Above & Beyond - Vehicle - Joril

[Joril]

Did I miss the tide or anything?

[erilaz]

Extremely cool Joril. I can see we're in for a top notch entry from you!:D

You've sparked my curiousity! What exams?

[Joril]

What exams?
Maths, Tele and datacommunication and Java :annoyed:

And thanks, I'll try to give it my best :D

[Joril]

The pilot of the vessel will be an Air Elemental, summoned by the master-wizard.
It will propably look alot like this one I found on the web.
http://www.aginsinn.com/minis/AirElemental.jpg

I hope to continue modelling soon.

[robertp]

Where is Sinbad? I like your design. That air-element will be great too.
What is going to be on the deck of the air-ship?


Rob:D

[Hunkasaurus]

damn, what a cool idea.....i was wondering if anybody could pull off a nice fantasy flying vessel...u did a good job :p

but my question is....how does it go up and at them?
hunka


see my thread:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16931

[Joril]

robertp: Sinbad? :surprised
Well, the air elemental will be on the back of the deck controling the rudders. I'm not so sure about the deck itself. Something arcane. I thought about some astronomical devices, or an astrolabe (one with moving planet-models), the only problem is, that thanks to the movement, it would be impossible to study the stars with a telescope.
I also thought about a big round glyph where the master-wizard casts his spells in front of a big spellbook and with some pupil-wizards sitting around him.
I'm also going to add various magical devices to the ship, and some banners, ect.

Hunkasaurus: Thanks!how does it go up and at them? The balloon in the deck makes it fly, like a zeppelin. Scratch the hot air, unless I find a cool way to add the heat to the air in the balloon, I'm going with helium or something.

[swag]

really nice idea - i like it - but think about the center of gravity! if the ballon holding the ship it will rotate u need some small counterbalance ballons

[Joril]

swag: You are right. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I thought I'd add the little horizonal wings to make up for this. But I will enlarge (and maybe even lower) the wings so that the center of gravety lies beneath the balloon.
I think a counterweight hanging down the ship would also work. You know like a fin with weight in. (like with my R/C sailboat)

[Ragnakim]

Go Joril, Go Joril, GO!! heheheh :D looking great


My Challenge entry :
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16878

[Jeffo]

Lookin cool so far dude, i like the fin look on the back, very nice! this definately has some wicked potential!

keep it up

[Joril]

Been busy tonight.
I changed some proportions, subpatch-weighted the whole ship.
The colours were added so you guys and gals can clearly see what's what.
I added the Mage and Apprentice-Mages. No elemental yet. I'm not sure if the little guys are still to big, but I think they are.
Anyways, there's still a whole lot to do, C&C at will.
But first I need some sleep...

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as4.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as5.jpg

[Joril]

another update, I wasn't happy with the thing as it was (I was very tired yersterday, I didn't even notice the bad, bad lighting), now it's better. More to come on a later date.
Tell me what you think. :D

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as6.jpg

[Solesurvivor]

go joril go, the crowd goes wild (ggwwussshhh) :bounce:

[OZ]

A design masterpiece!The wings are faNTASTIC,and The IDeA of the magic pilot is great!:thumbsup:

[Hunkasaurus]

have to say....wow... :thumbsup: looking good
and thanks for the reply

[dmcgrath]

very cool Joril,
I have seen yours and strikes as well. I really like what you have going so far. My first inclination was to go for the derigible (blimp) idea, but I saw so many of those. I think mounting the air bladder under the ship is a novel idea. I hope physics doesn't get a hold of it and flip it every time they try and fly. What am I saying? An air elemental should be able to fly it without flipping it over, unless... that's what he wants to do.

[Virtuoso]

Overall your ideas look very promising, I am looking forward to your progress...........It all sounds quite in-depth, something high on my personal list...........Go for it all, and you will come up with 5 star work............:thumbsup: :)

[pit]

Veeeery promising!!! Great concept - great model so far. Only, u forgot about the max 4 passengers rule. Damn! I like how u arranged the pupils and the wizard, it´s a shame if u have to obey that rule!! Hey- can we have an exception for Joril! Or u let them all levitate - then they´re not actually on the ship! Ha - that´ll do the trick!

[Aearon]

well actually you should stick with 3 pupils, that'll do the trick too

the 4 peeps limit is a rule just like every other one, so my opinion is u should live with it, especially because it won't have that much impact on this piece to cut 2 of them out :D

please don't take that too serious, i bet you just overlooked that rule :)

great concept and execution so far man, i like it a lot :thumbsup:

[Joril]

Hi everyone, big thanks for the comments everyone!
I'm back with a little update in these busy days.
I modelled the changes yesterday actually, but I only had time today to render them.

About the 4 person rule, I'll just take away a pupil. But then there's the elemental, but that's not really a person, it's more like a trained computer.

The elemental is modelled btw, but only roughly.
I'm at a total loss what the deal with hypervoxels is all about. I was thinking of giving him a light-blue glowing smoke look. How do I do this? :shrug:
If you can help me about the hypervoxels please, please, pretty please do so.

I still have to crowd the deck with arcane stuff and ropes and books and more stuff.
The whole thing still looks to much like a big toy to me.
And the folded sails at the sides need some reworking, I simply made them with splines and autopatcher and forgot to subpatch them - damnit.

Here are the pics:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as7a1.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as7c1.jpg

[robertp]

very nice. U can use the books as balast(sp). Oh the sinbad I was refering to is the pirate you know the one with the seven voyages. This one could be the eigth voyage. Its looks like some of the edges need to be beveled and then you should put alittle flex into the sails. With the toy look it might be the saturated colors. Tone them down abit and the parts that you beveled to much dont add to the nice shape you created within the general body of the boat. The pieces that im talking about is the orange highly round shape that is holding the horizontal sails onto the side of the boat. Then you also have the front piece that is attached to the stern(front? is that the right term) of the boat.

So the main issue is you need to create a nice balance between these pieces; that hold the line of aciton within the ships body. the body is great but the pieces you attached to it needs a little refining.

gj would like to see the elemental soon.

Rob:D

[Joril]

Thanks for the advice, robertp!
It crossed my mind to cut off the side pieces and (ok lets call it) the stern. But I will, got a nice idea on how to fix it. The only problem is time (and attention).

[Baal]

Impressive work so far! :applause: Looks like you're going for one great vehicle! I also love the idea of mixing "dragon technology" with that kind of boat. Gonna keep an eye on this thread!

[Joril]

Ok, with the backup recovery alot of post have been lost.
So I'll post the last images again aswell.
To bad the posts were very usfull.
Anyway, here are the images again.
C&C is still welcome of course :)

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as8a.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as8c.jpg

A little note to keep you guys up to date. I've found a way to fix the wings. Updates will be coming only next week I'm afraid.
I also fixed the front sail. And the balloon is now inflated to the maximum.
I also Think I'll remove the laterns all together and come up with something new.

[Aearon]

mh i'd still suggest going with hovering magical chrystals =)

[Joril]

Yes I know :)
And it's a great idea too. But I still have to remove the laterns for that. But I think I'm going to make bigger-fewer christals.

[Aearon]

how about a big one in the center of the circle, you could do awesome lighting with that

mh maybe you could replace the book with that crystal, that book makes me think bible -> jesus, but i don't think your flying machine has a christian style :wip:

just a thought :)

[Baal]

fist idea's is great, you could add a huge hovering crystal in the middle, maybe blue, and add a few smaller that floats around with different colors (red, green, yellow...). That could make some awesome lighting!

Other than that, keep up the good work man, you're ship is coming better every time you update! :bounce: :bounce:

[paconavarro]

Joril youre having one small problem with the wing in the tail, the red clothe is intersecting with the ship..... did I explained myslef?

[Joril]

Yes I know.
I got alot of fixing to do :)

[Joril]

I kinda "fixed" the wing issue. I hope you like it!
The new ones still need some suspension.
All I can do in between maths is render, so now I'm experimenting with coulor schemes :D

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as91.jpg

[Joril]

The element air is often associated with lighning and frost.
So what about a "cold" colour-scheme? :D

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as9cold1.jpg

[sarfarazsoomro]

hey joril....wats the problem with this thread:annoyed: ....

oh..damn it...i've trying to watch this....but the pics doesn't just showup......:D ....is my system allergic to ur work????:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: .....

am i the only guy here having this problem or others are having this pooblem aswell????( all other threads are working properly.....only this one.....)

[Joril]

sarfarazsoomro: Have you disabled cookies? Enabeling them might fix it.
It's the only I thing I can think off.

Do the images show on this thread? Lycos also hosts Jeroentje's images.
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17357


Maybe direct linking will do the trick:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as91.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as9cold1.jpg

[sarfarazsoomro]

cookies are enabled.......
Jeroentje's images doesn't show up...neither at his thread aswell as at lycos.....

I m having a headache...:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
(system hanged for 15th time today:surprised )

[fellah]

it's a really cool concept, but(maybe this has been mentioned before but I don't have time to read the whole thread) I think the clothes of the wings needs more work, ragnarok has a great example at his model
ragnarok wings (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=162494#post162494)

about the colors,
I think they both look pretty good, they make the whole model look different.
the red one makes the model look more "old and handmade" whereas the blue makes it look more "fantasy". but that's just how my brain interprets it :)

keep it up :)

[Joril]

Fellah: Good point on the wings. I'm thinking of attaching them with rings (or something).
Unfortunanlty reworking the wings is a job that takes alot of time, and that's what I'm running short on :sad:
If only I could camfer egdes in LW.

[fellah]

hm, maybe try something like this(note: this is a very simple example just to show the idea, you can make it much better with some effort)
click the images for bigger res..

make the obj, mine looks like this:
http://slt.ath.cx/~fellah/WingsTut/Wings_Model_Small.jpg (http://slt.ath.cx/~fellah/WingsTut/Wings_Model.jpg)
make sure the wings are connected(merged) where you wan't them to be stuck to the poles.

then send it to layout, apply motion designer and you'll get something like this:
http://slt.ath.cx/~fellah/WingsTut/Wings_MD_Small.jpg (http://slt.ath.cx/~fellah/WingsTut/Wings_MD.jpg)

then "save transformed obj" at the keyframe you think has the best result(if you're going for a still)and you'll have something like this:
http://slt.ath.cx/~fellah/WingsTut/Wings_Transformed_Small.jpg (http://slt.ath.cx/~fellah/WingsTut/Wings_Transformed.jpg)


you can download my scene\obj files here if you wan't to:
obj\scene files (http://slt.ath.cx/~fellah/WingsTut/Wings_Files.zip)

hope it helps some, it's actually a pretty easy way and shouldn't take to much time..
but if you spend some time on it, the result can turn out great,

btw, what's "camfer"?

take care
// fellah

[Joril]

Many thanks Fellah!! :thumbsup:
The sail as it is now looks like the one you made there, but I can see where I can take it with that method, certainly if I want to let the sail stick to the poles in multiple places. I'll give it a go.
This is how it is now:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/sailscreen.jpg

About camfer, it's a handy tool in MAX which LW lacks :annoyed:
This is how it goes:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/maxcamfer.jpg

[mv]

"chamfer'" ;) LW lacks that?:thumbsdow

your concept is looking cool.

[fellah]

lw can do that :)

select to polygons where you wan't to "camfer":
http://slt.ath.cx/~fellah/Camfer/Camfer1_Small.jpg (http://slt.ath.cx/~fellah/Camfer/Camfer1.jpg)

camfer:
http://slt.ath.cx/~fellah/Camfer/Camfer2_Small.jpg (http://slt.ath.cx/~fellah/Camfer/Camfer2.jpg)

here you've the plug:
plug (http://homepage2.nifty.com/k-kazami/koubou/mentory/mentory214_65.lzh)

I don't know if it's as good as max camfer, but but..

[Joril]

Cool, thanks again :D
The tool isn't as interactive as Max's though, and it leaves single vertexes, but I'll come in handy.:thumbsup:

[dmcgrath]

A really great scripter has made some wonderful poly tools for MAYA also. They are called MJPoly tools I if there are any MAYA users that want them you can find them @ Highend3D.

Joril, it's really coming along, I can't decide which colour scheme would be better for you. They both have their elements. If the wizard is an Evil wizard than I would suggest sticking with the Red, Evil Wizards have always had a penchant for that color.

Keep up the good work.
:beer:

[Joril]

It's been a while since I worked on this challenge, this afternoon I was able to spend some time :D
This is the dragonshead that will be in the front of the ship.
Hope you all like it :)
I hope to post more updates asap.

Only a wireframe for now:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/drakenkop.gif

[Aearon]

cool, looks very promising

should blend in very nicely with your flying machine :thumbsup:

[Joril]

Hmm, still some polygonscrap that needs grinding. I'm lacking progress.
Materials need work (specular, glimmering icy procedurals, icy vapors, all that)
Freshly rendered!

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as101.jpg

[Joril]

You're propably wondering what those pylons are doing there. Well, they're supposed to hold the ropes that will be connected to the front sail, and which the elemental will have control over.
I still have to make a banner which will hang inbetween the poles too.
A new render is coming with a close up shot (and with some material tweaks).
As simple as the model may be, with the newly added trollies and ropes, the polygon count has gone through the roof again :D
C&C are still welcome of course!

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as11a.jpg

[Joril]

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as11c.jpg

[Joril]

Hmm, no replies yet.
I'm also been busy with the Air Elemental.
This is what I have this far (still very wippy).
It's 4:30 am now, I think I deserve some sleep :hmm:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/elemental.jpg

[sarfarazsoomro]

so finally i m able to c ur ship......Thats fantastic..............Great work.........And now make some arrangements for the prince and pricess to board on the Royal Ship;)

[visualboo]

Lookin sweet joril. This thing is a mammoth compared to all the other entries.

Magic bevel at work? :) Looks cool man

[Joril]

sarfarazsoomro: That's good news! I'm glad you like it. And I'm not sure the Air-Elementalist wizard will be happy about the royalty :p ;)

visualboo: It's good to hear from you. I know, Magic Bevel can be spot hours away :D
I hope the effect isn't to cheesy, I wanted to create this airy wavyness bacause the elemental itself is blowing air into the front sail.

[visualboo]

It kinda reminds me of that ship from starwars ep2 with the sail. But like a pirate space ship version :)

[Joril]

Ok, exams are finished, I want 12,381 * 2 fingers crossed for the results.
I've spent some time with the Air-Elemental yesterday.
Here's a little progress. I know it's not anatomicly correct to human standards, but this aint human :p
Still a WIP, to bad the challange is soon te be at an end. But I'll still give it a go :)

Of course, C&C is welcome. (still need some input on smokey materials/FX :shrug: )

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/elemental2.jpg

[Joril]

Added various stuff.
Any comments at all?

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as12c.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as12b.jpg

[coCoKNIght]

Thogh this is really a very nice one, it doesn't look very homemade...

Like the mystic stile it's got ;) add some fog :airguitar

[Aearon]

the stuff looks nice joril, keep going, you only got a few days left :wip: :wip:

and good luck to you, hope your exam results meet the expectations :)

i really did cross my fingers ! :beer:

[Joril]

Thogh this is really a very nice one, it doesn't look very homemade...
Well, I have to answer to that or else I'm out of the contest :D
It's not supposed to be "year 2000+ home made", it's fantasy. There are no things such as fire extinguishers, carwrecks, rubber tires, plastic, broken televisions, engines or batteries. You get my point.
Imagine what a wizard can make, he's got an army of summoned lackeys. He's got a dead Dragon's skin, vast forests for wood and a few apprentices.
As an Air Elementalist he wants to be one with his preffered element, so what better place than the heavens, thus he creates a flying ship. The sky's the limit, right?
If Wizards Of The Coast can get away with flying ships, so can I :p

And besides, do you know of a place where I can buy a flying ship like this one?

Thanks for the compliments guys! :beer:
I'll check for fog :D

[Joril]

You know the waves and foam a ship leaves in it's wake? I'm going to do just that, but with fog/clouds, see for yourself. Just a testrender atm though. Just imagine the ship sitting in there :D
I'm the biggest noob when it comes to hypervoxels so any advice is welcome.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/coldfog.jpg

[coCoKNIght]

Wow! Can't wait to see more :bounce:

[Joril]

Thanks coCoKNIght.

Here's more. note: the texture on the stone disc is going to be changed soon, coulours now suck.
I'm also going to add the elememental soon.
Challenge is almost over :surprised
Hope you all like it :D

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/as13.jpg

[Joril]

The elemental is about to be finished too.
Have a look :D
(Just a shaded screencap though)

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/elemental3.jpg

[swag]

come on man - where is the final ...:beer:

[Zardoz]

that's a very cool concept. I like the air elemental guy. It's really good.

about the volumetric waves...I think it would be cooler (and I'm not metereologicaly speaking...wow this one was really nasty for my english abilities...and probably it's mispelled:thumbsdow ) , as I said, it would be cooler to have the boat create some kind of vortex in the clouds...I'm going to try to explain my self better: the clouds are already there, they are not created by the boat; they are just 'revolved' by the boat. Did you understand anything I wrote, or do I have to go back to my dictionaries and grammar books?
:beer:

[Joril]

Thanks, guys.
I know what you mean Zardoz, well, at least I think I do :D
But it's to late now. I had a couple of computer freez-ups while renderig :annoyed: So I basically spent the entire day waiting for renders. To late to change anything else I'm afraid. I also lost alot - talking about 2 weeks - due to the exams.

The final composition is nothing special (I'm lacking the time to make it even better ;) ), but it's the model that counts.
And I promise to come up with someting original again for next challenge too!

small version of the final:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/AaBCompoSmall.jpg

Click here for the larger version (http://members.lycos.co.uk/Taskmaster/AaBCompo.jpg)
the image is 1500x974 and 313kb, so it may take a while to download.

This has been alot of fun! So thanks to everyone!! :beer:

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