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RobertoOrtiz
10-01-2004, 04:10 PM
"Age of exploration"
By Ilikesoup
Posted Oct 1 am EST


Welcome to the cgtalk sketch group.

We will try to post one of these topics once a day for your enjoyment.

These are the rules:
* Post only your FINAL piece on this thread, based on the topic on the thread.
* 640 x 480 / 480 x 640 OR 800 x 600 /600 x 800
* They can be done on any medium.
* If you wish, you can add a brief text description about your piece.
* Only original compositions. No "tributes" or plagiarizing.
* The topics will be posted every day between 10:00 - 12:00 am US EST.
* The artist also has to post total length of time it took (Thanks Clanger for the idea) and program used.
* Only final pieces can be posted on the thread. They must have been done AFTER the topic has been announced.
* Any piece caught breaking the rules will be taken off the thread.
* The topics will be picked at random from the list on this thread
(The author will be given credit). So guys keep them coming.
*You can add multiple entries, but please dont post WIP (Unless you intend to update them). NEW RULE!
* Ill post ANOTHER thread to quantify and track WHO has participated the most on these threads.


Good luck

-Roberto
PS To submit your topic ideas and suggestions go to this thread:
>>Link<< (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145003&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)

Garma
10-01-2004, 04:33 PM
Ey cool topic. Should bring up some cool entries

elmasfeo
10-01-2004, 06:01 PM
Seems like I'm the first one...

Today I tried the trial version of OpenCanvas, and after 1h or so I discovered that I couldn't save files, so this is just a screen capture... I found opencanvas really interesting, I like it, and I would like it even more if I could save files, hehehe...

http://gaitasfritas.250free.com/descubrimiento.JPG

h311fire
10-01-2004, 06:47 PM
erm i'm a new user and i would like to know how to upload the images to the forum :P

kelvin

h311fire
10-01-2004, 06:57 PM
first time posting to a thread this was done in freehand MX in 30 minutes

Matt_Forcum
10-01-2004, 07:49 PM
Hey gang,

I fell off of the planet for a while there but now I am back.

Here is todays entry: Photoshop, 45 minutes, mouse.
http://www.rocketseason.com/daily_sketch/age_of_exploration.jpg

Waugh
10-01-2004, 07:53 PM
Hey.
I guess I may have kinda slightly distorted the original idea, but anyway, here is my contribution :)
About one hour and a half, using Photoshop and a Wacom.

Waugh!
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/yann.pannetier/cgtalk/Age_of_Exploration.jpg

Matt_Forcum
10-01-2004, 08:06 PM
why do my pictures always look so much brighter in the internet explorer window then they do on my machine?

Baramin
10-01-2004, 08:24 PM
Well, time to bring that thread's quality level down a bit...

http://lygio.free.fr/oc/babywalk.jpg
Here's mine.
a lot of "first times" for me :
* It's the first time I post a drawing here
* it's the first time I paint using my brand new wacom A6
* and I guess I can say : it's the first time I try to "paint"... As last time I tried to, it meant drawing small squares and cubes while talking on the phone. Got no training whatsoever and am just trying to learn by watching you draw thanks to the WPEs you post.

Hence why I've decided to post a wpe everytime I post a drawing made with OC, who knows, it might interest someone someday :). Here's the wpe for babywalk (http://lygio.free.fr/oc/babywalk.wpe)

That's why I hope you don't mind me using these wonderful sketch of the day threads to start learning how to paint.

before I forget : openCanvas 1.1, Wacom graphire 3, about 15mn, and some guts to dare posting that in a thread frequented by so many talented artists (Taron, Goro, Supervlieg, Chris, etc... too many to name them all, I've been lurking for weeks admiring what you people are able to make with a wacom and 1h of your time and talent, but you showed me a good reason to at least TRY :) )

Last point, english's not my mother tongue, so if I write something you don't understand, it's probably because I confonded 2 words :)

Matt_Forcum
10-01-2004, 08:57 PM
excellent first try Baramin! keep doing one a day! practice makes perfect!

Taron333
10-01-2004, 09:01 PM
1.5h/openCanvas1.1

genetics...
http://www.taron.de/Storage/Images/2d_sketches/Exploration.jpgHey Baramin, looking at your first run I must say it seems nearly unlikely that you were just doing telephone-doodles before. It's a great demonstration of talent for that reason and I'm excited to see you explore and grow here as well. :thumbsup:

robinayles
10-01-2004, 09:30 PM
h311fire (Kelvin) - It looks like you are still having trouble. You need a place on the internet to upload your files to (ftp them to). Then you insert the picture in your post by using the picture icon (yellow with mountain above) and enter the URL of the location where you put your file.
Also, just to make sure you know...your first 5 posts will be reviewed before they post.

elmasfeo - I love it! I went to Spain and Portugal a couple years ago and found fascinating all the history of the great Spanish and Portugese explorers. I didn't know till then that almost all of them set sail for the "New World" from Lisbon. They have a fabulous monument to the exploers there!:)

Ephesus - really nice work!
Waugh - I was thinking along similar lines, now I have to come up with something else. REally like how you handled the topic!
Baramin - really good first post/paint! This thread is for just what you are saying, practice and feedback. I'd say you have an excellent start, just keep working to strengthen your skills and sharpen your edges, etc. Also, your English is VERY good - far better than my French (I really don't speak French at ALL) Good job!:thumbsup:

Taron333 - WOW! You really knocked my socks off with this one! I keep looking at it and looking at it. Just amazing! I love the "reflections in the glass" effect you did and the puzzled look of the scientists. I bow down with humble respect at your greatness!! :applause:

Jasel
10-01-2004, 10:01 PM
This topic reminded me of cats and their curiosity, especially when they're very young. So here's my image. Photoshop/Wacom/2.5 hours (reference used for the cat's face and the butterfly):

http://img72.exs.cx/img72/4964/Kitty.jpg

Hehe Waugh, I had also thought of something along the same lines, but dropped it...

Ephesus, love that picture, so simple, yet it conveys such a sense of scale. And Taron333, what can I say...:bowdown:

El más feo (si sos así de feo? ;) ), I wonder what they're gonna find when they come ashore... and how everything is going to look 500 years later ;)

Baramin, nice first try... I'm also in the same situation as you, trying to get the hang of this digital painting...

Cyanid
10-01-2004, 11:02 PM
1 hour PSP Wacom
http://bushido.boonzaayer.nl/boot.jpg

Nice entries so far.
Taron: nice reflections, well done :applause:
Jasel: I like the composition, nice pussy
Elmasfeo:nice boat, we were thinking the same way I guess...
Waugh: hehe I like the boy's expression
Epheseus: Cool idea, nice ship. I like the background. Good job.
Baramin: Nice idea, welcome aboard :D

Taron333
10-01-2004, 11:05 PM
You guys!:blush:
:beer:

Waugh
10-01-2004, 11:09 PM
Hey Cyanid,

Amazing light work... I'm in awe.
Wow...

malcolmvexxed
10-02-2004, 12:50 AM
Great pics Tarron and Cyanid. PS 40 mins.

thebigxer
10-02-2004, 03:05 AM
http://www.tbxr.com/crap/expore.jpgabout 30 mins

Ilikesoup
10-02-2004, 04:37 AM
Hey, it's my topic!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/ilikesoup2/Columbus.jpg

2hrs, wacom + ps
I used a pic for basic reference for costume and the ship but didn't follow too closely. It really helped with the sky (it's not always blue!) Anyway, I like the irony of Columbus discovering an already populated land. What must the natives have thought? ;)

robinayles
10-02-2004, 05:00 AM
Lots of New World explorer types today...mine is Amerigo Vespucci. Used pic for reference, sketch about 30 min, then took forever in painting...about 3 hours!
http://www.k-squared.com/amerigo.jpg

roozelle
10-02-2004, 05:34 AM
Pencil / Pen / Paper / Wacom / Photoshop 2 hrs.

http://www.nortonhome.net/images/GrshprBoy.jpg

robinayles - nice work! you are getting better.
Taron333 - brilliant!

Garma
10-02-2004, 08:38 AM
I had a lot of fun doing this one. One can see influences from myst (the original, I remember this "age" where one had to cross several islands with these wheels and stuff)

comments appreciated. I really need to work on my figure drawing skills since they keep sucking. Any tips on good sources?

http://oli.tudelft.nl/csr/huizen/hg/tdg/118_ageofexploration.jpg

really great work so far guys

C&C:

elmasfeo: yea I never figured out what people liked about opencanvas. Guess I've been too long into photoshop. However I've heard that 1.1 is great on it's own, you should try that one, it's free. Still a nice piece you got there.

Ephesus: Nice to have you back. With an excellent piece, especially for a mouse drawing.

Waugh: Hehe. Never met girls like that. A boys dream maybe :)

Baramin: Heya welcome! Don' hesitate to join in, you shoulda see my first sketches, only 2 months ago. this place is to learn! nice colors you got there

Taron: what to say, it's all been said. Awesome. However one thing is "bugging" me with your pictures. You always draw very strong and small highlights, making the skins of your characters look very wet or plastic. Is that intentionally? However since this is a mutant it fits this pic quite nice actually.

JAsel nice :) the paw of the cat is somewhat strange

CYanid: You're great with creating moody pictures with very little. Awesome mood, very threatening

Malcolm: you know that could've been my granddad :)

thebigxter: good ol' paperwork isn't it?

Ilikesoup: classical literal interpretation. nice.

robinayles: why did the coloring take you so long? the lines are quite nice.

roozelle: great. love that expression. Reminds me of my lil bro :)

Art2
10-02-2004, 08:46 AM
Hi Garma, you could start by looking here http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14035

hopes this helps.

Taron333
10-02-2004, 08:58 AM
Hey Gamma, what shall I say, I'm exploring myself and I basically challenge myself in finding those highlights. They accentuate the shape in a level that flat lighting simply doesn't provide, so it's almost like a self-guidance system....I might be a bit too highlight happy, but as my work matures hopefully so will I...hehe...thanx for the reminder! Ultimatively any surface that is not entirely dry or diffused has some type of reflective forwarding for lightsources that hit it, the only real problem as you have mentioned it too is the sharpness of the highlights....spreading them more out and having them a bit dimmer will probably be the next big step.

Thanx again!:thumbsup:

Lonely Pixel
10-02-2004, 11:47 AM
Hi there Garma! :D I like your use of intense colors. I'm not a great artist myself but I do think I have a little tip for you; You might want to try to add a little white/blueish fade over the island, to create an atmoshperic perspective (atmosferisch perspectief in dutch, hehe).

The basics of atmospheric perspective are just to indicate the foggy look that falls over mountains or other objects far away. I'll post an example >>

http://members.home.nl/jrch/IMG_1001.jpg

MVP
10-02-2004, 12:19 PM
Good work as always all.
Heres mine - just a quickie. 10mins - pencil.
http://mattyv.f2s.com/index16.jpg

Garma
10-02-2004, 12:24 PM
Lonely Pixel: THanks for the tip :) usually I do pay attention to distance fog (haze), I totally forgot about it this morning. thanks again

TheTon
10-02-2004, 01:19 PM
V funny MVP... Although I was gonna do something EXACTLY the same!!

Great minds think alike eh pal?

Hey Everyone, I wanna try this infamous "Open Canvas" stuff out for myself... Is there a Mac version?

Ilikesoup
10-02-2004, 01:30 PM
comments appreciated. I really need to work on my figure drawing skills since they keep sucking. Any tips on good sources?
Garma, you're always so hard on yourself! Anyway, here are a few tips that I hope aren't too elementary--

Blocking out figures: First thing I do when blocking out a person is to draw a stick figure, paying special attention to shoulders and hips (proportion and angle), arms and legs (length, angle, relation to each other if walking, etc) and finally knees and feet (should point in same direction). Your girl's left arm looks shorter than her right, but might be my perspective. Also, her hips look narrower than her shoulders. These are the kinds of adjustments I'd make before I fatten my person up.

Highlights, shadows and wrinkles in clothing: Since some poses make details like the bend of a leg obscure, I try to use highlight and shadow to help clarify that. For example, your woman's left leg looked shorter than her right at first glance until I noticed it's bent at the knee and her foot's on the beam. A bit more of an angle to her left thigh would help, but especially a highlight thick at her butt and tapering toward her knee would make that much clearer. Plus, a few small horizontal lines to indicate a gathering of fabric at her knee would be a nice finishing touch. I think you did a very nice job with highlights on her hair, but left her body unfinished--I often overdo my highlights, but I like to show the line of (at least one side) the body clearly so that the pose is more readable.

BTW, if ref books are your thing I really like Jack Hamm's Drawing the Head & Figure as a reference. Hope that's helpful !

Garma
10-02-2004, 02:02 PM
ilikesoup: thanks, that's helpful for sure. I'll try to implement the advices in my next sketches.

I just ordered 2 figure drawing books (like 10 minutes ago), after checkin out some threads in the GD. I tried to add your suggestion since I own environment drawing by jack hamm, which is also excellent, but they were already preparing my shipment so I was too late.

Also the Loomis books are rolling out of my printer right now. I finally got my hands on a pdf version! If anyone is interested I'll share it.

I've heard of the stick figure method, I'm definately gonna try that out.

Art2: thanks for the tip, they are on my HD now, I'll check them out.

robinayles
10-02-2004, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Garma
robinayles: why did the coloring take you so long? the lines are quite nice.
Thank you, it took so long because I was watching Jay Leno and Conan o'Brian while working. So it probably didn't take that long. Plus I almost always start by doing things the hard way, then a lightbulb goes on and I realize there's a much easier way. I guess I'm a poster child for attention deficit disorder! :) Also - yes, please do post a link to the Loomis pdf doc.

Thanks roozelle! I love your style and always enjoy your entries!

ilikesoup: some really great tips - I would add that the left arm of the figure is too small as it tapers towards the end. Yes, things in the distance appear smaller, but it is too much smaller and looks a little odd, especially that there is no shape to the hand. If you follow the same suggestions as ilikesoup gave on the leg and apply it to the arm, it will help a lot. I agree that you are far too hard on yourself. Its a really nice sketch and I love the Myst feel to it!
Something else I learned to do with drawing bodies, instead of using stick figues, use differing shapes of ovals to give a rough shape to the body. Here is a quick sample...
http://www.k-squared.com/ovals.jpg

Cyanid
10-02-2004, 03:51 PM
tnx for the cute words :thumbsup:

that conceptart.org tuts are very helpfull, tnx

Noc
10-02-2004, 05:52 PM
there is a ton of different ways to do figure drawing, but blocking out and sand bagging are the most effective... I strongly suggeest picking up the villpu books if u want some good figure drawing books..

commodore
10-02-2004, 06:03 PM
Learn from Andrew Loomis books. I've downloaded one. http://www.saveloomis.org/

meta_Nerd
10-02-2004, 08:10 PM
OK.. I saw some posts here and am not too sure where they started but I did see some things that I would like to speak on.

These are some simple Ideas to keep in mind when drawing in general, but it also applies to figures.

try to stay away from cylinders or spheres when laying in forms. (Unless you place axis lines).
Remember that these shapes have no true directions in space. Use a box. that way you can distinguish your sides, and most people have a much easier time keeping them in perspective.
(you can lay a box in lightly and then always draw a cylinder later for your lighting)

Another very valuable thing to remember is that unless you know exactly what you are drawing you cannot consistently make it work. So just study a little bit about anatomy. ( I know that this is a huge never-ending journey, but I assure you that if you are going to be drawing figures for the rest of your life...it will pay off).

And all the books on figure drawing will never compare to the experience of drawing from a real human model. Like I said in the last paragraph, you need to know what you are drawing. If you don't have the model right in front of you, and the lights around you , you cannot really understand and explore what you see.

I am not saying that you shouldn't read books. They are sometimes the only source of information we have....especially anatomy. But often I see artist draw and learn something that may or may not be accurate. Just remember a book can save you time as far as what to look for, or think about. but it cannot replace experience.

when you study human proportion: I highly recommend Robert Beverly Hales method.
He uses structural (bone) landmarks to define proportions. Where many books use body parts such as nipples and navals. Well .... We all know that those proportions can change with age and McDonalds.

The final goal of learning figure drawing...at least for most artists....would be to generate believable bodies (monster/human/animal) with pure knowlege. I mean who wants to hire a model every time you want to draw a realistic person. And as far as monsters go....that is just to dangerous to have in the house!!!

Hope this helps

If I missed anything or raised any questions, feel free to ask ?

DreamMaster
10-02-2004, 09:40 PM
Sorry I know I'm late.. couldn't get online again last night after painting this picture yesterday! >_<

Painter XI trial... 1 hour? It's about an eagle having an exploration of age (future). :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/dm7755/burstofsun2.jpg

Ronski
10-02-2004, 10:39 PM
just a quick sketch from me, 5mins pencil/paper
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/kieronh/DSG/age-of-exploration2.jpg

nilk narf
10-02-2004, 11:37 PM
Pencil / Pen / Paper / Wacom / Photoshop 2 hrs.

http://www.nortonhome.net/images/GrshprBoy.jpg

robinayles - nice work! you are getting better.
Taron333 - brilliant!

I love this pic for some reason. :D

Ronski
10-02-2004, 11:44 PM
and another one, 15mins pencil/paper
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/kieronh/DSG/age-of-exploration.jpg

drawMonger
10-03-2004, 03:04 PM
something different from me on this one...

http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/sg117-explorer.jpg

maya / painter / ps / 3hrs

i did a quick model for the ship with primitive shapes and painted over it. The planet is just a couple of spheres with textures done in painter.

edit: minor colour correction...it was really bugging me!

BadPenny
10-03-2004, 03:27 PM
ok, heres my entry even if i am a little late.
Done with ps and wacom.It took something like 4 hours:banghead: .Damn i still need to be quicker!

Anyway here it is:
http://www.kome.it/andrea/age_of_exploration.jpg

Telemaco
10-03-2004, 05:53 PM
"In the sky"

One hour and a half, oil over canvas background, ps&wacom starship.

http://www.akenar.com/Sketches/Images/sk039.jpg

Telémaco

Phade
10-03-2004, 07:02 PM
http://crystalynstorm.com/cgt_dsg/100104.jpg

painter
?<90min

Telemaco - That burst of flame really jumps off the page !

-Andy- - nice detail. especially the water section. The way you've got the reflections and ripples going off is wonderful.

drawMonger - cool concept ship, I like the planet even more. Great texture work.

Kieronh - Fast, loose concepts :thumbsup:

DreamMaster - I really dig those colors, and the them is great. I have to ask though; who's time machine are you using to get the "Painter XI trial" - and can I have a ride? I'd love to at least get my hands on Painter 10 before 9 is released :D

CrackDown
10-04-2004, 07:43 PM
Well this is my first attempt at anything substantial in 2D (photoshop) as you can tell. I just hope to improve to the level of you guys.

2 hours(ish)


http://www.orangelight.co.uk/ageofexploration.jpg

Taron333
10-05-2004, 07:46 PM
Ehh....great work everybody...I will post some stuff for Chris now...he's enjoying himself away from any internet...

meta_Nerd
10-05-2004, 07:49 PM
in the name of Meta_Nerd....I'm emergency posting his stuff for him...of course I could pretent now to be him, yet, I feel obligated to be clear about this....cut off from civilization, Chris gives you this:

about 2h/openCanvas1.1 - W P E (http://www.monkeyshitfight.com/public/quicksketch/Exploration_01.rar)
http://www.monkeyshitfight.com/public/quicksketch/Exploration_01.jpg

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