OT: Fear and Lurking II & RTFMs

[JamesMK]

He he... I regret having turned into a bit of a lurker lately - and my activities in this particular forum has mainly resulted in views but not a lot of posts for the last few months. I will amend this as soon as I can get my manual out of my dog's mouth :cool:

[flingster]

cheers james...well you got a good excuse bud...working on the machineflesh challenge.
:)

[JamesMK]

bad excuse really - it ended over a month ago! But thanks for trying :D

[flingster]

aarhh well i tried at least...heh heh.
btw any chance you can check whats on the xpresso pages of the manual for me...unfortunately i threw up on mine...i wonder what maxon would say to me requesting another manual? why do you want a new one then....oooh well it smells of sick and the pages are stuck together with carrot chunks....almost sounds like a machineflesh entry in itself...but alas i guess youre as stuck as i am with that section as the poor doggie shredded it.

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other famous excuses for not reading the manuals (clipped from homework excuses sorry couldn't resist).

1) I figured I'd learned everything I could about existentialism from last night's episode of Dawson's Creek.

2) Everything I ever needed to know, I learned in kindergarten

3) A radiation leak from our microwave mutated my c4d manual, and the manual escaped into our backyard and totally consumed Buttons, our prize Shar-Pei. My c4d manual ate my dog!

4) My cat had an identity crisis and ate it!

5) My lawyer is advising me to say, "No comment," regarding the whereabouts of my alleged c4d manual at this point in time.

6) I'm still translating it from Klingon

7) Some guy in line for Phantom Menace made an origami pod racer out of it.

8) Well, like, y'know, I stayed at Billy's last night, and, like, of course we did our read the c4d manual first, y'know, and then we like, took a ride in his Daddy's new Lexus, and then, like, the c4d manual had to, like, still be at his house, which is in like, a very cool part of town, but anyways after the movie, and then after we, like, left Wendy's house, oh she's so cute, anyway we then like... Hey, that's not fair! I haven't, like, finished telling you what happened yet!

9) I have unresolved issues, reclusive tendencies, cannot relate to authority, and besides, it violates my constitutional rights

10) According to the ancient art of feng shui, my desk was creating a negative energy space... so I ditched it.

11) I plead the 5th

12) Well, as hard as it may be to believe, I was abducted by aliens last night. True! At the time, I was doing reading my c4d manual, and so I brought it with me when they took me on their space ship, and well, I must have left it there by mistake! Everything happened so suddenly! Oh and this morning, Agent Scully and Agent Mulder from the X-Files came to my house this morning to interview me, so I didn't get round to re-reading it! Sooorreeeh!

13) I'm sorry! I woke up this morning and I had lost my memory. What is your name again? Where am I? Who are you? Who Am I?

14) You know the movie the Exorcist? Well, my scissors are possessed, and at midnight last night, they jumped out of my pencil case and started cutting up my c4d manual! I tried to stop them, but they just went crazy, and tried to attack me! Look, I've got a little cut on my pinky finger to prove it - see?

15) See, I went on a boat with my neighbor and we couldn't steer very well, and it got really windy and we got stranded on a desert island, and ewww, we had to eat bugs and everything, until the coast guard came and picked us up! I didn't get back until this morning!

16) I'm sorry. I am allergic to the chemicals in paper. It's a medical fact!

17) I couldn't read it, because a group of penguins visited my house claiming they were going to take over the world

[anti-shock]

more excuses for not reading the manual:

18) It is more than the weight my hands can bare.

19) It does not stay open, everytime I try to keep it open it just snaps back at me.

20) I have "manualreadaphobia"

21) I can't bare to see it cause my wife throws at me all the time if I work on C4D too long.

I guess that's it for now :D

[unclebob]

22) I'm a pencil necked geek and don't work out so I can't lift the manual.

23) I tried to read it, but it put me to sleep, causing me to bang my head on the desk giving me a concussion which resulted in memory loss which caused me to forget all I read in the manual. **English teachers don't believe this one ... LOL **

[soapy]

I would come out and introduce myself but I am too busy trying to learn Cinema without the manual, you see the manual is holding up my monitor at the correct height and is too much trouble to get out from under there.

[iladi]

about lurking: have you, native english speakers think that it can be difficult, some times, for a non native english speaker to make himself clear? i'd like to post more but althou i can understand almost all you are saying, my spelling is the worst kind and in many cases i lost a lot of time trying to write with words (i think) i know how to spell and sometimes i giveup posting.

[phexitol]

24) I built my house out of the manuals, so it's way too much effort walking about just to find out something when I can just post here and sit around waiting for an answer.

iladi: Your english seems fine to me. The funny thing is, I notice, those who have better english skills apologize often, and those with horrible english/spelling almost never do. If you are having problems with particular phrases, type your message in both languages.

[iladi]

If you are having problems with particular phrases, type your message in both languages.
the funny thing is that i don't think there is another cinema coutry-man on the forum. i did not find any even in local forums :D

[Cartesius]

my dog ate itThis actually (almost) happened to me, believe it or not. I had just purchased Cinema 4D XL and had the manuals by my bed. At about the same time we had gotten a puppy and puppies like to chew on everything, from shoes to electrical cords. They also like manuals, and one day I walked into the bedroom just to find the puppy happily chewing away on the manual. Had I come in 10 minutes later he would probably have ripped it to pieces :)

/Anders

[Kirl]

http://www.cinema4d.nl/phpBB2/images/smiles/lurk.gif
Come one, come all...!

[jscott]

I read quite a few message boards and there are lots of folks that don't speak english that well. The thing is.....I don't care. Seriously. I fully understand. It's no big deal. As long as communication is taking place who cares if the grammar is not correct or words are misspelled.

I actually find it cool to be able to communicate at all with people in other countries and that speak other lanuguages. I'm sure most everyone feels the same way.

-jscott

[jkirk01]

Hello Everyone,

Okay, okay I'll stop lurking. I am trying to get past the 10 post rule for attachments. That way I can share some of my work with C4D. But until then I will keep posting randomly about subjects that are of interest, like this one. Lost, stolen, destroyed manuals can easily be replaced by visiting www.maxon.net (http://www.maxon.net) -> Support -> Documentation. They have everything for 8.5 posted right there in PDF format. Looking at the size of the files is a clue to the weight of the information! No excuses! Now watch, I'll get flamed in the future when I ask a question that is burried in some corner of the manuals. :-) LOL

[flingster]

thanks guys for responding...some very humourous ones also.

just want to say...about the lingua-lurkers out there...this is not really as big an issue as you might expect...there is usually someone who can translate or help out in someway...and screenshots etc always help in a visual arena like this...so hopefully its a barrier thats we can overcome...so you really have no excuse not to participate and you'll in reality get far more out by joining into discussions than sitting on the sidelines...(no one minds if you just drop a note at the bottom that youre not that fluent in english its fine..or just post in your language)

i've not seen any lurkers with quick intros yet....so come on people drop us a line and get yourself in the thick of it...no one will/should judge your ability either written abilities or artistic abilities...we all learn from the experiences you bring which keeps the creative process fresh imho as always of course.

anyways keep those manual stories coming...enjoying it.:applause:

[PHATandy]

Hey all. PHATandy here.

well id thought id post so u guys no im around. im not really a lurker but just a newbie (excellent suff here btw. Alot of u guys r extremly talented).

Well im 15, im pretty talented at normal art but lately ive been getting away from just playing PC games, and ive been making maps and lately trying my hand at some CG artwork.

HereS some of my work, im very new so dont expect anything too special. Been reading Computer arts magazine, some of the stuff is techniques shown in the tuts.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/9507146/ - cartoon style pic.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/9475132/
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9475086/ - 2 more traditional art style paintings.


1 more Q?.. ive always wandered what kind of programs u use (for 2D work), do u all use tht painter program and a graphics tablet. or like me just a good old mouse, scanner and PhotoShop. And when u do, are there special techniques you do for all the stuff or is it a long winded job of doing everything pixel by pixel.

Thx all, great forums, PHATandy.

[flingster]

Hello Everyone,

Okay, okay I'll stop lurking. I am trying to get past the 10 post rule for attachments. That way I can share some of my work with C4D. But until then I will keep posting randomly about subjects that are of interest, like this one. Lost, stolen, destroyed manuals can easily be replaced by visiting www.maxon.net (http://www.maxon.net/) -> Support -> Documentation. They have everything for 8.5 posted right there in PDF format. Looking at the size of the files is a clue to the weight of the information! No excuses! Now watch, I'll get flamed in the future when I ask a question that is burried in some corner of the manuals. :-) LOL
YES....hello...todays star prize goes to Jkirk01 for coming out of his shell...welcome to cgtalk bud...enjoy yourself and glad you popped in to say hello.
the moderated posting initially is a bit annoying but well worth it to prevent trolls and spam from nutters! heh heh...so stick with it bud.
cheers.

[flingster]

Hey all. PHATandy here.

well id thought id post so u guys no im around. im not really a lurker but just a newbie (excellent suff here btw. Alot of u guys r extremly talented).

Well im 15, im pretty talented at normal art but lately ive been getting away from just playing PC games, and ive been making maps and lately trying my hand at some CG artwork.

HereS some of my work, im very new so dont expect anything too special. Been reading Computer arts magazine, some of the stuff is techniques shown in the tuts.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/9507146/ - cartoon style pic.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/9475132/
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9475086/ - 2 more traditional art style paintings.


1 more Q?.. ive always wandered what kind of programs u use (for 2D work), do u all use tht painter program and a graphics tablet. or like me just a good old mouse, scanner and PhotoShop. And when u do, are there special techniques you do for all the stuff or is it a long winded job of doing everything pixel by pixel.

Thx all, great forums, PHATandy.
heh heh..bit of a delay for moderation of post but nevertheless.
as todays star prize was given out...i'm afraid all we can give you is da silver medal...but at least its some bling for ya...
i like the boat at sea image...nice.

pencil..scanner...photoshop..wacom....but i have got an old copy of painter..was thinking about updating it actually...but might actually go for zb2 as i think i'll use it more.

anyways....welcome to cgtalk...enjoy yourself.:thumbsup:

[Fuzatron]

I sorta-kinda introduced myself (in a round about way maybe?) a couple of weeks ago. But I am in lurk mode now. UPS just delivered my studio bundle last night
:bounce:
BUT I am under heavy deadline for another week or so..... Can't wait to participate more soon though :D I look forward to checking in on this board more than any of my other regular stops:thumbsup:

[flingster]

I sorta-kinda introduced myself (in a round about way maybe?) a couple of weeks ago. But I am in lurk mode now. UPS just delivered my studio bundle last night
:bounce:
BUT I am under heavy deadline for another week or so..... Can't wait to participate more soon though :D I look forward to checking in on this board more than any of my other regular stops:thumbsup:
i don't think you can be a lurker anymore bud...its not allowed...so you're just gonna have to be a lurker-wannabe! heh heh...i guess you're gonna be very busy learning stuff if it just arrived and you're bound to have loadsa questions anyways...so since we're dishing out first prize...and the silver medal...then i guess someone has gotta get the wooden spoon its yours if you want it?


(no offense intended bud...just messin around btw)

[Tugmaster]

I'm just shy. Oh and whats a manual?

[TonyEdwards]

I've just been a slacker lately.

At least my site is somewhat up now. It's got some stuff I've done with CE+ for that Intro to Modeling post a while ago.

http://cgneophyte.cirrusstudios.com/

I will be more active soon... really.

It's funny you mention lurking though, I admited to it on my first blog post.

[3dg]

Well flingster,

I'm in and out when i can be...i have been lurking a lot lately, but if there is a subject i need help with or one that i can help with i don't hesitate to post.

I've been very busy programming Flash Communications Server applications lately, and have really not had the time to even open Cinema 4D. :( it is kinda sad really.

Well anyway, I wanna hookup with Fuzatron and continue fueling his newfound love of Cinema :) He's only a few hundred miles away...(I still say we show up at Wes's house some night about 2:00 am) He's used to it...that's when the police usually show up anyway... he he

[flingster]

to funny its not supposed to be a guilt trip for you guys...heh heh.
i just thought it would be nice to encourage some new faces to take part in here...sometimes people are put off by the quality of work posted or by the fact people know each other etc...but i just wanted to point out we are aware of this and it shouldn't stop them joining on here...the more the merrier...its good to have a broad range/spectrum of experiences as long as we keep it focussed to some extent (excusing these sorts of threads of course! ;-)
there are some of the friendliest people on the net on here and so you should take advantage of that open attitude i think anyways.

anyways good to see you all owning up to lurkerdom..:) ..keep em coming.:thumbsup:

[JamesMK]

its not supposed to be a guilt trip for you guys...heh heh.
But it is! Oh, the shame... I feel so dirty :scream:

[JJ54]

Well I lurk am enormous amount! trying to learn but some of the conversations are SO intimidating to a newbie even one that RTFM!! cover to cover even! Getting ready to start the BodyPaint manual while I start back on page 1 of the C4D manual at the computer and experiment with everything - then maybe I can contribute. If my dog eats my manual I will wrest it out of her throat!!


There is so much GOOD stuff in German, I'm tempted to learn it - I have a translator program but what it does to German is sometimes very funny to read and not always decipherable! I can usually get through non-English speaking messages in English in forums but there frequently seems to be confusion when I think they meant to use a negative and they didn't. I get far more irritated with English speakers that don't seem to know English!!

Oh and as for 2D paint programs - I like Painter 7 - haven't upgraded - not sure it's worth it and DeepPaint 3d - soon BodyPaint I hope

/Jim

[JIII]

hmm, well one thing I have noticed is that this forum is barely ahead of the 3Ds max forum, it seems like years ago when we passed them. Course I prolly was making 500 posts a month in here at one time lol.


oh yea I forget what number its on but #30, because I have a girl-friend.

[Walx]

Howdy Flingster

I'm a usual lurker, as you once called me on a thread I started:P..mainly because only reading all the posts that interest me on cgtalk takes me enough time, and also..well, in large threads there's mostly always someone that will come out with the exact same argument or opinion I would have wrote:)
So why bother repeating the same stuff over and over? it's actually one thing I find annoying when a thread is long, many people don't read all of it, and post the same stuff. On the other hand it can be good so we know what the majority feel about something...but most of the time I find that repeating arguments are boring and unhelpful.

When I have a valid point of view, and it has not been discussed yet, I'm trying to post something. Or sometimes I just doesn't feel like it.

I was lurking on cg talk for about one year and more without having posted anything at all, and I was here many times each days.
Since you answered my first thread with saying something like 'good you finally stopped lurking around' it has indeed made me more talkative! hehe
Still I choose where I post, and I don't post randomly.

Ok I'm finished with my own excuses...:blush:

cheer

Alex

[AndyMcc]

I lurk here a lot. I use Cinema along with VectorWorks for corporate stage set and production design. Been using it for about a year and a half and have learned tons from this forum. I used to lurk at postforum but the non-stop flame wars and RTFM posts, while entertaining, got a little old. I recently got an email from Maxon asking about my work for an interview for the In the Spotlight section of their website. I sent them a few examples and expected a thanks but no thanks reply. But, <gasp> they are actually assiging a writer to interview me and put it on their website. I guess just the fact that I'm not making cars and/or robots is enough. No free software though.

[flingster]

JamesMK: you dirty little bunny you should feel guilty...LOL.

JJ54: i know where you're coming from believe me...but everyone has moments like this to a degree...reading something...then thinking what the hell are they talking about..but very often this encourages me at least to research it...so start surfing around looking for the answer which benefits your breadth of knowledge in the long run anyways. as for translators they crack me up...they are all over the place on tutorials...if the tuts got screenshots then very often you can work them out though....that said i often get asked what the hell are you talking about because i definitely use to much slang..but just find it quicker really..:blush:

JIII: so that explains it...i thought someone might have upset you or something so decided to take a backseat...

Walx: hey bud...definitely annoys me when people reiterate things mentioned earlier in the thread from not reading it, but its just expected really. as to me calling you a lurker thought for a minute i'd upset ya and seemed strange me having a quick low blow at ya...but its always in fun bud so unlikely mean't as offensive...anyway its good to see you stepping up once in awhile anyways...and you're so right...its quality not quantity on posting...so keep doing what you're doing.:thumbsup:

[Walx]

hey fling

no prob I wasn't hurt, I just remember that from your post:)

peace

[AndyMcc]

Here's an image...

[flingster]

I lurk here a lot. I use Cinema along with VectorWorks for corporate stage set and production design. Been using it for about a year and a half and have learned tons from this forum. I used to lurk at postforum but the non-stop flame wars and RTFM posts, while entertaining, got a little old. I recently got an email from Maxon asking about my work for an interview for the In the Spotlight section of their website. I sent them a few examples and expected a thanks but no thanks reply. But, <gasp> they are actually assiging a writer to interview me and put it on their website. I guess just the fact that I'm not making cars and/or robots is enough. No free software though.
hey bud...musta posted at the same time.
there are some guys in the uk using c4d for corporate stage and stand type stuff...i think also the vectorworks thing is interesting also don't know a great deal about it..but this is what i'm on about different disciplines bringing there experiences and usage to c4d...very often it means that crits can become more helpful because people spot different things. i know what you mean about postforum once of the reasons i avoid it but its still a good resource..i think i'd probably count myself as a lurker on both the cow and postforum..so i guess i'm feeling dirty guilty also. I'll look out for the spotlight stuff...also post here when it comes out sounds good to me.
have you got a website we can look at or should we wait for the article?

[flingster]

hey fling

no prob I wasn't hurt, I just remember that from your post:)

peace
phew...we like da peace...its goodie...heh heh.

btw...just had a very quick quick...look at your website...got some very interesting stuff on there..and just looked at those latest wips...cool..
but you gotta get that 3d bit on with some c4d stuff...especially if you bothered to do all the artwork/illustration bits.

(note to self: here's me saying some website comments and mine is non existent...the fling crawls back in his burrow!!!!! sorry)

[flingster]

Here's an image...i keep doing that post at same time thing.

what do you use for the many chaired people btw...its times like these that i think about that lightwave instance plugin...i know i got ditools and jenna..but would be nice to have something like that also.

anyways looks good to me...can anyone remember who does the stage/stand stuff in the uk i just forget its someone fairly close to me..in fact there is a couple of people afaik? anybody?


EDIT: in fact that image is almost like the reprogramming of the borg...quick get this efficiency into those chips and go and conquer the corporate world...you could do a really cool evil take on something like this..but i guess it would be bad for business..heh heh. anyways not trying to be offensive but i like the pov from the back looking into the hall...just gave me the idea.:shrug:

[AndyMcc]

EDIT: in fact that image is almost like the reprogramming of the borg...quick get this efficiency into those chips and go and conquer the corporate world...you could do a really cool evil take on something like this..but i guess it would be bad for business..heh heh. anyways not trying to be offensive but i like the pov from the back looking into the hall...just gave me the idea.:shrug:
No offense.
I don't do the 2D graphic design and have no emotional attachment to any of the corporate blah-blah-blah that comes with the territory. But, I work at home and stay really busy doing this stuff, so I take the good with the bad.

All of the chairs and people are done in VW. It is really easy to do big duplicate arrays like that. I do almost all of the geometry in VW, export to C4D and do all of the textures and lighting and people. I do mostly stills for print but some camera flythroughs and lots of QTVR's. Corporate marketing people just LOVE opening up a QTVR on their laptop and spinning the camera around, they giggle and just start writing checks to everybody.

[Fuzatron]

i don't think you can be a lurker anymore bud...its not allowed...so you're just gonna have to be a lurker-wannabe! heh heh...i guess you're gonna be very busy learning stuff if it just arrived and you're bound to have loadsa questions anyways...so since we're dishing out first prize...and the silver medal...then i guess someone has gotta get the wooden spoon its yours if you want it?


(no offense intended bud...just messin around btw)Yeahyeahyeah.... just gimme the spoon :rolleyes:
;)

Well anyway, I wanna hookup with Fuzatron and continue fueling his newfound love of Cinema :) He's only a few hundred miles away...(I still say we show up at Wes's house some night about 2:00 am) He's used to it...that's when the police usually show up anyway... he heLOL :twisted:
btw: I saw a sample BodyPaint anim Wes did on one of the cds that came with Cinema. Purty good for an old boy from Taenuhsae... yes I'm sleep deprived :p

[kiwi]

Hi Flingster...greetings from an old member come semi lurker

[JamesMK]

Corporate marketing people just LOVE opening up a QTVR on their laptop and spinning the camera around, they giggle and just start writing checks to everybody.
Bwaahaahaa! :D Hilarious! I have to remember that when I start putting a commercial portfolio together :thumbsup:

[jtrace]

Hello. My name is Jon and I am a lurker (tsk tsk). Well, I've only been using C4D for about 7 months. I'm not a professional illustrator or graphic designer using C4D. I'm an electrical engineer fascinated by art. Due to a busy work schedule and family obligations, I have very little time to devote to 3D even though I just love it! There seems to be a large number of advanced users at cgtalk, and I have learned a lot by just reading forums (here and elsewhere) and the manual (I've threatened mental cruelty to anyone in my house that loses, damages, or destroys my manuals). Hope to one day contribute something of value back to those that even unknowingly are helping me develop my 3D art skills. Thanks for inviting me out of the shadows.

[jkirk01]

Hello Folks,

Is it illegal to post a link to another forum site? Since I just graduated from Lurkvercity I wanted to make sure not to step on toes. I have some of my new images posted on another site and would like to share save that I don't have that priviledge here at the moment. Flingster, you seem to be the most active and vested here, perhaps you can tell me? Thanks!

Jeff

[Per-Anders]

Hi Flingster...greetings from an old member come semi lurker
Hi there Stu, glad to see you around :) , got a bit worried when you vanished!

[flingster]

Hi Flingster...greetings from an old member come semi lurker
stu: gotta go with mdme_sadie comments...not seen ya for awhile bud but damn good to see ya chip in here...hope you are well or at least coping good and taking care of yourself.
keep posting.

jtrace: hello and enjoy yourself on here..you won't regret it.

jkirk01: hello bud...well not sure i'm not a mod...but i've seen them posted on here before..so i think people are pretty open to it...so i'd post the links to images if you got em...and hell we wanna take a lookie anyways...and since you decided to drop outta the shadows its all good imho. welcome and enjoy as always.

[kiwi]

Cheers Per and Fling :D...I appreciate it :)


Ya a bit tougher now eh Flingster,whats your first name bud?,users are are to informal for us now :D


I have been doing some work though,made some cool models etc.What is the upload limit now?,is it still 10k or has it changed...


Cheers

Stu.

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