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Lemog
12-30-2004, 06:48 AM
yes... action ! Dim... you're the best... but chhhhhhhhht... run man :bounce:

theuni
12-30-2004, 07:18 AM
Hi Dimi,

nice update! Like the family look :applause:

DimitrisLiatsos
12-30-2004, 07:47 AM
@ yunisirees ... hey thanks friend, glad u like them


@ ace4016 ... hahah..yes he is a little bit bigger than the Isbur guys....:)

@ jfelrod1960 ...hahah..Bumba Tank will be ready today along with the hand gun i have made .:)


@ Denman...hahahha..glad u like them friend.....about shadow...if u notice this render...

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104356454_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104356454_large.jpg)


...u will see that shadows are ok...i can't give any other explanation than that something went wrong on the shaded render...thanks friend....


@ uwil ....:thumbsup: :bounce:

@ Dennik ... thanks man...Kali Xronia na exeis!

@ Kragh ... thanks friend..:bounce:


@ Climax ... hahah...thanks man..i am going to bring the action now ....:bounce:

@ Lemog ...thanks my dear friend....yes now it starts to come to an end...Day by day until the end of next week i will have the Final image readyand i will leave the last week for tuning up ...i think tthe updates will be very fast now .

@ theuni ...:) ....thanks friend

stefgrafx
12-30-2004, 08:00 AM
greats models and great textures... wait to see the final compo... :applause:

DimitrisLiatsos
12-30-2004, 08:11 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104394302_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104394302_large.jpg)

A ..Boom-particle fx- element ..which willhave many uses as i am planning..this is also the reason i am posting this as a Post Effect....
made with Hypervoxels in Lightwave 8..

just to start getting an idea of the compositing effects.....(thanks God for Photoshop also there ....it will have the final word in all this)


hope u like it

DimitrisLiatsos
12-30-2004, 08:12 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104394378_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104394378_large.jpg)

A ..Boom-particle fx- element ..which willhave many uses as i am planning..this is also the reason i am posting this as a Post Effect....
made with Hypervoxels in Lightwave 8..

just to start getting an idea of the compositing effects.....(thanks God for Photoshop also there ....it will have the final word in all this)


hope u like it

jfelrod1960
12-30-2004, 08:49 AM
Post effects and compositing ... must be heading into the final stages. :) I can't wait! :thumbsup:

terraarc
12-30-2004, 09:53 AM
The Fighter set is super Dim! :thumbsup: Nothin to crit at all...I like the pants additional greebling on the alien....:thumbsup:

Waiting for some "3-2-1- camera, lights, FX and....action!" staff....:)

flyingP
12-30-2004, 10:00 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104356454_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104356454_large.jpg)

you really need to rig those hands :)

Lemog
12-30-2004, 10:21 AM
you really need to rig those hands :)Do you really think that ??? no man... you know... that kind of fighters always have hands like that... :banghead: :banghead: But how can I drink my beer then... ? :sad:

sorry... I'm a bit tired... -> :D

flyingP
12-30-2004, 10:27 AM
But how can I drink my beer then... ? :sad:

with a straw :wise:

DimitrisLiatsos
12-30-2004, 01:29 PM
@ Piggy :argh: ...hahahahah..Hands are already rigged ...i was just boring to do that for those renders...in any render with the guys here in i will have the hands closed or in any apropriate angle and pose..hahahahah...thanks man :bounce: :thumbsup:

@ Crazy Frenchy...hahahahahahahahah.... :banghead: :scream: :scream:

@ terraarc...patrida..Greco Nut.... :bounce: ..it's coming now ....day by day i am coming to the end of this ...unfortunately...'cuase i really am having a lot of fun with this and with the guys here in cgtalk...damn....why everything should have an end.....? :banghead: :cry:

theuni
12-30-2004, 02:47 PM
Hi Dimi,

can`t wait to see what you`re going to conjure with this post effect... :drool:
Is Hypervoxel a plugin for Lightwave or just a particel system in the main prog?

monsitj
12-30-2004, 03:14 PM
wow hypervoxel is cool , but why don't u use fluid effects in maya??

lotaH
12-30-2004, 03:20 PM
excellent models, but the legs (mainly of the greater) are not very feminine?

Good luck!

[]'s

DimitrisLiatsos
12-30-2004, 04:12 PM
@ theuni ...Hypervoxel is part of LW...not and extra plugin :)

@ monsitj ...U are right i could go with FLUIDS in Maya...but i own a license of Maya Complete and not Unlimited :argh: ..that's the main reason...i have Unlimited only at the studio i work for and these days i am on holidays vacation..and even when i am there i don't have much time to work on my stuff... :sad: ...so basically all the explosions and particle effects i will have in my final will be Maya Software rendered particle systems, Hypervoxels from LW and Real time particle effects from a program we have at wotk called Illusion :) (..this one is a real time saver :bounce: )

@ lotaH ...maybe they look a bit 'cuase of the fluid muscle lines..but i am against making a beast leg design just becuase it has a beast face....i don't think that there is a strict rule for this.... :) hahahahahah ( i should be a Lawyer..hahahah)...but i am saving i think..the situation in texturing of those ..."cute" legs... :D

DimitrisLiatsos
12-30-2004, 04:38 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104424716_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104424716_large.jpg)

>..the Grana Bumba Tank...textured...i don't think i will take more time with it 'cuase it's not going to be that big in final image ..it 'll be more a background element i think...

hope u like it

C&C are always welcomed.

Squibbit
12-30-2004, 04:56 PM
...now that looks nasty!

Denman
12-30-2004, 05:20 PM
dimitris... this is stunning... awesome ! (like always)
keep them updates comming mate !

niki
12-30-2004, 05:28 PM
great work ! I like the fighters

jfelrod1960
12-30-2004, 05:37 PM
And this year's Oscar for CG Artistry goes to Dimitris Liatsos, for the CG Feature Film "The Fall of Kaheldar". :bowdown:

I don't know what your outcome will be for this contest, but you damn sure have produced an award winning piece of CG artwork.

:thumbsup:

notavailable
12-30-2004, 05:57 PM
Nice vehicle man. Nice texturing. Only thing missing the texture for the huge tires...
looking good. i thing you'll end up rendering peaces and putting them back together in photoshop, cos i don't think even 4 gigs of RAM will get even a couple of those babies with the cool fighters you made and the sparrow and stuff...

anyways good work, keep it up waiting to see it finished

wish i had more time for the GSO

bye for a sec

flyingP
12-30-2004, 06:15 PM
@ Piggy....in any render with the guys here in i will have the hands closed or in any apropriate angle and pose..hahahahah...thanks man :bounce: :thumbsup:

and holding a beer please :bounce:

DimitrisLiatsos
12-30-2004, 06:24 PM
Nice vehicle man. Nice texturing. Only thing missing the texture for the huge tires...
looking good. i thing you'll end up rendering peaces and putting them back together in photoshop, cos i don't think even 4 gigs of RAM will get even a couple of those babies with the cool fighters you made and the sparrow and stuff...

anyways good work, keep it up waiting to see it finished

wish i had more time for the GSO

bye for a sec


Hahaha ...wheels are left like that 'cuase nothing of their texture is visible where the tank will be except coloring of tires...and ...actually my Dual G5 (with 3 GIGS ram) handles ALL the models together for render in the scene in 3000 x 4000 pixels Mental Ray render...just tested.... :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: ..weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :bounce:


@ piggy ...with beer ....ok!!!

@ jfelrod1960, niki, Denman .....thanks guys...really thanks! :bounce:

ihamid
12-30-2004, 06:26 PM
i think its too detailed even if its in the background :eek:! WOW brilliant tank ! i like it :bounce:

YasushAzush
12-30-2004, 07:06 PM
it has all ready details.:applause:

GaNNEl
12-30-2004, 08:17 PM
As usual ----> OMG :eek::eek::eek:!!! Just amazing, no words on my mouth now... --**Shocked**--

DimitrisLiatsos
12-30-2004, 09:42 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104442947_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104442947_large.jpg)

..first layer of explosion on Bridge..very simple setup..but it will do the trick i think...the "starts" of tails are not yet rendered nad also there will be 2 more layers in inner explosion just to give richer texture and volume to the effect...

C&C are welcomed.

DimitrisLiatsos
12-30-2004, 09:44 PM
Thank u guys for all the good words...really motivating :bounce:

Kragh
12-30-2004, 10:00 PM
That will do the trick, I think so too. Great update, keep it up

Versiden
12-30-2004, 10:25 PM
the tank textures look awesome!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

interesting info on the explosion technique..as you say it's not final.. but it looks very promising for lots of eye candy..

best wishes for the new year..
Martin

lukep
12-30-2004, 11:07 PM
cant wait to see this finished.

I refrained so far to post each day "Wooh" comments without having something meaningfull to add, but the fighters, the tank and now the explosions are incredible !

:applause: :applause:

DimitrisLiatsos
12-31-2004, 01:05 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104455155_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104455155_large.jpg)

....progress on Bridge explosion....


C&C are welcomed.

DimitrisLiatsos
12-31-2004, 01:11 AM
@ Kragh ... :bounce: ...thanks man..tell me... it's u on the avatar? ..after a hangover or after a fight? :bounce:

@ Versiden ...thanks friend..your texturing and clean work kicks butt :thumbsup:
Happy new year to u too! :bounce:

@ lukep ... :bounce: :beer: :beer: ...i still remeber u know all the interesting research u put me through with the bridge...thanks man!

DimitrisLiatsos
12-31-2004, 01:56 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104458195_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104458195_large.jpg)

...Just an experiment on tilted horizon and also trying to put the clouds to tell and also help the story telling of image ..(the concentration on that center is for a reason..hiihihi)...

Comments and crits are most welomed...


HAPPY NEW YEAR i wish to everyone ..i hope the year to come will bring happiness and joy to people..i think we all need it !

Cheers

leyfer
12-31-2004, 02:46 AM
Great work Dimitris!

YasushAzush
12-31-2004, 05:47 AM
perfect explotion.....dimit is that the angle where you finla is shown....happy new year with a lot of challenge and work to do .....:love:

Climax
12-31-2004, 06:00 AM
Hi Dim! Very Nice words from you, I wish you as well a very happy and wonderfull new year!

Explotion looks very good, but it would be great to see the bridge breaking appart ( Half Challenge building it to destroyit at the end :p :buttrock: ) Of course it is just a suggestion :D

Sky looks super, but I can't crit until see some foreground

Dim, I wish you the best, and hope you have a beautifull end of year party with your friends and your Family!:beer: :wavey: See you soon mate! ( maybe next year? :D )

DimitrisLiatsos
12-31-2004, 09:02 AM
Thanks guys...Happy New Year ...with more Parties and fun!
:bounce: :bounce: :argh: :beer: :beer: :argh: :bounce:

Virtuoso
12-31-2004, 09:03 AM
Dimi........................Happy,happy New year to you and your loved ones......Now take at least a 6 hour break from your work/art,and party hard,but safe.......Take care,see you soon......:beer: :beer:

Kragh
12-31-2004, 09:13 AM
Yeah, its me, but really dont remember the reason for looking like that, 3-4 years old picture, found it by accident on a cd-rom, and thought people should know who is commenting their work. Hope people still takes me seriously...:)(?)

About the latest submission, I think you need some more defined color borders(if you get what I mean). Its a little blurry all over. I, myself, have found some explosion references on the net, to sort of learn the nature of an explosion. And even though they look very different from one another, they have some similarities too(too hard to explain it here, but you should try look some pictures up. If already done, then never mind.) Your picture has two stages of an explosion in one event. The middle of the explosion seems to look like being later than the trails, which shows that this has just gone off. hehehehe, I really hope you get my point, just not that good to english:)

Anyways, keep it up.

Lemog
12-31-2004, 09:30 AM
Eutichismenos o kainourgios chronos 2005 my greeks friend... for you, for your family, for your friends... :bounce:


http://lemog.free.fr/GSO/bonus/hny2005_ban.jpg

notavailable
12-31-2004, 02:41 PM
Hi Dim,

The battlefield looks great, although i don't know how many vehicles and characters you will be able to fit in the images their all massive...

Have a Happy New Year man

Kali protoxronia kai kalo 3d

DimitrisLiatsos
12-31-2004, 04:20 PM
@ Virtuoso ..thank u Michael..happy new year to u too and to your loved ones :)

@ Kragh ... about your avatar. Thanks for sharing...it's a cool pic even if don't remember..:). About both renders..(explosion and Battlefield..they are a bit blurry 'cuase they are simple Maya render in medium quality and with a defualt light...as far as the explosion goes..if i can't achieve the final result only with 3d ...compositing will close the case ..hahahaha..i hope :argh:..:D....Happy New year man!

@ Lemog ...my friend u wrote that in PERFECT Greek....:thumbsup:...yeah. Happy new year to u too my crazy Frenchy :bounce:


@ kotsos ... Don't worry friend i am still experimentig with camera angle and kind od View...but in any case i will use as much vehicles and characters and effects i can BUT always with keeping in mind not to make a fuzzy image..i want things to have the tension of Battle but also i want it not to be ..too much for eye...:)

Happy new Year and ..oti potheis na to patheis ! :bounce:

markovicd
12-31-2004, 04:23 PM
happy new year dimi!

DimitrisLiatsos
12-31-2004, 04:52 PM
Hahahah..u are too many ...i tried to write to everyones thread but hahahah..i am too old hhahaa...so from mine ....one last time

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL and I HOPE THE NEW YEAR TO BRING HAPPINESS AND GOOD HEALTH...and more fun to ALL OF U! :bounce:


Bubble now goes to get drunk...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:bounce:

shiela_G
12-31-2004, 06:03 PM
hi Dimitris,

very cool update. those test are looking great. keep up and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

DimitrisLiatsos
12-31-2004, 07:14 PM
Sheila...lady ...u have great smile ...happy new year to u 2 ! :)

shiela_G
12-31-2004, 07:18 PM
tnx. i hate that smile. just flooding the thread...if you don't mind. gooooooooooooooooood luck!:)

ace4016
12-31-2004, 07:27 PM
Happy new years Dim

Aethyrprime
12-31-2004, 09:18 PM
Happy new year Dimitris. Great work. I am unfamiliar with Maya, what did you do to create those explosions... I am still painting mine. :(

rattlesnake
12-31-2004, 09:46 PM
Hey Dimi ...Very special and happy new year friend...keep rocking on your art man!:bounce::thumbsup: have a Nuts 2005!!

YasushAzush
12-31-2004, 10:02 PM
Happy new year dimit wish you the best year:thumbsup:

Saschi0815
01-01-2005, 03:07 PM
:) :wavey:HAPPY NEW YEAR, greek CG-Master. Wish u all da best to u and your loved ones:beer:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-01-2005, 03:46 PM
Happy new year friends...i most thank u for your wishes.... :bounce: :bounce:

Squibbit
01-01-2005, 04:10 PM
happy new year to u too , dude!

terraarc
01-01-2005, 11:02 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR!! :bounce:

Na ta poyme? :applause:

"Arximhnia ki arxh xronia...."(an kai einai hdh 2 tou mhnos...)

Best of wishes and heavy successes on the new year!:thumbsup:

jkentro
01-02-2005, 01:07 AM
Xronia polla Liats-Man!

keetmun
01-02-2005, 03:19 AM
Happy New Year, I'm just watching quietly from here! :buttrock: :beer:

linda
01-02-2005, 01:31 PM
Dimitris my friend for you i wish the very very best for the NEW YEAR with anything you hope for. Kai prota apo olla Ygeia!

DimitrisLiatsos
01-02-2005, 06:49 PM
@ Linda, keetmun, jkentro, terraarc, Squibbit ...thank u friends....happy new year.


I am back so ...let's finish this :bounce: :wip: :bounce:

Xtronik
01-03-2005, 12:58 PM
Happy New Year Dim

DimitrisLiatsos
01-03-2005, 02:17 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104761853_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104761853_large.jpg)

...surprise ...Isbur Guard GUN...remember the scar on Grana Merc's Face ..this is where it came from...heheheh...

hope u like it ...

DimitrisLiatsos
01-03-2005, 02:22 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104762144_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104762144_large.jpg)

...and a better view of it...

Xtronik
01-03-2005, 02:23 PM
.....and this goes.....?

.....where?

DimitrisLiatsos
01-03-2005, 02:24 PM
.....and this goes.....?

.....where?

...lol.....Isbur Guard wears this on his arm.....:bounce:

YasushAzush
01-03-2005, 02:47 PM
Lets see That Where It Gose.....:thumbsup:

Lemog
01-03-2005, 02:53 PM
Scalpel guns ? original :thumbsup:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-03-2005, 03:45 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104767108_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104767108_large.jpg)

...i think i finished modeling on this....

Now i think Final Composition starts..

C&C are welcomed..

monsitj
01-03-2005, 03:49 PM
wow! your thread update every minute:thumbsup: , can't wait to see your final composite! and
many many thanks for your comments in my theread , its help me a lot!

flyingP
01-03-2005, 03:52 PM
...surprise ...Isbur Guard GUN...remember the scar on Grana Merc's Face ..this is where it came from...heheheh...


wouldn't that have left two scars though :curious:

Denman
01-03-2005, 04:07 PM
looks great sofar....
i'm waiting to see it on the model !

d-tox
01-03-2005, 04:54 PM
Looks great:thumbsup:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-03-2005, 05:40 PM
wouldn't that have left two scars though :curious:
....hmmmm it could but it didn't .. :scream: :scream: :scream: ...ok ok i 'll see if i can put the second scar on... :p :bounce:


@ monsitj ..hey friend...happy new year... :bounce:


@ Denman, d-tox ... thanks guys :bounce:

flyingP
01-03-2005, 05:48 PM
....hmmmm it could but it didn't .. :scream: :scream: :scream: ...ok ok i 'll see if i can put the second scar on... :p :bounce:


or just cut off an ear or something :D

jfelrod1960
01-03-2005, 06:01 PM
LOL @ flyingP!!!

arturro
01-03-2005, 07:50 PM
I'm not sure what to say. I was apsent for a few days, and you have finished the handsome guy, the ugly guy, then you have cut his face, and make the weapon which was used to make the scar. I think that you are trying to be a nut as our French nut. Slow down a bit:):)
But seriously everything goes perfect. But in my opinion this weapon looks too brutal for the handsome guy. It looks more like a Grana Merc's gun. But probably it will look good as an Isbur Guard GUN.

GaNNEl
01-04-2005, 12:51 AM
WOW! That gun rocks! :buttrock: Can't wait to see someone hanging from those two blades :twisted: !

Climax
01-04-2005, 02:49 AM
Dim! stop posting, you are making me feel like shit :scream: :cry:
hahahahahaha, just kidding, but you must promise to let me play with your new computer when I visit you ;) :beer:

Lemog
01-04-2005, 07:15 AM
Lucky man... you start the composition :cry:

Anyway I'm happy for you my potatoeMan :D

Virtuoso
01-04-2005, 10:36 AM
Final compo...................Dont you think you should wait for the rest of us pour souls still in texture phase...........;)


Nice updates,Dimi,your work is always nice,and done with care and creativity & passion.Now just here to say Go,go,go...........All the best in your compo phase.......I'll be back in texture phase......;)

:beer:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-04-2005, 02:24 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104848685_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104848685_large.jpg)

...I am starting to post the compo elements regarding characters and stuff..i just am posting them as Modeling milestones 'cuase of the clay render...final coloring will be a surprise ( don't know if it's gonna be good or bad..u will finally judge this as viewers).

I am going finally for a very difficult composition...maybe one of the hardest ever taken from me mainly of tthe amount of different elements..but ..It's gonna be a Battle...too Big Scene ...too much going on...little time to complete...but it will finish...

The setup has purpose to take the viewers eye to travel from Left to right and the intension is all the image to have the suspense of confict and battle.

I hope u like the final outcome ...cuase now the Layers are starting to gather ....
Hope u like this first Element..(u will see this in final image in a more dramatic angle.)

Cheers

P.S..: Are u sure that Kaheldar will Fall? ............

DimitrisLiatsos
01-04-2005, 02:34 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104849255_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104849255_large.jpg)

...I am starting to post the compo elements regarding characters and stuff..i just am posting them as Modeling milestones 'cuase of the clay render...final coloring will be a surprise ( don't know if it's gonna be good or bad..u will finally judge this as viewers).

I am going finally for a very difficult composition...maybe one of the hardest ever taken from me mainly of tthe amount of different elements..but ..It's gonna be a Battle...too Big Scene ...too much going on...little time to complete...but it will finish...

The setup has purpose to take the viewers eye to travel from Left to right and the intension is all the image to have the suspense of confict and battle.

I hope u like the final outcome ...cuase now the Layers are starting to gather ....
Hope u like this first Element..(u will see this in final image in a more dramatic angle.)

Cheers

P.S..: Are u sure that Kaheldar will Fall? ............

DimitrisLiatsos
01-04-2005, 02:45 PM
Oopps Sorry for the Double post ...:shrug:


@ flyingP ...hahaha ...there will more that ears cut in final...hehehehe...:)


@ arturro ... guns i thought out not only by the look of each character but also from what i want them to look at battle also...thanks friend...hope u like the final...


@ GaNNEl ... oh u will ..u will see someone hanging from those blades ..i think....heheheeh


@ Climax ...hahahah...man u are more than welcome to come to Athens ..anytime...i hope u like the final...and thanks for your excellent houmor and support :bounce:

@ Lemog ... thank u my Crazy Frenchy friend...we are not the same in style ...but for sure we are the same crazy Nutsos in modeling things like nuts ..hahahah...i really hope u will like the final friend :bounce:

@ Virtuoso ... My friend Michael thank u ,,,u were always much supportive and gentleman...i am glad that i am challenging once more with u ...rock on friend :arteest: :arteest:

YasushAzush
01-04-2005, 02:46 PM
Well done .......waiting to see dimit on the final images.......:scream:

Lemog
01-04-2005, 02:49 PM
Damn... I must vote for you :eek:

flyingP
01-04-2005, 02:55 PM
ahhh the classic 'scalpel gun to the head while the other guy is sunbathing' trick :wise:


:D

monsitj
01-04-2005, 03:23 PM
hi ! i 'm still wait to see your whole image ! and about the lastest update ,i think the left arm of the guard is too short?? maybe it's perspective distortion ,

awesome work as always!

Cre8
01-04-2005, 03:43 PM
:thumbsup: Yo Dimi,

Ive been watching your thread for a while now, wondering just exactly how you were gonna use your characters in your scene and i must say that if this is what you are planning, im very impressed.

Cant wait for the final image!

You got incredible vision.:applause:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-04-2005, 03:55 PM
Guys thank u very for all the comments..i really hope i wont dissapoint u 'cuase this is becoming real heavy scene...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee



:bounce: :wip: :wip: :bounce:

jdsb
01-04-2005, 04:08 PM
i knew from page 3/4 that this is going to be a sci-fi movie in the making,remember :deal::scream:
what a nut you are ....:argh::argh::argh::argh::bowdown::applause::love::scream::thumbsup:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-04-2005, 04:17 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104855426_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104855426_large.jpg)

...again in same logic ...this will be a bit further though...ehmmm


hope u like it

flaeticia
01-04-2005, 04:29 PM
I'm a follower of lemog, but I believe that I'll become one of Dimitris lol
excellent work!
a setting in scene particularly well successful (cf google translate :eek: )

M477
01-04-2005, 04:44 PM
oooh some quality action poses for the camera!

:bounce:
Little bit of motion blur and you're away!!

Looking forward to seeing this one finished.. In fact, I'm looking forward to getting my life back! :p

stefgrafx
01-04-2005, 04:46 PM
:applause: Really prefer the first compo... with the guy on the ground, think its more "tragic and dinamic"... really love this one... great models, great compo... :thumbsup:

azazel
01-04-2005, 05:07 PM
I also think the first pose compo is much better. Poses are stronger, while on the second one poses don't feel natural.

DimitrisLiatsos
01-04-2005, 06:04 PM
I also think the first pose compo is much better. Poses are stronger, while on the second one poses don't feel natural.


No No guys ..u misunterstood me....BOTH POSES AND ALL THE REST I WILL POST will be in Final Image....Although THE FIRST one is the main action in front very close ....These are not "possible compo elements"...they are ALL elements... :bounce:

flyingP
01-04-2005, 06:15 PM
These are not "possible compo elements"...they are ALL elements... :bounce:

well a couple of hundred more and you should be laughing :argh: :D

ihamid
01-04-2005, 06:16 PM
those are nice poses DimitrisLiatsos. like it very much ,makes me want to see more of those poses:scream:!
with the textures on it will sure be a sight for the cg eyes!:eek:

lukep
01-04-2005, 06:23 PM
well a couple of hundred more and you should be laughing :argh: :D

in the Mad Scientist classical hysterical tone ? :twisted:

Denman
01-04-2005, 06:31 PM
dim they are looking great...

but you still should make 1 grana choking a royal guard... on the background...
you will win the contest by it :P :)

flyingP
01-04-2005, 06:31 PM
in the Mad Scientist classical hysterical tone ? :twisted:

but of course, I had just forgot to add the WAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaa at the end :D

Aethyrprime
01-04-2005, 06:35 PM
you gotta love when people look but not read. Both elements look nice man. How many such scene elements are you going to include in the final?

GaNNEl
01-04-2005, 07:05 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104855426_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104855426_large.jpg)

...again in same logic ...this will be a bit further though...ehmmm


hope u like itWOW oh man you ROCK! :buttrock: This is exactly what I was talking about :scream: ! You did it man! :eek:
Now... Some blood and gore :twisted: !!

azazel
01-04-2005, 07:53 PM
No No guys ..u misunterstood me....BOTH POSES AND ALL THE REST I WILL POST will be in Final Image....Although THE FIRST one is the main action in front very close ....These are not "possible compo elements"...they are ALL elements... :bounce:

Yeah, but still, the second pose could be better ;) I'd bring the guys closer together, and give the guard more 'stable' stance.

markovicd
01-04-2005, 08:11 PM
wonderful! i wish i knew to rig and pose... :(...

DimitrisLiatsos
01-04-2005, 09:02 PM
Yeah, but still, the second pose could be better ;) I'd bring the guys closer together, and give the guard more 'stable' stance.

...aahhhh ...now i understand what u mean..yes u are right ...this is is something i can do better ...yes .....


P.S (..piggy,lucep.) ...
" ...Bring thousands...
IT'S ALIVE ..WAAHAHAHHHAHAAHAhhaahhaaahaha..
thousands of those armies of evil...
mwahaahahahaah...:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:"

........hahahahahahaahahahahahah:beer:

ace4016
01-04-2005, 09:04 PM
Nice compositions, but I have to agrre with azazel, the second pose looks a bit unnatural. You could try to act out the stab as the stabber and the stabbed.

Lemog
01-05-2005, 09:52 AM
I'm a follower of lemog, but I believe that I'll become one of Dimitris lol
excellent work!
a setting in scene particularly well successful (cf google translate :eek: )

Hey Dim... don't take care to this girl... she's a Frenchie Nut too... :scream: (I want to keep her vote for me :thumbsup: )(if not... I will reserved her a new potatoHead)

DimitrisLiatsos
01-05-2005, 10:40 AM
Hey Dim... don't take care to this girl... she's a Frenchie Nut too... :scream: (I want to keep her vote for me :thumbsup: )(if not... I will reserved her a new potatoHead)

hahahahahahah.......:bounce::beer::beer::bounce:

Kaksht
01-05-2005, 11:12 AM
Hi Dimitris!
:scream: :scream: :scream: now this rocks dude!!!
Man it looks great, like a frozen moment! Hmm, maybe more dramatic face expresion of the "beast" :)

aLxDesigns
01-05-2005, 02:19 PM
Quite nice Dim!
I just cant stay away from this thread!! haha http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm414YYIL)
(Im testing out this new "smilycentral" thingy...sry if im doing anything wrong)

theuni
01-05-2005, 07:12 PM
Hi Dimi,

I like it :thumbsup: But maybe you could still try to get more dramatic in your poseing.

Singil
01-06-2005, 12:58 AM
Ok, first post ever on CG Talk ! Yay!

I've been lurking behind the curtains in this forum for quiet some time and browsing through threads anonymously, (mainly for the fact that I really dont believe I have not yet anything to show to you fine people!) but I couldn't resist anymore, I simply MUST salute this Homo Liatsosus =>(supreme humanoid CG creator breed) !!!

Kali nichta, neighbour :) I've been following this thread from day 1, and I've realized two things; What amazed me is not only how superb your works are, and they are certainly superb, but it is:

1. Your passion doing these things... Not only you are working with the speed of thought, but while doing so, the quality of your work does not suffer a bit!! One must have a total passion and love for his work to keep the level of quality so high for this long :thumbsup: I can only respect that! :applause:

2. ... how you "embrace" the community and your "fan circle" :D You are having huge fun and share it with the people so this thread turned into a kind of interactive workshop! That's so cool


And, the most important thing of all, you MADE me get through all the trouble of registering and posting here! (which is a big deal for a poor lazy guy as myself :))

Well, now I really dont have anything else to say at conclusion part, but you get the idea! You rock on! :buttrock:

Frenchy Pilou
01-06-2005, 01:29 AM
...creature cat fighter rocks!
It's a pity that in a moment this nicy creature died against this bad human with his claw gun :sad:
Save this poor little cat ;)

DimitrisLiatsos
01-06-2005, 02:49 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104979756_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1104979756_large.jpg)

...it's pretty much saying everything about the light setup for this....mainly the scene has only 3-4 more light setups but for specific parts of scene...meaning lights that are not on by default for everything...i will post those too on next posts...

DimitrisLiatsos
01-06-2005, 02:54 AM
@ Kaksht ...thanks man...i hope i will catch this frozen moment feeling....:)


@ Burning_Frust ...hahahah nice smiley ..hahahahhhaha

@ theuni ....if u mean the second one ..yes..i am gonna adjust that :thumbsup:


@ Frenchy Pilou .... oh don't worry crazy Frenchy :) ...u will see more of him in ZBrush in the days to come and with different body too :twisted:....


:bounce:

rattlesnake
01-06-2005, 03:36 AM
hey dimi..theres no doubt your entry is going to b superb!! amazing poses for the fighting drama!!...very good job...

iNFERNiS
01-06-2005, 05:40 AM
Stunning work. If i was an emperor and I had 1000 slaves I'd order them to carve out your face on a mountain ridge in honor of you.

I was suprised to read that you learned 3D by yourself. I'm also learning by myself right now, and it's a loooong road. Hope to reach your level in this lifetime (I doubt it!).

Anyways, you're truly an inspiration for me. Can't wait to see the pieces come together in your final scene :)

Lemog
01-06-2005, 07:35 AM
Thanks for your light setup explanation man... an another lesson :thumbsup:

claudiojordao
01-06-2005, 09:54 AM
Great poses, great characters, great work Dimitri!

DimitrisLiatsos
01-06-2005, 10:42 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105051354_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105051354_large.jpg)

... another Composition element i am thinking to put in Final image...

C&C are welcomed.

Frenchy Pilou
01-06-2005, 10:54 PM
...Lord of BUBBLES
How many with only one chewing gum?
Or what is the max size with this same chewing gum? ;)

Ps Do you thing that the gun of the cat fighter is not a little big in this scene and necessary?

DimitrisLiatsos
01-06-2005, 10:54 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105052084_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105052084_large.jpg)

...Real Size in final of Bridge part....
U can see the Previous Lights Setup what result it gave .....
Render Time in Full Size ..4 hours...

C&C are welcomed

DimitrisLiatsos
01-06-2005, 10:57 PM
...
How many with only one chewing gum?
Or what is the max size with this same chewing gum? ;)

Ps Do you thing that the gun of the cat fighter is not a little big in this scene ?
Hahahah...many...many bubbles....as for the gun..welll it is big gun...it's actually the size for his arm (so that the palm can fit...but maybe in this render tricks the eye...thanks Frenchy Pilou nutty:)

jfelrod1960
01-06-2005, 11:07 PM
"D" don't you have a dual G5 system? 4 hours to render?

Kylebrn
01-06-2005, 11:08 PM
I think the poses turned out good.Along with those models,good work.But the gun of the cat fighter is waaaaaaay toooooo big man.Plus the scene is waaaaay tooo dark.I cant really make anything out in that last scene except for bits and pieces and some lights.:)

ace4016
01-06-2005, 11:09 PM
I cant say much about the bridge, looks ok to me, but the pose of the fighter could use some work. How about putting his right foot on the grana mercs left thigh to look like he is pulling out; the legs look too unnatural just hanging there, plus the pushing of the thigh would give the gaurd a more agressive and agile look becuase you have to be pretty aggresive and agile to do all that. Hope you also have a grana merc hurting a gaurd too. One more thing you can add is the grana mercs hand on the gaurds arm without a tight grip, its all your call though.

BTW, that little sleeve thing didnt look too flamboiant with the gun/blade the gaurds have, guess it worked out.

DimitrisLiatsos
01-06-2005, 11:27 PM
"D" don't you have a dual G5 system? 4 hours to render?
Yes ...in full res by the rules ..not this part only...it's heavy render time 'cuase i increased a lot the antialiasing Algorithm and the Contrast threshold lower in Mental Ray for the thin lines to render with no grain :)

@ Kylebrn ...thanks man..Gun is waayyy big?...hmmm have u played Unreal Tournament lately to see what guns they carry...weeee...after all the size is mainly dominated by the size of his arm to fit in....:)...but it is a little big....
About Scene...Dark ...i have my monitor calibrated with electronic system....and to tell u the truth i can see more that just bits of pieces (monitor calibrated for Image printing work ...) :)

@ ace4016 ... thanks man...about pose ...i am trying to catch the motion on the air ..meaning that he is jumping and steping on his kneecup so he can go higher and stab him on the neck...if it's not visible then i have i guess to work on this more....:)

Kylebrn
01-06-2005, 11:36 PM
@ Kylebrn ...thanks man..Gun is waayyy big?...hmmm have u played Unreal Tournament lately to see what guns they carry...weeee...after all the size is mainly dominated by the size of his arm to fit in....:)...but it is a little big....
About Scene...Dark ...i have my monitor calibrated with electronic system....and to tell u the truth i can see more that just bits of pieces (monitor calibrated for Image printing work ...) :)


Must be real dark prints.:) ;) It's just that the models seem lost.I dint see any of the detail,you got detail but it's just not there in the picture,it's lost.Plus the colors are all just dark tones and melt into each other.it just seems alot of the models are lost,it's a shame.

ace4016
01-07-2005, 01:22 AM
...
@ ace4016 ... thanks man...about pose ...i am trying to catch the motion on the air ..meaning that he is jumping and steping on his kneecup so he can go higher and stab him on the neck...if it's not visible then i have i guess to work on this more....:)
Now I see, if he is still in the jumping position then i think his feet/legs shouldn't be that far in front of his body, instead maybe more behind or just starting to come forward. If he is going to jump off his thigh then his knees should be higher like hes getting ready to plant his feet on the other guy's thigh, if hes just going to push through and go in the same direction then his feet should be more behind i think and ready to land. Hope it all works out in the end.


@Kylebrn - i see everything in the bridge shot just fine on my LCD screen, maybe its just your monitor:shrug: ?

tlggungor
01-07-2005, 01:50 AM
crazy modelling :thumbsup: :rolleyes:

Dennik
01-07-2005, 01:59 AM
Hey Liatsman, i thought i could throw an advice about your chest stabbing pic. From an animator's point of view i think it lacks the dynamics that such a move requires. I just can't imagine what was the previous pose that lead to that stabb. His body doesn't support it at all but insted it seems like moving away from his strike point. Why don't you try an extreme "punch" pose for a change, or even a pose he is killing two opponents at once, stabbing one on the back, and shooting another comming towards him, that way you can involve 3 characters instead of two. ;)
Just a friendly suggestion.. As i think you are already on the road for a totally kick ass picture. :D

azazel
01-07-2005, 08:25 AM
Note on the light: right now it could do as a general fill/ambience, which however needs some direct, and colored key. I know there is a key there, but not enough. Now another good thing would be ditching the hdr lighting, instead using few low intensity maya's directional lights (they are very handy for such tasks), and rendering separate occlusion pass. That way the scene with lights would render in say 10 - 20 minutes, not 4 hours - you have to compute ao only once ;)

DimitrisLiatsos
01-07-2005, 08:57 AM
@ace4016, Dennik ... Guys thanks...i think that u are right ...the pose lacks some reasoning of what was before ..i was just carried away of the shapes of the bodies (which i liked like this...)...maybe i just keep this for far ..FAR away back in my composition and just sit down and make a pose like the one Dennik suggests...thanks friends ..most helpfull... :thumbsup: :bounce:

@ azazel ...Thank u friend...these are good advices indeed :thumbsup: ...my main problem though is that my scene is describing a moment at dawn of day (very early ) or a moment just before sun goes down...i have checked so much about it..(i even shut on my balcony to wait for sunrise) That moment the key light is helping more just in highlights and light on objects is working more like a FILL light...so basically that's just what i thought i needed ...more fill lighting.....i just hope i am wrong when it comes to a complete image:shrug:..heheheh...Thanks friend :thumbsup:


@ -tolga- ... :) thanks ..but i 've seen your thread...u are crazier my friend :bounce: :thumbsup:

azazel
01-07-2005, 01:03 PM
Dawn / sunset are probably one of the nicest lighting situations, as you can have quite strong key coming from side, and colors at that time usually are quite rich - as sunlight get's more yellow or even orange. Then you can have contrasting warm lit areas, and blue/violet/purple shades (coming from the sky - here skylight helps, but directionals will do as well) - giving even more possibilities. Basically you can avoid 'gray' lighting. On the other side, there probably will be explosions, giving nice colored local lighting - so too colorful 'main' lighting would be no good.

dawn can look like this:
http://www.save-the-elephants.org/Photo%20Gallery/Mali%20Expendition/original/DSC02505%20Dawn%20at%20landing%20place.jpg - kinda like your setup at the moment, or like this:
http://bill.emr.net/images/Pinacate/Durham/Dawn%20at%20the%20Dunes%206.jpg - probably bit later, tho.

i like second one bit more - mainly because of the stronger warm sunlight.

ok, nuff typing for now :)

PeterSanitra
01-07-2005, 01:14 PM
all those tiny light are giving the scene a very nice space look, very good job

DimitrisLiatsos
01-07-2005, 01:19 PM
.... On the other side, there probably will be explosions, giving nice colored local lighting - so too colorful 'main' lighting would be no good.
.....

That was also from start another point that had to be taken in mind....Blast ...explosion and smoke i think will make it very busy if i have a stornge key light...Maybe in general u are right though...i am not so sure how much i have in the challenge to adjust that to optimal point :banghead: ...but for sure i will try man... :thumbsup: (thanks for the links...


@ Darkone2652 ..thanks friend...but it still needs a lot of small tweaks that make the difference :wip:

claudiojordao
01-07-2005, 03:41 PM
Hello Dimitri. The scene with your 2 fantastic characters is full of action my friend. Very good!

artemesia66
01-07-2005, 06:07 PM
Great poses. sounds like an action-filled panorama in the making. :) Thanks for posting your light set up--very helpful. keep up the great work. :thumbsup:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-07-2005, 10:12 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105135947_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105135947_large.jpg)

...another composition element i am going to put in Final i think!


C&C are welcomed....

Squibbit
01-07-2005, 10:14 PM
sorry u can't go for final ,greeks are in the other contest

DimitrisLiatsos
01-07-2005, 10:20 PM
LOL...what other contest...?? :scream:

Squibbit
01-07-2005, 10:26 PM
well u know since Kenyans couldn't be in Machineflesh contest now greeks must be
in the other contest

arturro
01-07-2005, 10:36 PM
Yap, greeks and frenchmen have other competition. Leave us alone!! :twisted:

ps. the falling guy, and the pointing one are great:buttrock:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-07-2005, 10:39 PM
:banghead: I ....:banghead: don't ....:banghead:....understand :banghead:...not a thing...lol hahah Kenyans ..."other thing" ...lol...am i stupido :cry: ? hahaha heeelp ..the crazy little bastardo with wings is confusing me...hahahahah other thing...what other thing...( he walks away saying the same ..thing...."what other thing?") :argh::argh:

arturro
01-07-2005, 10:53 PM
:banghead: I ....:banghead: don't ....:banghead:....understand :banghead:...not a thing...lol hahah Kenyans ..."other thing" ...lol...am i stupido :cry: ? hahaha heeelp ..the crazy little bastardo with wings is confusing me...hahahahah other thing...what other thing...( he walks away saying the same ..thing...."what other thing?") :argh::argh:
heh, maybe you should sleep a bit longer:)

Squibbit
01-07-2005, 10:54 PM
LOL , take it easy dude , hehehe , suren if there'd be another contest you
likely wouldn't be let out of it :thumbsup:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-07-2005, 10:55 PM
....hahahahahahah...OK! ...(falls on floor and ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)

:scream:

jdsb
01-07-2005, 10:57 PM
awesome progress so far as per usuallllll :scream::argh:

Squibbit
01-07-2005, 11:05 PM
there u go, good to have a little nap every now and then !

u good pretty good poses there... especially the dude falling down and the one looking
at him... also the way the others are pressing on despite the casualty looks cool

DimitrisLiatsos
01-07-2005, 11:11 PM
Ok me must sleep now . So i must say goodZZ...zZzZ night ....


lol passed out

http://www.msgr.ca/msgr-9/cat%20sleep_showing.JPG

JamesMK
01-07-2005, 11:14 PM
I'm worried now Dimi....

shiela_G
01-07-2005, 11:25 PM
this is grand thread. well, i can't wait to see those guards on the scene...right now! anyway, time is soooo near. i wish you luck. that's a cute kitty btw!

DimitrisLiatsos
01-08-2005, 12:01 AM
I'm worried now Dimi....
...lol ..ok ok ...i will sleep and i will be better tomorrow :scream:


@ shiela_G ...thanks lady.....kitty not mine ...mine is orange with stripes(classic Greek cat)

essencedesign
01-08-2005, 01:10 AM
Well I guess it is time to start putting things together...I will be watching here doin one of these :drool:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-08-2005, 08:00 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105171215_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105171215_large.jpg)

Layer Rendered ...(here in less quality)....so one more Layer of composition is ready...

Hope u like it...

C&C are welcomed.

Kaksht
01-08-2005, 08:24 AM
Hi Dimitris!

Wow, now that is one cool composition, i like these frozen moments that Your doing. Man this one rocks! The shot down fella is looking very good, excelent :thumbsup:

grafos
01-08-2005, 08:38 AM
Wow Dimitri, this looks really cool, I love those space suits, awesome work!

Though the cat from the previous page steals the show!

I'm e-mailing it to everyone!!!

ace4016
01-08-2005, 08:41 AM
haha, i like the poses. I like how your using the guy wiht orange and a sleeve thing as a commander, wonder where you got that idea:rolleyes: . If i haven't said it before, i'll say it now, the character design on this is A material.

Aethyrprime
01-08-2005, 09:10 AM
Its coming along very nicely Dimitris. I would just request some battle damage on those beautiful textures you put in there. It would add some to your characters... Just a thought. Keep at it.

scootermaya
01-08-2005, 09:10 AM
The french nut thinks it looks good !:bounce:
I believe the guy on the right is the chief ?:D
Looks great Dimitris . Just this should be enough for your final compo !:buttrock:
All right , let's rock for the final days !:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-08-2005, 09:19 AM
@Kaksht ... :) :bounce: :) ..thanks man!


@ grafos ...hahahaha... :thumbsup:

@ ace4016 ...ah the Orange Sleeves guy as a commander was fella's fault...he said that he looks a bit wierd with the sleeves...so i made The Fellah-Trooper ...so there u have it ....Thanks man :bounce:


@ ||) |V| |^| ..u are maybe right..i will do something about it....But i think it will be in Photoshop in this stage ...too little time now and too many renders and all in High Resolution :banghead: :banghead: ...hahahahah

@ scootermaya ....yes crazy Frenchy :bounce: ...let's rock...it's only 9-10 days more left now :)

rattlesnake
01-08-2005, 09:49 AM
these guys looks really nice...very brave rangers!...the one on the back is not afraid of getting a shot like his partner....theyre focused in their mission... good job!

flyingP
01-08-2005, 10:01 AM
the one on the back is not afraid of getting a shot like his partner....

come to think of it he does sort of have a " oh look he's dead " sort of expression

DimitrisLiatsos
01-08-2005, 10:04 AM
hahahahahahhah piggy ...hahaha i missed your houmor and fast comments man...and wabbit's too....hahahah "OH...dear ...He is... Dead! "..hahhahahahah


@ ssssssnake ...thanks my friend... :bounce: :bounce:

flyingP
01-08-2005, 10:09 AM
and wabbit's too....hahahah "OH...dear ...He is... Dead! "..hahhahahahah


no just half alive :D

DimitrisLiatsos
01-08-2005, 10:23 AM
no just half alive :D


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH yes and chased by wierd flying eyes in city sewars ..ahahahah....

Will he get UTK4...next week we are ready for fragging each other's butt..... :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: ...u will get used of hearing "Liatswagen is a killing spree"...ahahahahahahhah :scream: :scream: ...man i want to play..... :cry: :cry:

flyingP
01-08-2005, 10:39 AM
maybe :shrug: got heaps to do at the moment :hmm:

scootermaya
01-08-2005, 11:10 AM
come to think of it he does sort of have a " oh look he's dead " sort of expression
No no no no ! I beileve he's checking out the sky for space attack ! No ? I'm no right ?:rolleyes:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-08-2005, 11:13 AM
hahahaha.."Look Mammy ...there 's a plain up in the sky"...(Pink floyd - The Wall) :bounce:

flyingP
01-08-2005, 11:23 AM
No no no no ! I beileve he's checking out the sky for space attack ! No ? I'm no right ?:rolleyes:

or he's just wondering if he left the oven on :wise:

stefgrafx
01-08-2005, 12:54 PM
:bounce: As I say on other time, I really like thoses guards, But the 2 guys in the middle give sensation that this is a motion-scop, you could put one of them whith kneel down firing a blaster... also put a less darker backround to apreciate better details... as say o other guy here, perhaps you have your screen too much darker... but good job :thumbsup:

pyroskat
01-08-2005, 01:45 PM
buah! certainly i not seen your work since now. and what can i see? impressive!, very good work. i cant imagine how you will can render this.....
also you commented before, but with this amount of pages for read.... what machine do you have?

Denman
01-08-2005, 02:23 PM
buah! certainly i not seen your work since now. and what can i see? impressive!, very good work. i cant imagine how you will can render this.....
also you commented before, but with this amount of pages for read.... what machine do you have?Dim has a MONSTER machine...
and he is a machine too... :D or was dim a monster ? (hmm i'm confused)

DimitrisLiatsos
01-08-2005, 04:55 PM
:blush: :blush: ...pyroskat hi ....for modeling i have a Small Factor PC with 1 gig Ram and a game card with 256 ram......when i need to render i render with command line renderer in Maya with Mental Ray on a Dual G5 with 3 Gigs Ram... :bounce:

That's it.... :)

DimitrisLiatsos
01-08-2005, 05:44 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105206265_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105206265_large.jpg)

One of the Sparrows for the composition....


C&C are welcomed

jfelrod1960
01-08-2005, 05:50 PM
I love the sparrow fighter Dim. But do you think it should be a walker or should the legs act more like landing pods. Seems like making it a walker is not mechanically sound.

DimitrisLiatsos
01-08-2005, 05:56 PM
@ jfelrod1960 ....I want it friend to be also a walker ...it's an invasion mech ship...it can walk as a mech...fly as a jet ...and hover as an helicopter...3-ple action machine :)


:bounce:

jfelrod1960
01-08-2005, 06:03 PM
That is kinda nice Dim now that you mentioned it. You could call it The Sparrow MAV (Multi-Purpose Attack Vehicle). :)

Maybe you could loan me this vehicle for my AI research? :D Hint! Hint!

Squibbit
01-08-2005, 06:53 PM
The Sparrow MAV sounds cool


but since it's a bird , shouldn't it hop along on the ground ? :D

*boink* boink*

Singil
01-08-2005, 06:54 PM
Commander: Go for the thrusters! bring it down!!
Infantry: It is down sir... Now what?
Commander: Uhm... err.... RUN!!

-OR-

Just throw a big can of thick black paint to it's cockpit windows to immobilize this sucka :scream: !!
Heh, In all the sparrows glory and elegance, the cockpit being a glass dome has always bugged me, somehow. When I'd first seen the model I thought the cockpit was the area where currently the frontal lights are, and that the pilots were sitting next to eachother like the AT-STs or more like "Intruder" jets...

obviously that's a comment that's several weeks late, but I kinda wanted to get it off my chest. :shrug:



Hey, but the pose is awesome! The impression is, he's coming towards me with open mouth and eyes (lights) locked at me, and the head slightly bent to the left, saying "Now you're gonna get it!!!" :eek:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-08-2005, 06:56 PM
Yup...:bounce:(<--- Sparrow simulation of Boing Boing boing) ...:scream:

terraarc
01-08-2005, 07:14 PM
Hello Dim! You're moving towards a great end mate! Just made it to the net and you're full of updates....:thumbsup:

Just some encouragement Bounces for the last meters to the end!!

:bounce::bounce:

Great work mate!

Sou euxomai ta kalutera!!:)

TKraccoon
01-08-2005, 08:03 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105171215_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105171215_large.jpg)


This is stunning Dimitris! I was blown away by what you were able to come up with for the Merc, you've got tremendous talent :thumbsup: Glad to see you're still hard at work on this. Only suggestion is if you are going to focus on the soldiers like this you may want to vary their expression so it looks more realistic. Maybe add the guy in back who is looking at his friend fall scream or something, as right now he kind of has that "What the heck is wrong with you?" look :D Models look awesome though.

monsitj
01-08-2005, 08:44 PM
whaooo! all of your work here can make a short film!!! very detail ,hard work ! ,
i agree with TKraccoon , that , the varation of the gurd need more work , because now, they look like the same model , maybe u are planing to work on it later ?
anyway , still wait for your all composition !!
and many thanks for your comments in my thread! it' help me a lot!! good luck:thumbsup:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-08-2005, 10:40 PM
@ terraarc ...Hello to Patra ...thanks mate ..your words and encouragement worth a lot to me :thumbsup::bounce:


@ TKraccoon, monsitj ...Thank u friends...U ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT and of of course i am right on it ...i just was so happy that my Rigs worked all together and smoothly that i posted that immidietly:bounce:.....i am gonna fix their expression and pose more ...cuase this group is let's say second to focus....weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...thanks a lot guys :thumbsup:


Bubble goes render again....:bounce:

neble
01-09-2005, 01:00 AM
Your texturing has really added a lot to the renders of the trooper. Impressed. Looking forward to the final image.

DimitrisLiatsos
01-09-2005, 08:59 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105261184_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105261184_large.jpg)

....fixed this one a little bit...and added two more soldiers...better now? :)

EmpY
01-09-2005, 09:34 AM
YOU CRAZY MAN!!!:surprised
Jesus!!! Dunno what to say...you have everything there, friend!!!
:bounce:

Gunilla
01-09-2005, 09:39 AM
Amazing models - and a really impressive thread all in all! Congrats and good luck!

YasushAzush
01-09-2005, 10:56 AM
Yoooooooooooo are doing realy lovley job wish you the best prize men:bounce:

Aethyrprime
01-09-2005, 11:30 AM
Well no matter which way you are doing it, you are doing it well! Very nice still. Keep at it!

DimitrisLiatsos
01-09-2005, 12:14 PM
Thanks Friends....really inspiring and motivating to hear all this :bounce: :bounce:

Right now i am rendering the 4 last layers of geometry and i will test different fx (real and cg ) to add in composition...i think i will be ready until Friday or Saturday...i will posting all week only Layers for composition and an analytical Layer overview of final composition at the end of week just before final post.....

:cry: Damn..it finishes..and i had so much fun that ...i don't want it to finish :banghead: :banghead:


Bubble thanks u for all the kind words guys.. :bounce: (boink ...boink...boink <---sound enhanced smiley..lol)

Russell-Nash
01-09-2005, 02:33 PM
Wow, this is going to be a masterpiece. I would be very astonished not to see it in the winning group. :thumbsup:



Russel

Squibbit
01-09-2005, 03:11 PM
:cry: Damn..it finishes..and i had so much fun that ...i don't want it to finish :banghead: :banghead:
o comon dude , only 6 months and we get another :)

and in the mean while we can make a group effort soo find another contest to amuse
ourselves with :thumbsup:

tlggungor
01-09-2005, 03:15 PM
wowoooooooooooooooooooooooooooow ı love the characters really good.But more gun needed in my opinion and more tech.:eek: :bounce: :buttrock:

Climax
01-09-2005, 07:43 PM
Hey Dim, Looks Mega Great, My suggestion: Exagerate a bit more the "movement" of the troops, the same poses, but more exagerated, Have you ever seen the book "learn to draw at Marvel's Style" by Stan Lee, it has good advices for making stills of humans in action :thumbsup:

Wow! are all those texturized models in a single scene? you should have a Mega Computer, I am afraid to charge my scenes too much, but i guess I haven't tried, mine is a P3 double processor 1000 mhz

Another observation: the dark gray on them semms too dark, try this same image against a white background, and you'll see what I mean :deal: of course i dont know which background will they have, so delete my observation :D

Well then Dim, Keep going pal, there is just 8 days left :cry: :sad: :argh: :wip: :arteest:

flyingP
01-09-2005, 08:11 PM
:cry: Damn..it finishes..and i had so much fun that ...i don't want it to finish :banghead: :banghead:

there is always UT2004 :lightbulb providing we do all end up actually finding free time at the same time, and of course that the Wabbit buys a copy so we can all frag the hell out of him :D

DimitrisLiatsos
01-09-2005, 08:13 PM
there is always UT2004 :lightbulb providing we do all end up actually finding free time at the same time, and of course that the Wabbit buys a copy so we can all frag the hell out of him :D


Yeah ..until i have something ready :twisted: ...do u want me to find later tonight an empty server and go play UT4....ehhhh? :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

flyingP
01-09-2005, 08:20 PM
Yeah ..until i have something ready :twisted: ...do u want me to find later tonight an empty server and go play UT4....ehhhh? :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

tempted, but I think I am up for some sleep first :banghead:

ace4016
01-09-2005, 08:44 PM
great addition to that part dimi, hop-e to see many more updates soon. And just becuase the competition is over doesnt mean you have to stop with this, i'd love to see more vehicles and different characters made and a little short to go along with it. Hmm, I wonder if you guys are really any good at UT2K4, i'd be up for playing:thumbsup: .

arturro
01-09-2005, 08:53 PM
post some tests with all the stuff together.. maybe there we will find something to crit...:)
breath taking work!

DimitrisLiatsos
01-09-2005, 09:27 PM
OK tonight and hopefully tommorow night i am rendering the last 2 pieces for my composition i think...i am sorry to say that some things can't change anymore at list for this image.....i am working from tommorow morning on a new tv (darn :banghead: ) spot so basically for me the challenge is now only the compo of what will be ready from rendering up to Tuesday night.....

So....i will post all layers that i will use in the composition(i have already started)..day by day and at the time i have a compo that it's ok i will put a diagram of all layers as they will used...and of of 'course the image!
So ....what i want to say...is...In ONE HOUR FROM NOW I WILL POST AN ADRESS TO GET IN AND PLAY UT2K4 (i will be searching in Atari Servers)....get ready ...Liatswagen is gonna frag your butt(that's me in UT2K4...)... :scream: :scream: :scream: ...oh please have names as here in CGtalk so we can recognize each other :bounce: :bounce:


weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D :bounce: :D

ace4016
01-09-2005, 09:51 PM
haha, ill be waiting. btw, i think i am the only ace4016 on games and forums (on forums for sure since i googled it:D ).

DimitrisLiatsos
01-09-2005, 10:44 PM
THAT'S IT ...time for a brake....


I am at UT2004 Server with IP (open window to enter IP..i am alone their ..for a while)

IP : 64.229.126.217.7777 (Torlan map now playing)

add it to favourites to find it any time..it usually is empty



P.S : Search Any UT2004 Server u see (set by player number ..they are all together ..i am at one of them...waiting for ya...har har har)

DimitrisLiatsos
01-09-2005, 11:01 PM
ONSLAUGHT OF COURSE......:twisted::bounce::twisted:

TKraccoon
01-10-2005, 01:13 AM
THAT'S IT ...time for a brake....

I am at UT2004 Server with IP (open window to enter IP..i am alone their ..for a while)

IP : 64.229.126.217.7777 (Torlan map now playing)

add it to favourites to find it any time..it usually is empty

P.S : Search Any UT2004 Server u see (set by player number ..they are all together ..i am at one of them...waiting for ya...har har har)
haha...I love that game! Are you playing on the demo servers? If so someday we should all have a CGN tournament :scream::buttrock:Onslaught mode rocks too, though I can't stand the jungle map. Just don't get too carried away and forget about the work you have to finish here for your entry ;) Can't wait to see more. What you did with the soldiers was good. In the end I would give them some blemishes or injuries of some type to diverify them even more but that's just personal perference.

BikiniBottom
01-10-2005, 01:26 AM
you are the man....can i say more?
really impressive work you have done...
like especially the human soldiers

Nazirull
01-10-2005, 11:17 AM
:buttrock: YOU ROCK DOODE!!!:buttrock:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-10-2005, 11:31 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105399878_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105399878_large.jpg)

Some Sparrows for composition

DimitrisLiatsos
01-10-2005, 11:33 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105399996_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105399996_large.jpg)

...a Grana Lander....I have rendered this from many angles and heights...

DimitrisLiatsos
01-10-2005, 11:35 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105400108_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105400108_large.jpg)

..Soldier ...for crowd simulation.....BRING THOUSANDS...hahahah

DimitrisLiatsos
01-10-2005, 11:36 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105400210_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105400210_large.jpg)

...Soldiers in different angle for crowd sim.....
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

DimitrisLiatsos
01-10-2005, 11:47 PM
@ TKraccoon ...hahaha i play in any server ONSLAUGHT, but now i have bookmarked some UT2004 server so ican meet u guys there..i played yesterday with ace4016....as for the injuries and stuff ..if i manage that ..it will be with photoshop for the final...no time i thing for more experimentation right now.... :banghead: ...hahaha


@ MogodtBackAgain ..thank u friend..i must admit that i like the characters i made now and the Lady i did in last challenge most from all my characters....which is a good thing i think..'cuase maybe it means i am getting better at this...at least than before...u don't want see ...hahahaha :bounce: :bounce:


@ maranello55 ... :blush: :blush: :blush:

@ arturro ...i will put some stuff together to see (i already have some experiments..) but i want to work them more before ..wait till Thurday or Friday ..i think i will be ready then .. :bounce:

Bubble out...for now :bounce:

Lelantos
01-10-2005, 11:53 PM
Kali xronia file

Excellent progress :eek: i cant take my eyes out of this charachter and spaceships
the end is near and so are you good job man:thumbsup:

jfelrod1960
01-11-2005, 12:04 AM
Nice work "D"! :thumbsup:

taavi
01-11-2005, 12:07 AM
Whoa!

U got a whole SimCity here! Really massive work!!
Respect. :applause: :applause:

YasushAzush
01-11-2005, 12:36 AM
:bounce: :bounce: then what ?......kiling the challenge ?.....show us the finla please.....:banghead: :cry:

DimitrisLiatsos
01-11-2005, 12:56 AM
:bounce: :bounce: then what ?......kiling the challenge ?.....show us the finla please.....:banghead: :cry:

It's coming my friend very soon...trust me if something was good enough to see yet ready i would have ...1-3 more days .... :wip: :wip:


@ Lelantos, jfelrod1960, taavi :beer: :beer: :beer:

ace4016
01-11-2005, 01:16 AM
Great compostions elements. I can't wait to see the end result, hurry so we can give C&C in time. Good times in UT2K4:thumbsup:.

Saschi0815
01-11-2005, 01:18 AM
Dimi, u nut bubbled banana onslaughter, this is so f..... great:applause: ... U're a direct starter in the frontline, aren't u? This soldiers are awesome....can't await to see them in the final bubble!


Holy Jesus, what comes next from u??? Don't want to think about, too much for my little mind tonite...:banghead::cry: :wip:
I go to bed now...:scream:


wish u a good night, my friend, looking forward to see your last steps here ...:bounce:

rattlesnake
01-11-2005, 01:23 AM
oh my...my heart beats faster!...cant wait friend!:bounce:

fellah
01-11-2005, 01:26 AM
I'm really impatient to see the final composition with everything added. really, after all these "little" teasers.. I don't wanna say it but....... "I can't wait" :D

bring it on mate! (and f*ck! don't disappoint me!!! ;) )

SOuLjA`-
01-11-2005, 01:37 AM
hi Dimi! your work is very nice :applause:...i've been spectating you since your first entry... i wish u good luck for the final image ... :thumbsup:

the next time i can play ut2k4 with u if u want! :buttrock:

gpepper
01-11-2005, 11:03 AM
Yes Dimitris ! really really great work ! I can't wait to see the final composition ! all things should be hard to see in only one picture, but I guess you will find "THE RIGHT STUFF" !

6 days until the end ? too long to see the final but too short to finish in time ?

sergioKomic
01-11-2005, 11:09 AM
Ante, post the damn thing!!!

PeterSanitra
01-11-2005, 11:25 AM
The character shading and lightning is fantastic, but time is getting short, show us the rest.

flyingP
01-11-2005, 11:36 AM
everyone's waiting
http://www.bjread.joice.net/fposts/killler.jpg

Lemog
01-11-2005, 12:20 PM
I'm a bit late here man... and I lose a lot of pages... grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

All previous things are "always" great... all days, you're better Dim... I give you a special gold thumb http://lemog.free.fr/GSO/bonus/gth.gif

Cre8
01-11-2005, 01:12 PM
I like your texturing, but the guards lips seem really bloated.

:shrug:

hectic
01-11-2005, 03:05 PM
hi, awesome piece of work :thumbsup:

I like you characters very much, they look just great ... could you post some unwraped wires for me ? I`m not good at texturing organic / round shapes, so I`d like to get inspired ;)

also I have to ask - did you use some plugin / external program ? or simple 3d max`s unwrap and lots of work ?

I`m modelling an alien ship for my entry, I managed to get through texturing using planar mapping on different channels and a composite material with opacity masks ... but that`s not going to be enough when I want to make characters

thnx

jddog
01-11-2005, 03:17 PM
Dimitris,

what a stunning and impressive work... i don't have wordrs enough... just I look all your progress and evolution on your project and I'm totally amazed.

:thumbsup: + :applause: what a wonderful work !

jdd

ihamid
01-11-2005, 03:24 PM
hi DimitrisLiatsos,
this is one of the threads that gives meaning and much more to the theme Grand Space Opera!:scream:. congratulations for displaying such awesome works here. wish u good luck !:)

Cleveland
01-11-2005, 04:19 PM
good luck. don't fade at the finish. your work is as fanatastic as it is voluminous. one of my favorites.

DimitrisLiatsos
01-11-2005, 06:47 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105469249_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/3794/3794_1105469249_large.jpg)

...The major front kill in my Final.....i hope u like it ...i gave too much thought on it...and it's one of my favourite renders for this theme....


P.S .... aaahhh I can't keep a secret anymore....KAHELDAR IS GOING TO FALL?

:twisted:

Squibbit
01-11-2005, 06:50 PM
show off... :P

jfelrod1960
01-11-2005, 07:05 PM
"D" you are a very hard worker. I had been thinking about your title and since you referred to it in your last post, I decided to ask the same thing. It looks like your images presented so far does not contain any destruction to Kaheldar. But I got a feeling you are keeping a few secrets. :)

DimitrisLiatsos
01-11-2005, 07:09 PM
@ Squibbit ....little bastardo..!...hahahaha Hi man..... :bounce:


@ piggy ....hahahaah the squirrel image is killing me man...hahahahahah


@ rattlesnake ...thanks my friend..i am half way and more to finish it...

@ fellah ...hahahahah...thanks man,..i hope i won't dissapoint u too :bounce:


@ gpepper ...yes my friend i am trying to find a balance in the image ...i have forgoten a bit that i am a 3d guy..i am just trying to show a story... :bounce:

@ SOuLjA`- ...UT2k4...weeeeee....anytime........weeeee :bounce:

@ Lemog ....for u man ! You are one of the persons i am dedicating this image..only one word for your work...Respect :thumbsup:


@ sergioKomic ....no so i can torture u a bit more...hahahah...it's coming man...

@ Cre8 ....thanks man...about lips maybe u are right..it just helps a bit in the image in exagurating feeling from their faces....but i will get back to adjust stuf for the animation that will follow :)

@ hectic ...thanks man...Projections were used for unrap and the Unrap tools of Maya.....Mainly ZBrush for texturing and BUMPS and some sculpting and the for the Face of Grana Merc...
Maya Mainly for modeling ...and XSI Modeling for TOWER and Bridge...i just love XSI....and ZBrush...and Maya..... :scream: :scream: ...weeeee ...oh and some explosion in LW and Maya....no extra plugins....just that and Photoshop for final....

@ yunisirees, jddog, phlebas9 ..and everybody i forgot.. cheers guys...your support is great...i couldn't make it with out u.... :thumbsup:

angel
01-11-2005, 07:15 PM
I just don't have any critiques... it's wonderful work.

DimitrisLiatsos
01-11-2005, 07:21 PM
"D" you are a very hard worker. I had been thinking about your title and since you referred to it in your last post, I decided to ask the same thing. It looks like your images presented so far does not contain any destruction to Kaheldar. But I got a feeling you are keeping a few secrets. :)

...it's a surprise...... :twisted: :twisted:


@ SNoWs...thanks man...although my Wife has too many crits about it ..up to now :love: :love: :love: :love:

flyingP
01-11-2005, 08:19 PM
well I had a teeny weeny minor crit......but I'll shut up so you can finish this thing and we can get on with some fragging :D

taavi
01-11-2005, 08:55 PM
Hi Dimitris! Dont listen to Your Wife critics right now! (Until 17. th january ) :p
( I can lend U my IMute for critical wives)

stefgrafx
01-11-2005, 09:52 PM
I like the textures.. the models.. and the pose... you could put a electric-blue-effect, getting out the gun... wait to see the-big-huge-tall scene ;) your waiting the las 5 minutes to post the final image?... :scream: like the thrillers-movies... "hey guys it only stay 10 seconds before the bomb explode... 9.. 8.. 7.. 6.. I cut the red.. or blue cable... 4.. 3.. 2..:applause: "

DimitrisLiatsos
01-11-2005, 10:01 PM
well I had a teeny weeny minor crit......but I'll shut up so you can finish this thing and we can get on with some fragging :D
..Spit it out ..you Pig! :scream::scream:


@ taavi ...nahhh ..she is Ok ...she is the best ...i don't mind listen to her crits....even if she liked only five of the models i have EVER made...hahahahah


@ stefgrafx ...hahahaha...no no believe me i am not keeping this for the last minute...i want to finish this and really ...really take a good night sleep and then take my wife on my bike for a small weekend trip ..ior anything...just away from a computer (..unless it's for UT2K4 ....:scream:)...My best honest estimation is this Friday or Saturday...at least..i wish it's Friday late u know.....i am very tired..hahahahaha

GaNNEl
01-11-2005, 11:04 PM
Whoa, really nice, I just can't seem to be patient enough to wait for the final image, I'm diying :scream: !!! Keep it man, and mark my words man, you are a winner, yeah! :thumbsup:

flyingP
01-11-2005, 11:06 PM
[QUOTE=DimitrisLiatsos]..Spit it out ..you Pig! :scream::scream:

nope not gonna, I'll be doomed to getting taken apart by people with a far better ping rate than I've been getting :cry:

OK but since you insist, I just feel that the Merc's hands could have been posed better.......very expressive things hands, and well those are just not really saying 'pain' if you know what I mean :)

lukep
01-11-2005, 11:25 PM
Dimitri, you are a real artist ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . to rise the blood pressure of all who follow this thread ;)

all this compo elements are great. cant wait the final.

DimitrisLiatsos
01-11-2005, 11:31 PM
Ohh Piggy u are so right ....but this was always a problem, and i seem i have a loong way to improve more....not to mention that i am a bit in a hurry 'cuase these renders take very long time ...:sad:...u are right ..so right...now i am depressed............but i 'll get over it....u haven't hear the last from my hands poses:D....there is still the time after the challenge to experiment a lot in order to make expressive hands...which i agree is the most important thing........PIG! ....hahahahahha....thanks piggy

@ GaNNEl ...thanks friend for your kind words...but wait till this comes to results....there are a ton of cool entries and i see many that stand out real big time....SO....(Matrix Line comes..) "Buckle up your seat Dorothy ...'cuase Kansas is going Bye bye...."

tzktime
01-11-2005, 11:52 PM
The angle is dynamic and shows alot of action. Good job on the camera work!