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RobertoOrtiz
08-26-2004, 12:43 PM
Quote from the site:
"If you felt teased by her sexy Girls of Gaming cover, then this new feature art is going to blow your mind! Rayne is 100% topless and smokin' hot in the October issue of Playboy magazine. This is a first in videogame history and trust us when we say that Rayne does not disappoint. "

>>Link<< (http://www.bloodrayne2.com/news.php)

-R

chadtheartist
08-26-2004, 12:48 PM
That's just plain stupid. :cry:

Andyman
08-26-2004, 01:13 PM
People really need to get.... lives or something.

mummey
08-26-2004, 01:25 PM
At least its not an MMORPG character. Heaven forbid they have to enter the 'Real World' for five minutes to go buy an issue of Playboy. :rolleyes:

zem
08-26-2004, 01:27 PM
Guess I can read(well, you know...) that magazine when my digital girlfriend (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=164496&highlight=girlfriend) has a headache, huh?

aAnd here I thought humans strong point lay in their intelligence. Man, the Lemurs are gonna take over the world.

DannyDreams
08-26-2004, 01:33 PM
Well I heard that Solid Snake from Metal Gear is doing a Playgirl issue.

Meryil!

JeroenDStout
08-26-2004, 01:55 PM
*message lost in mental crashdown of user on keyboard*

sforsyth
08-26-2004, 02:04 PM
What amazes me is that playboy would think this will help sell more copies... How sad do they think the average joe is? It's insulting to everyone involved.

dgpilot
08-26-2004, 02:06 PM
wow... that's pretty pathetic

Supervlieg
08-26-2004, 02:13 PM
Smells like a PR stunt.

fahr
08-26-2004, 02:18 PM
This thread amuses me. How many digital nudes are created here on CGTalk alone that we all gush over and download to our hard drives?

Why is perfectly ok and desirable to view them here and not in Playboy? When did erotic art suddenly become reserved strictly for no-life geeks and RPG fans? If I'm not mistaken, Playboy has been displaying painted nudes in their magazine for years, in addition to photos. Why is this different?

Let's try not to be hypocrites here.

titaniumdave
08-26-2004, 02:31 PM
Ofcourse its a pr stunt but its a pretty stupid one. I doubt most playboy "readers" will be interested in a cartoon and will then go buy the game. As for ALL of us gushing and downloading the nude cg chicks here, sorry but thats not all of us. Cg women/cars are pretty much the same, theres tons of them and personally I'm alittle bored with them. Didn't maxim or one of those other magazines have marge simpson in it awhile back? Wonder if that sold a few extra copies and if it did thats pretty sad.

dgpilot
08-26-2004, 02:35 PM
This thread amuses me. How many digital nudes are created here on CGTalk alone that we all gush over and download to our hard drives?

Why is perfectly ok and desirable to view them here and not in Playboy? When did erotic art suddenly become reserved strictly for no-life geeks and RPG fans? If I'm not mistaken, Playboy has been displaying painted nudes in their magazine for years, in addition to photos. Why is this different?

Let's try not to be hypocrites here.
Cgtalk.... playboy.....cgtalk..... playboy......
Don't compares apples with grapes

balistic
08-26-2004, 02:39 PM
Playboy in the 1960s contained photos of actual human women. Ever since then, such specimens have been slowly replaced by increasingly-synthetic "woman-substitutes".

It started with silicone. Silicon is a natural progression.

slaughters
08-26-2004, 04:03 PM
1 - Playboy has had paintings and cartoon figures of nude women in it for decades. How is this any different?

2 - Have you actually looked at the women in Playboy? How "real" are they for the majority of people who buy the magazine? A Virtual Reality nude is just as obtainable to them as any of the "real" nude models used in the magazine.

3 - It is a good publicity stunt.

DannyDreams
08-26-2004, 04:34 PM
Yeah its pretty cool considering she is a Vampire, and its there Halloween/October issue. Playboy is just being festive for the season. Good job Hef. :thumbsup:

Lyr
08-26-2004, 05:00 PM
It's pinup art done with cg. I am really suprised that so many "artists" can't see it for what it is.

mummey
08-26-2004, 05:10 PM
What amazes me is that playboy would think this will help sell more copies... How sad do they think the average joe is? It's insulting to everyone involved.
1. Playboy wants to cater to a different audience they hope will bring more sales.

2. Majesco wants to get free publicity and sell more games.

How many of you even knew they were making a sequel to BloodRayne before this story was released? I liked the first one yet never heard a word about it until now.

-b

AmbientLight
08-26-2004, 05:20 PM
How many of you even knew they were making a sequel to BloodRayne before this story was released?
I did. First game sucked pretty bad tho'. So I'm surprised they're working on a sequel.

chadtheartist
08-26-2004, 05:20 PM
Well, aside from my personal beliefs, I just think this is stupid. It's not "Art". It's publicity. If it was done for another reason, other than just appearing in Playboy, I would accept it. But it's a marketing ploy to boost sales/exposure.

I don't have a problem with "nudity". The human body is beautiful. I just don't see the need for there having to be a 3D nude centerfold. It's pointless, IMO.

DannyDreams
08-26-2004, 05:22 PM
Well, aside from my personal beliefs, I just think this is stupid. It's not "Art". It's publicity. If it was done for another reason, other than just appearing in Playboy, I would accept it. But it's a marketing ploy to boost sales/exposure.

I don't have a problem with "nudity". The human body is beautiful. I just don't see the need for there having to be a 3D nude centerfold. It's pointless, IMO.
So your saying that all Graphic Design that promotes something isn't art either?

chadtheartist
08-26-2004, 05:25 PM
Use common sense and don't take my statement out of context. There is a difference between "Graphic Design" and "Playboy". Using nudity to boost sales is, IMO, stupid.

DannyDreams
08-26-2004, 05:28 PM
To me its entertaining. That what the game is....entertainment as well as playboy.

T Bomb
08-26-2004, 05:43 PM
Use common sense and don't take my statement out of context. There is a difference between "Graphic Design" and "Playboy". Using nudity to boost sales is, IMO, stupid.
I don't think he was taking words out of context to be honest w/ you. How many magazines, like Stuff and other ones use half naked if not totally naked girls (clever placement of arms and legs for covering) to sell stuff? Also, if you look at sales for alot of those companys they aren't exactly goin out of business. So honestly who's stupid? They make their money, and the guys (and some girls) enjoy lookin at the ladies. (I'm not calling you stupid, it just sounded better to end it that way)

Gein
08-26-2004, 05:48 PM
I guess this is the reason they are outsourcing so many jobs. They saw you people wouldn't like doing it (it's stupid, not art, etc.), and got someone who wouldn't mind. http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/grin.gif

Funny how replacing real naked women with digital naked women is considered a lack of life or a step down in human evolution. :)

Still, it's nice to see so many worried playboy readers on this forum.

fez
08-26-2004, 06:11 PM
Interesting gimmick. Maybe Jessica Rabbit will do the December spread! Playboy almost always features a fantastic short story along with a few funny cartoons. The bare bums and boobies are not all that bad either.

Goon
08-26-2004, 06:17 PM
okay, so their going to show her nude...
but are they going to show her wireframe? :drool:

SGT.Squeaks
08-26-2004, 06:24 PM
Well I heard that Solid Snake from Metal Gear is doing a Playgirl issue.

Meryil!

Isn't Kurt Russell a bit old for that?

chadtheartist
08-26-2004, 06:29 PM
I don't think he was taking words out of context to be honest w/ you. How many magazines, like Stuff and other ones use half naked if not totally naked girls (clever placement of arms and legs for covering) to sell stuff? Also, if you look at sales for alot of those companys they aren't exactly goin out of business. So honestly who's stupid? They make their money, and the guys (and some girls) enjoy lookin at the ladies. (I'm not calling you stupid, it just sounded better to end it that way)

I was talking about the game company using "nudity" to boost sales. I'm well aware of the other magazines you are talking about, and if the topic was on "real" nudity, then I would have made my statement on them. But the topic isn't about the other magazines. It's about a game company boosting sales by showing thier character nude.

He did take my statement out of context. I was refering to this specific topic, and he took my statement and turned it around. Graphic design has nothing to do with this topic at hand.

AmbientLight
08-26-2004, 06:51 PM
okay, so their going to show her nude...
but are they going to show her wireframe? :drool:
You're a pervert! :D

T Bomb
08-26-2004, 07:14 PM
I was talking about the game company using "nudity" to boost sales. I'm well aware of the other magazines you are talking about, and if the topic was on "real" nudity, then I would have made my statement on them. But the topic isn't about the other magazines. It's about a game company boosting sales by showing thier character nude.

He did take my statement out of context. I was refering to this specific topic, and he took my statement and turned it around. Graphic design has nothing to do with this topic at hand.
Well, I'm sure they will use Graphic Designers to pick the best posses and layouts for Playboy, being that Graphic Designers would be more familiar w/ that medium... so maybe Graphic Design will have somthing to do w/ it anyway? Besides, why should the Video Game industry be any different then other industries? They are just fallowing the trend. How many famous women possed nude in Playboy? It was either to plug themselves or to plug the current show or whatever they were doing at that time.

slaughters
08-26-2004, 07:24 PM
...But the topic isn't about the other magazines. It's about a game company boosting sales by showing thier character nude...Strange. I thought this was about Playboy showing a nude 3D character. :)

If you think the game company is demeaning itself in some way then you really do not know how low-down and mean commercial game companies get in the real world of cut throat competition. Most of them demean themselves by their mere existance and how they treat their employees.

chadtheartist
08-26-2004, 07:27 PM
I'm not trying to debate people. I offered my opinion, and other people offered there's. If you don't agree with my opinion, say so, and leave it at that. There is no need to keep beating a dead horse. I thought I was clear with what I said. I guess people still can't see where I'm coming from, which is fine. :D

T Bomb
08-26-2004, 07:47 PM
I'm not trying to debate people. I offered my opinion, and other people offered there's. If you don't agree with my opinion, say so, and leave it at that. There is no need to keep beating a dead horse. I thought I was clear with what I said. I guess people still can't see where I'm coming from, which is fine. :D

You give up too easy! Work on those argument skills. :thumbsup:

slaughters
08-26-2004, 07:56 PM
...There is no need to keep beating a dead horse...Oh, sorry. Where I come from they call it "having a dialog".

I'll have to remember that dead horse thing though.

P.S. Geez where's your sense of humor.

chadtheartist
08-26-2004, 08:06 PM
I have a sense of humor. I just don't want to keep "the dialogue, i.e. dead horse" going forever. This really doesn't even concern me anyway. I have never played any of the games this character is in, and I'm not a Playboy customer. So it's no harm to me.

The last thing I wanted was to start a flaming thread, and I feel if it kept going, I would either get upset, or someone else would.

:D

DannyDreams
08-26-2004, 08:09 PM
Hey everyone lets agree to disagree.

Besides this thread is about the one thing I think we all love. Boobies! :thumbsup:

onlooker
08-26-2004, 09:16 PM
This is so funny. I have to have one now. :wip:

slime
08-26-2004, 09:37 PM
I think it's fun.
As always this is filled with hypocrites ... ;)

chadtheartist
08-26-2004, 09:48 PM
Indeed. I will be the first one to admit being a hypocrite. If someone say's their not... I'd seriously question that. :D

nimajneb
08-26-2004, 10:04 PM
I got a good chuckle out of this one. Thanks for posting it Roberto.

MCGrund
08-26-2004, 10:23 PM
okay, so their going to show her nude...
but are they going to show her wireframe? :drool:
Nice one, mate!:thumbsup:

NanoGator
08-26-2004, 10:42 PM
People really need to get.... lives or something.

What's Playboy publishing something gotta do with anybody else?

Dougs
08-27-2004, 03:24 AM
People really need to get.... lives or something.


Thankyou, I've been building one in my basement for several years now and it seems to be coming along quite nicely I think. :rolleyes:

barpoet
08-27-2004, 04:04 AM
Give me skin in all forms, I don't play DOA volleyball for the sporting challenge :drool: Love your avatar T Bomb :thumbsup: Double Dragon rules

Signal2Noise
08-27-2004, 04:08 AM
I wonder if the Playboy staffers will have to do some airbrushing to hide any of her (BloodRayne character) flaws? You know... like they do on the 'real' models. ;)

Andyman
08-27-2004, 04:43 AM
What's Playboy publishing something gotta do with anybody else?
Uhm... well they're certainly not planning on burning every copy of it - if they want to make money they have to sell them to people; to that 'anybody else' you speak of.

I'll buy it off you, Dougs, when you're finished. I need one of those 'life' things myself.

--------

Whether BloodRayne is in Playboy or not... I don't subscribe to the magazine, so I don't care who is in there. I simply have a problem with the magazine itself. Do you know how many relationships, even between husbands and wives, are destroyed by pornography? Do you know how many men hate themselves because they, when thinking with their brain, don't like the fact that they're obessessed with porn? Pornography rapes the mind, and is degrading to women.

Yeah, the female body is a beautiful thing - there is nothing else so perfect to the male eye; but when you look at a female in a way to fanatize about her... what are you doing? You're thinking about someone else's wife that way. You're thinking about someone's sister, someone's daughter. Do you want guys looking at your girlfriend or daughter like that? I didn't think so; and yet us guys do the same thing to just any girl. Sure, it's just thoughts, it doesn't hurt anyone.... or does it? Pornography rapes the mind. One day you look at nude photos as 'art,' but not long and it becomes something to fanatize about. Girls become nothing but objects to look at. Why are there so many broken homes today? Why do men not care about their wives? Because they love only when they want to - which isn't love at all.

Sex is a beautiful thing. It's supposed to be. To me, though, sex outside of marriage is wrong; and dreaming about a girl like that, to me, is just as wrong.

I'm not saying you guys will end up wife beaters, will end up raping people... I don't mean that at all; but respect for women has been lost somewhere in this world, in exchange for our own pleasure. What makes anyone think this is right? Because it feels good, and it's fun.... oh yeah that's a good reason.

Don't tell me you guys don't wish you could look at a girl without judging her body, or dreaming about her. Don't tell me you don't know there is no real love in pornography. We men become slaves to our own desires and thoughts until we're no longer real men. We're slaves. Don't think so? Try to go one day without thinking about a girl in a way that involves her body (yes that's broad, but you people know what I mean).

I'm not saying you guys are like this. I don't mean to accuse, judge, or whatever you wanna call it; but this is the end result. I've seen it happen.

balistic
08-27-2004, 04:44 AM
I wonder if the Playboy staffers will have to do some airbrushing to hide any of her (BloodRayne character) flaws? You know... like they do on the 'real' models. ;)
UV stretch marks?

Wiro
08-27-2004, 04:47 AM
Marketing stunt or not...why pay for an issue of Playboy to see naked CGchicks when you can just come to CGTalk?

Nah

Wiro

slime
08-27-2004, 05:07 AM
Andyman, you are full of prejudices.
Most of the people don't see woman as pieces of meat, as you are suggesting :) Pornography doesn't rape the mind. Your mind is wired in a way that you can enjoy more or less images of a sexual nature. Just be honest with yourself and enjoy life, wheter you like pornography or not (Although I thought that playboy was more an erotic magazine).
Most of pornography is not denigrating women. Most of those women decided to work on that, maybe because of the money or maybe they just like it. The world is big enough for everybody, so please respect the life and thoughts of others.

The impression I have is that you are a teenager with strong religious education that is trying to fight against your happy hormons ;)

And Wiro, don't visit renderosity that much. You will became blind!!! :D

gr8t100
08-27-2004, 05:31 AM
Andyman...

http://www.cornelschneider.ch/images/Geige03.jpg

Andyman
08-27-2004, 05:41 AM
Prejudice against myself?

Yes my mind is hardwired to enjoy things like that - I'm a guy. I also would enjoy $50,000 sitting comfortably in my pocket, but that doesn't mean it'd be a good thing - by being honest with myself that I do want that money - by robbing the bank across the street from my house to get it.

Women denigrate themselves by showing themselves like that. (Playboy may just be 'erotic,' as opposed to hardcore porn - I don't read the thing, I said as much, so I wouldn't know; but that doesn't change what I said. It still applies). The women themselves know that. You ask any one of them, and I would bet they would say the same. When they lay their head on their pillow to sleep at night... I doubt there are many of them who don't wish men would love them for more than just their body, and wish they could do something better with their life. For most, yeah, it's just a 'job' so they can buy food and have a roof over their heads; but it's not an ordinary job - like construction or being a cook - they themselves I imagine realize as much.

You're correct. I'm eighteen, and I'm a Christian. I'm only eighteen.... you as a grown man (I assume you're a grown man from what you said about my age) should know better.

You have a right to your opinion, just as I do. I respect your opinion. I have not intentionally insulted you or people who agree with you - I don't even want to. Please don't take my opinion as such. I mentioned that in my first post, that that isn't my intention. I simply stated where I disagree what ya said. You can disagree with me all you want.

Man I've got a bad habit of getting off topic.

Signal2Noise
08-27-2004, 06:17 AM
gr8t100, I don't think it will be a violin in the palm of one's hand once the geek kids get their nekkid CGI issue of Playboy! ;)

Wiro
08-27-2004, 06:19 AM
I was gonna say that too but the thought of mentioning Renderocity and CGTalk in the same sentence gave me involuntary spasms.

Wiro

marc001
08-27-2004, 06:47 AM
Of all the girls in the world of video games, why the Blood Rayne girl? I saw pics of the Blood Rayne E3 booth babe, and the game version doesn't look as good.

zem
08-27-2004, 09:01 AM
Guess she wont be alone. Just the only one nude. Stumbled over this (http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/25/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm?cnn=yes)

creative destructions
08-27-2004, 09:58 AM
ahahahaahahahhaaahaaha. :D

nimajneb
08-27-2004, 10:26 AM
gr8t100, oh my god I actually did laugh out loud at that one.

Andyman,

All I'm going to say about your position on pornography is this. I am very glad that I live in a place where I can do something as politically incorrect as indulge my baser lusts by looking at a naked girl (or reasonable facsimile :)) if I feel like it. The alternative, living in fear of sexuality in a society that thinks sex is dirtier than war or death scares me more. I'm not going to bash you because you're a christian. I understand you, and it would do no good. I've met you a hundred times each day in the form of radical feminism to evangelical fundamentalism. Hundreds of thousands all over the world who would love to transplant there own mental chains to every other person on the planet. No thank you. I'll take my art dirty, my coffee black, and a healthy portion of wry laughter at any crusader.

mummey
08-27-2004, 10:53 AM
Andtman: Simply put, I disagree with you, but I respect you for giving your opinion knowing other people feel otherwise.

It is more important that we feel comfortable speaking about subjects such as these and less important defining everyone else's morals for these forums. Religion is the oldest flame war of all, and I for one am not about to get involved in it. :)

-b

PhilWesson
08-27-2004, 02:08 PM
wow,

Andyman, just out of curiosity (not trying to start, or continue any kinda war,) how do you feel about exhibitionists in pornography?

tatiana
08-27-2004, 02:29 PM
Bloodrayne was already "topless" in the Play magazine issue last fall, where they highlighted Girls of Gaming - the issue was supposed to be "A celebration of gaming's greatest females and the people who made them"...and she was most definitely photoshop'd just like every other magazine model. :)

I'm curious if the Playboy issue will have anything about the movie version of Bloodrayne that's in production...or if it's just a pictorial of the Game character. From Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/08/10/news_6104608.html):

"...Terminator 3 star Kristanna Loken signed on to play the titular bloodsucker in BloodRayne..."

t

creative destructions
08-27-2004, 02:49 PM
Wonder if they'll do a poser edition.


ahahahaahahahhaaahaaha. :D

mummey
08-27-2004, 02:50 PM
//Begin Rant:

Alright I'll bite. I never feel bad about women displaying what god gave them. Chances are they either worked hard or paid alot of money (or both) to get their body's the way they wanted. If someone thinks a display of a nude alone is sexual, then that is that person's fault, not the woman's.

As for pornography, I actually encourage it since most parents in the U.S. have too little self-esteem to teach their kids about sex, especially their daughters. I believe whole-heartedly that teenage pregnacies would actually decrease if more parents would teach their kids about sex.

Oh, abstinence-only education only oppesses teenagers, makes them morely to rebel against what is being taught, and still doesn't teach them what they need to when they finally do want to have sex.

//End Rant:

Sorry, I wanted to avoid the continuation of this discussion into morals, but I couldn't let it go without giving my own perspective on the subject.

creative destructions
08-27-2004, 03:52 PM
//Begin Rant:

Alright I'll bite. I never feel bad about women displaying what god gave them. Chances are they either worked hard or paid alot of money (or both) to get their body's the way they wanted. If someone thinks a display of a nude alone is sexual, then that is that person's fault, not the woman's.

As for pornography, I actually encourage it since most parents in the U.S. have too little self-esteem to teach their kids about sex, especially their daughters. I believe whole-heartedly that teenage pregnacies would actually decrease if more parents would teach their kids about sex.

Oh, abstinence-only education only oppesses teenagers, makes them morely to rebel against what is being taught, and still doesn't teach them what they need to when they finally do want to have sex.

//End Rant:

Sorry, I wanted to avoid the continuation of this discussion into morals, but I couldn't let it go without giving my own perspective on the subject.Well the downside to posing nude would be, if you want to get a decent, legitimate job, to get people to take you seriously or plan on having children, things might prove a little more difficult. What would your co-workers say, you might be called a skank, whore, slut and so forth for the rest of your life. What would your children say when they see your (sorry for the expression) beaver stretched on some photo on the net. It's possible that it'll remain on somebody's harddrive for the rest of your life and even longer. It'll definitely make a lasting impression. What would your partner say? Certainly not something that'll build a lasting relastionship. Single moms, dead beat dads and so forth. Certainly something to think about. It might impress some cgtalk dreeb to get a hard on or something. Anyway, other than that I can't really think of anything else to say. :arteest: That's my politics, economics view anyway.

Gein
08-27-2004, 04:29 PM
if you want to get a decent, legitimate job, to get people to take you seriously Posing nude is not a decent, legitimate job? Do they hurt anyone? Do something illegal? What?

By reading your post, I got the idea that you're worried more with other people moral standarts, than your own. Let others do the their own thinking. If they are indeed so narrow minded, that should not stop a girl from modeling or you and me for liking it.
If, by posing nude, you're called a whore, etc, it's not the fault of the model, it's everyone else that needs to "grow up".
Most of the girls that pose are doing so because it's their dream. "Be in Playboy". Sure, it may seem silly, but that's not for me to say. And by doing that, they are not dooming their social lives or creating problems for their kids. If anything, they are forcing themselves to talk to the kids about sexuality... everyone else just runs from it like the plague.

Anyway, this is another upside for the CG model on Playboy. She does not need to worry about any of this. :)

P.S.: I know my english sucks, I'm sorry, but I hope the message was understandable.

slaughters
08-27-2004, 04:33 PM
...Women denigrate themselves by showing themselves like that...How about letting the women decide themselves whether they are denigrated? The opinion that they need to be "protected" seems to be based on the assumption that they are not adult enough to make their own decisions.

As a woman, I would find *that* denigrating.

P.S. I've said my piece, so now I'll shut up on the topic.

creative destructions
08-27-2004, 05:40 PM
Posing nude is not a decent, legitimate job? Do they hurt anyone? Do something illegal? What?

By reading your post, I got the idea that you're worried more with other people moral standarts, than your own. Let others do the their own thinking. If they are indeed so narrow minded, that should not stop a girl from modeling or you and me for liking it.
If, by posing nude, you're called a whore, etc, it's not the fault of the model, it's everyone else that needs to "grow up".
Most of the girls that pose are doing so because it's their dream. "Be in Playboy". Sure, it may seem silly, but that's not for me to say. And by doing that, they are not dooming their social lives or creating problems for their kids. If anything, they are forcing themselves to talk to the kids about sexuality... everyone else just runs from it like the plague.

Anyway, this is another upside for the CG model on Playboy. She does not need to worry about any of this. :)

P.S.: I know my english sucks, I'm sorry, but I hope the message was understandable.
I understand your message perfectly, though I don't agree. Any no I wouldn't call posing nude a moral job. What direct benefit does it have on society? Funny how you say, let others do the their own thinking. Talk to women. Talk to girls. Talk to their mothers. They do it only in thinking all men like to see them nude. To a degree yes, but certainly not exposed. Clothing isn't only for fashion, it's for protection. It conceals venerable areas of our body. It hides faults and imperfections, and creates secrecy. Through out history, men have worn black suits, body armour, plate armour, bullet proof vests. You would think we would dress women in more protective clothing since they're more susceptible to demage. Now a days, it certainly doesn't do any benefits to women by exposing their body to cyber lurkers out there. Big brawly men wears heavy protective clothing while fragile women wears silk sheets. Now you're saying we should take that away. Making them look like a weak pathethic new borns in their birthday suits. Read a little about psychology and the art of war. It's a war against women, men wages. Expose your enemy, find their faults and strike. Clearly not the protectors we claim to be.

DannyDreams
08-27-2004, 05:42 PM
Again......boobies. :)

AmbientLight
08-27-2004, 05:51 PM
I understand your message perfectly, though I don't agree. Any no I wouldn't call posing nude a moral job. What direct benefit does it have on society? Funny how you say, let others do the their own thinking. Talk to women. Talk to girls. Talk to their mothers. They do it only in thinking all men like to see them nude. To a degree yes, but certainly not exposed. Clothing isn't only for fashion, it's for protection. It conceals venerable areas of our body. It hides faults and imperfections, and creates secrecy. Through out history, men have worn black suits, body armour, plate armour, bullet proof vests. You would think we would dress women in more protective clothing since they're more susceptible to demage. Now a days, it certainly doesn't do any benefits to women by exposing their body to cyber lurkers out there. Big brawly men wears heavy protective clothing while fragile women wears silk sheets. Now you're saying we should take that away. Making them look like a weak pathethic new borns in their birthday suits. Read a little about psychology and the art of war. It's a war against women, men wages. Expose your enemy, find their faults and strike. Clearly not the protectors we claim to be.
So, I guess you never took any life drawing classes. I'm sorry but you're insight onto human history and psychology are just laughable :)

creative destructions
08-27-2004, 06:00 PM
So, I guess you never took any life drawing classes. I'm sorry but you're insight onto human history and psychology are just laughable :)
What do you have to be sorry about? Laughing can be a defensive measure. Tell me more and I can change your mind. :)

Dougs
08-27-2004, 06:02 PM
This post could go real bad real quick if some of you guys arn't going to honest I mean come on? :hmm: Be taken seriously? I wish I could take quite a few of the women seriously that I've seen naked on the internet and I mean seriously.

I think the real problem is they wouldn't want to have anything to do with me...seriously. Which probably goes for most of you geeks. Now that's what I call denigrating, being turned down by an attractive woman. :cry:

The only guys that I ever knew that called a women a whore or a slut where the ones who knew they never had a chance to get her to begin with or they had just got dumped etc,etc,....Yeah I believe you, :rolleyes: it's real denigrating being cindy crawford.

I think the playboy thing should be quite interesting not to mention it'll probably save them some cash since they won't have to pay a real model all of that doe because the've just denigrated her to a life of hot pursuit by just about any guy with the cohones to do so. Some of you guys should go out to the clubs sometime and see what I'm talking about. end of rant... :banghead:

Wiro
08-27-2004, 06:03 PM
I thought this was about exploiting nekked CG birds in men's magazines for commercial gain and all it's come to is a porn vs morals discussion?!

Where are my nekked CG birds?

Wiro

creative destructions
08-27-2004, 06:07 PM
I thought this was about exploiting nekked CG birds in men's magazines for commercial gain and all it's come to is a porn vs morals discussion?!

Where are my nekked CG birds?

WiroBy Drumwhore

http://users.skynet.be/am272566/supervlieg.jpg

There needs to be a cigarette smoking emoticon. :arteest:

mummey
08-27-2004, 06:09 PM
What do you have to be sorry about? Laughing can be a defensive measure. Tell me more and I can change your mind. :) My turn. :)

People who wear clothing for protection have bigger things to worry about than their clothing... usually. Their self-esteem may be low and they are afraid of what others may think of them, or worse they may be in oppressive environments where harm WILL come to them if they dress 'incorrectly'. Just because these envionments exist, it does not justify their existance.

On a less oppressive scale, we choose to dress in certain attaire because we know it will convey certain emotions upon others, but we have that choice and that is important.

Heh, "clothing for protection": The only clothing I know for protection is chastity belts. ;)

-b

Edit: Kids... Don't Do Drugs... ;)

balistic
08-27-2004, 06:11 PM
It's a war against women, men wages. Expose your enemy, find their faults and strike. Clearly not the protectors we claim to be.
Women line up to be in Playboy, and there have been happy, voluntary prostitutes since the beginning of recorded history. Are we supposed to protect women from what they want to do?

And how much that kind of thing damages your respectabilty depends on where you are. I voted for Jessi Winchester (http://www.jessiwinchester.com/miss_jessi001.htm) after meeting her and hearing her speak about why she was running for Lt Governor of Nevada. She didn't win the election, but placed second. That probably wouldn't have happened in Utah.

AmbientLight
08-27-2004, 06:15 PM
Heh, "clothing for protection": The only clothing I know for protection is chastity belts. ;)
You got that damn right. Besides it was men who put them onto poor women.

For those who wear clothing to hide their imperfections; stop consuming goddamn hamburgers and too much beer for crying out loud. Maybe it'll fix the problem :D

creative destructions
08-27-2004, 06:21 PM
My turn. :)

People who wear clothing for protection have bigger things to worry about than their clothing... usually. Their self-esteem may be low and they are afraid of what others may think of them, or worse they may be in oppressive environments where harm WILL come to them if they dress 'incorrectly'. Just because these envionments exist, it does not justify their existance.

On a less oppressive scale, we choose to dress in certain attaire because we know it will convey certain emotions upon others, but we have that choice and that is important.

Heh, "clothing for protection": The only clothing I know for protection is chastity belts. ;)

-b

Edit: Kids... Don't Do Drugs... ;)
http://www.paralympic.ca/english/products/wallpapers/hockey%20goalie%20wallp%201024.jpg

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/images/bomb_squad_outfitted.jpg

http://www.plus.ac.uk/suits.jpg

mummey
08-27-2004, 06:25 PM
http://www.paralympic.ca/english/products/wallpapers/hockey%20goalie%20wallp%201024.jpg

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/images/bomb_squad_outfitted.jpg

http://www.plus.ac.uk/suits.jpg Interesting how none of those have to do with those cyber stalkers you keep mentioning... :rolleyes:

That is unless you mean those guys in the suits are the cyber-stalkers. ;)

-b

Edit: I could talk my head off on this thread and not get bored, but I got work to do. I'm gone. ;)

AmbientLight
08-27-2004, 06:32 PM
http://www.paralympic.ca/english/products/wallpapers/hockey%20goalie%20wallp%201024.jpg

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/images/bomb_squad_outfitted.jpg

http://www.plus.ac.uk/suits.jpg
I don't think I'd like to be a goalie and wear swimming suit. By the other hand, I don't think it would be very comfortable to swim 100m butterfly wearing hockey gear :D

Are you from Saudi Arabia by any chance? :D

creative destructions
08-27-2004, 06:35 PM
Interesting how none of those have to do with those cyber stalkers you keep mentioning... :rolleyes:

That is unless you mean those guys in the suits are the cyber-stalkers. ;)

-bWell, it's interesting seeing how this is an art forum and nobody replying minus balistic seem to get the relations to colours, strength, fragility, and imagery. Art is what your mind interrupts.

edit: people wear protective clothing besides chastity belts. ahem... you perv. ;)

creative destructions
08-27-2004, 06:40 PM
Women line up to be in Playboy, and there have been happy, voluntary prostitutes since the beginning of recorded history. Are we supposed to protect women from what they want to do?

And how much that kind of thing damages your respectabilty depends on where you are. I voted for Jessi Winchester (http://www.jessiwinchester.com/miss_jessi001.htm) after meeting her and hearing her speak about why she was running for Lt Governor of Nevada. She didn't win the election, but placed second. That probably wouldn't have happened in Utah.
Funny you never hear quotes from prostitutes saying. "I'm a prostitute, and I'm happy my whole life." With enough drugs maybe, but that's only temporary.

So basically Jessi Wichester would have lost because she was a adult actress in all 50 states minus the one.

balistic
08-27-2004, 06:51 PM
Funny you never hear quotes from prostitutes saying. "I'm a prostitute, and I'm happy my whole life." With enough drugs maybe, but that's only temporary.

Actually, because prostitution in Nevada is liscensed, safe (girls can have security to their rooms within seconds), and regulated (mandatory STD screening every couple weeks), there are many happy hookers there. I've never, erm, used their services, but I did know girls who were in that line of work.

It's only in places where prostitution is illegal and forced underground that drugs and violence become part of the picture.

creative destructions
08-27-2004, 06:57 PM
Actually, because prostitution in Nevada is liscensed, safe (girls can have security to their rooms within seconds), and regulated (mandatory STD screening every couple weeks), there are many happy hookers there. I've never, erm, used their services, but I did know girls who were in that line of work.

It's only in places where prostitution is illegal and forced underground that drugs and violence become part of the picture.Well, what kind of man likes women who's been with many many men. I guess many people wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. I bet some respectiblity is lost there.

mummey
08-27-2004, 07:03 PM
Funny you never hear quotes from prostitutes saying. "I'm a prostitute, and I'm happy my whole life." With enough drugs maybe, but that's only temporary.
That's interesting. Let's pick this post apart.

Funny you never hear quotes from prostitutes saying. "I'm a prostitute, and I'm happy my whole life.

Actually I have a friend who is one. How many have you met? She wouldn't use your words, but I'm sure you get the idea. ;)

With enough drugs maybe, but that's only temporary.

Whoh. I sense alot of fear, anger, and anguish in that statement. Let's step back and debunk some of your "assumptions"

1. Not all prostitutes are coke-sniffing, heroin-shooting chank-heads that you see on Taxicab Confessions late at night. Most of them are normal people. You probably even have a couple of them in the town you live in right now. This brings us to #2.

2. Prostitutes are human-beings. They are NOT "lesser people" that so many religious cults would have you believe. The only reason I'm not offended by your remark is because mainstream America refuses to admit otherwise.

3. Many of these people chose to live this way. They aren't doing it on your front lawn, so leave them alone.

There, now I'm done.

mummey
08-27-2004, 07:05 PM
Well, what kind of man likes women who's been with many many men. I guess many people wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. I bet some respectiblity is lost there.
I pity you if that is how you feel.

-b

slime
08-27-2004, 07:06 PM
It's great to hear the opinion of the open minded guys. Great post, mummey!! :)

creative destructions
08-27-2004, 07:08 PM
I pity you if that is how you feel.

-b
If you can sell your body for some dollars, where would your integrity lie.

mummey
08-27-2004, 07:10 PM
If you can sell your body for some dollars, where would your integrity lie.
Integrity has nothing to do with it. You confuse it with your definition of morality.

-b

creative destructions
08-27-2004, 07:20 PM
That's interesting. Let's pick this post apart.

Funny you never hear quotes from prostitutes saying. "I'm a prostitute, and I'm happy my whole life.

Actually I have a friend who is one. How many have you met? She wouldn't use your words, but I'm sure you get the idea. ;)

With enough drugs maybe, but that's only temporary.

Whoh. I sense alot of fear, anger, and anguish in that statement. Let's step back and debunk some of your "assumptions"

1. Not all prostitutes are coke-sniffing, heroin-shooting chank-heads that you see on Taxicab Confessions late at night. Most of them are normal people. You probably even have a couple of them in the town you live in right now. This brings us to #2.

2. Prostitutes are human-beings. They are NOT "lesser people" that so many religious cults would have you believe. The only reason I'm not offended by your remark is because mainstream America refuses to admit otherwise.

3. Many of these people chose to live this way. They aren't doing it on your front lawn, so leave them alone.

There, now I'm done.Let me give you some quotes, and tell you how these prostitutes came to be.

blank likes to give facials. She's sixteen, oh well he likes those kind of girls. She cheated on, I wanted to kill her, she wanted to kill me. blank is out with some girl teaching her how to roller blade. She's older than she looks, she failed kindergarden. They put themselves there, you'll get beat up. I know life is just a means to an end. Many women do not choose to be prostitutes. When I look at women, they SHOW me how frustrated they are.

mummey
08-27-2004, 07:29 PM
creative destructions: What the hell are you talking about? You last post doesn't even make any sense, let alone rebute anything I've said.

Where's a moderator? This thread has gone on too lang and gone WAY too far off-topic to be continued here.

slime
08-27-2004, 07:38 PM
It's incredible. This guy is nothing but a HUGE prejudice.

balistic
08-27-2004, 07:40 PM
When I look at women, they SHOW me how frustrated they are.
Maybe they're frustrated by chrome-armored crusaders trying to save them from themselves?

Once one realizes that women are not perfect unblemished entities to be reverently placed on unreachable pedestals, one can begin to relate to them as fellow humans.

Selling your body, or selling your art, the difference is semantic.

mummey
08-27-2004, 07:46 PM
It's incredible. This guy is nothing but a HUGE prejudice.
slime: We can't judge him for his opinions. That is how these prejudice's start.

His opinion is simply that: An opinion. I will still respect him as a person long after this thread even though he has this opinion. You probably won't see me introducing him to some of my friends though. ;)

-b

slime
08-27-2004, 07:47 PM
I'm sorry, but I cannot accept the fact that this guy thinks that prostitutes are sub-humans. :)

nimajneb
08-27-2004, 07:48 PM
Excuse me, but how did we get from CGI Bordello shots to the evils of the sex trade?

As for prostitution as good or bad, nothing is good or bad without a cultural context. In the Judeo-Christian Puritanical society known as America, prostitution in large is considered a dangerous morally degrading activity. Its criminal status associates it with other criminal acts including extortion/pandering (pimping) and illegal drug use. Even high class practitioners do not in general advertise their occupation in social circles. It is stigmatized, as is evident by this entire discussion. That being said, on the abstract level I find nothing wrong with prostitution. It is simply a woman profitting by the accident of her gender. However, no person deals with life in the abstract. Social presures are real, and shape a persons self image. Associating oneself with such a pattern is asking for both internal and external social attack. The damage resulting from such a state of affairs will be directly proportional to a woman's attachment to the societal mores. If you don't think so ask yourself would you encourage your daughter to become a prostitute.

balistic
08-27-2004, 07:50 PM
This thread is now for pictures of hooters.

http://www.bprince.com/TinyOwl.jpg

balistic
08-27-2004, 07:55 PM
Actually no, I think I'll close it. CD was probably writing a reply, but I bet it didn't have any tiny owls in it.

mummey
08-27-2004, 07:55 PM
Excuse me, but how did we get from CGI Bordello shots to the evils of the sex trade?

As for prostitution as good or bad, nothing is good or bad without a cultural context. In the Judeo-Christian Puritanical society known as America, prostitution in large is considered a dangerous morally degrading activity. Its criminal status associates it with other criminal acts including extortion/pandering (pimping) and illegal drug use. Even high class practitioners do not in general advertise their occupation in social circles. It is stigmatized, as is evident by this entire discussion. That being said, on the abstract level I find nothing wrong with prostitution. It is simply a woman profitting by the accident of her gender. However, no person deals with life in the abstract. Social presures are real, and shape a persons self image. Associating oneself with such a pattern is asking for both internal and external social attack. The damage resulting from such a state of affairs will be directly proportional to a woman's attachment to the societal mores. If you don't think so ask yourself would you encourage your daughter to become a prostitute.
I am in agreement with everything you've stated. I just hate seeing a group of people judged as 'lesser beings' based on propaganda and their own fears.

-b