holographic recording hvd

[Supervlieg]

I like the look of that disk. Very space age and all. It'll be awhile before one of these will be under your (hd)television though.

[lestdog]

hmmmm I wonder how many MP3s that will be.

[slaughters]

1 Terabyte ! Nice. Too bad that it is still in the prototype stage. That means it will be at least 5 to 10 years before it hits the consumer market.

P.S. I thought it was kind of amusing that HVD = "Holographic Versatile Disc" and not Video Disk.

[VEBO]

OMG!

VEBO

[paintbox]

Does this mean I can get a copy of the Internet ? :rolleyes:

[Para]

Fallout fans are prolly flipping out at the moment :)

[T Bomb]

1 Terabyte ! Nice. Too bad that it is still in the prototype stage. That means it will be at least 5 to 10 years before it hits the consumer market.

P.S. I thought it was kind of amusing that HVD = "Holographic Versatile Disc" and not Video Disk.

Oh comeon, you know if there is a big enough rush, want, and need for it, the HVDs will come out faster. I'd say maybe 4 - 5 yrs tops before it hits consumers. 10 yrs is quite a far stretch. All this means, is now I have to buy my movies that I had on VHS, then bought on DVD all over again.

[onlooker]

I think I saw this before it was called this. I read an article about 3 years ago referring to a claim that this company (was called 3DCD I think) made a so called revolutionary prototype holographic disc that had pyramid-triangle holographs somehow imbedded within the surface of the disc instead of the linear straight surface disc, and they were somewhat successful in recording information within two sides of the pyramid hologram on the disc.
From there they were determined on refining a laser that would record on all sides of the pyramid. The cool thing that I remember about this is that the Pyramid was able to store information not only on the surface triangle of the pyramid, but also within the 3D space of each side of the hologram.
I emailed 3DCD - the company asking if there were any investment opportunities, but got no reply. It was some cool stuff.

[JeroenDStout]

"Fasten your seatbelts Dorothy - 'cos Kansas... is going byebye!"

Woohoo... can I have one.. it's larger as my harddrive... larger as... all our harddrives, obviously.

Imagine... film quality on 1280x1024, instead of the tv-resolution... and games... large enough for... pretty much everything... and... and...

Can I have one?

:)

[Goon]

Oh comeon, you know if there is a big enough rush, want, and need for it, the HVDs will come out faster. I'd say maybe 4 - 5 yrs tops before it hits consumers. 10 yrs is quite a far stretch. All this means, is now I have to buy my movies that I had on VHS, then bought on DVD all over again.
HDTV has been available since the 80's in one form or another. Media technologies, particularly ones that require new formats and expensive new purchases by the consumer, manufacturer, and distributor, tend to take a while to gain popular support and widespread use.
VHS is still being phased out, and it could easily be another 5 years before HDTV is actually widespread. So while consumers would love to get their hands on these things, I don't see it happening any time soon, particularly replacing dvds. Though the computer industry might manage the turnover much quicker.

[Para]

P.S. I thought it was kind of amusing that HVD = "Holographic Versatile Disc" and not Video Disk.

Oh, didn't notice this earlier so I'll make a new post of it:
DVD stands for Digital Versatile Disc, not Video. Originally it was proposed that the new disc should be named as "Digital Video Disc" but when it was noticed that you could put any kind of data to the disc, not just video, it was renamed to Digital Versatile Disc just before launching the whole format.

[sykosys]

I don't think it will be too long before we see this in our drive bays. CDs took a while. DVDs just came out yesterday, and the consumer burners this morning. I just bought a Sony DVD burner for $120CDN new, that a year and a half ago cost $600CDN. Once the technology is perfected, it will probably spend 1-2 years in the high-end market paying for itself, and then show up for us lowly consumers for $800 a drive and $50 a disc...

-+ Kris gets his spot in line +- :drool:

[T Bomb]

I don't think it will be too long before we see this in our drive bays. CDs took a while. DVDs just came out yesterday, and the consumer burners this morning. I just bought a Sony DVD burner for $120CDN new, that a year and a half ago cost $600CDN. Once the technology is perfected, it will probably spend 1-2 years in the high-end market paying for itself, and then show up for us lowly consumers for $800 a drive and $50 a disc...

-+ Kris gets his spot in line +- :drool:
I agree. Once its perfected it will be out faster then a prom date that drank too much alcohol.

[Myce]

This is incredible. Technology sure is getting faster and bigger. But why would the consumer need that much space on a disc? I find DVD to have enough space at the moment for myself.

At the end of the day, they will still make good coasters. :D

[Dennik]

This is incredible. Technology sure is getting faster and bigger. But why would the consumer need that much space on a disc? I find DVD to have enough space at the moment for myself.

At the end of the day, they will still make good coasters. :D
Ever heared of Ultra High Definition? http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php?ID=8067

Well that Holographic Disk is still not enough for that technology. :hmm:

[JA-forreal]

I'm like bring on the high resolution tech stuff. Of course we will need hugh storage devices, stupid amounts of Ram, faster CPU's and faster GPU's. Our PC's will be digital media playgrounds. Oh yeah!

[JA-forreal]

Ever heared of Ultra High Definition? http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php?ID=8067

Well that Holographic Disk is still not enough for that technology. :hmm:
We will never have tech that solves everything. Who know's the average lifespan of PC tech may be a few months as we move along and come up with more cool products.

[JA-forreal]

I could see record companies combating music downloading by offering infomercials for a HoloDisk with the top hits of every artist of the 80's or 90's etc. on one disk. The downside. Who would listen to music on the radio with that kind of offering? Hehehe. They will then download your choice of songs to your HoloDisk drive on your PC via the internet. Hehe. The flip side. In the future the music companies will download "to" you.

Have fun!

[jeremybirn]

I stake no claim in the format wars, but we are only 3 or 4 years away from high-def DVDs of some kind. After decades of speculation, people are finally buying HDTVs, and soon they will be able to get their movies in HD as well.

-jeremy

[sykosys]

This is incredible. Technology sure is getting faster and bigger. But why would the consumer need that much space on a disc? I find DVD to have enough space at the moment for myself.

At the end of the day, they will still make good coasters. :D
Yep. And my first hard drive was a positively gigantic 120 megs. :)

In the end, when you have to back up 15 layers of sequential stills of a 15 minute animation, plus all the scene files, texture files, and miscelaneous crap, plus the uncompressed bits and uncompressed & compressed finished products, you'll love this. I've had projects that were at total of 19 gigs with uncompressed pre-rendered elements thrown in.... and they weren't even that complicated! ;)

[PureFire]

bring it on...I want this holographic technology built into a hard drive.

Hard Drives are the slowest componenet in your pc.

[Schwinnz]

hmmmm I wonder how many MP3s that will be. Forget MP3s ! With this you can easily store full quality 32bit WAV music. :p

[NanoGator]

This is incredible. Technology sure is getting faster and bigger. But why would the consumer need that much space on a disc? I find DVD to have enough space at the moment for myself.

At the end of the day, they will still make good coasters. :D

There was a time when people were hard pressed to fill a box of 10 floppies.

[Myce]

well speaking for myself, dvd's are enough for me, for now. Its not like im gona need a terabyte of storage on a disc for the mean time. Especially when they release them in a drum of 25. Thats like 25 terabytes. Thats a whole lot of movies/mp3s.

Its understandable for big studios and that but for a student like myself (or the average consumer), its not exactly a necessity. I just cant really see it being used in the average home within the next 10 or so years.

Dont get me wrong its definately cool technology.

[JDex]

bring it on...I want this holographic technology built into a hard drive.

Hard Drives are the slowest componenet in your pc.
Hear-Hear!!!

This is what this type of tech should be developed for. Build a Storage unit with 4 of these 1 terrabyte discs (re-writable and stable ofcourse)... with false raid 1-0... super fast r/w speeds, onsite backup.

Not enough redundancy for you... install 2 units... set up for double mirroring. Not enough redundancy for you... add in a cheap once off disc set around $3.50 per pop... one night a week backup (512b encrypted) as you sleep and ship it US post to your grandma in Albany for her to store in her basement.

This is what we need. I need it now.

[whitey_ro]

Check this : http://www.dntb.ro/users/frdbuc/hyper-cdrom/


I know about it, since 1999. Impressive achievement, but there are no news :(

[spakman]

Such real estate. Think of the games to be made.

-of course with the amount of work needed to take advantage? I wonder what the new production cycle/workload turns out to be. Could be good for everybody.

[Self-Designer]

We will never have tech that solves everything. Who know's the average lifespan of PC tech may be a few months as we move along and come up with more cool products.
I can see computers with nano-robots that will get update data from the internet and will update your computer physically like updating WinXP everyday... You'll be able to have a demo of four 21" screens for 30 days, and after it finished, those screens will disapear and u'll get back your poor old blurred 17" screen! :D

[Geta-Ve]

Check this : http://www.dntb.ro/users/frdbuc/hyper-cdrom/


I know about it, since 1999. Impressive achievement, but there are no news :(

hahaha check this out


Capacity: 10TB with extension to 100TB
Average data-transfer rate: 3Mb/s
Dimensions of CD-ROM-Drive: 80x150x300mm
Dimensions of CD-ROM: 10xø120mm
Thermic resistance: up to 550 deg. Celsius
Very high fiability
Stable in time (estimated to at least 5,000 years)



notice the 3mb/s ? thats horrid.. especially if your using 100tb..

[CHRiTTeR]

This is incredible. Technology sure is getting faster and bigger. But why would the consumer need that much space on a disc? I find DVD to have enough space at the moment for myself.

At the end of the day, they will still make good coasters. :DYes, for home-users DVD is good enough (for now...). But for studios and even freelancers this would be really great! :deal:

Have u ever rendered out a movie to uncompressed .rla files with some extra channel info (z-buffer, object-id,...) i 2K resolution? u do the math how big it can get :D . Then keep in mind that u need to store all this data in some kind of archieve :scream: .

This thing is more then welcome!
There is no thing as having too much space :wise:

[whitey_ro]

hahaha check this out



notice the 3mb/s ? thats horrid.. especially if your using 100tb..

I agree with you(it's slow for normal use , but for backup purposes is ok), although it seems that Hollywood was intersted in this for archiving all their movies :)

[CourtJester]

1 GB/s is faster than most modern hard drives, isn't it?

That disk could store all the music I've ever heard or will ever hear, and then some.

[Andyman]

Yeah. I think a good harddrive will get you about 100 or 150+mb/s trasfer rate (this isn't a fact, so please correct me if I'm wrong. I just based it on what I've seen).

Harddrives aren't exactly the fastest thing in your computer.

[raz98]

(200 times the capacity of a single layer DVD), with a transfer speed of one gigabyte per second (40 times the speed of DVD).
1 GB/sec...we have to wait some good years for that

Serial ata bus is 150MB/sec
Serial ata II will be 300MB/sec and serial ata III probably 600MB/sec

[Cman]

What about a PCIe card?
Couldn't they use that connection as an interface?
Won't the next few generations of PCIe interface get that kind of speed? And they can be stacked too, right?

[ngrava]

LOL!! This is freak'n crazy! That transfer rate... Is that real?

Well, all in all this is really good news. I have no idea whether this particular version will be successful or not but one thing is for sure, Holographic discs are in the immediate future. I've been hearing about them for a while now. You just have to wait for Sony/Phillips to make a Tivo with one and that will it. ;) Really though, the storage industry is hurting right now and they need to start making a profit in some way. If this technology is cheap enough to produce you can bet they will be chomping at the bit to get it out there making some money for them. I'm sure most of the time will be taken up in trying to decide on a standard.

I don't think this spells the end for DVD just yet. We still have yet to see many 8 gig disks out there. I bet this is because most people don't notice the compression on the 4 gig disks and they feel one movie per disk is just fine. At least until the average consumer is watching TV on an HD monitor. When HD becomes common place, then you'll start seeing people with a need for Higher capacity disks. I bet you’ll see a Tivo with one before a stand alone player/recorder.

But now this is just looking at it's implementation in the video market. You can bet your ass that sys-admins will be excited about this because it means there will finally be a backup format that's fast enough and large enough to replace those horrid tape robots. :D Yeah, look for a data version of these disks way before the video versions come out. Large companies looking for large format backup systems will shell out the $2000 a drive to have this puppy if it means you can stick in a disk and not worry about it till the TB is filled.

-=GB=-

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