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RobertoOrtiz
09-08-2004, 01:51 PM
"Damned if you do, damned if you don't"
By ZEM
Posted Sep 8, 3:00 am EST


Welcome to the cgtalk sketch group.

We will try to post one of these topics once a day for your enjoyment.

These are the rules:
* Post only your FINAL piece on this thread, based on the topic on the thread.
* 640 x 480 / 480 x 640 OR 800 x 600 /600 x 800
* They can be done on any medium.
* If you wish, you can add a brief text description about your piece.
* Only original compositions. No "tributes" or plagiarizing.
* The topics will be posted every day between 10:00 - 12:00 am US EST.
* The artist also has to post total length of time it took (Thanks Clanger for the idea) and program used.
* Only final pieces can be posted on the thread. They must have been done AFTER the topic has been announced.
* Any piece caught breaking the rules will be taken off the thread.
* The topics will be picked at random from the list on this thread
(The author will be given credit). So guys keep them coming.
*You can add multiple entries, but please dont post WIP (Unless you intend to update them). NEW RULE!
* Ill post ANOTHER thread to quantify and track WHO has participated the most on these threads.


Good luck

-Roberto
PS To submit your topic ideas and suggestions go to this thread:
>>Link<< (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145003&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)

akocan
09-08-2004, 02:40 PM
and this means?

Dargon
09-08-2004, 02:44 PM
damned refers to going to hell, but more loosely, getting into trouble. So the general idea is, if you do (something) you'll get in trouble, but if you don't you'll still get in trouble. Usually it's used as an excuse to do something.

Example might be a man cheating at cards to pay off the mafia. If he get's caught cheating, he'll be damned, but if he doesn't cheat, he won't get the money he needs, so he'll be damned.

Obear
09-08-2004, 02:58 PM
yeh means a no win situation, you do somthing ya loose, you do somthing else you still loose

Should be an interesting one :)

zem
09-08-2004, 03:28 PM
Used one of my favourite movies as inspiration for this one. I was also very inspired by Andrewley Battle Angel painting (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=1556527&postcount=9) and wanted to try something similar.

Obviously I have used a reference image for this.
http://www.pixelsbyzem.com/images/duelDamned.jpg
roughly 1 hour, Photoshop and mouse

akocan
09-08-2004, 03:29 PM
ok I've got it. Thanks dargon and obear.

never heard of this saying, that's why I asked.

Let's see if I can join this time.

Cheers all

Supervlieg
09-08-2004, 03:56 PM
Thats quite nice Zem, but the high jpeg compression doesnt do it justice, maybe you should save it as a gif with little coloring and dither, I think you can get it way more sharp with the same or smaller filesize.

MadeInUterus
09-08-2004, 04:48 PM
good one zem, we had a slightly similar idea, (mostly cause it involves guns) i like ur composition


here's a design by imaginae (http://www.cyberium.net/imagine/S/weapons/surreal-pistol-1.jpg)
that i find to suit this topic


ps+wacom - 1h20 with a coffee break

(my host is getting wierd and even tho my image is not that big it still takes a time to load, let me know if ur having trouble viewing it)
http://img73.exs.cx/img73/5156/damn2.jpg

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thanks andrew, :) great hoster

andrewley
09-08-2004, 04:52 PM
Can see it now - cool - I was gonna do a suicide one but I think a lot of people will so I'll try and come up with something else

BAJAMAN
09-08-2004, 05:43 PM
Don't want to seem 'nitwitty' but that push-rod should be on the same side of the gun as the lever for inserting bullets I think...
(both the drawing and the surreal pic)

Sorry for posting off-topic :shrug:

robinayles
09-08-2004, 07:25 PM
Look again, Bajaman. In both the drawing in Made-in-uterus and the surreal pic his link points to are a "surreal gun" - a "catch-22" - "damned if you do" gun. If you hold that gun the way it is drawn, you end up shooting yourself. It isn't meant to be a REAL gun.

Nice job Made-in-uterus, I like the "damned-if-you-do gun"!

Branko
09-08-2004, 07:28 PM
made in uterus,
at first glanced it seemed generic, but now that I've actualy caught it I realized it's an excellent pic/twist!

BAJAMAN
09-08-2004, 08:40 PM
> It isn't meant to be a REAL gun.

yeah, I know, but just never mind my stupid remark, I have a way of messing things up, kinda shows here...:sad:

MadeInUterus
09-08-2004, 08:51 PM
lol, no worries bajaman, :)

thanks alot u guys, it means alot that u enjoyed the pic

Supervlieg
09-08-2004, 09:41 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't!
http://www.bolman.nl/cgtalk/0095.jpg
Good ol' Photoshop/Wacom/2 Hours

Great pic Made in uterus. The only thing that bothers me are the black lines. they give a weird perspective to the picture.

Erikoinen
09-08-2004, 09:57 PM
Excellent piece there, Supervlieg! Great idea and great painting! :thumbsup:

BadPenny
09-08-2004, 10:29 PM
THis topic was pretty hard anyway theres always good stuff around!
Zem - cool pic..i love a lot the pose of those 2 guys
made in uterus - nice work..like a lot that strange gun
supervlieg - Great image..and great style..keep postin so good stuff!!

So heres mine..
http://utenti.lycos.it/avvistamentiufo/damned.jpg

DAMNED IF U DO, DAMNED IF U DON'T - "who cares...I'm damned already!!"

Ps + wacom 2/2.30 hours

Supervlieg
09-08-2004, 10:42 PM
Thanks Erikoinen :)

pooby
09-08-2004, 11:30 PM
Float.

Photoshop 2 and a half hours.....
SuperVlieg.. I really like the lighting in your pic.. nice idea toohttp://usera.imagecave.com/Dillon/witch3.jpg

erilaz
09-09-2004, 01:31 AM
Wow pooby! Exceptional work there! I love the caustics thing you've got going on!
SuperVlieg, great work as usual!:D

Michael Miller
09-09-2004, 01:41 AM
ahaha man these are turning out pretty funny! keep it up i wanna see more :thumbsup:

Branko
09-09-2004, 02:08 AM
The beauty of indecision.

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/8079/PiratesChoice.jpg

Squarecloud
09-09-2004, 02:18 AM
Awwwwww man, after working at least two hours on my piece i refresh my browser window only to see Rasdasa to have posted a pirate pic as well. No way for me to beat that:sad:

Ah well, i'll post mine anyway.

http://www.skplace.net/ewout/selmar/pirates02.jpg

Branko
09-09-2004, 02:25 AM
Whatever, yours is just the continuation of my pic, just in colour and looking down enough to see the sharks ;P

diceroll
09-09-2004, 02:46 AM
Damned if you did, damned if you don't!

"Honey, did you find that picnic basket? I'm hungry!"

pen sketch and mousey colours. like the concept, hate the result http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/scream.gif
1h

http://img27.exs.cx/img27/7195/damnedifyoudid.jpg

Ilikesoup
09-09-2004, 03:46 AM
And now. . . It's your FAY-vorite game show, DAMNED IF YOU DO ! (Damn right, you'd better applaud!)

And here's the host of Damned If You Do. The Prince of Darkness, The Duke of Despair. . .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/ilikesoup2/Hell.gif

It's SAAAAAA-TAAAAAAAAAN!!

DreamMaster
09-09-2004, 04:42 AM
"Damned if you do, damned if you don't!" - He (the character in the boat) can't turn back or he will be killed... and if he is headed to city.. then he either will be killed by wild ocean or will experience a ufo abuction. :P

About 2 hours? lol :D Photoshop

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/dm7755/damnedifyoudontdamnedifyoud.jpg

robinayles
09-09-2004, 04:44 AM
A really nasty quick sketch then colored a bit in Photoshop 7. About 35 minutes. Sorry, I had a better sketch, but the Microsoft Word dog ate it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Actually ran out of time.
http://www.k-squared.com/damnedifido.jpg

robinayles
09-09-2004, 04:45 AM
WHOA...I would have to follow DreamMaster with my nasty sketch.

Way to go DreamMaster!!

DreamMaster
09-09-2004, 04:51 AM
Thanks robinayles. :D Btw, I love your concept! Bush and kerry.. hahaha yeah!!!

zem
09-09-2004, 06:58 AM
thanks for the comments guys, but I realised last night that I probably broke the No "tributes" rule. Used the reference to get the right angle on the arms and head, but it ended up looking far to much like the original. Don't have time to do another, so I'll just wait for the next topic instead.

Made-in-uterus>>Thanks. Thats one dangerous gun. :) Cool

Supervlieg>> Yeah, I should have made it a gif, since it doen't have that many color. Your picture is great! Love the color.

-Andy- >> Thanks, but I can't really take credit for the composition. Nice picture! I particulary like the 'fire' colors.

pooby>> Like the feel of the image.

Rasdasa>> Good as always!

Squarecloud>> Great perspective

DaRk&LoVeLy>>Hehe, love the expression on the little bear. Like 'wtf do you want?'

Ilikesoup>> Oh, nice use of the topic. cool, wait, hot image.

DreamMaster>>Sweet! Very surreal

robinayles>>They are both members of skull&bones you know. Nice use of the topic.

Phade
09-09-2004, 07:19 AM
http://crystalynstorm.com/cgt_dsg/090804.jpg

130mins painter

Taron333
09-09-2004, 11:02 AM
...I thought I won't even get to do one today, but finally I had the chance, but I have two ideas...anyway, this is the first one....openCanvas and actually kind of surprising 30minutes

(not sure if that matters to anyone or I might be a bit to happy about it, but as always I wasn't using any reference...THANK GOD!!!) HAHAHAHA....
http://www.taron.de/Storage/Images/2d_sketches/TheQuestion_Part01.jpg

SteveV
09-09-2004, 11:35 AM
CRAP! Taron. ;)

diceroll
09-09-2004, 12:22 PM
omg Taron! I looked at that before eating breakfast! http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/aarggggghhhh.gif

Obear
09-09-2004, 12:26 PM
LOL Tarn that's great, but for me there is no dilema here, there is no way in heck ill plant my delicate butt cheaks on that bowl. :) I can tell you on the Road i have had that same experience.Tank the lord for Bushes :)

MadeInUterus
09-09-2004, 02:55 PM
supervlieg, thanks for the comment, the first version i did was without the lines, but i tought it was missing something, so i added those maybe a wrong choice but, well, ended up like that :) i love yours, always that smooth cartoon look, looks great

andy, thankx man, i loved that gun concept the first time i saw it, i like the way u did the fire..wondered what that guy did to be damned already :) or maybe is the devil thats already damned no mather what he does...

rasdasa, you make such great drawings, that perspective is impressive, love the small toe hanging in the plank...strugling to keep its balance

taron, ARGH! ARGHHHHH! AAAARGHHHHHHH! and i mean it in a good way

logao
09-09-2004, 03:08 PM
Hello everyone,this is my 1st post in CGtalk.
CGtalk daily sketch is fun and here are lots of excellent pieces.

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't"
PS cs / 2 hours +

http://www.nikgod.com/download/daily_95_logao.jpg

Branko
09-09-2004, 04:09 PM
Welcome aboard Lo, I like the heus you've used, definitely sets the mood.

BadPenny
09-09-2004, 04:26 PM
Well, There were such good entries even if this topic wasnt so easy.

pooby - Great atmosphere there!!!
Rasdasa - I've been watching your works for a while..Im sure u are the LORD OF THE PENCIL MAN!!
Squarecloud - Both u and Rasdasa had a nice idea..Nice work though!
DaRk&LoVeLy - Haha..thats funny dude.Just great!
llikesoup - I was wondering what kind of show was that.I like it!
Dream Master - I love a lot colors you have chosen.It reminds a lil Monkey Island.NICE!!
robinayles - Really original!
Phade - Lovely!!
Taron333 - Great colors, Wonderful style, Good Idea..What more..just amazin!!
logao - Wellcome man!Like a lot ur first entry..keep posting!

Made in uterus - yes, man u got it..its the devil who is already damned and no matter if he will that guy or not..hes damned already!!

robinayles
09-09-2004, 04:32 PM
logao - Mighty impressive first post there! Good work! What brush is that you're using? It really adds to the piece.

Andy - really great work there too! Love the strength!
zem- nice tension
supervlieg- excellent, as always!
pooby- eerie mood, love it!
rasdasa- your pen and pencil are mightier than your pirate's sword! AWESOME!
squarecloud- great use of topic
dark&lovely- great use of humor!
ilikesoup- is that Devil Simon Cowell from American Idol? :applause:
dreammaster- I already said it, but I'll say it again...truly Masterful, great mood!
phade- interesting idea on this topic
taron333 - GAG, GAK!! great work tho...I agree, no dilemma for me, I'm outta there!!

Branko
09-09-2004, 04:33 PM
Thanks Andy, appreciate the kind words.

Andyman
09-09-2004, 06:40 PM
Here's mine:

Very sloppy, but... I guess that's 'cuz I did it in a moving vehicle, hah (no I wasn't the one driving =p). ~30 minutes, PS7/Wacom.

:: Jump without a parachute... or crash with the plane. ::

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Andyman1655/planecrash.jpg

Andyman
09-09-2004, 07:02 PM
zem: Referenced or not, it's still great =). Great job.

made in uterus: It took me a few glances to understand that gun. Hah, that's weird. Very nice painting.

Supervlieg: That's awesome, man. I really do envy your painting skills. I really like the rhino.

-Andy-: You have an awesome name ; ). Nice sketch also. I like the fire, and great job on those hands.

pooby: Pooby pooby pooby... this is a 'sketch' group, not a finished art gallery =p. Great job, as always, man.

Rasdasa: There's that cool perspective again. I like the detail of the wrinkles and stuff on their faces.

Squarecloud: While Rasdasa did a pirate one also, that doesn't matter... yours has its own charm. Good job.

DaRk&LoVeLy: Hah, great idea; and for some reason I like the colors of his shirt.

ilikesoup: Hehee I like his mustache : ).

DreamMaster: Oo that's pretty. I like your choice of dreamy colors.

robinayles: Good effort, man; but there's something about that girl's lips that is just freaking me out...

Phade: Very clever. Neat job =).

Taron333: That reminds me of stories my friend has told me about cleaning the bathrooms at McDonalds... yuck. Great job =).

logao: I really really like it =). Cool idea, also; and welcome to cgtalk!!

Phade
09-09-2004, 10:29 PM
-Andy-, robinayles, Andyman - thanks for the comments.

Andyman - how about jumping as the plane hits the ground? :)
logao - nice perspective and love the cliff texture
Taron333 - yuck but well done
robinayles - heh heh heh, where's Nader?
DreamMaster - that's just wonderful; colors, compo, everything
Ilikesoup - that's a big smile he's got there . ...
DaRk&LoVeLy - great interpretation
Rasdasa & Squarecloud - great unintentional collaboration ;)
pooby - whoa. very moody.
-Andy- - I can feel the heat from them flames
Supervlieg - cool piece as always
made in uterus - wonderful concept
zem - hk flick fan? - nice

logao
09-10-2004, 05:38 AM
zem: nice monotone. it's look like a moment from a HK 90's movie, acted by Chow.

made in uterus: can't see your pic. am i too late?

Supervlieg: great painting! really enjoy the lighting. did the hat so important?

-Andy-: impressive. love the texture of the fire.and thanks for your comment.i'll keep going.

pooby: great work! excellent moody pic.

Rasdasa: can't see your pic, too. am i too too late?
thanks for your comments, but i don't know the meaning of "heus" because of my poor English.:blush:

Squarecloud: interesting. it's that McDonald standing there?

DaRk&LoVeLy: can't see your pic, too. am i too too too late~~~?

llikesoup: i'll love the show~ nice poster.

DreamMaster: excellent! nice colour and lighting!

robinayles: really great idea. damned!
(edit)thanks for your comments, I used some default brushes in photoshop like soft round, spatter and chalk.(edit)

Phade: sorry about I don't really understand your pic.but thanks for your comments~

Taron333: great colour! I love the toilet~ha~

Andyman: nice view.what a capture of a hopeless moment. thanks for your comment.

r0mer0
09-10-2004, 02:52 PM
Open Canvas 1.1, 1.5h
http://www.r0mer0.de/ext/damned.jpg

Supervlieg
09-10-2004, 04:26 PM
Thanks logao & phade

Logoa: What do you mean by: 'did the hat so important?'

andrewley
09-11-2004, 03:14 AM
Painter - Wacom - 2 hours

http://img33.exs.cx/img33/9123/Damned.jpg

logao
09-11-2004, 04:44 AM
Thanks logao & phade

Logoa: What do you mean by: 'did the hat so important?'
I think he will lose his life if he wants to get back his hat.
So, I asked that question for fun.:)
Hope if I didn't make you misunderstanding.:rolleyes:

andrewley
09-11-2004, 09:54 AM
Zem – I was kinda shocked when I first saw your pic but then I thought it was a pretty cool compliment – cheers bud, it looks nice



Made in Uterus – Cool – I think a smoking barrel would have been a nice touch



Supervlieg – Great as usual J



Andy – Nice colours dude



Pooby – You continue to impress J



Rasdasa – Awesome perspective and expressions



Squarecloud – Its so weird how your pic follows almost perfectly from Rasdasa’s – it could be stuck on the bottom J



Dark&Lovely – very funny – I like the bears face



Ilikesoup – cool idea dude



Dreammaster – does look like something from a dream actually



Robinayles – I had the same thought dude but I’ve done one Bush sketch this week – I didn’t want to seem obsessive J - Good man!



Phade – lol kinda looks like two blow up sex dolls kissin each other J



Taron333 – I feel sick – so I guess that means you did a good job



Logao –cool idea dude and nice angle



Andyman – yeah those guys are screwed alright J


R0mer0 – lol very funny

Hope I got everyone

Branko
09-11-2004, 02:35 PM
Andrewley, love the composition in the pic. I can sort of see how it relates to the topic, correct me if I'm wrong.
Kamakazee pin pull, or otherwise have belly ripped wide by mecahnical forelimbs or torpido sized bullets?

andrewley
09-11-2004, 02:41 PM
Cheers Rasdasa - you are spot on! :)

Augustin[e_CZ
09-12-2004, 02:33 PM
sorry for so lately post,a haven´t much time
ps7,2h10min,tablet wacom
hope you like it

http://www.3dgrafika.cz/img/_gallery/15/15925.jpg

andrewley:i like your style,look so good

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