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webshot
10-08-2004, 05:05 PM
Please excuse my ignorance. But I am curious about f-prime and g2. It seems like g2 is fprime and steroids. But what I was wondering if a person has f-prime do the necessarily need g2? ANd where does g2 pick up where fprime leaves off. I am using my brothers fprime which blows away viper. But I am just confused as to the differences and uses. Could someone provide a little clarity? Keep in mind I am not completely new but not quite a pro either. I snooped around the Worley site but it did not really clear things up for me.

Para
10-08-2004, 05:07 PM
Well, basically G2 is hypercomplex shader and FPrime is VIPER on steroids so you're on the right tracks with your assumptions. G2 works within LW's native renderer, FPrime is a "standalone" renderer (but still only a plugin).

webshot
10-08-2004, 05:20 PM
So if I were tweaking a scene like moving lights and seeing my changes in fprime, would you also have a g2 window open and be seeing changes there as well? Would you use them both at the same time essentially?

Para
10-08-2004, 05:26 PM
Now that was a bit trickier question. I don't know if they really work together fine or not but I think it'd be quite possible to do what you said. Of course the limitations of both (FPrime can't render shaders and volumetrics, G2...well, it couldn't do something which I don't remember right now :)) may cause a confusion while editing but if you find that way of working most productive then just go for it.

webshot
10-08-2004, 05:57 PM
I dont own g2 and I am borrowing fprime. So my questions are more for clarity than workflow. I just hear so much about the 2 tools I just want to understand ther usage in other folks pipeline I guess.

Carm3D
10-08-2004, 08:39 PM
G2 and FPrime do not (currently) work together. FPrime can only render a native Lightwave scene.

G2 adds advanced surfacing and lighting controls with near-realtime preview of lighting and surfacing only based on a previously rendered image. G2 uses an object's normals to let the user move a light around and see the render update it real time (not including shadows).

FPrime gives near-realtime preview of anything Lightwave does (based on very efficient multi-pass rendering).

FPrime renders radiosity stuff faster than Lightwave, but I don't think it renders normal scenes much faster than LW. I don't have FPrime but I use G2 daily and love it.

leigh
10-08-2004, 09:45 PM
How do you "borrow" FPrime when it's licensed to a specific dongle? :surprised

Anyhoo, as people have already mentioned, they are two different things, and unfortunately right now they cannot work together (due to limitations in LightWave's SDK, no shaders work with FPrime).

G2 works quite differently to FPrime, and offers a different toolset. While it did indeed have a great previewing system, it also offers a vast array of advanced shading and lighting options.

webshot
10-08-2004, 11:39 PM
I am using my brothers lw 8 set up when at his house. that is how. Me personally I own LW7.5 but dont have all the nice trimmings my brother has.

Thanks ya'll for the clarification. It was just something that was on my mind.

Surrealismistique
10-10-2004, 12:08 AM
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webshot
10-10-2004, 12:45 AM
You know what I am not going to even dignify your slanderous post with a response. And people that live in glass houses should never throw stones. But if any mod questions the authenticity of any software I use and post about, I can easily prove that I or my brother is licensed owners of any software that I have mentioned.

Actually I think I will respond. Your a moron for that post, Jacka$$.

Surrealismistique
10-10-2004, 01:05 AM
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webshot
10-10-2004, 01:09 AM
ok you have issues, and a forum wont solve them. Maybe you should try a life. Hopefully you will be banned.

Surrealismistique
10-10-2004, 01:22 AM
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webshot
10-10-2004, 01:25 AM
lol.......I can prove my software is legit. Can you? And you wont get a rise out of me (I am young but not immature). I am sticking around long enough for a mod/admin to see your (un-warranted) antics.

Personne
10-10-2004, 01:47 AM
Excuse my ignorance in english Surrealismistique but what do you mean by "Warez Alert! "

thomasvandenabeele
10-10-2004, 01:52 AM
oh boy. Please shut down this now pathetic thread.

Surrealismistique
10-10-2004, 12:59 PM
Excuse my ignorance in english Surrealismistique but what do you mean by "Warez Alert! "
It's pirated software. Cracked, stolen, keygened etc, free...

leigh
10-10-2004, 04:16 PM
I am using my brothers lw 8 set up when at his house. that is how.
I think he explained it perfectly well here.

webshot
10-10-2004, 05:12 PM
Thanks shade01 and leigh. Not sure why this dude woke up and wanted to mess with me.

BTW leigh your book is awesome. My local Barnes and Noble finally got it in. I did not buy it yet but I read like half of it.

leigh
10-10-2004, 10:12 PM
Thanks! :) I hope you learned something from the half that you read :D

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