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Gabe
09-23-2004, 08:48 AM
I started this model a while ago, but then I never finished it. Now I've started up on it again and I'll need some critiques.

The goal for this project is to make it look as photoreal as possible.

I'm using poly modeling in 3ds max 5.

You can view other WIP shots of the model here...

http://www.redrival.com/talon/motaro-wip.

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EDIT
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Most of the old WIP shots have been removed. I will only post the current model and replace the old images with the new ones.


This is the most recent update image for the model.

http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro45.jpg

plaguelord
09-24-2004, 05:22 AM
looks very good, by now the only critic is the stomach area, the abdominals look a little boxy. I like the head.

Gabe
09-24-2004, 05:30 AM
Yeah, I'm going to randomize the model when I finish it with soft select. I already did a small test with it and it looks pretty good.

Not boxy :thumbsup:

Thanks

hh_kiki
09-26-2004, 02:22 AM
The horns seem to go out a bit much, giving a kind of silly pigtails or big ears look. I think they would look more threatening if they went back much more. Most predators have a very aerodynamic look, plus its more dramatic.

Gabe
09-28-2004, 08:53 AM
I made his neck a bit longer

made his abs stick out a little more instead of going in like before.

Added some hands

Started work on the lower body

Made the legs longer

Attached the torso and legs

Moved the shoulders in a little.

Remodeled the connection of the pec. to shoulder.

Now I'm getting exited, it's really taking the shape of what I had in mind.

Still needs a lot of work though.

Gabe
09-30-2004, 03:45 AM
I toned down the muscle in the front of the horse body that looks like nuts http://www.chemicaldust.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif

Added muscles to the trunk of the horse body.

Now I'm going to start on the legs.

Logick
09-30-2004, 04:42 AM
exceptional model i really like it, the only thing that bugs me, is he seems a little short, i think you could make him seem a little more powerful if you made him taller from the waist, its like, try to imagine him without the horse part and just with legs, it seems he would be a little short, considering how wide he is, im talking he has mass! maybe im wrong and it would mess up the proportions, but.. something to think about, anyway way better than i could do, just my opinion, but looks really really good

Logick
09-30-2004, 04:47 AM
just my opinion, i think it would look cooler (continuing on from my last blabber) if you raised the human/devil part higher and joined the spine to the horse part right at the lowest of the lower back, so where it would turn into his butt, it instead turns into the horse parts shoulder muscle, again it might not look right though, just an idea, and again GREAT MODEL

Gabe
09-30-2004, 04:58 AM
OK, I made him taller.

I stretched the torso up and the legs down. What do you think?

yoff
09-30-2004, 09:42 AM
I like him this tall. I think the hind legs should be more powerfull, they do not convincingly support his massive body at a fast run to my eye...

Gabe
09-30-2004, 01:38 PM
The height is good :thumbsup: I agree, I think he looks better like this.

And I'm going to detail the legs today, look for an update later in the day.

Thanks for the crits guys.

Gabe
09-30-2004, 09:49 PM
A small update


Stretched the back of the horse body.

expanded the rib cage side ways.

added an extra muscle to the buttoks

made the hooves

Added spikes on the back of the fore arms.

pulled the front end of the hip bone forward

Moved the hip bone in towards the spine to round out the back end.

Moved the top of the butt down a little to make it more pointed.

Edited the abs a little. Rounded them out some.

And I moved the lower part of the thigh forward some so it looks more realistic.

I'll see if I can get some more work done by tonight.

Gabe
10-03-2004, 06:05 AM
I haven't worked on him very much the last couple days, but here is a small update.

I made the shoulder and butt muscles larger.

I moved his abs forward.

I still haven't done anything with the legs, I'm trying to get the shoulder area right, but so far I'm not happy with the way it looks. http://www.chemicaldust.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif

Gabe
10-04-2004, 12:25 AM
I have another thread for this same character over at http://www.chemicaldust.com/ and Fabricio Torres was kind enough to do a quick paint over for me to point out some things that should be changed. I think he did and awesome job.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Fabricio_Torres/motaro-33b.jpg


So....I edited him real quick to match the paint over. It took less than 5 minutes. So I just got the basic shape of the paint over.

I like this look better.



Now for the muscles!.....again http://www.chemicaldust.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

JRBRAZ
10-04-2004, 06:16 AM
Good work.

I just think there is something strange with the proportions ... maybe the horse body, and the abdomen of the "human part" is a little short. In the abdomen, you can put it upper, and use the begin of horse body like the Hip of the humam body and not like a part of the abdomem, like is now... And about the horse part, I think you can simple strech, to be a little large.

I don't know if you understand me, but I can try explain in a different way, if you want.

rmsmedia
10-04-2004, 11:40 AM
Looking really good. My critique would be that the melding of the two bodies isn't convincing at the moment, we really need to see their musculature working together...some of the muscles in the back need to span across the division between horse and man, and same with the front...(you could use those two front muscles of the horse that you think look like nuts as the bottom of an elongated abdomen...) I agree with the horses shoulders being the hips of the human, it helps weld the two together more seemlessly...I think thats how others have done their versions as well...

Gabe
10-04-2004, 06:30 PM
OK how about this...

I have the lower abs stretched down.

Then the 2 long muscles running along side would be like your neck muscles, then at the bottom where the 2 balls are, it's more like pectorals.

then on the side and back I have the Gluteus Medius on the side and the Gluteus Maximus on the back interlocking with the horses shoulder muscles.

then the 2 long vertical muscles in the lower back blend in to the horse body's spine all the way back to the tail.


http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/anatomy-sketch.jpg

Gabe
10-23-2004, 12:13 AM
OK I finally started working on him again http://www.chemicaldust.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif. I edited his torso some and stretched him out too, he's taller and longer. He doesn't look stubby any more.

I'll try to update more often like I was doing before.

pascal_blanche
10-23-2004, 02:24 AM
I had started a centaure myself a long time ago, to help a friend who had the exact trouble as you have connecting the two bodies...

Yur hips are stil way too large ( horse ) and the torso (low part of humanoid body) should continue a little bit more down on the horse part ( hope im clear enough ;) )

Gabe
10-23-2004, 02:40 AM
People keep telling me that, but I guess I'm not imagining what they are thinking for some reason.

Could you make a quick sketch of the connection area so I can see what you are trying to explain?

Just something very simple don't waste too much time on it.

If you decide to do it, please e-mail it to me here gabe687@hotmail.com (gabe687@hotmail.com)

If someone else has something like that, feel free to show me. I appreciate all the help I get.

Thanks

pascal_blanche
10-23-2004, 03:33 AM
maybe I could help you a bit and touch up your actual model?

Gabe
10-23-2004, 03:39 AM
Here it is.... The topology is not very pretty, I still have to make all that flow better.

See what you can do. :deal:

I'll use what you do for reference, I'll edit the model my self after I see what you do with it.

:thumbsup:

http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro.max

PS: I just checked out your stuff...:eek: your work is amazing, I'm honored that you would offer to do this for me. :buttrock:

pascal_blanche
10-23-2004, 04:26 AM
ill check it this week end gabe, it's a bit late for me right now... ;)

Gabe
10-23-2004, 05:13 AM
That's kool, take your time.

pascal_blanche
10-24-2004, 04:42 AM
done ;) www.3dluvr.com/pascalb/WIPS/motaro02.max (http://www.3dluvr.com/pascalb/WIPS/motaro02.max)
i've changed a bit other details too .. horse body, horns and head :P you can start from here now, general proportion should be fine, you can start the details ;)

Gabe
10-24-2004, 08:41 AM
Holy crap!!! I can't stop smiling :D

This look much better :thumbsup:

OK, things I like:

The proportions of the horse half to the humanoid half are great. I love the curve you put on the back of the horse...Brilliant! :thumbsup: . I like the big hooves and the editing to the upper torso. I like the top of the head and the huge horns are much better. I also like the thick wrists, it makes the hands look more powerful.

I love it...

Things that I think I will still edit:

Motaro has a long face, like the butlers in looney toons. So I would stretch it down some more to keep it closer to the original look. The triceps need to be thicker to match the mass of the torso. The legs need more mass, they look a bit weak still. I think maybe widen his hips a tini bit more. Maybe make the horse half a bit taller also. The Mortal Kombat 3 Motaro has calves on his front legs, so add those in. The lower abs where it merges with the front of the horse looks boxy, so add more muscles or round it out some more.

I think that's it.

Just some minor changes.



I can see what My problem was before, I was trying to keep things looking too true to real life. Editing some things to work better together like you did didn't even cross my mind till now.

What you did with this model is outstanding, it totally opens my eyes for future works. I can't thank you enough. :)

pascal_blanche
10-24-2004, 02:02 PM
ehehe you're welcome ;)

Gabe
10-29-2004, 08:52 AM
I used some of the ideas you gave me and I think they helped. I'm happy with the proportions now.

Or maybe I've just been starring at it too long. :shrug:

Anyway I'm just gonna move on to the muscle detail for the legs now. The proportions look good to me and I'm pretty sick of tweaking it. :rolleyes:

Actually, looking at it now, I think I'll just make the head a little bigger.

http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro40.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro41.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro42.jpg

Gabe
10-30-2004, 02:23 AM
I edited the torso some more.

Rounded out the shoulders, pecs and the rib cage arch.

I added a small indentation where the clavicle, shoulder and pectoral meet.

Widened the rib cage, rounded out the ab muscles some more and a little bit of remodeling on the pectoral and the rib cage arch.

http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro43.jpg

Xeroedge
11-01-2004, 10:48 AM
Great Model :D~!

Im not sure if your working on really detailing it out but...
-The pecs dont have a nipple.

-The hands dont seem to have any detail what so ever..

-The shoulder muscle I think would look better if you add those 3 muscles groves into it.. um if I knew what they were called it would be easier.. The thing above the bisped.

- He is missing muscles that are suppose to be below his pecs. where you seem to have made this hard rib cage show. although those could be it but it looks odd right now..

-The back of the forearm I think would look better if you bring out those muscles that are located there. I mean this guy is ripped and they should be showing.

-The pec muscles stretch from the shoulder bone and its werid have u have a kind of straight grove there that doesn't seem to go any where....

Sorry I forgot what he was suppose to look like ...my comments are towards a human being XD.

Gabe
11-12-2004, 05:48 AM
OK, now I added the muscles to the fore arm. fixed his ribs so they show more like in a comic book. Added a little more muscle def. to the back and shoulders. I flattened out the split between the pectorals, gave him some nipples, added more bone definition to his hands, added some muscle def. to the shoulders. And finally I got some work done on the front legs.

http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro45.jpghttp://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro46.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro49.jpghttp://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro47.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro48.jpg

batavia
11-12-2004, 06:59 AM
Something just doesn't look right (or maybe it's just my eye.)
Look at the model from the side, and cover everything except for the humanoid body and the front horse legs. Doesn't it look awkward? Sorry I can't explain it any better. Maybe the horse body is a bit overwhelmed; mess with the proportion and see if you can get a better look

Gabe
11-12-2004, 07:03 AM
Oh Yeah, I see what you mean.

The legs look stubby.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Xeroedge
11-12-2004, 10:35 AM
Nails on fingers are suppose to be curved not flat :O

I think the hand needs work.. the hand has quite an arc to it when you put it out like that...

um its hard for me to explain the other stuff about the hand....too bad I can't just show ;p

maybe I will...
Otherwise... holy crap its awesome!

U like have to like texture it and ya... its uber good now

Gabe
11-13-2004, 08:44 AM
I got the back legs almost finished, I refined the muscles of the front leg. I totally remodeled the butt muscles. Added a vein on his rib cage and stretched his legs down a little.

I think I'll have all the modeling done tomorrow. :buttrock:


http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro52.jpghttp://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro50.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro51.jpg

Gabe
11-13-2004, 09:28 AM
And some wires....

http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro53.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro54.jpg

Gabe
11-15-2004, 05:44 AM
A quick test animation for the face.

I noticed that the wrinkles aren't as easy to define as I had hoped, so I'm gonna have to add more geo. to the face.

I'll add 1 more loop around the mouth area and some lines at the outside edges of the eyes for some wrinkles. A couple loops on the eye brow ridge too, it's a little boxy.

http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/face-morph.mov

Xeroedge
11-15-2004, 08:46 AM
I think it would be better to make bump map that changes depending on the blendshape used or a displacement map.

More Geo sucks ;_;


well i dont know how heavy the face is.. hard to see...

soapy
11-15-2004, 10:30 PM
Model looks great, but he is lacking in testosterone if you know what I mean...

Gabe
11-16-2004, 12:42 AM
No.....Sorry, I don't follow?

The face mesh isn't too dense, It'll be easy to fix.

http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/motaro-face-wire.jpg

WyattHarris
11-17-2004, 05:48 PM
Model looks great, but he is lacking in testosterone if you know what I mean...
I think he's saying the face is too relaxed. You've already heard this from me. Basically the modeling is done, now give him some character.

Gabe
11-17-2004, 05:57 PM
ah...ok I getcha.

soapy
11-18-2004, 12:35 AM
Actually I meant that he needs genitalia, would you model a bull and leave off his penis? It is after all the part that makes a bad boy like this bad...

Gabe
11-18-2004, 03:58 AM
Actually I thought about it, but then I said naaaah.

soapy
11-18-2004, 04:46 PM
So what is this guy/thing anyway?

Gabe
11-19-2004, 12:37 AM
http://mkw.mortalkombatonline.com/animations/mk3/motaro.gif

Motaro is the sub boss from Mortal Kombat 3.

I didn't make him exactly the same though.

Gabe
11-20-2004, 09:26 PM
The very first animation test.

I haven't started setting up the vertex weights yet. I just messed around a little with the envelopes.

I still have a ton of cleaning up to do on him.

Sorry, I can't put big files online, I don't have much room in my host.

http://home.comcast.net/~gabe687/test-animation.mov


Also the model is not finished yet, I still have to make his armor and textures, but I need to have him moving today. I have to show it to someone....

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