Anyone thinking of sailing the XSI ship?

[Per-Anders]

your best bet is to ask in the XSI forum, though there have already been a couple of threads in here. there was a thread specifically for c4d users in the xsi forum (among quite a few others just of general poeple switching/broadening).

although on second thoughts, your best bet is to try the foundation demo. that's what you'll be getting for the base level app. if you like it, go for it.

i have advanced, it's a competent package. not as powerful or great as they myths would have you beleive, just another app.

learning it's workflow isn't particually hard (though i must say it's workflow isn't exactly brilliant, nor will you see any plugins resolving that issue, or any workflow issues throughout xsi until the sdk is radically altered).

it's real strengths are in animation, non linear animation is particular. if you're not an animator or focusing on that you might be better served elsewhere (maya for instance).

[ghopper]

I have been seriously tempted in the last few days to forgo my upgrade to 9 and get XSI instead. It does mean laerning a new app, but it has some really powerful features. Anyone else been thinking along the same lines?

Use both. C4d is good - XSI is good too .

I've already bought XSI Foundation, since it a great deal. I love the workflow, everything is very well thought out. Modeling in XSI4 is better now as well, especially bevel. Scripting seems to be very nice as well, since I can do it in JScript ( good if you're coming from JavaScript / Actionscript ).

Gonna wait for Maxon to sort out their module upgrade prices first though, since it's still a bit unclear to me. In the meantime I'm still going to use R8.5 of course :wip:

Bottom line, both are very powerful apps. If you want to try to get a job at a studio in the future, learning XSI wouldn't harm I guess.

If you haven't downloaded the Foundation Demo yet, try it out first before you buy it.

[mauves]

I've ordered Foundation last monday. Still plan to use C4D though.


With this price point, you really don't have to choose between packages, just add it to your toolset.

I mean for under 450 euros, you're getting a commercial licence for a powerful, modern package and 6 training DVD's and a printed 600 p. manual of the XSI fundamentals. That's really a no-brainer for me.

I'm getting it because I want access to Mental Ray and because most studio's (at the moment) still don't use C4D very much.


I've started a counter at the XSi forum for new Foundation customers. Check it here.

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=163601&page=1&pp=15


Most people will add it to their toolset so it seems. Most come from all the different apps.

There are already 23 new customers. Not too bad for Softimage for about a week's time, I think.


So Maxon time to rethink price policy for R9? :thumbsup:


cheers

[Byla]

xsi is a good piece of software. And so is Cinema. I say, use them both, you'll see when and where Cinema just shines and where XSI shines.

[Brent Turbo]

It's so unbelievably rare that I run into a software limitation, as opposed to a personal knowledge/ability limitation, that I can't imagine why adding 500 new keyboard shortcuts to my brain would be a good thing at this point!

[squidinc]

I dunno really, I think I'll wait until I get R9 with the updates to mocca.. I'll have a read through the manuals and Kai's book.. then maybe I'll get it for animation If I'm stuck

edit: I'll never drop c4d though.. never ever :)

[blacknoise]

im upgrading from r7 to r9... and already bought xsi 4 fundation. moving towards xsi... the best tool ive been working with. so happy with it...

[flingster]

well i'm considering it...i think if you're not a maya user and animation is your thing..and you're thinking about a career in some form of 3d then with all that training and the price it seems a little difficult to pass up. i have some reservations for the type of work i'm doing...large stills.

i really think it would be alot easier to get into than i first thought with the manuals and dvd's...there are some things which seem crazy when you come from c4d..but in reality its just a matter of getting your head around the method of working in that particular app i don't think you'd be limited by it thats for sure...some things look fantastic to have and others i would imagine would bug me but it has so much power under the hood.
i don't see any problems with trying the demo/foundation its a case of whats good for you and keeping an open mind about these things...what app enables you to do what you want.
take a look at the softimage forum..i posted a thread about c4d users rather than enflame the hard core c4d users here, tried to be a little less controvertial.:shrug:

[nhytro]

Hi guys, could some kind soul that "sails" the XSi ship comment on a few features? Although I love C4D , the pricing really bothers me. I´ve only 8.2 and BP1, upgrading to me would mean more than 700 Euros!!!

Things that I think that the "sailor or sailors" should comment on:
1. Stability, if it aint as stable as C4D I aint using it :-)
2. The Unwrap/paint functions; are they as good as BP1?
3. Is there a "tweak mode" ( I really hated C4D for not having this)
4. Is rigging hard? I´ve got the StrayCat pakage which is the best out there when it comes to usability or price
5. Work flow.


Thanks!

[sebek27]

XSI looks good and all, but I just don't see someone who uses C4D or even LW for freelance work/hobby moving to XSI. It seems to me that texturing and rendering looks a lot harder and will take a long time to learn even the basics. C4D has everything you need unless you want to do high end character animation, I don't see why you would switch; adding it to your toolset I can understand..

[AdamT]

2. The Unwrap/paint functions; are they as good as BP1?Based on the XSI videos it looks like they have a very nice unwrapping feature--but there's nothing in there like BP's painting tools (BP1, let alone BP2). So when comparing prices it isn't really fair to compare the cost of Cinema + BP to XSI. Just compare the Cinema upgrade cost to the cost of buying Foundation.

[Personne]

XSI and upgrade to Lightwave 8 are the reasons why I hesitate to get R9.

[RorrKonn]

Am I thinking right ?
the Stock C4D = XSI Foundation.
C4D+1/2 the Mods=XSI essentials.
C4D + All the Mods = XSI Advanced.

Oh, I don't have XSI and not planning on getting it any time soon.
have other stuff I need worse,starting with a new PC.

PC Specks
Celeron Pent 4, 1.7ghz, Hard drive 80 GB, 1.00 GB RAM.
GeForce 2 MX 400, 64 RAM
windowsXP

Wouldn't you agree ?

after the PC
Vue,WorldBuilder or = to.
Photoshop,primer,aftereffects.
Probably wouldn't hurt to buy ever mesh DAZ sells.
MOCCO,Messiah,Kaydra.

Have a long to get list.before I worry about XSI.
Since I will never see $6000 at one time.
I like C4D's ways of getting one peace at a time.
In a few years I will actually have a Highest End App :)

RorrKonn
http://www.Atomic-3D.com (http://www.Atomic-3D.com)

[flingster]

Am I thinking right ?
the Stock C4D = XSI Foundation.
C4D+1/2 the Mods=XSI essentials.
C4D + All the Mods = XSI Advanced.


i would say probably more like c4d core, AR, mocca2...(TP/dynamics?) dunno
c4d studio +shave -s&t is probably xsi advanced?
i think rather than cause an app war on here...if you're interested in xsi you should take a look at the softimage forum on cgtalk they have a range of threads covering your questions.
http://www.softimage.com/products/Xsi/v4/comparison/
:shrug:

[Gwot]

I don't think you can accurately compare with generalized "this app + these plugins = that app" statements.

I'm convinced after using the R9 demo that even with MOCCA I still wouldn't have as powerful a character setup and animation tool as I do in XSI. I also think the UV tools in XSI are the best I've seen in any other app out of the box. Though combine BP2 with C4D and that changes things. I think I like the modeling tools and workflow in R9 better than what XSI offers, but not nearly enough to think they will give me a major speed increase, as XSI's tools are pretty solid. Tweak mode is severly limited by only working on verts in XSI.

I definitely prefer the UI in C4D but again, XSI works and works well, despite not being very pretty.

I think it really depends on what you want to do with the app. For character setup and animation I'd have to choose XSI. For everything else though... I'd say R9 looks like it competes rather well. I'll be watching to see how C4D evolves from this point forward because R9 has been the first worthwhile update for me to consider a purchase.

[Thalaxis]

I have been seriously tempted in the last few days to forgo my upgrade to 9 and get XSI instead. It does mean laerning a new app, but it has some really powerful features. Anyone else been thinking along the same lines?
Adding, yes. Switching... no.

I like Cinema's interface better (it has considerably more visual feedback), and Cinema's less buggy.

But the character animation tools in XSI are... impressive. v9 closes the gap IMO, but the person in charge is switching, so I'm complementing my toolset with it, since I'm building the character rig for him :)

[Thalaxis]

Am I thinking right ?
the Stock C4D = XSI Foundation.
C4D+1/2 the Mods=XSI essentials.
C4D + All the Mods = XSI Advanced.

No... XSI Advance = C4D Studio - BodyPaint + Digital Fusion + Shave and a Haircut.

But I'm with Gwot.

[jorgevaldes]

I bought it last week, and I don't even have a PC to run it on yet. All the training materials included are just too good to pass up, AND it comes with a printed manual. Bad move on Maxon's part not including a printed manual...

[Tugmaster]

Naw, not me. I'm going for R9 in a few weeks. Maybe when I've learned everything there is to learn in C4D as far as modeling and squeezed everything I can out of the renderer as far as creating realism then I might have time to play with something else. Besides, you all must not be married. Getting money for this hobby is like trying to suck an elephant thru a straw when it comes to my wife. ( AKA Hilda The Pain Mistress )

[RorrKonn]

oh I agree ya can't compare App's.
mainly cause some App's ya just click better with.
even if they have the same tools.

reckon I should have worded that better some how.
"Am I thinking right ?
the Stock C4D = XSI Foundation.
C4D+1/2 the Mods=XSI essentials.
C4D + All the Mods = XSI Advanced."
but I meant more or less, sort like, not a absolute.

trying to ask this in a way it don't aggravate any one or start a war.

When you all say XSI has killer Character animation.
Reckon you all mean XSI Advanced and not XSI Foundation ?

this is not a absolute answer, it's a sorta kind alike, more or less answer.
I am just trying to get the general knowledge of it all.
XSI Advanced and Kaydra our more or less, sorta kinda = ?
So if ya have Kaydra ya wouldn't need XSI Advanced.
or if ya had XSI Advanced ya wouldn't need Kaydra. right ?

Just trying to find out if I am I missing something ?

RorrKonn
http://www.Atomic-3D.com (http://www.atomic-3d.com/)

[Thalaxis]

oh I agree ya can't compare App's.
mainly cause some App's ya just click better with.
even if they have the same tools.

I'm very impressed with XSI, but, overall I still prefer Cinema.


reckon I should have worded that better some how.
"Am I thinking right ?
the Stock C4D = XSI Foundation.
C4D+1/2 the Mods=XSI essentials.
C4D + All the Mods = XSI Advanced."
but I meant more or less, sort like, not a absolute.

I didn't mean for that to sound harsh or anything.

It is interesting to note that when you take the compositor into account, Cinema and XSI are now in the same price range (!).


When you all say XSI has killer Character animation.
Reckon you all mean XSI Advanced and not XSI Foundation ?

Actually, Foundation as it turns out has the same character animation tools that rest of the line has. That's the big thing that makes it such a good deal. There are a bunch of other highly automated rig components in Essentials that you don't get with Foundation, but the experienced users at XSIBase said that you can still do all of that with Foundation. The only catch is that you don't get SCOPS and you have to build the sophisticated stuff yourself.

SCOP by the way = Scripted OPerator. I'm not entirely clear on what they are yet, so I can't really explain it. You'll have to ask someone who knows XSI better than I do :)


this is not a absolute answer, it's a sorta kind alike, more or less answer.
I am just trying to get the general knowledge of it all.
XSI Advanced and Kaydra our more or less, sorta kinda = ?
So if ya have Kaydra ya wouldn't need XSI Advanced.
or if ya had XSI Advanced ya wouldn't need Kaydra. right ?

If you have XSI, Motion Builder's redundant, IMO. On the other hand, Motion Builder seems a bit limited for non-biped/quadrupeds. In fact, the only reason we aren't using Motion Builder for our project is that it can't auto-rig anything that isn't either a biped or a quadruped. I have Messiah, but our art director doesn't, and now that it would actually cost MORE for him to get Messiah:Studio than for him to get XSI Foundation, it became pretty much a given.


Just trying to find out if I am I missing something ?

No, not really. I don't think that very many people are actually jumping ship, so much as seeking to take advantage of a killer deal. I know I fit into that category.

[Per-Anders]

scops are the same as a COFFEE expresion. xsi has no node based expressions (so nothing like xpresso, or maya's hypergraph), so if you're going to use it for any length of time then likely you will have to get used to scripting for everything from simple expeesions through to getting any sort of scene interaction with textures (i.e. if you want proximal, be prepared to code it, unlike for instance maya's hypershade where you have full scene interaction too).

[Thalaxis]

Thanks for that.

Ironically, that probably means that it will be easier for me to get used to, since I'm so used to writing code anyway. :)

But then again, since I'm getting Foundation, I won't have access to SCOPs anyway.

[moka.studio]

Not switching. I am very interested in Xsi. I started as a Max User+FormZ user, converted to C4d with v7 ( still use FMZ once in a while). We have Maya in the office - we used it primarily for a complex organic,form ( we do architecture.). However, when it comes to experimenting, especially for competitions, I find C4d better than anything else I have tried so far.
The deal from Xsi seems quite impressive... But C4d r9 adds pretty much everything I wanted, so I am very satisfied. The modelling is as good as, or mostly better, than anything else I have seen for poly modelling ( well, the soft selections should be improved IMO, and a Object axis tools like the Model Axis tools would be very usefull).
So I am upgrading our 2 studio bundle seats... and adding a third one!
jp

[fxgogo]

Bad move on Maxon's part not including a printed manual...
Yeah, for 8.5 sure I can understand that, but for a major release no, that is crazy. I would expect to see some reduction in the price then. S&T was the same deal, and it was a heafty manual when I printed it out at work ;). I think it is a great idea to not print manuals, purely for enviromental reasons, but until we get a cheap, portable medium to read those pdfs, it won't be a great way to read the manual. My manual goes everywhere, to work, outside, the toilet and nothing beats that tactical medium yet.

Tugmaster, like you I am to also married. We have just bought our first house and I have a 17month old child, so R9 is way down the list of priorities.

[Galo]

Well, ive seen artists make stunning renders in carera studio, but that does not mean i have to buy the package.


XSI is one of the most used packages at the big studio now, and cinema is still lacking in High-End production, and that's a fact, so depending on what YOU wan't todo with it, decide, you know if it's worth buying yourself.

At the end, it's the man behind the screenz that does it, not the package guys....

[ghopper]

XSI is one of the most used packages at the big studio now, and cinema is still lacking in High-End production, and that's a fact ...

And you know this from where ? :hmm:

[RorrKonn]

Thanks for the XSI,Kaydra,Scripted etc etc Education.

Manuals ? if ya want one then I think ya should be able to get one.
Video tutorials ? BP2 Video tutorials were very helpful.

Anybody got the full version of C4D9 yet,Does C4D9 have Video tutorials ?

Several threads about XSI,Silo Not much about Modo.
never got Silo cause it's so much like TS.

Think Modo interest me more then XSI Foundation.
LWers would understand.

RorrKonn
http://www.Atomic-3D.com (http://www.Atomic-3D.com)

[RangTang]

The specific enticement to the XSI Foundation version is in the upgrade pricing. You can upgrade to the higher versions and not loose a penny. Wink-wink Maxon.

[brammelo]

XSI is one of the most used packages at the big studio now, and cinema is still lacking in High-End production, and that's a fact.I'm sure ILM would disagree, and so would Pixar, and actually, so would Sony Imageworks. C4D is used by those guys, not for character animation, but for 3D scenery development and rendering (a.k.a Matte painting, but then in 3D in this case). You might want to ask Simon Wicker about this.

An before you start a debate on the lack of support for third party render engines: don't you think that a studio capable of writing their own 3D package is also capable of writing a plugin for the connection between C4D and Renderman?

Cheers,
BaRa

[Brent Turbo]

I'm sure ILM would disagree, and so would Pixar, and actually, so would Sony Imageworks. C4D is used by those guys, not for character animation, but for 3D scenery development and rendering (a.k.a Matte painting, but then in 3D in this case). You might want to ask Simon Wicker about this.
That doesn't make Galo's post incorrect ("cinema is still lacking in High-End production, and that's a fact"). I'd say a very small handful of Cinema licences for matte artists, compared to thousands of Maya and Softimage licences still makes Cinema small potatoes in the film industry. Even Electric Image still gets more action than Cinema (the Pod Racing scene in Episode 1, for instance). It's a sad fact, but I know people who work at a lot of studios, including the ones that you mentioned, and 9 times out of 10 if you mention Cinema 4D, they say "Cine-what? 4-what?"

[wuensch]

They used to say that about 3Dstudio, too-- which then became 3ds Max, and now (does it still have? I dunno) is the software with the most sold licences and No1 in Games design.
So what?
Are we talking ability of the software or how long it takes to get known in the studios?
FX people, contrary to what one would think, are a conservative lot (for good reason: better a pipeline that works and is not 100% hip than one of latest brand new apps with high risk of exploding in your face).

You will most likely see in the nearer future cinema used more by one or other project.
My bet on it, if alone for the nice clothes.
Then maybe one day in areal hollywood flic or in a game (we still need some better support of DirectX here!)
It takes time, especially since the softwares widely used (Maya, XSI, Max) in Movies do not offer significant weaknesses.

Where Cinema interestingly rolls up its market is from the Graphic artists&illustrators that not necessarily do 3D only and now jump the 3D bandwagon.
They generate masses of users there, just like 3DStudio did at their time.
(Their strongest selling point was that it was the only 3D app available for an IBM compatible PC)
Lets see what evolves out of that.
The movie industry, fascinating as it may look, is not the future of the 3D apps mass licence business anyway.
Its games .
Applause to Z-Brush here for coming with a Displacement/Normalmap creation process none of the big boys had envisioned.
(I know Maxon has some catch up to do in that area, too--- but it looks as if the groundwork is laid out , and we even have a nice Normal-Mapper available with Paranormal PlugIn now, a superb Texturing tool in Bodypaint, lots of Plug-In writers now--- getting better by the minute)

Olli

[Galo]

I'm sure ILM would disagree, and so would Pixar, and actually, so would Sony Imageworks. C4D is used by those guys, not for character animation, but for 3D scenery development and rendering (a.k.a Matte painting, but then in 3D in this case). You might want to ask Simon Wicker about this.

An before you start a debate on the lack of support for third party render engines: don't you think that a studio capable of writing their own 3D package is also capable of writing a plugin for the connection between C4D and Renderman?

Cheers,
BaRa
Wow easy there fella..... :) think happy thoughts, i wasn't trying to dish cinema4d, it's my main 3d tool, and 1 thing i know for sure is that cinema4d has a great future and maybe realease 9 is actually having those plugins but i am talking about today, and we don't have those plugins today have we....

Anyway, C4D is great, if you can work with it.... stick with it and use a secondary tool with it for rendering and texturing purposes and maybe animation if you wan't to but maxon is really comming along fast with a great community, and if you are aiming at career posibilities you better stick with c4d.

There's a lot to come...

[MJV]

You know what's really scary? Not finding out that there's something out there that will let you work better and faster and for less money than Cinema, but finding out that there isn't. The fact is that everyone at some point will look and hope for something better. Knowing or rather thinking that there is such a thing waiting for you for when you're ready and the time comes is comforting. But when that time comes and you start to look around and you discover that there is no such thing, that is frightening. Then you find that you're completely at the mercy of your skill, talent and determination, and that there are no more excuses.

[hundredthirtyseven]

FX people, contrary to what one would think, are a conservative lot (for good reason: better a pipeline that works and is not 100% hip than one of latest brand new apps with high risk of exploding in your face).
I totally agree. I even think that some shots of the last two Star Wars movie films were just crap compared to some good C4D images. They just don't use the best tools, don't have the best-looking CG even if people think they do. They just use something they know already, something they trust and that's all. Who cares if it looks like a video game as long as the kids go?

------

I think there are two reasons why someone here would change to XSI. 1. New low price tag. 2. You can get a better job. My answers are: 1. Try to upgrade your package or try to build a small render farm. You can't? Ooops, we're sorry 2. That's true. But that was always so. Why do you want to change right now, when Cinema improves so fast? This is the 3rd forum here about this XSI thing. I just have the feeling that some people have eaten avid's marketing s***:)

[RorrKonn]

Then you find that you're completely at the mercy of your skill, talent and determination, and that there are no more excuses.ugh,what ? You don't honestly expect me to take responsibility for my own actions do ya ?

This is the 3rd forum here about this XSI thing. I just have the feeling that some people have eaten avid's marketing s***:) What ? Mines BIGGER then yours.Is that not the greatest reason to fight to the top on the S@^% Mountain ?

Think you all need to get back to the brain washing factory.
having people think for them self's,
taking responsibility for there own actions,
gezz whats this world coming to.:D

RorrKonn
http://www.Atomic-3D.com (http://www.atomic-3d.com/)

[Per-Anders]

please people, less fighting or chances are teh thread will be closed.

all the applications are good. none of them give you talent. some do make certain jobs easier. with xsi animation is a breeze, and game development is catered to far more. with cinema i'd say modeling and expressions were far easier. the tools can work in simbiosis, and no-one has to give up one or the other. software is not a religion.

[Ric535]

software is not a religion.
......Amen :)

[Simon Wicker]

Even Electric Image still gets more action than Cinema (the Pod Racing scene in Episode 1, for instance). It's a sad fact, but I know people who work at a lot of studios, including the ones that you mentioned, and 9 times out of 10 if you mention Cinema 4D, they say "Cine-what? 4-what?"
ei was used for some of the backgrounds in the ep1 pod race by the digital matte painting department at ilm and for some hard body surface work by the then 'rebel unit'. ei is no longer used by anyone at ilm. work has switched over to other pipelines since then.

currently some of the best matte painters in the world are using cinema for their work (bob scifo, ivo horvat spring to mind) which to my mind gives cinema the stamp of approval for doing large scale digital environments of any kind. in my opinion cinema is THE best tool for this purpose currently available.

if you are into digital environments then programs like maya and xsi have very little to offer.

the fact that people haven't heard of cinema is their problem - i allow my work to speak for itself.

cheers, simon w.

[Thalaxis]

currently some of the best matte painters in the world are using cinema for their work (bob scifo, ivo horvat spring to mind) which to my mind gives cinema the stamp of approval for doing large scale digital environments of any kind. in my opinion cinema is THE best tool for this purpose currently available.

Prove it!!! :D


the fact that people haven't heard of cinema is their problem - i allow my work to speak for itself.

With v9 being what it is, I somehow doubt that it will remain the dark horse for much longer.

And with Darf's new toys coming down the pike...

[youandwhosarmy]

I am not a Cinema 4D owner yet, I have been playing with the 8.5 and 9 demos for a couple of months now. I am looking to purchase the Studio Bundle in the next couple of months. I just found out this morning that the institution that I work for (a museum) may qualify for XSI Advanced Institution pricing (thats about $400 for the package).

But....I am still going for the Studio Bundle.

Call me crazy or whatever you like but C4D is a pleasure to learn and work with. I am relatively new to 3D and though I would really struggle to learn to model, animate etc but C4D has proven to be so logical and easy to use that I am now quite confident that I will be able to master it. Sometimes time and confidence are more important than money.

Also....
Sketch and Toon
Bodypaint 3D
A beautiful renderer

:)

Now if only they could fix Dynamics and work on a fluid solution.

[Elysian]

It's always good to look at another application once in a while (not every month!), but now some of you really start to sound like those "can't-make-up-my-mind" dodos like sebek27.

I also think that some need a wake-up call. Most of you are NEVER going to have a job in 3D, get used to it, so it really doesn't matter what program you use. Heck, if you like Carara or Truespace, who cares. And even those who will get a job in 3D will soon find out that it's not all paradise, even if you have all the qualities.

It would we a good idea when the pros in these forums would share their experiences, the good sides, but above all, also the bad sides. Maybe then we will have less wanna-be-artists on this board who switch every 8 months from one program to the other.

To be honest, I feel sorry for them...

[VagabondDead]

It's always good to look at another application once in a while (not every month!), but now some of you really start to sound like those "can't-make-up-my-mind" dodos like sebek27.

The only post I saw by sebek27 was to say he didn't understand why someone would switch from Cinema. Doesn't sound like he can't make up his mind...

I also think that some need a wake-up call. Most of you are NEVER going to have a job in 3D, get used to it, so it really doesn't matter what program you use. Heck, if you like Carara or Truespace, who cares.

I think that the huge number of C4D users that don't have any intention of getting a job in 3D care. Many users don't want to do 3d, they just want to use the occasional 3d graphic to liven up a web or graphic design piece. And for those people, the biggest considerations are going to be price and ease-of-use, so checking out what other programs have to offer is very worthwhile.

Cheers,
Josh

[bolek]

to each it's own

[Elysian]

The only post I saw by sebek27 was to say he didn't understand why someone would switch from Cinema. Doesn't sound like he can't make up his mind...I guess you never checked his 1,000+ previous posts.... :rolleyes:

[ThirdEye]

lemme share a secret with you all, this thread is quite close to the trashcan

[AdamT]

lemme share a secret with you all, this thread is quite close to the trashcanWould this push it over the edge? XSI SUKS!! CINEMA RULEZ!!! :)

[wuensch]

yo! and Cinemats are homeboys!
XSilons are Lamers..
Duh--

[jorgevaldes]

lemme share a secret with you all, this thread is quite close to the trashcan

That would be a mistake... I see no trash talking (other than Adam's, but he's kidding) no "my app is better than yours" or anything like that... I didn't know discussing other aplications was forbidden.

I really don't want to get on the moderators bad side here as this is a very cool online community, but I've seen quite a few boards go dow the drain because of iron-fist ruling where threads are locked/deleted if they are not to the moderators liking.

I fully understand that: "The Moderators reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread with or without reason or notice. Polite enquiries will be listened to. Any form of harassment will not be tolerated and is cause for instant banishment from the site"

but first on that list it clearly states:" CGTalk is a professional, moderated forum. It's a place to talk about all things related to computer graphics. It's NOT a free speech forum"

This thread is clrearly related to Cinema 4D, and I don't see anyone pushing any specific agenda, only discussing the pros/cons of adding a tool to their set.

So I respectuflly ask for it to be left open, since maybe other people have more to share or contribute to this discussion...

I am particularly interested in this as I recently purchased XSI, and am a C4D user so it's interesting to read about other people that are in the same position or maybe considered it and decided otherwise, etc.

[bolek]

Elysian remember this thread:

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Originally Posted by Elysian
I knew it, I knew it! The final proof after reading this thread. I always guessed that people who liked 3DS Max were mostly young people, kids actually, who like to play games and who teach each other that 3DS Max is the ideal modeling/animation tool that is mostly being used for games (even if it's used for a lot of other things). Since the kiddos like games, they try 3DS Max. Do you also notice that only a few older people replied? Because they all moved to something better once they got to know this big, slow fat elephant called 3DS Max. I tried it twice but I never liked it for one bit. 3DS Max is not made for artists, programs like XSI, Maya are however. The amount of members younger than 16 is amazing. Yeah right, and daddy didn't make a fuzz of it to buy them the software, duh! Nothing but warez kids who move from one app to the other because they can afford it (it's free).


I really wish you are sarcastic because it's probably the most stupid reply I've seen yet on CGTalk.

Max is as capable as any other application. Well I talk for myself, I'm on the games industry.

You tried it twice, now how can you say you don't like it. Go hide somewhere man.

looks like you write crap everywhere you go !

[macman3d]

Hi All,

I've been a long time C4D user....amazed at what a great job Maxon did with R9. But from a student's perspective.....getting a commercial license of XSI for only $495.00 is very hard to resist...considering I would have to spend roughly $590.00 to get an educational license of C4D XL with Bodypaint. I am very loyal to C4D.....but looking into the future, as has been stated before in this thread, having XSI on the resume would look much better than C4D. And that is what I need to be thinking about. So, yes, I am going to be getting XSI.

Now my question:) The poly editing tools in R9 are some of the best I have seen, especially the new knife tool. Are there tools equal to or better than these in XSI? I've downloaded the demo but haven't had the time to dive down as deep as I would like to.

Thanks!
-Josh

[ThirdEye]

This thread has turned into a Sebek27 discussion and a "is C4D into the studios?" which isn't helping anybody at anything. Apps comparisons are allowed, but not encouraged since they usually turn into something else (flames, app wars or something even lamer, like in this case). People are usually smart enough to download the demo versions of the programs they wanna compare and decide for themselves. I personally don't have many problems with people talking about hot air, it's their choice, but i'm not the only user of this forum, and some people are already starting to have enough of these senseless discussions and complained to me. The C4D vs XSI polite discussion ended about 10 posts ago, i don't see many reasons to keep this thread alive. I'll keep it open, i don't want any "mods are dictators" discussions, people here don't want to lose their time on that stuff. As I already told you i like letting people talk about whatever they want, but please, don't pass the line.

[jorgevaldes]

I'm sorry, my mistake entirely... I missed the page where it blew up and it became a name calling kindergarten brawl.. sorry to have implied anything or wasted bandwith... I will read throughly any thread I wish to reply to before doing so in the future.

[hundredthirtyseven]

Would this push it over the edge? XSI SUKS!! CINEMA RULEZ!!! :)
How about adding a little ideology to this? There are two kinds of C4D users. The TRAITORS, these little pseudo-cinema users, GET THEM UP AGAINST THE WALL, RUN LIKE HELL you abnormals .... and there are the REAL ones, who really trust the app and who would never leave it for another one. And let me tell you what! All the philosophers wanted just to define the world. Our object is to change it! Burn the churches to the ground! (Oops, that was the wrong book...)

How was that?:)