembled from parts and that parts should be visible on texture - seams and stuff. anyway, design looks promising so - good luck.

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105093761_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105093761_large.jpg)

thanx guys for comments, this is somehow cleared version, but there is lot of elements missing and/or not rendered properly - enemies are hard to notice, their guns missing and so on... anyway i need your comments about this version. thanx

[PeterSanitra]

No nazdar SLOVANE!!!, som si nevsimol ze tu ficis. Ale som rad, pretoze ti to zatial ide velmi dobre.
Mam par poznamok, snad pomozu.

1.Celkovo je to zatial nejake velmi komplikovane, vela veci sa deje a oko na prvy pohlad nevie co si ma vsimat.
2. Skus viac zvyraznit postavicky aby sa dokazalo rozlisit kde ktora zacina a konci, napriklad trochu iny otien armoru, faberne znacky na nich atd.
3. Zena je fajn, lenze v tomto renderi ti nejak nevysla, ma nejaku smuhu na tvary. A hlavne nema ziadnu dynamicku pozu!!musi zit...a bojovat, velit, zomierat, cokolvek co uputa!!
4. ta raketa co vylieta z raketaku ma zle rozmazany dym. a leti pod zlym uhlom.
5. pozadie je ok.

Ale colkovo velmi dobre. Som rad ze mam taku krajansku konkurenciu..
BTW: ako sa naozaj volas a aky nick mas na slovenskych forach?

a nezabudni mrknut na moj thread:-)

[Tranchefeux]

Hi,
I discover your image, which control 3d, environment is super and
the composition well considering, just to suggest you adding the solid
drop shadow which misses because the robots make a little assemblies
and on the fire of the weapons not to be so white, perhaps but you did
not finish yet, and good luck for the continuation.

[Matroskin]

Fascinating! Really complex composition.
But considering it there is some things I want to suggest. Female character seems to be TOO static. As for me she could give commands with strong expression and screaming (she is their commander isn't she? :)
Once I've seen an illustration from Warhummer episodes which I'd call "last man standing" where soldiers were covering their commander who was holding the flag.
Your spacemarines also could cover her more tight (some are standing - closer to "center";others sitting/lying - in "outer radius"). Despite they are bots I think they should also express more motion/emotion - fear, heroic defence, lost hope, self sacrifising in a name of somethig great...bla-bla-bla (we can imagine that they have extraordinary AI so they could be treated like being alive :).
Actually I've not read all the commets but I hope mine are not dublicates of previous ones.
Good creations!

my Space Opera page>> (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?postid=1779103#post1779103)

[turbinea]

>nazvar Darkone2652, tiez ma nenapadlo pozriet odkial si ked som pozeral tvoje artworky. co sa tyka pripomienok, dik moc, co budem vediet zapracujem co nie dako obidem. mnohe z toho je uz v priprave len este nie pripravene na post. ale aj tak dik
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> Tranchefeux thanx for suggestion, shadow (and som light) may be the way to separate bots from enviroment. these shotsfires aren't finished so i consider your suggestion.

>Deryk, warhammer is my strong source of inspiration in this challenge. It is true Epic universe. Others may be more scifi, original or more whatever but w40k is most epic i ever seen. Female character is waiting for correct rig and then i pose her (finally). She is in fact reason of that explosion so i want her show that, i mean something like she is casting a spell. In my mind, I have short story about String Empire and Last StarBurner, and that helps me to tell this pic. I tried to pack robots closer but there was problem with reading what parts belongs to who, but some expressins throgh poses may work.

Thanx guys for comments you helped me a lot!

[BikiniBottom]

amazing action. love the chars. very good composition

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105322474_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105322474_large.jpg)

added more enemies, fire and bullettraces. while it is not final rendering i think this counts as posteffects and composting (which should be done AFTER final rendering). i want to add planets and ships, and mechs and fix few things i see and few i don't. empty shells are done in photoshop and will be replaced with serious geometry. but not today. i'm dead. really. byee

[ered dium]

Wow, the fire and enemies looks great. In my opinion if you add the spaceships, the planet, etc. maybe your image will look too full but I don't know.
Very cool image :scream:



Grand Space Opera (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=180121) - Leo Calv

[stefuse]

nice compo and details

but .....details : characters are not detaching from each others !
find something to make the compo more clear to observe !

without this ....:thumbsup:


stefuse

french jedi

[azazel]

Pose of the girl does not fit the rest - is very static and boring. Something more dynamic would be better. I guess she is the leader of that robot squad, maybe make her look like she's ordering them to attack or at least give her some weapon to fire. Other thing, some orange rim light coming from the gunfire could nicely separate at least the few foreground robots.

[neble]

Now this is a lot of detail, looks great. Kinda reminds me of some of the older Heavy Metal mag covers. Could probably loose the four blobby ship things sitting above the pile of troopers, wouldn't even notice they were gone and would help with the eye flow.

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105490676_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105490676_large.jpg)

here is scene with updated lightning, girl has new pose and some raybeams. i'm not completely sure about these raybeams. maybe problem is that pose doesn't reflect using that beams properly. i fix it tommorow, after short collapse (formerly known as sleep). in meantime you could tell me about presence of these beams. should i keep it or remove it and put there something else instead?

[PeterSanitra]

NO, dobre si to namakal stym ohnom. Len ten lavy luc mi tam fakt nesedi.
Ale si naozaj vazna konkurencia. Musim pridat. Xel som aj ja ist kolabovat, ale ked ty takto;-)
Hned startujem maxa a photoshop.

[Spankster]

thats awsome, but I do agree that her pose is a little unnatural looking, real nice though

[rattlesnake]

How i missed this one...looks really nice man! very good job!:thumbsup:

[jarvetu]

Amazing, I wish had even half of your skills! I have no crits whatsoever about this. I would give awards to this one :applause:

-Tuomas

Comments needed here... (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=180808)

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105575592_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105575592_large.jpg)

thanx guys for positive comments. it keeps me from falling apart. here is updated scene. only major change is firefx in girl's hands instead of blue lasers. what you think? which way is better - fire or laser?

[mistermac]

Hadn't looked in on this for a wee bit and I'm glad to see you've toned down the background and taken some elements out, so please don't go adding any more ships, planets, etc :) - the foreground grabs your attention much better now without the eye wandering.

I agree about the girl, she is a bit unconcerned looking, maybe if you turn her head and tilt it a little so she is more in profile and looks like she is looking down her arm and focusing on her firing it might giver her more agression?

Looking good though, hope these comments help you and good luck :)

[emonimo]

Wow! what an amazing progress have you make here Jan, I like your image a lot, it has a great space opera felling .... I have just one little crit: in my honest opinion, the sunlight is to bright, and we cannot see the background of the scene very good ...... just my opinion ....
Good luck man, I'll look foward to your great work ....

[jdsb]

wow,this most definitely has that grand space opera feeling .A sense of scale,color,perspective and motion and not the "too many characters,ships will make it look amazing " look ;):wip::)
I think you have delivered ,which is more important than a fan base or too many replies trend or lets be gay trend one can see everywhere.
good luck
regards

[vrf]

love the modeling and concept. However, it's difficult to visually separate the soldiers. They kind of all blend together. Your composition should be very strong, even if you squint. (The more traditional rule is that your character compositions should work if seen only in profile.)

Anyhow, one way to fix this might be to use photoshop to slightly alter the colors of each soldier. That way you have a better chance at visually separating them.

Vance

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105661582_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105661582_large.jpg)

thanx for comments and heplful hints. here is next update: girl has hair now and is looking down at enemies (yes mistermac, it was heplful, thanx). bots are more separated by lightning. emonimo, unfortunately that sunlight stays as it is now, i'm sorry but it has to be that way. less light means more contrast background and therefore less focus on front group.

[cgkrusty]

That's feeling a lot better. You're getting more separation of the chracters and your lighting is working really well now. I love the addition of magical powers to the female character, helps to pull her out as well.

The flames are a nice addition... this looks like a heck of a battle!

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105822496_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105822496_large.jpg)

almost final image. few tweaks here and here but mostly minor things. if you can help me , help me now plz. time is really running out. thanx guys

[PeterSanitra]

Ked mam pravdu povedat, tak je to velmi dobre, nejake velke chyby nevidim. Uz teda len cakat ako to zabere na porotu. Btw:mrkni na moju, prave som updatol.

[taavi]

No Crit! Excellent pic :)!!!

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105832561_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105832561_large.jpg)

this is it. hope you like it.
i want to thank to all people ho commented and helped me. this challenge was truly something.

[userBrian]

Yes, I like it a lot. Most intense battle scene award.:buttrock:And a great girl.

[MDN67]

Great pic, with more details, the mech are particulary good is an action pic, very great work i like it good luck

[arturro]

and that is what I call a battle scene:) my congratulations!

[Squibbit]

AAARRGH ! that's one great battle scene ! :thumbsup:

[turbinea]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105907471_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4203/4203_1105907471_large.jpg)

This is my last update. Thanx guys for comments, you helped me a lot. challenge like this is exhausting but wonderful experience for me and major booster in my skills. i wish good luck to everyone who entered this contest.
Turbinea out.

[markovicd]

congratz mate CRAZy massive picture! Awsome!

[Agostinuke]

Turbinea,

Congratulations..I'm shocked....amazing!

ago-stino

[KOryH]

Hey JAn,
Very cool image. It looks like a great illustration, and that is a good thing.
I enjoy the colors and composition.
The only thing I find a little funny is the poor girl with no armor.

otherwise great work.

[AirbORn]

Amazing!!! I can't explain how wonderful it looks. Great detail, sense of action, and visuals. Congratulations on finishing your entry, Good luck! :)

[angel]

nice battle! very cool pic, congrats!

[Alladin]

Splendid modeling and FX!!!:thumbsup:
Cool image!

[pseudonympending]

That reminds me of the box art on a pack of Warhammer 40000 Space Marines from years ago... only better!

Great stuff.

[willbrown]

This is awesome. My pick for Grand Prize for sure. Great Job! :bounce:

[turbinea]

Thanx guys for your generous comment. It's nice to see my work is not so bad as i thought occasionally in past few months. I want to thank again to all who helped me with useful comments and kind words. Many thanx to Mibus who fixed my screwed upload.
And best luck to all contestants.

[SOuLjA`-]

WOW! realy nice final image!!! :eek:
and great girl model :twisted:

:thumbsup:

[sumawut]

HEY DUDE.........

very great this piece.
I like it.
good LOOK...........
good luck............

[jddog]

Impressive battle scene... and anothe thread that I miss until now... tubinea really congrats for this scene... is amazing :eek: + :applause:

jdd

[arturro]

hi there my south neighbour! I see that you have a real hell there as well as I. I like this sort of confusion when the eyes cannon rest:) Good luck!

[JRBRAZ]

Very good work. My favorite one.

[SUN]

:thumbsup: Great work:thumbsup:
Very massive robots (fantastic texturing on robot)

[Philipstudios]

Very good approach for the theme of the contest !
I like everything - composition, characters, motion, and the flames ! I like how you did the compositing.

[Aethyrprime]

Great job. I only wish for more distinctly different objects in the scene. You did a fantastic job on what you did detail. Good luck in the finals.

[theuni]

Hi,
just wanted to let you know that I voted for your image :bowdown:
Greate action capture shot !

[Kragh]

Have voted for the picture, had not seen your entry before. This is just awesome...

[cgg]

very nice pic, i like it , you got my vote :thumbsup:

[element5]

This is an awesome image, you must be proud of the final result....definately a front page image. Great colour, great composition......:applause: Goodluck you have my vote.

[warthog]

Women in battle are awsome. I think you could smooth out some o the faraway objects.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[turbinea]

many thanks guys for your comments. i've been out for few days (sorry for late reply:shrug: ), and i see voting has begun. good luck to all contestants. we're gonna need it. and thanx for your votes!:scream:

[cgkrusty]

Congrats man... awesome job!

[ebrowning]

Congratulations! You're probably still resting from that one!

[turbinea]

Thanx guys, really apreciated ... :)

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