Water that isn't wet

[T Bomb]

WHAT???? I so need video of this. No wait... I need to buy it just have it and show people! This is the first I hear of this stuff. I'm guessing it can't be all that expensive since fire fighters will use it and it will be used in MASS quantities.

[AJ]

I hope they realise that this could seriously damage the confetti/clown industry...

[GhostFaced]

You know what would be pretty funny? Switch this with the water used at wet t-shirt contests and look at all the dumbstruck faces when their shirts stay dry! ;)

[T Bomb]

hahaha... very true.

however how do you clean it up? Can it be obsorbed by a sponge? Or does it do what mercury does and just sorta move around? Does it evaporate?

[Flipped_Normal]

I doubt a sponge would work if it is not absorbed into anything else...probably evaporates. Or maybe you have to wash it off :p

[T Bomb]

I doubt a sponge would work if it is not absorbed into anything else...probably evaporates. Or maybe you have to wash it off :p

yeah that would be really stupid if ya had to wash it off. Or what if it dries and its like soda... and just gets REALLY REALLY sticky, and bees and flys are attracted to it? Then pretty soon your apartment after a fire turns into a giant bees nest or somthing? *squints eyes* further testing must be done to get the T Bomb stamp of approval. lol

[mental]

... but then water balloon fights and wet t-shirt contests just won't be as fun anymore :shrug:

http://www.tycofireandsecurity.com/images/sapphire/content_sapphire2_big.jpg

[Alan Daniels]

how do you clean it up?

With a wet-dry vac! :applause:

[T Bomb]

YOu'll need one hell of a vac to clean up a warehouse if it catches on fire!

[halo]

so it's just going to be a t-shirt competition from now on then ?

[T Bomb]

Evidently. However on the plus side, if you wanna go swimming you don't have to get changed. You can come home, go straight to the pool and then get out and do what ever you have to do.

[AWAKE]

I hope it's non toxic.

its a little scary thinking about ingesting that stuff..

[shortbuss]

Craziness, I'm fittin' to go buy stock in 3M. lol

Great post, and the images are unbelievable. I can't believe they submerged the LCD Monitor with it turned on. I figured sparks would be flying everywhere or something. I guess it doesn't conduct electricity either. Hmmm...

I agree with Awake though, I hope it's non-toxic.

ESB

[pgp_protector]

I wonder how well it move heat .....

New form of Liquid Cooling :)

[SGT.Squeaks]

A few months ago on Good Morning America they had a 50 gallon tank of it on the show. They completely submerged a laptop and it worked fine after. Then they put a TV in the stuff and the tv worked while sitting on the bottom. It was a bit strange.


I do have lots of questions about that stuff.

[lestdog]

Okay single handedly the craziest thing I have ever seen. Who would have ever thought of non wet water? Whats next? Ice cream on the BBQ?

[lwbob]

3M™ Novec™ 1230 Fire Protection Fluid (http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/manufacturing_industry/specialty_materials/node_GP93PKS23Pbe/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_FG8FTD9L7Wge/gvel_PPVFNCL666gl/theme_us_specialtymaterials_3_0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html)

low toxicity :)

[T Bomb]

Who knows. Maybe No heat fire is coming next!

[T Bomb]

3M™ Novec™ 1230 Fire Protection Fluid (http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/manufacturing_industry/specialty_materials/node_GP93PKS23Pbe/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_FG8FTD9L7Wge/gvel_PPVFNCL666gl/theme_us_specialtymaterials_3_0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html)

low toxicity :)


I don't mea to be a party pooper but I don't think thats the stuff. Cause its talking about how its stored as a liquid and used as a gas. This stuff we are talkin about is always a liquid. I watched he video... but it didn't look like liquid was poored on the fire. I don't know.

[Supervlieg]

If this Novec stuff is water thats not wet, does that make terpentine flammable water? I know I wouldnt drink any of those. Though they both look like water.

[lihnuz]

if its gona put out fiers it cant be that bad in transfering heat.. hello cool computers :bounce:

[Flipped_Normal]

For fires it doesn't have to transfer heat, just suffocate them. If they get no oxygen, they go out. As long as it doesn't boil instantly, it would be fine.

[pgp_protector]

I don't mea to be a party pooper but I don't think thats the stuff. Cause its talking about how its stored as a liquid and used as a gas. This stuff we are talkin about is always a liquid. I watched he video... but it didn't look like liquid was poored on the fire. I don't know.
If you read the site that is the stuff :)

it is able to be used as Either a water or a Gas, (Boiling temp around 49Deg C, Freezing Point around -109 C)

[T Bomb]

thanks for clearing that up. Now can we get that in degrees F for those of us none using Celcius people? lol

[PhilOsirus]

Yeah replace pool water with this stuff and everyone gets cancer! Weee!

[kinich]

wait.. whre does it say you can get cancer....


cuz i was thinking.. now i could be in the internet while taking a dip on a pool at the same time!!! imagine! listening to all your mp3s or cd trough your discman while you do your daily rswinming routine...


how expensive is this thing by the way?

[halo]

the trick with the TVs etc. can be done with non-conductive coolant...they've had that for decades now...

[Geta-Ve]

id like to see some more pics of this.. sounds interesting but like most people my main concern is its toxcitity..

[tarun_don]

Who knows. Maybe No heat fire is coming next!Something close to that in Spiderman-2, Nuclear fusion without heat!???!!!!???!!!???

What were they thinking, it's suposed to be one the most heat emissive reaction in the universe??

or was there an explanation to that, which I missed? :shrug:

Back to topic - I wonder if it's also tasteless ?

p.s- the geek inside me did'nt get any sleep that night! :p

[AJ]

Something close to that in Spiderman-2, Nuclear fusion without heat!???!!!!???!!!???

What were they thinking, it's suposed to be one the most heat emissive reaction in the universe??

They were probably thinking 'it's not real' :p

[lwbob]

Be nice if someone flipped the switch to allow a user to delete their own post.

[Supervlieg]

Something close to that in Spiderman-2, Nuclear fusion without heat!???!!!!???!!!???

What were they thinking, it's suposed to be one the most heat emissive reaction in the universe??

or was there an explanation to that, which I missed? :shrug:

I guess you missed it, since the jury is still out on that one. I think that's why Spidermans screenwriters made Doc. Oc. invent it to show him as the genius he is.

Anyway, here's a link to an article in wired about cold fusion (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion.html)

[tarun_don]

thanks for the link Supervlieg, But as this article states, fusion does starts in room temperature but the result is power, enormous amounts of power in the form of heat energy..(this is what happens in all the stars and sun)..and spiderman 2 showed people laughing and having a good time around it ??!! :shrug:

[charleyc]

"..and spiderman 2 showed people laughing and having a good time around it ??!!" you mean until they all ran screaming in terror....
jk, I now what you mean. I think the point was that there was a containment field around it that he seemed to be pushing with his mech arms.

About the water stuff, I too was wondering about its toxicity. Also, it must be non conductive to allow the electronics to be submersed in it, so it may not conduct heat too well. I imagine it wouldn't do too much for cooling internal electronics, but it could prevent the spread of heat to other componants

[Dearmad]

Pure water hardly conducts electricity too... does dipping a computer into pure water still not destroy it? It's another quality to water that destroys electronics- that things dissolve in water (and then make it a conductor) and not this other chemical is the key.

[Geta-Ve]

what do you mean pure water? how can you get purer than h2o..? and your saying it hardly conducts electricity?! hrmmmmmm maybe im just not getting you..

[T Bomb]

Maybe he is refering too distilled water?!?

[little]

thats kewl

[kinich]

actually... pure H2O does not conduct electricity very well... or not at all... the thing is.. it does corrode (rust) the materials.... and things can disolve in it too...

[Flipped_Normal]

Yep. Pure water does not conduct electricity (or at least not much at all). It is disolved ions in the water that do the conducting. Thats why salt water conducts more than fresh water. But the problem is that it is very hard to keep water completly pure, especially when you are dipping things like screens into it. The screens carry some, your hands carry some, air carries some...and these ions draw electrons off the metals (rusting them)...as well as shorting out the components.

[WesComan]

Who knows. Maybe No heat fire is coming next!Already exists...
http://www.alexchirokov.narod.ru/cool_flame.htm
(may take a while to load)

[JoshBowman]

If this stuff acts like water, does it evaporate? if it evaporates then doesn't that mean it'll form into clouds or get mixed up in the atmosphere with real water and won't that mean we'll have to drink it? and then it'll go into the sea and what will happen there will the fish accept it or will the all sense something strange and try and beach themselves. Just curious, because it hasn't been discussed from an environment point of view (although they did say it's environmentally friendly)

[the sparky]

well - CFCs were supposed to be environmentally friendly - they did no harm down here. Too bad they eat the ozone.

Are it's properties when frozen the same as water? Because that could be useful.

[kinich]

frozen?... what do you mean sparky?

[Joss]

Well I wonder if that Final Fantasy idea would work where the soldiers were jettisoned from the aircraft in a blob of liquid, then hitting the ground softly within.

Nah, you'd probablly still break something. Who knows?

[the sparky]

I mean - when water is frozen it's lighter than the liquid. It also stays hard the whole time it's melting, it doesn't get bendy like some stuff does (plastic, metals, etc).

I was reading (I forget where) about some instance where some scientists needed a substance that had those properties but something that wasn't water. For some reason. That was really vague... sorry - I wish I remembered what it actually was.

[bluemagicuk]

That was amazing . I want some for practical jokes !

[Joebount]

I mean - when water is frozen it's lighter than the liquid.
Did you drink dude ?

[the sparky]

what? I'm not sure what you mean/ what you don't get about what I said.

[Rudity]

I want to see a dog go for a swim in this stuff and come out dry.
That would be impressive.

Could play some good jokes on my cat too :p

[mrgrundy]

sounds like a double edged sword, great for the money it would save, same concerns as the rest. Toxic, maybe and if so, where would it be disposed...out of site out of mind??

[bluemagicuk]

what? I'm not sure what you mean/ what you don't get about what I said.
http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/BunnyPancake.jpg


la la la alal al

[DEVARSHY]

Okay single handedly the craziest thing I have ever seen. Who would have ever thought of non wet water? Whats next? Ice cream on the BBQ?Whaddya know?? In India everything's possible....

Someone in Gujarat invented The Ice Cream Pakora!

Its actually Fried Ice Cream !!... with a scoop of icecream dipped in GramFlour paste and deep fried. When you eat it its hot outside but has frozen ice cream as you bite into it !!:D

[gigantor]

Yeah Fried Ice cream, big deal, it dates back to the 19th century, and was believed to be invented in America, then copied in may diffrent countries like Japan where its called ice cream tempura. /yawn

Cooking channel ,know it,love it...

[the sparky]

[pancake with rabbit stuck to it's underside]

la la la alal al

Ok, when water freezes, it's less dense than the liquid form. That's because of the way it rearranges when it freezes. Water molecules can be much closer when it's a liquid, but they kind of move apart and lock together when they freeze. That means that they take up more space for the same amount of molecules. That makes it lighter than liquid water. This is why ice cubes float. This is also why water "expands" when you freeze it. But a lot of substances are not lighter than their liquid when they freeze (become solid, if you want to look at it that way).

Does it make more sense now?

[bluemagicuk]

Yea it does thanks for clearing that up .. i kind of understood what you meant originaly ... just not my area of expertise :)

And as far as i know a pound of water weighs the same as a pund of ice ..... however i understand what you mean about the properties of water changing when being heated , frozen ect. Weird that ,, gonna have to use that in a pub conversation this friday :)Bunny was meant to be funny ... didnt mean for it to sound toooo cheeky :thumbsup:

[the sparky]

nah - the bunny cracked me up. :)

[Jeffrodoh]

So if you drink it, will it retain those qualities? Bed wetters everywhere could be doing the happy dance!

[disdatshizness]

:shrug: Im not sure i get it. Or at least why its in the CG neews section??>.

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