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bentllama
07-16-2004, 08:44 AM
Theres an article on http://www.xboxaddict.com/ (http://www.xboxaddict.com/) about video games falling under the protection of the first amendment.

"An important victory for the video game industry."

"Courts Rule In Favor Of Videogames"
Posted by: Billy on Thursday, July 15th, 2004
Type: News
Source: http://www.gamespot.com (http://www.gamespot.com/)

The long story of the state of Washington's controversial law banning the sale of violent games to minors came to an end today--with an important victory for the game industry. Judge Robert Lasnik of the US District Court in Seattle ruled the law unconstitutional under the First Amendment's protection of freedom of speech.

Rejecting the state's argument that violence in games should fall under the state's obscenity law, Judge Lasnik noted that similar portrayals of violence can be seen in literature, art, and the media and that "there is no indication that such expressions have ever been excluded from the protections of the First Amendment."

Passed by the Washington state legislature in March 2003 and signed by Governor Gary Locke that May, law HB1009 was immediately challenged on the grounds that it was unconstitutional by the Interactive Digital Software Association (now the Entertainment Software Association) and was subsequently blocked by Judge Lasnik. The law sought to ban the sale of games that showed violence against law enforcement officers to anyone under the age of 17. Retailers caught breaking the law would be fined $500.

Addressing the state's concern that violence against police officers in games translates to violence in real life, Judge Lasnik determined that "the...belief that video games cause violence, particularly violence against law enforcement officers, is not based on reasonable inferences drawn from substantial evidence." He also pointed out that the definition of violence against law enforcement officers was impossibly vague, citing such examples as the possessed cops in Freedom Force, enemy officers in Splinter Cell, or games built around Looney Toons, The Simpsons, or The Dukes of Hazzard.

Doug Lowenstein, president of the ESA, praised the ruling, saying that it is just another example of a number of rulings "that establish video games as constitutionally protected forms of expression." Lowenstein added that he hopes Washington and other state governments will now focus on further implementing the ESA's self-regulating Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB). The Washington Retail Association, the Video Software Dealers Association, the Interactive Entertainment Merchants Association, the International Game Developers Association, Hollywood Video, and the ESA jointly filed the lawsuit."

baaah888
07-16-2004, 09:05 AM
some good news then :)

All the law suits by that crazy lawyer were starting to get boreing,

the ESRB rateings board thing should be more than enough if the sellers in shops and parents uinderstand its like rateings on movies.

mummey
07-16-2004, 03:17 PM
Right now there's a trial lawyer in Florida shaking his fist in the air...

Edit: Sorry, here (http://www.stopkill.com/) is my reference. This wacko is always in front of the cameras anytime videogames and violence are even inferred... :rolleyes:

-B

tjnyc
07-16-2004, 03:41 PM
The so-called "crazy" lawyer(s) aren't actually crazy or conservative nuts, class action lawsuits are big business, hugh cash profits for these lawyers like the suits against the Tobacco Industry or McDonalds. Greed is the driving force here for these lawyers and not protection for children against media violence.

baaah888
07-16-2004, 03:47 PM
walshbem - yeah thats the dude i mean, glad you knew his site cause i couldnt remember it.

tjnyc - Yeah lawyers are, but this guy loses alot of games law suits and keeps comeing back. and back, and back, he's obsesed with sueing the games industry. and yes he is a greedy bugger like most lawyers.

ntmonkey
07-16-2004, 03:56 PM
He should concentrate his efforts on stopping porn and spam. And maybe educate parents to monitor what their kids are watching and playing. Just a thought...

peace,

Lu

tjnyc
07-16-2004, 03:56 PM
walshbem - yeah thats the dude i mean, glad you knew his site cause i couldnt remember it.

tjnyc - Yeah lawyers are, but this guy loses alot of games law suits and keeps comeing back. and back, and back, he's obsesed with sueing the games industry. and yes he is a greedy bugger like most lawyers.
That is the exact same thing the team of lawyers did against the Tobacco Industry, they filed lawsuit after lawsuit in state after state for years, until they finally won, resulting in a payoff in the hundred of millions, of course the so-called thousands of people they represented got about 10% of the lump sum while the lawyers got the other 90%. He is not obsessed, he is lawyer, he knows that he only needs one conviction that sticks and then he can turn it around for a class action lawsuit in the hundred of millions. That's not crazy that is just down and out greed. And if this guys wins we all suffer.

mummey
07-16-2004, 04:21 PM
That is the exact same thing the team of lawyers did against the Tobacco Industry, they filed lawsuit after lawsuit in state after state for years, until they finally won, resulting in a payoff in the hundred of millions, of course the so-called thousands of people they represented got about 10% of the lump sum while the lawyers got the other 90%. He is not obsessed, he is lawyer, he knows that he only needs one conviction that sticks and then he can turn it around for a class action lawsuit in the hundred of millions. That's not crazy that is just down and out greed. And if this guys wins we all suffer.
Its not greed when you never win....:shrug:

I know what you mean, but I seriously think he does it for the attention. There is no conspiracy by the game companies that he is trying to unravel. If he thinks its such a problem why doesn't he go after the MPAA as well? Its because he gets more attentino going after games.

-B

Boone
07-16-2004, 10:42 PM
If it has the player running around with a chain-saw hacking things to pieces - then sure, its not a game I would expect a little'un to experiance until they are a little older.

But the "violence to police officers"? Depends on what kind of violence the player is allowed to exact on the digital constables! If it's basic kick-em-in-the-shins, then I can't really see a problem. But if its the player taking a chain-saw/blow-torch/shot-gun to the unfortunate fellow, then I would give the game a more adult rating. It all depends on the game's level of violence... :hmm:

FloydBishop
07-16-2004, 11:14 PM
He should concentrate his efforts on stopping porn and spam. And maybe educate parents to monitor what their kids are watching and playing. Just a thought...
The best is spam with porn in it that advertises a videogame. :)

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The other day, I was at lunch and I was crossing the street after having just eaten and I was returning to my car. A pickup truck drove past with a dad (I guess) driving, the mom as a passenger, and a little tiny baby sitting on the mom's lap. What would happen if that truck hit something? Much more damage than can be caused by playing a videogame.

There is much more to correct in society than videogames. Parents have to take a lot of responsiblity. There's a rating system for a reason.

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