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zem
10-18-2004, 01:18 PM
Robert Nyström has entered the Grand Space Opera 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/grandspaceopera/view_entries.php?challenger=3793)

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: colour WIP_03
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1101459675_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1101459675_large.jpg)

Yeah, Robin, I know, I'm slipping. I can now only post on fridays, due to a lack of internet connection.

I tried taking out the third alien, making the image more epic. Do you all think in works? which is better two or three aliens. I think that two enhance the feel of grandness, better then three. Am i right?
Thanks for the tips. I will try placing the kid on the right, next time.

zem
10-18-2004, 01:46 PM
This will be fun. Let's just hope I will be able to finish it. Having problem with finding internet connections, so posting may become a problem. Hopefully not.

My entry will be called "Bringing the Truth", and the idea is as follows:

In the galaxy of Mernz, two races lived in a fragile peace with each other. The humanoid Thorits and the Aquatic Posids. There was no trust, but there was, more importantly, a treaty.
All the events leading up to the five year war are unclear. What is clear is that a merchant vessle, the spaceship Oroberon, out on a scavange hunt, stumbled onto a fleet of Posidic battleships, preparing themselves for a sneek attack on the Thorit homeworld of Ribla. Oroberon was attacked, but managed to escape only suffering damages on their communication arrays.

Before the damages the crew of Oroberon managed to send a warning, but got only angry replies in return. Merchants, before the war, was considered to be the scum of the galaxy, never to be trusted, selling anything to the highest bidder. No one on Ribla believed them, refering to the treaty.
No longer able to warn their homeworld by radio, it became a race with the Posidic fighters to get to Ribla with the truth, the Oroberons memory box containing footage of the Posidic fleet.

Belltann
10-19-2004, 01:01 AM
Wow Im really looking forward for this pic! Love the story :applause:. So good luck for now!

Johan..out!

zem
10-19-2004, 07:32 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098167525_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098167525_large.jpg)

It's hard to get epic without telling a story, so I made this in a three image collage(?). The images will later flow into each other much better than in this concept. The first image is the escape from the Posidic fleet. The second is fighting to give the truth to the United Council and the last is the four crewmembers who helped save the planet.
Comments?

Oh, thanks Belltann. I'll do my best not to dissapoint you. :) Gscept student?

zem
10-19-2004, 09:10 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098173419_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098173419_large.jpg)

Had some time over and made a small update on the concept.
More detailed spaceships.
More detailed council guards.
The image is suppose to show how two of the council members believe and the middle one disbelieve the information given to them in form of the square box.

Belltann
10-19-2004, 11:45 AM
Oh shit! Your starting to get something here. :) I have to hurry! :eek:

Belltann
10-19-2004, 02:59 PM
Iw got some pics up for show now. :thumbsup:

zem
10-20-2004, 07:17 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098253037_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098253037_large.jpg)

Made a crude design for the merchant vessle. They're scavangers so their ship will be a bit rundown. They also have two different motors. jet engines for air flight and a combined plasma engine for spaceflight. In space both motors are working, though the jet works in a different way.

Belltann
10-20-2004, 11:23 AM
Nice detail with the bolts. :thumbsup:

zem
10-20-2004, 11:34 AM
Thanx, as you may see, I'm going for a cartoon approach. I'm not good enough for realism I guess. I'll stick with what I know for this Challange
I put the bolts in one by one :sad:

zem
10-20-2004, 03:21 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098282087_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098282087_large.jpg)

I have changed my mind. Everybody else was making spacebattles, or so it seemed. Spaceships in space. I went down to the ground with mine, way down. A crashed Spacecruiser on a desert moon. Help is a million miles away.

Squibbit
10-20-2004, 03:24 PM
cool :thumbsup:

zem
10-21-2004, 02:48 PM
Ok, gonna keep this idea and develop it.
I'm calling it "Too close for comfort"

Background: The Spacecruiser SSC Riiber, was the pride of the construction company Buildit, on the planet Herwego. It was the lagest spaceship ever build, made to hold over 100 000 people, visiting green lizardmen and the largest bar in history, ever. It was said that the ship could not crash. Even if it went straight into a comet, due to it's dubbel hull, it would only feel like a slight bump. Clearly someone on the advertisement department had gone a little overboard on this. SSC Riiber went on it's maiden voyage on the fifth of Bir, the worldwide holiday, breaking another record, making the biggest profit in history, even surpassing the yardsale at the mecanical brothel in Uml.

On the sixth of Bir a brief destress call was sent from SSC Riiber, cruising somewhere in the Iceanic system. After that nothing was ever heard about the cruiseship or it's passengers. Rescuemissions was sent out, always coming home emptyhanded. The faith of SSC Riiber is still unknown.

Alice
10-21-2004, 05:09 PM
Lol, nice idea :)
(promise to sneak in leonardo de caprio somewhere!)

Good luck!
/alice

zem
10-22-2004, 06:49 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098424152_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098424152_large.jpg)

So this is the final concept. Will start linework next week.

Ok Alice, I'll put in di Caprio, standing in the stern, with his arms outstreched, screaming "How could the same shit happen to the same guy, twice!"

Belltann
10-22-2004, 11:47 AM
Oh shit! If this is only the consept the it will be fun watching the real thing. :) Ever thought of maby put some peoples on the ridge watching down at the catastroph?

TheTon
10-22-2004, 11:59 AM
Woah Zem! Off to a great start there dude.

Looking forward to the rest! Leonardo and all!!

The Ton

zem
10-22-2004, 12:06 PM
Belltann>> Thanx, man. Good suggestion with adding people on the ridge. I'll do that!

The Ton>>Thanx! Man, I should have kept my mouth shut about the Leonardo thing. :) But I'm a man of my word. Leo is going to appear in the image.

R-K
10-22-2004, 12:32 PM
be sure to concentrate more to color, otherwise, not bad start

element5
10-22-2004, 02:28 PM
good concept, looking forward to the linework

Ultron
10-22-2004, 03:41 PM
I like the Idea - how does it feel to get out a huge starship crashed on a desert planet! Is help coming soon?

Im looking forward to see the result!

SalamanderCoral
10-22-2004, 09:35 PM
hi zem, i like the concept you developed...
good luck

Salamander

DJ-Prismatica
10-23-2004, 08:44 AM
Thats a good start man, thanks for stopping by my thread!

elmasfeo
10-23-2004, 10:00 PM
nice start, zem! I like the idea, hehe:thumbsup:
I agree with the thing about people on the ridge, it's good to make some people bigger than ant-size or the image will become very "distant", like a photograph about something far away that we don't have to care about...I think that if you can see people faces you could identify yourself with them more easily
and I've just thought another thing, maybe it would be better that the planet that is on the sky doesn't look that much like the earth, it would be better if they were far away, lost without any hope of being rescued, not where everybody could see them with a telescope... maybe you could make it more likely to mars or any other planet...saturn is beautiful... just a thought
good luck

zem
10-25-2004, 07:07 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098684445_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098684445_large.jpg)

First lines.

zem
10-25-2004, 07:11 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098684668_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098684668_large.jpg)

More development

zem
10-25-2004, 07:12 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098684768_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098684768_large.jpg)

Even more development.

zem
10-25-2004, 07:20 AM
A little bit of a bulk posting here, but I just wanted to show my progress.

Ranath>> Yep, I'll keep the colormaking til later.

element5>> Thanks! I just realised that the lineworks contains a million small details. This will be hard work.

Ultron>>Thanks!

SalamanderCoral>>Thanks!

DJ-Prismatica>>Thanks, and I'll keep watching. :thumbsup:

Elmasfeo>>Thanks for the tip! I'm will go for a more Saturn look on the planet in the sky.


Thanks for your support people! I'm still working on concept for the people that will be standing on the ridge, so they are not 'lined' in yet.

Squibbit
10-25-2004, 11:12 AM
hey nice going , dude !

I'd add a few big design windows into the tall rear section.
I liked the first windóws better than these , but I'd add the big
windows to those

also little variation in the other window sets would be nice too maybe ?

then that in front of pic is some hill ? u could put people climbing that ?

maybe put meteor showers in the sky to show what grounded the
luxury liner ?

Art2
10-25-2004, 01:17 PM
Hey Zem nice work so far.

I personally would add more damage to the ship. Maybe some torn off wings (wings are fragile :) )
You could experiment with perspective to create more drama.
Hey how about a ravine, the ship stopped in time, with only the nose hanging over the ravine.

Just some ideas.

zem
10-25-2004, 02:58 PM
Thanks for the advice and ideas, guys, I will definately use some of them.

robinayles
10-25-2004, 05:45 PM
With the references to Titanic, should the ship be broken in half? :)

Great start, Zem!

liquidminduk
10-27-2004, 10:16 AM
cool subject, almost like a arc!



I agree, should be split in half!





Liquid

zem
10-27-2004, 12:16 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098875764_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1098875764_large.jpg)

Did a quick doodle based on some of the suggestions I've got. It's not very detailed, but you'll be able to get the basic structures. The black lines on top are a meteor shower, obviously:)

I also added two semi-alien stonemen on the ridge. I thought it would better follow the Space Opera theme, than making them into passangers of the cruiser. One crashed cruiser is not a big deal in the aspect of an entire civilisation. But it is a big deal if they crash on a planet inhabited by stonemen-like aliens. At least for the aliens. For them this would cause a great disturbance, either helping them leap forward in development or destroying them totally. I feel this works better with the grandness of the Space Opera Theme.

please tell me what you think, guys and gals!

elmasfeo
10-27-2004, 08:02 PM
hey zem, I like your last sketch a lot!

maybe I wouldn't have separated the two halves completely, leaving it still joined by some places, but all the damage that you've included looks great to me
The aliens looking it from above is also a good idea, as you say, it is more a big deal

good job, :thumbsup:

zem
10-28-2004, 07:08 AM
maybe I wouldn't have separated the two halves completely, leaving it still joined by some places,
You know, I had the exact same idea last night. So I will stitch it up a bit at the big breaking point. Later I will also add some fire areas, (I realised that if this is an inhabitated planet, air might very well be present.) so the fires and smoke will cover some of the cracks.

Thanks for the kind words, by the way :)

Peddy
10-28-2004, 07:22 AM
its not the titanic: its not sinking into water, its falling from the troposphere! there will be a larger crater and a LOT more damage, especially if it was enough to snap it in two. dont forget the effects: the ship should be on fire or at least smoking from somewhere other than just the engines. think collatoral damage! itll help make the impact appear more severe! and the landing wont be so straight forward if its split in two before it lands. itll be messy and the two halves wont be so lined up. if it splits upon impact, then ignore what i just said.

ok, not that ive put out my crits and comments, this concept is very solid, and im very curious how itll lose or gain impact with a 3 shot series.

hope this all helps.
Pete

zem
11-05-2004, 04:01 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1099670479_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1099670479_large.jpg)

Ok, so I'm pretty tired of the whole lineart thing. I'm quitting that now. Gonna start colouring next. This is the final lineart piece. Any more detail will be in the coloured version.

liquidminduk
11-06-2004, 05:46 AM
its looking good Zem, looks like were both gonna have the same problem of trying to convey emotion in the foreground characters.

Maybe try to show more curiosity to the "Aliens" and see what happens, maybe a little child alien pointing and looking up at one of the larger ones.


Keep it up!


Liquid

zem
11-12-2004, 08:52 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1100249526_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1100249526_large.jpg)

So I've started colouring. The ship will not be this blue in the end. I'm just blocking in the colours.

robinayles
11-12-2004, 11:00 PM
Hi Zem...me likey mucho! I agree about the foreground guys...maybe there could be one or 2 more of them and at least one facing more toward the viewer as though he's looking at his friends in (what? shock, anger, fear, excitement) and we can see his face and reaction?

liquidminduk
11-14-2004, 06:20 AM
getting there Zem, good work, question: why have you masked out the area of the spear on the ship?



Keep it up.



Liquid

afterbang
11-14-2004, 07:01 AM
I'm liking the most recent color scheme that you're experimenting with. I like the clash of the blue steel and the desert grains a lot, and I think the proportions of both compliment each other well.

My only suggestion (and that's all it is, really) is to maybe tone them down a little . . . I dunno, I kinda think a washed-out color pallette will kinda add to the dustiness and vastness of the area. Looks great though, I'm excited to see the final image.

zem
11-15-2004, 08:06 AM
Ok, since a couple of you have suggested a third alien, accually the one that will show some visable emotion, I will make one. I'm thinking a child, holding on to the loincloth of his/her father, checking how the father reacts to the scene. Children often do that you know.:wise:

The masking out of the spear was accually done for you guys and gals. I thought it might look wierd in the first colouring if the aliens hand was just held out into nothing, so I masked the spear so you all could see where it would be.

I agree about the washed out colour scheme. I will tone down the ship in a later wip.

thanks for the comments!

zem
11-19-2004, 07:57 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1100851049_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1100851049_large.jpg)

Added some colour and a third alien. A kid this time. It's still a bit rough. Can't wait til I get to the details. Still got 59 days to go.

robinayles
11-23-2004, 11:26 PM
Hi Zem! What the heck are you doing way back on page 5...count 'em...FIVE?!? I almost couldn't find you.

I like it, but still think that maybe the kid should be on the other side of the adult, looking up at the adult with an expression of either awe, or fear so we get the emotional impact. But just by adding him holding onto Dad is really good! Keep it up, bud!

zem
11-26-2004, 09:01 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1101459675_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/6/3793/3793_1101459675_large.jpg)

Yeah, Robin, I know, I'm slipping. I can now only post on fridays, due to a lack of internet connection.

I tried taking out the third alien, making the image more epic. Do you all think in works? which is better two or three aliens. I think that two enhance the feel of grandness, better then three. Am i right?
Thanks for the tips. I will try placing the kid on the right, next time.

KaleN
11-26-2004, 09:32 AM
NIce idea but, in my opinion, aliens desingns needs more work. Compisition is reaaly epic. I am looking forward to next update!

patina
11-26-2004, 10:18 AM
:scream: Its cool, reminds me of planet of the Apes, thats the thing about Space Opera, the genre is just so big...........



Nice work

Patina!n

robinayles
11-30-2004, 07:46 PM
Hey Zem! I think just 2 of the aliens works fine. Try the positioning thing and see if we can see the kid's face for some emotion. They are also looking kind of flat, they need some more thickness and shading to make them seem more real.

I really like this, please keep going!

liquidminduk
12-01-2004, 10:08 AM
even better, try 1 alien

zem
12-10-2004, 09:10 AM
Well, guys and gals, I'm both happy and sad to have to say this. But I can't finish the challange, because I have got a paying job for two months, and as it is a fixed sum, I will be in crunchmode until the middle of Feb.
This was really fun and I leave you with what I've said to a lot of you: Keep it up!

See you all in feb...or accually write you all in feb...well not ALL as in everyone, more of a those who read this, kind of thing, you know. Ah crap, I ruined that one didn't I...:)

elmasfeo
12-16-2004, 08:51 PM
:sad:

well, see you on Feb, come back to the DSF from time to time :)!

Hillartsympho
12-21-2004, 03:25 PM
nice work, maybe you should use teh blue-grey of the sky for the ship instead of teh saturated blue thats on it now. that might crate more visual unity in the image

.... tips if you intend on continuing the piece later

robinayles
12-22-2004, 03:09 PM
Sorry to hear you won't be finishing the challenge. Maybe you can finish it sometime just for learning and post it in the WIP-2D.

Happy Holidays, Zem - congrats on the paying job! :)

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