Zapan's demon

[Coolhand]

awesome, though isn't his canine one tooth to far back?

[Obi-one]

great start, and nice concept. I like it

are you also going to model the body or just the head?

[thjazi]

great modeling and concept!!
the big jaw is good !! :thumbsup:

[Psionic Design]

Coming along very nicely and the modelling looks good, very mean looking demon as well!!

[Zapan]

Wow thanks to all for these great comments

Coolhand : I put the teeth very quickly so I'm planning to arrange them, the canine will be fix

Obi-one : thx man check out this update I'm starting the body...

thjazi, Psionic Design : Thank you guys..

Update

There is a lot of details that I will add on his head but I was so impatient to start the whole body...

C&C Thx in advance

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/zapan/Demon/Torsestart.jpg

[andrewley]

Great design Zapan. He looks lethal. Wer're gonna need wires but here's some crits...
The abs look like they are being sucked into the torso. I'd bring them out a bit and give them more mass.

The neck muscle look a bit random. I think they could be shaped and arranged better. They also seem to flow into the jaw.

But yeah, good work bud. This could be really good.

[DannyDreams]

Very cool. It kinda reminds me of Blizzard's Diablo character mixed with an Alien. But very nice job modeling.

http://d2sexp.webpark.pl/tapety/800/DiabloDesktop-1024.jpg

[Zapan]

Andrewley : thanks I will try to fix them and also the neck...I will post some wires later

Dannydreams : Thanks and nice Diablo's pic. Maybe inspirated of Diablo or Alien but as I said I made that draw in 2001 so I don't remember which kind of inspiration I used.
Maybe just a scary monster with a big smile (as a cartoon)...lol

C&C

[Zapan]

Little update ... I'm very not sure of the anatomy but I just try to make him strong
So tell me what you think of it (I'm very not satisfied with the deltoïds...)

C&C Thx in advance...

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/bras3.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/bras4.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/bras5.jpg

[cg219]

Modelling is great. And nice concept. DO you plan on creating the whole body, and if so, do you have any concepts of his whole body?

Edit:
Oh what app are you using?

[Goul]

Indeed he looks strong :D

Great modeling so far , i can't stand to see a wire :thumbsup:

[shazzed]

Awsome concept. really like the arms they look great.

[LanZ]

Great work! Makes me realize how much i have left to learn...

[BonciuToma]

love the modeling. Could you post and a lowpoly ?

I also like the idea of the bones that come out from the flesh, like the spine and the others.

Great work.

[aLxDesigns]

awsome drawing!!
love the model so far!
how can i make those pointy horns pointy?

[borchert]

My god thats a cool design, the head is very cool, but you could have a second go at his abdomen it looks a little weird having said that I can only say: cant wait to see it finished

[Zapan]

Hi everybody

cg219 : Thx, I guess it will be an entire model but the body is made without a real concept I'm modelling something that I find it would be cool :) and I'm using maya...

Goul,shazzed,Lanz,Bonciu_toma,Burning_Frust,Borchert : Thx to all I will post low poly and wires later, when I will clean up the mesh a little bit, for now it's kind a messy...:blush:

Here an update with the legs , still not right with the anatomy but I will arrange all the mistakes when the whole body will be done....Btw the skull necklace is just for fun :)

Please C&C

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/jambe1.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/jambe2.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/jambe3.jpg

[BonciuToma]

awesome :interior skelet. It's great becouse in an animation he could get himself hurt so you can see what is under that skin.

[Zapan]

Thx Bonciu_Toma


Actually the bones inside arms and legs were here to help me for the pose and proprtions but I'm wondering if like the spin I won't put them came out the skin, because obviously people enjoy this ....
Thx again

Still C&C

[DannyDreams]

The muscles in the arms bother me a bit as I'm not sure if you were going for that but they are a little dumpy like. But sweet model, love the skulls on his necklace.

[Zapan]

Thx danny now I've finished the body now I can correct the anatomy mistakes and rearranged the mesh...

Front and side view of the whole body plus the translucide view to see the bones in.
Hope you will like it.

Please C&C...

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/bodyfront.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/bodyside.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/bodytrans.jpg

[BonciuToma]

I like the last image.

[Zapan]

Hmmmm Does it mean that you don't like the others ?
Anyway thx

[Pyrotechnic]

Amazing, simply amazing.

[Zapan]

Thank you very much Pyrotechnic

Wires

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/wire.jpg

[andrewley]

I like the proportions and the posture of the character but look at his spine. It makes a 90 degree turn at the neck. I think it would look much better if the spine shape was more believable.Also I think you know the muscles need work.

Keep going

[niki]

nice concept and good modelling ..

[BonciuToma]

Hmmmm Does it mean that you don't like the others ?
Anyway thx

I like the other images too but I like the last one better. The wires : I've lurned something from watching it.

What are your plans ? Are you gonna model an environment for him too ?

[Napa!m]

very impressive work :)

[Zapan]

Thx to all for those great comments

Andrewley : I totally agree with you about the muscles but I realize that most of them will be hide by his armor so I won't spend too much time on it...I tweak them a little bit before this update. For the spin thing It's not very realistic but I like it like that so sorry it won't be changed...sorry

Bonciu_Toma : Oops sorry and yes I will make an entire scene for him...I hope

Niki, Napalm : Thx you guys

Update

Hope you will enjoy these armor parts, Btw if anyone picture it differently or doesn't like some parts please let me know before I texture it...Thx in advance

C&C

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/zapan/Demon/armor1.jpg

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/zapan/Demon/armor2.jpg

[StoneR]

the armor seems very lacking, in fact id rather call them pads because they dont really cover vital body parts, maybe give him some chest armor that covers his shoulders, kinda like football or lacrosse pads.

also his pose makes him look like he's falling on his face or something. lastly why are his horns and bones shiny?

[DannyDreams]

the armor seems very lacking, in fact id rather call them pads because they dont really cover vital body parts
Yeah his character doesn't really look like the type that needs to worry about anyone getting to his "vital body parts". I like the way his armor is set and the skulls around his torso rocks. :thumbsup:

[Tonik]

Another great looking model Zapan- excellent attention to detail. If I had to comment on anything it would be his pose - he's too far forward for a static pose and it doesn't look like he's about to leap as his heels are on the ground.

I'd either bend his knee more and pull his bum back or have him standing up slightly straighter. Giving him a tail could also balance him out. As he is I think he'd fall over forwards.

[Pyrotechnic]

This needs putting in Unreal Tournament when The Unreal Engine 3.0 comes out.

[Zapan]

Thank you guys...

Pyrotechnic : Hey that's an idea...where should I sign ?

DannyDreams : Thx, I'm very glad you like it...

Tonik : Thank very much man , about the pose , it's not on purpose, I mod him , put the legs very quickly then I realize that he wasn't very stable but It's just a bind pose for modeling and I will change it when I will rig him...

StoneR : Sorry I made a mistakes because his armor is there more for some kind of decoration or trophy than a real protection 'coz it's not a war demon sorry for the confusion

Still C&C

[Zapan]

Update :

Tried to fix and tweak some bugs...Shoulders and chest are looking a little better now ?

C&C

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/muscle1.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/muscle2.jpg

[Arsyn]

Great detail.

as far as the chest and shoulders, keep working.

the crease of the pec(the bottom) should also crease into the side of the shoulder. The way you have it, it sort of looks like the chest goes into nothingness.

the part where you have the arm joining the shoulder.........looks like there is a crease there, make that join the chest. after that, push the points under the crease back and into the side of the torso making the side of the arm and the armpits...........

tricep-what is that bulge next to the elbow? if thats your tricep, get rid of it. the bulge is on the opposite end by the shoulder

get rid of that muscle that is where the tricep should be at the back of the arm. make the crease between the tricep and the muscle that is in between the bicep and tricep less pronounced


nice model though

[motenai]

WOW looks really good!
I like the head and the details a lot!
Very good work, i want to see it textured :thumbsup:

[Zapan]

Arsyn : Ok thanks I'll try to fix that out

montenaï : Thank you very much and your model is really great

[Zapan]

Just a tiny update of arms before start the unwrap

Tell me if I'm going better

C&C

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/armor4.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/armor5.jpg

[Zapan]

Here we go , first try with the skin texture
There still one million pbm to fix but tell me what do you think of it
Or if you picture it differently , well any suggestions coming in mind

C&C

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/peau1.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/peau2.jpg

[motenai]

The skin is good but i think you should paint some more macro-details....i call macro-details those details that are visible from a far camera...for example scales or the thing you made on the shoulders and on the back of the demon...
Instead i think the micro-details is perfect, like the fine bump of the skin...
Good work, keep it up!

[Zapan]

Ok thank for the suggestion Motenai

I will try to add some details like on his back soon

Still C&C

[Meka]

omg this is huge :applause:
i'm so keeping tabs on this!
awesome work Zapan, can't wait to see more :thumbsup:

[Zapan]

Thank you very much Meka

Update : still exploring the texturing next step armor parts
Please let me know what do you think of , any suggestions

C&C

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/texture1.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/texture2.jpg

[Zapan]

Another lighting setup...

Come on you guys C&C

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/texture3.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/texture4.jpg

[wavestone]

amazing work, man - did´nt read the whole threat, but are you planing an animation? Would rock, I think. I am not too satisfied with the skin -way too desaturated and with a lack of glossiness.... but alas, keep on rocking :buttrock: ....



greetings,
wavestone

[Predator|NL]

I think the skin could be done better too.
I also like to see some close up render ;)

[Grashupfa]

WoW, looks so gorgeous ... and cruel ... and mighty ^^
I also love the texture ...

Hm, I am new to 3D (about 2-3 Months) , how do u manage to model with that amount of detail ?
When I try to do this, I get lots of problems by selcting the right polygons and vertexes ..:twisted:

Maybe u can help me ^^

PS: Can`t wait to see him animated

[nwargasm]

Great job on this model. From the last image posted, his neck looks a bit skinny at that angle and the upper arm bands look like they are going to slide off. Otherwise, awesome.

[Zapan]

Thx to all

nwargasm :yeah you're right about the arm bracelets i didnt' notice,i'll fix that...

Grashupfa : thx man , well I guess you should work on one half of you character then mirror him . But tell me what software are you using...

PredatorlNL,Wavestone : Thx you guys here's an update..

Reworked the skin specular , is better or is too much ?

C&C

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/zapan/Demon/texture5.jpg

[Grashupfa]

Hi Zapan

I am using 3D Studio Max. I know that I can mirror the models, that`s not my problem. I have problems when for example i give my modle a necklace, like u did. Or when I have to define muscles, after I did, the vertexes are very messy, u know, then I have to rotate severel times around my model, until I finally have selected only a view vertexes I want to move. And that sucks. http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Is there a way how I can do this faster and more exact ?
thx 4 ur help

Ps: I can`t c any mistakes or corrections on ur model, keep up the good work,http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif but maybe is the skin a bit too speciular, it could be less.

[Meka]

nice progress zapan :)
the specular is looking much better but imho it's a bit too shiny... then again have to see it in an environment to get full mesure...

keep up the excellent work :thumbsup:

[motenai]

wowowow! really good! i like too much the metal....great texturing skill :)

[Zapan]

Thank you guys , I'll correct the specular map

By now I'm trying to put some translucence in the skin but it's not easy, does anybody have some tips or link to do that ?

Thx in advance and keep comment and crit this work...
:)

[Sean121]

Hi Zapan,

This is an awesome model!!

I would like to see your demon's neck a bit thicker. It would make him look more intimidating but that's just a little nit pick.

Looking forward to updates,

Keep up the good work :)

[AgentPrometheus]

Ultimate Respect!

You put an amazing amount of detail into his accessories, coming along very nicely. Will he have some sort of weapon?

[OptimusDinkus]

great work man, really a daunting sillouhete he has (kinda scared me a bit). But the anatomy of the arms is a bit weird, in the forarm specifically, everything else looks good. Also his for arm isnt in proportion to his upper arm, never the less, that might change the effect of the character. Good work so far

[Zapan]

Hi all thx !!

Optimusdinkus : thanks man. I so agree with you ...Yeah the proportions aren't right but you know it's kind like I wish to have , a strong and mean look so I probably won't change it...For the next work I promise to make more realistic character...But hey no time no see yours come on man post it , I can't wait to see the advance of this really good work :thumbsup:

AgentPrometheus : Thx , I didn't really think of a weapon yet , trying to focus what is already modelised but maybe...

Sean121 : Thanks a lot man , I 'm not sure for the neck does anybody think like you ?

[Zapan]

Update : still working on the skin map ...Yeah I know i'm tweaking a lot to have a good result

Please let me know if it is better or not , I cannot realize 'coz i'm changing some many times and spend a lot of hours tweaking so ...

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/texture6.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/sbzapan/Demon/texture7.jpg

[jcdenton182]

I just love the textures... maybe more speculars in the bloody parts and the whole body in general... then it'll only be a matter of rendering I guess ;)

[Zapan]

Yeah Ok I will try to raise the spec a little bit more...
Thanks for the reply jcdenton182

Keep comment and crit

[Arsyn]

Really got a nice model going there.

Loving the head. Still didn't fix the shoulder-chest tie in, but its cool. you got a ton of detail that should draw away from it.

it's still a
NICE MODEL!:thumbsup:

[ShriekWrought]

Very impressive model and texturing..........i agree about playing with the spec map, maybe make it a little "wetter" on the bloody parts.........also it would be really nice to see some more detail in the groin cloth to go along with the nice detail on your model ;)
i also like the asymmetry of the lighter bumps/moles? on his right arm, maybe do more asymmetrical stuff .......break off the tip of a horn.......more scars....whatever you like
just some thoughts

really cool stuff man

eric

[Arsyn]

This would be hella sweet as an actual physcial model...
500 bucks easily.

[Zapan]

Thank you very much guys

Arsyn : For the shoulder sorry , I know it's not perfect but to me the mod of the character is done and reshape the body now would be a step back and I want to animate him so I guess ii won't be change....

Eric_Schall : I already have textured the cloth by now ,you will can see it in the next update

I will try to work again on the spec map to "wet" some parts
And I'll try to change the armor parts to have an asymetrique look...Thx for these advices

[Michael_Kasper]

I loving the spikes down his back.

[_The_Paladin_]

The model is good but improve on the cloth.

[Zapan]

Hi all

Thank you both

Update : Hum, I think that I'm almost done with textures...Then I will start the rig...
But if you have any suggestions or see any mistakes please let me know

C&C

cheers

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/zapan/Demon/texture9.jpg

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/zapan/Demon/texture11.jpg

[wavestone]

sry, no advises but some motivation ;) KEEP ON ROCKING :buttrock: ... great work with the textures and you improved the mats a lot, so I hope you can keep the level....


greetings,
wavestone

[ervine]

Why don't you throw some blood on that cloth of his... or make it stained with mould or something.. looks too clean for a demon... other than that looks fantastic!

[Zapan]

wavestone : :) Yeah thanks for the motivation...I need that to start the rigging of this :surprised

ervine : thx I will try to do that thank you for the good suggestion

Keep comment and crit
Thx in advance

[PhoenixDown]

Wow! Wickedness...a really kick a** beast.

[FSkarstedt]

I know that I will be in a minority when I say this, but I think it's a shame that you are hiding your fantastic model behind all that armor (although it's a very cool armor). I really think it is detracting from his one truly unique feature which is his head.
To me it would work better if the armor was smaller and not so intrusive / detailed so the details of his anatomy would stand out better.

Don't get me wrong.. it's fantastic work you are doing. Just adding my 2 cents into the fray.

[Zapan]

PhoenixDown : thank you very much

Frederik_s : Thx ....Hum one very good point, is anyone think the same ?
Actually I haven't think about in that way , the armor was just to give him some Hell's King look (cf:demonology) so actually It's not to hide is body but more to stop seeing him as beast but more like a real character....

Tell me what are feeling about it , if you find the armor too "important" into this model

C&C

[Arsyn]

I think that shoulder plate is real nice.

Is that going to be his actual stance? I was thinking that he would look better if he stood str8er. it would be more majestic, if you were going for the king thing.

[THEUNFORGIVEN]

Fist of all, let me say :twisted: awesome demon :twisted: .

but....

I must agree with Frederik_s. Though the shoulder plate looks really nice, it draws the attention away from his face. Also though it makes him look more king-like it takes away the muscle power he seamed to have when he was wearing smaller armor.

[Zapan]

Hum ok I will try to post an other version to see if people like it more with a lighter armor....

Arsyn : No it won't be his definitive pose
I will change it with the rig and after all I will animate him so...no need to worry about his pose :)

Anybody think that his actual armor is too heavy for the model ?

C&C

[OptimusDinkus]

I think that the armor could be left on, if it was ballanced with something on the left side like a weapon of some sort, or hell, even a trident (something MANY people dont put anymore on demons latly). Or something of demonic powers, who knows, but if could be ballanced so that the armor wouldnt feel too off the fulcrum.

[Zapan]

Hi everybody finally an update to say that I'm still working on that
please tell me what do you think of

This is just a walkcycle without the dynamics and muscles morph but just to see him move :)

Save target as :
http://82.67.70.22/domi/zapan/walkcycle.avi

[GI-JOe2k]

:eek: whaou man you're demon is great and your animation too.
keep it up dude i can't wait!:thumbsup:

[Andre]

wow this is amazing work loving it

[Zapan]

Thanx a lot you guys !

I'm working on the muscles deformations before starting the dynamics...not easy, exploring an unknown field so...

I'll try to post another video soon
Thx again

Still C&C

[HarLekiN]

I love the design. The movement is great. Can't wait to see the final one.

[Zapan]

Thanks HarLekiN

But the final piece isn't coming soon...I have to put all the dynamics and the environnement...well so many stuff in the scene so...

But thank you for the support update soon

Cheers !

[Darknon]

Hey. great character design, great modelling.. i'll be watching this project for sure...

[joe_morgan]

Hey. I'd just like to start by saying "I like this models a bunch". Sorry I didn't catch you in the modeling stage, but I would tend to agree with wargasm and others who thought the neck was a little thin. I don't expect you to go back and remodel it. But if you did decide to go back and revise, it would be nice to see the neck connected thicker at the top and meet that hump on his back. And maybe fix the peck-to-shoulder formation. And also about the comment on the believable spine curviture (again I don't expect you to go back and change this now...), most creatures spines don't come all the way to the back like this. Not that you should make it more like most creatures, but it might be interesting to see the spine sink into the body into a more "believable" position, and extend the bone spikes/protrusions so they still stick out from his flesh. It would deffinitely give him/it a more tormented demon look if the bone spikes had to break his flesh in a less comfortable-looking manner. Plus, they would be more protected from attacks, and less likely to dry up and snap like twigs.
I think the textures have come along nicely. I agree with Frederik_s's comment about some of the armor/decoration taking away from the character. And those pieces of metal on his feet look like they would fall off unless they were secured to the back of his heel or clamped into his flesh or something. The chains are somewhat lacking, in that they don't look like chains. If you look at a chain link (at least ones as thick and secure as your demon would need), every chain-link would have a weld mark (creating a bulge on the long part of the link). Just a minor detail, but it stands out to me compared the the detail you have in the rest of the model.
The arcs in the walk-cycle look okay. But the timing is quite slow. If his foot was in the air that long, and the weight shift transfer wasn't more extreme in the opposite direction, it appears as though your demon would fall over. With that much girth to your demon, I think his foot would come down harder/faster due to gravity.
Big Ups on the progress thus far though!:thumbsup:

[Julez4001]

Kool works

[NicoDN]

It's becoming awesome ! But your beast should have some difficulties to stand up.

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