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RobertoOrtiz
10-10-2004, 03:04 PM
"Lair of the Black Queen"*
By ROR
Posted Oct 9 am EST
*Lets try something different. Paint this like a painting for a production desing dept for a movie.

Welcome to the cgtalk sketch group.

We will try to post one of these topics once a day for your enjoyment.

These are the rules:
* Post only your FINAL piece on this thread, based on the topic on the thread.
* 640 x 480 / 480 x 640 OR 800 x 600 /600 x 800
* They can be done on any medium.
* If you wish, you can add a brief text description about your piece.
* Only original compositions. No "tributes" or plagiarizing.
* The topics will be posted every day between 10:00 - 12:00 am US EST.
* The artist also has to post total length of time it took (Thanks Clanger for the idea) and program used.
* Only final pieces can be posted on the thread. They must have been done AFTER the topic has been announced.
* Any piece caught breaking the rules will be taken off the thread.
* The topics will be picked at random from the list on this thread
(The author will be given credit). So guys keep them coming.
*You can add multiple entries, but please dont post WIP (Unless you intend to update them). NEW RULE!
* Ill post ANOTHER thread to quantify and track WHO has participated the most on these threads.


Good luck

-Roberto
PS To submit your topic ideas and suggestions go to this thread:
>>Link<< (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145003&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)

catbert
10-10-2004, 03:28 PM
hey roberto, can you start posting the "lets try something diffrent"'s in bright red font?

ElysiumGX
10-10-2004, 03:40 PM
OOOooooh. This should be a challenge for me. :buttrock:

thesuit
10-10-2004, 04:24 PM
oki count me in

Grizzlybrice
10-10-2004, 08:02 PM
http://alchemistfilmworks.com/images/dsg127.jpg
This is what I thought of when I read the 'Film Production Design'
Mainly I thought about what would be used best for color and lighting.
Photoshop 1.2 hours. I think i want to expand on this idea someday. I really like how it came out, all moody and all.

B

ElysiumGX
10-11-2004, 01:46 AM
10 mins Wings 3D for basic shapes and perspective.
1.5 hours photoshop with mouse

http://www.elysiumvisions.com/images/dailysketch/lair.jpg

drawMonger
10-11-2004, 01:47 AM
a quicky...

http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/sg127-blackqueenchamber.gif

painter / 20min

robinayles
10-11-2004, 03:21 AM
All Hail Queen Alice!
1 hr 15 min. PS, Wacom
http://www.k-squared.com/blackqueen.jpg

meta_Nerd
10-11-2004, 05:58 AM
Finally back from vacation....really missed my internet.

OpenCanvas1.1 :: 1hr :: WPE (http://www.monkeyshitfight.com/public/quicksketch/BlackLair2.wpe.rar)
PhotoshopCS :: 15min :: levels, reflections.
========================================
~edited :: gave it a glow +5min OpenCanvas1.1
here is the previous version before the edit (http://www.monkeyshitfight.com/public/quicksketch/BlackLair3.jpg)
http://www.monkeyshitfight.com/public/quicksketch/BlackLair2.jpg
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GrizzlyBrice :: I like it a lot. The only thing I would change is to make the queen look more like a female. It kinda looks like it has a beard or something. Maybe some breast highlights would help.
ElysiumGX :: Nice,,,, a mouse....thats tough.
DrawMonger :: sketch looks great.
robinayles :: Funny.

drawMonger
10-11-2004, 10:06 AM
had some time tonight so did another one...sorry, not in the theme of a movie set.

http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/sg127-blackqueen.gif

painter / ps / 2hrs30

Used a ref for the big cat from an amazing book i picked up recently called 'the animal art of Bob Kuhn' ... i think my first cat ever!

Art2
10-11-2004, 10:22 AM
Sorry, only had time for the queen...
(you could see it as a production design for a very dull throne :scream: )

PainterIX, phshop, 2,5h

http://www.empa.tv/marlon/sketch44.jpg

cheers guys!

drawMonger
10-11-2004, 11:12 AM
Art2, fantastic lighting!! what do you think of painter 9?

Taron333
10-11-2004, 11:17 AM
Art2, man, I'm sorry, please forgive me, but what the heck...this is the best piece I've seen from you so far....this is absolutley positively outstandingly brilliant!

What the hell!

C'mon...tell us something more about it! It's just too brilliant really! Brilliant style, brilliant execution, brilliant posture....I'm fcking blown away!

Taron333
10-11-2004, 11:39 AM
8min/openCanvas1.1
http://www.taron.de/Storage/Images/2d_sketches/BlackQueen.jpg

Art2
10-11-2004, 11:54 AM
Thanks guys! That's too much praise really, I'm blushing...
I still have lots to learn regarding light.

Drawmonger: I have Painter8, this I made with the demo of 9. What really stood out is the speed. In my eyes worth the 147euro upgrade. So I'll be upgrading soon :)
At the surface it just looks like 8, but I haven't explored every bit of it yet.
I heared Ryan Church finally switched from version 6 to 9, because he thought it was worth it. That's gotta mean something, heh?

Taron: dude, what's there to tell? I wanted to make a black queen, the rest I decided to make up as I went. The canvas was a lot bigger than what you see now. But I just didn't have the time to complete the rest of the room. I definately wanted to add volumetric lighting, because I thought I should push my boundries. Just curious if I could pull it off.
I wasn't satisfied with the final result in Painter, so I called in the help of Phshop. Played with the levels a bit and achieved the final result.

Still feels a bit like cheating really :(

Cheers fellas! :beer:

Taron: 8min :eek:? Sillhouettes are fun, aren't they.

Taron333
10-11-2004, 12:32 PM
HAHAHA...I think Ryan just switched, because he doesn't have to "register" his layers over top of eachother after copying them anyway.....dear god...that little thing made me disrespect painter even more....by now I also believe it may be a great piece, but I'm still not really comfortable with it....havn't checked out how to tie brushes to keys and such things...without it, it's just not enough like painting, but rather like handling the interface with occasional paintstrokes. I'd love to get some tips there....

However, Art2, your volumetric light ain't it at all...it's the shape and lighting on the character that is so pretty and full of style. Whereby the light kind of works, it still is a bit funky. The chair also has some funky parts...the legs at the bottom look nearly copied from one side to the other and suggest orthographic perspective...strange...I would prefer a bit more dimensionality....it's really the figure that brings it home...love all of it...except the foot is too small.... GREAT WORK!

captain chapo
10-11-2004, 03:21 PM
oh yeh i tried posting this last nite bute cgtalk was down and then y'know i forgot about it. any adivce on how i could have done the lighting better? or added another color some how? something bugs me about it...it needs more.
20mins PS/wacom.

http://www.thedonksquad.com/cgtalk/blackqueen.jpg

Art2
10-11-2004, 03:45 PM
Taron, the things that bugs you, bugs me too, good job on that buddy.
Thanks for the feedback!

Cyanid
10-11-2004, 05:14 PM
http://bushido.boonzaayer.nl/lair.jpg
20 mins PSP.... no time ...
nice one art2 :thumbsup:

Vitriolic
10-11-2004, 05:43 PM
2hrs, Photoshop + Wacom

http://img46.exs.cx/img46/662/sketch_lair.jpg

S-Designs
10-11-2004, 06:09 PM
30min, PSP, wacom

http://takkie.kicks-ass.org/Stephan/heks2.jpg

Jasel
10-11-2004, 08:13 PM
Photoshop/Wacom/1 hour

http://img58.exs.cx/img58/8219/Lair.jpg

Vitriolic: That's great, I can feel the energy...
Taron: Wow! She seems to be saying: "come to me...", yet you know she's dangerous (and 8 minutes?)
Art2: Great Pose!

SalamanderCoral
10-11-2004, 08:58 PM
1.5 h, wacom, photoshop and painter
------------------------------------

http://www.mathias-huber.com/images/lair_of_the_black_queen.jpg

with kind regards
Salamander

erilaz
10-11-2004, 11:17 PM
Great work SalamanderCoral. You really get the feeling some bad mojo is about to go down!:D

Ronski
10-11-2004, 11:38 PM
1 hr 40mins Painter/Wacom with Reference
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/kieronh/DSG/Lair-of-the-Black-Queen.jpg

This one went through quite a few versions, not if this was the best. That's the hardest thing to do I think, knowing when to stop working on the picture. Still so much to learn agggh.

Nice work everyone :thumbsup:

Cheers,
Kieron

MathieuBertrand
10-11-2004, 11:49 PM
didnt read the that part about prod. design until after i finished...anyways instead of using a pencil and paper i decided to do the outline with a pen, scan it, then add color in photoshop...with a mouse, i dont have a wacom...http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon9.gif...this is what i got...

(the ants are suppose to be black...oops)

http://www.pheonix3.net/ants.jpg

chrischun21
10-12-2004, 12:09 AM
Art2 (http://www.cgtalk.com/member.php?u=39660) vbmenu_register("postmenu_1632259", true); Great composition, love the pose mate. She could sit on my throne anyday.

Taron333
10-12-2004, 02:31 AM
1h/openCanvas1.1
http://www.taron.de/Storage/Images/2d_sketches/BlackQueenLair.jpg

bloody joy
10-12-2004, 06:13 AM
3h photoshop+wacom
If you see nothing increase the brightness of your screen.
The light of your last pic is very beautiful, Taron333.

http://bloodyjoy.jexiste.fr/portfolio/pics/2D/cg/black_queen.jpg

Sagii
10-12-2004, 02:13 PM
Hm wow 1 hour and 30 mintues, I had envisioned something very different, but it came out like this... hm, as always I have problems with backrounds, that is what I will have to learn to do,,, tips>? etc for better backrounds?
thanks

http://pages.ivillage.com/cgsketch//darkqueendarklayer.jpg

Sagii
10-12-2004, 02:41 PM
30 mintues more, playing around with backround. I decided tojust make it a solid color, and then add more columns so it would nto look so empty. then play some with lighting, its not perfect far from it, but I think it looks better than the first backround.

http://pages.ivillage.com/cgsketch//darkqueendarklayer1.jpg

captain chapo
10-12-2004, 03:40 PM
wow sagi_13! that has got to be one of the, if not the, best of your works i've seen...great job! those columns look awesome!

Sagii
10-12-2004, 04:52 PM
thank you captain, i am glad I changed the backround, because the first one was definetly not working, I am glad I discovered the wonders of the burn and dodge tool for highlights and shadows,
:) thank you!

Incredible work as always everyone... someday I will catch up to your level!

meta_Nerd
10-12-2004, 05:51 PM
wow post a quicky on a seemingly dead thread, and booom. Now I come back and see all of the great work. I need to do another one so I don't feel so emabarrased. :sad: awe shucks!


cyanide - 20min, just amazing. Man I would love to see this with opencanvas so we could see the event file.
vitrolic - Most energetic one of the bunch.
jasel - well done.
Kieronh - reminds me of world of tomorrow. looks very large.
taron - so soft, feels kind of like the inside of a body or something. fantastic.
bloody joy - very nice, reminds me of a mike hussar painting...I've been so into this guys work I think yours is my favorite today. very nice.

meta_Nerd
10-12-2004, 07:57 PM
still doesn't compare, but at least I feel better about it.

OpenCanvas1.1 :: 40min :: wpe (http://www.monkeyshitfight.com/public/quicksketch/BlackLair3a.wpe.rar)
http://www.monkeyshitfight.com/public/quicksketch/BlackLair3a.jpg

SalamanderCoral
10-13-2004, 12:19 AM
@erilaz (http://www.cgtalk.com/member.php?u=6001): thank you man, i'm pleased that you like the pic... what a pity that it turned out a bit to small, i can hardly see the queen...:sad:

taron, wow, i like both sketches of you very much, though the second one is really awesome!!! great work :applause:

with kind regards
Salamander

iamintricate
10-13-2004, 12:22 AM
tis late but i REALLY wanted to do this one for some reason...

PS - 2hr

http://r3studios.com/yawn/intricatesketch_54.jpg

Gekido
10-13-2004, 04:35 AM
I did so much tweaking on this, but it doesn't seem to have come out right. I think it lacks "depth"...any tips?
1 hour Photoshop 7.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/Cheesypete/blacklair.jpg

nilk narf
10-13-2004, 07:52 PM
LAIR OF THE BLACK QUEEN; 1 1/2 HR; AI:
http://home.earthlink.net/~margoalexander/witch.jpg

Keem
10-14-2004, 03:14 PM
Hi there..
This the First time i participate in this sort of competetion, and i am glad to.

Really Black Queen is Very inspiring, actually it seems to bring alot of dark images to ur mind, but as for me , i want to add a twist.

tools: Pensil Sketch for now, about to be colored using Adobe Photoshop
the idea and the scene took like 40 min, sketching took like 35 min

...Keem

Ilikesoup
10-14-2004, 05:18 PM
I did so much tweaking on this, but it doesn't seem to have come out right. I think it lacks "depth"...any tips?
1 hour Photoshop 7.
I think you just need more contrast between your light and dark areas. If you're drawing entirely in grayscale, the extreme foreground (the mouth of the cave) should be mostly white with flecks of black and gray to provide texture. The walls of the cave would have less white and more black as you progress into the tunnel since there would be less and less direct light. I like how your spider blends into the dark background. Creepy!

Keem -- Great work! I love that you borrowed the languid "send him away" pose. Great composition & perspective.

Keem
10-15-2004, 02:31 PM
http://www.keemz.com/uploads/Blackqueensketch-keem.JPG
1:30 min more of coloring and computer work, colored on Photoshop

i really liked that theme and i think i am gonna fully color this sketch, may be do some color changes too , any way its just a sketch!

...Keem www.keemz.com

Ilikesoup
10-15-2004, 04:25 PM
Keem -- the light from the tv looks too intense, like she's staring into a floodlight. I'd suggest a light blue glow along the edges of the tv screen and a similar highlight to characters or items in front of it. BTW, I'm not a mod or anything but you should probably start a new thread for this project in the WIP section. :)

Keem
10-15-2004, 06:47 PM
Keem -- the light from the tv looks too intense, like she's staring into a floodlight. I'd suggest a light blue glow along the edges of the tv screen and a similar highlight to characters or items in front of it. BTW, I'm not a mod or anything but you should probably start a new thread for this project in the WIP section. :)

ur absolutely right, i agree with ur openion, and actually i was just tracng my light so that i can trace my high lights and my shadows, actually i am working on it so that i can finalize it and post it in the Galleries and on my website too.
and thanx 4 the advice

Cyanid
10-16-2004, 02:58 PM
cyanide - 20min, just amazing. Man I would love to see this with opencanvas so we could see the event file.


Well I am not good with OC.... I am too lazy too experience with it
however, this piece was made only with round hardedged brushes opacity 100% and 50%
just scratching around ^^

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