Volcano BOB rider

[roel]

That volcano your beast is walking on looks flat, probably because of the placement of the beast's feet. Other than that, it looks perfect to me!

[Sangotten]

I like your style man!!!!

I like the kind of cubic (you know the art form, Picaso....) influence in your picture. It looks flat but then again it looks very a live and 3D... I like the colours, maybe some more glow on the two creatures from the fire would do the trick.

Great job!:thumbsup:

[Kirt]

<<--- *Doesn't care if it's flat*

... it's got style and appeal! I wouldn't change a thing. It looks wonderful as it is :applause:

[Sleepless]

roel - thanks, I can see what you mean about the flatness, maybe the light source should break across the left of the Mt. a bit? I will try it.

sangotten - I'm influenced by some of the early cube-ism works, before they got really wacked out. (I'm not an expert in art history) I like the flattening of shapes, skewing the perspective, but still have it read well. More glow, OK. Thanks

Kirt- thanks man, I admit it; style is a concern of mine. Probably get flamed for saying so.

[puddlefish]

Was hoping you'd finish this one! Looks great so far.
I'd agree with sangotten about a little glow, maybe just a hint of a backlight?. If you squint at the picture you'll see that the tones of the rider and beast are very similar, and also which important areas aren't standing out. I find this useful to give a quick idea of what parts need more contrast.
Hope this helps.

[Sleepless]

Puddlefish - yes it's at your suggestion that I'm doin this one at all :)

I agree the value structure needs to be simplified, I don't squint enough.... Thanksfully it's an easy fix in photoshop.

I'm going to go back into this with all the comments considered and repost in the next day or so.

Thanks for the help guys.

:beer:

[jeroentje]

Looking good Sleepless, don't change a thing :buttrock:

I am thinking about something and please tell me if this is not the place to discuss it...
Why, in general, is the most heard c&c "add more detail"?
Sometimes a piece can be killed by adding more detail. You can overdo it and paint something to death.
Why doesn't any body ever say "you should have stopped painting 30 min.s ago because you detailed all the life out of it..."?
I personally think that the life, the motion and the vividnes (=good english?) can often be the most important part of a piece. Sometimes just suggesting something works better for the thing than ectually detailing it in...

Anyway, I was thinking about this and I just had to get it out ;)
Still all in general BTW, not on Sleepless's piece that look bloody fantastic again...
Cheers, jeroentje :beer:

[Sleepless]

I refined a few things as some suggested, I think I'm happier with it.......Thanks for the crits. Sorry for the bigger download but I couldn't give up the details.

jeroentje - Thanks!
I don't know why "add more detail" is so often suggested. Maybe if it's too gestural some perceive it to be unfinished. I am often blown away with super tight work, (I get sick of something long before I approach that point) I suppose it just comes down to whatever turns you on. Many times I've done a drawing and sucked the expressive quality right out of it transfering it to illustration board. AGHH!

Maybe a bit off topic... Once years ago had an instructor that was a car designer, he was teaching us to draw and he kept saying that the "marker drawing" WAS the finished art. I didn't see how that would apply in my desire to be an lllustrator because it wasn't finished enough. If I had only listened to him then, I might be what is now know as a Concept Designer. Thinks of the time I would have saved not detailing. .....Live and learn.

http://www.leeillo.com/images/Volcanorider2.jpg

[Sleepless]

This is what inspired me on the beast. I liked the way Lambert treated the figure as a large dark almost flat shape. I thought maybe I could do something like that with the mountain......It was something to shoot for anyhow.

http://www.leeillo.com/images/Lambert51.jpg

[bentllama]

I like your treatment. I like the way the "paint" has a "scrubbed on" kind of feel to it...

[roel]

I see... However, I don't think what works for the figure also works for the mountain. In the portrait, the large, black appearance fills almost the entire composition, and indeed it makes for a beautiful picture.

But try imagining this painting without the face and hands; then almost nothing would be left...

In Lambert's painting, the darkness of the clothes and surroundings compell the viewer to focus on the woman's face and hands. In your painting, however, the darkness of the mountain does nothing to accentuate the subject.

Your painting is very beautiful, but I don't think you succeeded where Lambert did.

[Sleepless]

Bentllama> Thanks ps7 textures are fun.

Roel>Your painting is very beautiful, but I don't think you succeeded where Lambert did.<<

Agreed. My mountain is a small feeble shape compared to the dress. his did make me think I could paint it black and get away with it though.
I often see something that is purely inspiration, an in the end doesn't relate that much to what I'm trying to do, but for some reason it gets me thinking....I knew before painting the Beast it wouldn't be similiar to Lambert's work because my drawing was already done and very different compositionally. I just loved the fact he could use such a massive dark shape and pull it off. (he does this on some other works too) A great design trick/technique by Lambert, not by me. Maybe in the future I will try something closer to his design.

:)

[Gamoron]

Beautiful Sleepless. I love it. but after seeing your inspiration on this image I wondered why you didn't add more of a landscaped background. Anyways its beautiful. And jeroentje is right, and to illustrate his point (maybe poorly) compare over produced music of today to yesterday's. Some Music today is incredibly beautiful, but compare it to the Beattles White Album. The lyrics are usually pretty basic and kurt. Today I find more people think that by adding more words they think they are saying more. But they're just burdening their work. Now this isn't always true. But anyways....

It's great, leave it. You can always come back to it later. Corot did it all the time!

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