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theCloudmover
07-12-2004, 12:56 PM
Hey everyone.
Finished this one about two weeks ago.
Queen Catelyn Stark
Painter 8
Two days.

C&C welcome.

http://img50.exs.cx/img50/3916/QueenCatelynStark.jpg

mmProj
07-12-2004, 01:13 PM
:bounce: I love it. IMO you nailed the color in this pic. Perfect.

Can I ask why you choose to have the view at that angle? Does it represent anything.

The_Magician
07-12-2004, 01:22 PM
Wow dude!!! I Like this one!

But I must agree with mmProj, why is this at such an angle?

Something to crit.... hhmm... no, I pretty much like this one as a whole. Nice work!

gawain
07-12-2004, 01:24 PM
Wonderful! I like everything, but expecially the clothe's drapery
I'm a big fan of the novel by the way :)

G.

Bigpet
07-12-2004, 02:18 PM
excelent Picture.
But I think the face has a neutral expression

gerhardmozsi
07-12-2004, 02:27 PM
Sweet Jebus!!!!
Lovely work. Its is executed with such control. The image is so clear and the lighting is great.

olijosman
07-12-2004, 02:38 PM
excellent accomplishment

m0nicle
07-12-2004, 03:20 PM
this is extremely well done. however something about the face stikes me as a bit mannish. I cant place my finger on it specifically because covering up all but the individual features, individually they look great. mabe its the jaw line. I just really cant figure it out.

Ego
07-12-2004, 03:53 PM
I love it love it love it. I also love the angle because its different.
If you can only give me tips on how you painted her skin, I'd be so very grateful. Every time I paint skin it comes out looking all dull :cry:

Ilikesoup
07-12-2004, 05:40 PM
this is extremely well done. however something about the face stikes me as a bit mannish. I cant place my finger on it specifically because covering up all but the individual features, individually they look great. mabe its the jaw line. I just really cant figure it out.
I have to agree about the masculine look. I think the shadow below her chin makes it appear too rounded where I'd expect it to be angular and her neck should be smoother. Right ear looks a bit too big.

Nice work overall, though. Clothing, trees, all nice.

picksel
07-12-2004, 10:33 PM
I realy like it! It's simple and quiet.I like color to.
Just one think disturbe me... it's the decorations on its apron or it's the color
I don't know...It's the first thing that I look it.
Besides that I find that you work well with painter (grr! I'm little jalous, I have try many times but I'm go back always to photoshop :banghead: )

ChristopherRabenhorst
07-12-2004, 11:40 PM
I think its awesome, very nice design and detail. The way you render clothing and drapery is excellent

liquidwerx
07-13-2004, 01:22 AM
Nicely done. :)


~M~

kemar
07-13-2004, 01:31 AM
This is really awesome!!!
I love the books and your illo really works with them!

theCloudmover
07-13-2004, 03:43 PM
Thank you everyone for your comments.

Jezzarts
07-13-2004, 05:57 PM
Nice work. ..She does kind of look like a very pretty bloke ..I think its the square chin, thick eybrows and side burns..and a mou. shaddow? still good lookin though. I enjoyed your website, lots of great work. I would love to do cards.

MikeBruinsma
07-14-2004, 01:59 PM
Hi Mark,
You have a really nice way of using Painter.:thumbsup: What type of brushes do you prefer to use for various phases of and techniques in your work? I like your blending techniques and your ways of modeling form. I like the color masses you have used to differentiate between the different parts of the piece, especially how the color and light of the background trees offset the main figure. One thing that might merit an exploration would be to darken the shadowing somewhat on the distant portions of the foreground figure and the middleground trees as relating to the background glow of light in the rear trees and the the light that is landing on the front of the main character. This slight heightening of the contrast and accentuation of the light may provide a nice result with the overall impression of the piece, however it may also screw up the richness that you have achieved with the overall color scheme. Probably just a lateral move but it may be worth looking at just to see what happens.
I had a chance to look at some of your website also and I really like all of your work!:buttrock:

My Machineflesh Entry: http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/machineflesh/entry.php?challenger=3736

Sentry Invasion: http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=155122

One-legged Yik: http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?p=1443507#post1443507

P.S. I am having trouble putting an image larger than a thumbnail on my postings. It links to a larger image in another window which is OK, but I was hoping to have a larger image come up in the post like what you have. Do you have any suggestions on how I do this? I'm not sure what I'm missing when I try to do this. Thanks in advance for your time and help on this.

Hyptosis
07-15-2004, 03:06 PM
This is a marvelous piece, one of my favs of yours. The gloves are especialy nice, and the bg quickly and effectivly sets the mood instantly.

theCloudmover
07-15-2004, 05:09 PM
Thank you all again for your comments.

Hi Mark,
You have a really nice way of using Painter.:thumbsup: What type of brushes do you prefer to use for various phases of and techniques in your work? I like your blending techniques and your ways of modeling form.


Mike, for this pix I just used the default "OIL BRUSH Variants" in Painter 8. The flats, and the detail brushes in particular. I started on a colored ground with the pencil sketch floated above the Canvas in a Gel Layer. I used the glow brush for the B/G. From there it was dark to light rendering on the Painter Canvas until done. I'll probably post a WIP for my next pix, maybe one of those cool Painter movies I see from time to time on these boards. I just have to figure out how to do it...

For posting I use ImageShack (http://www.imageshack.us/)
It's free, quick and direct linking is allowed. What sold me is you don't have to register or create an account. From there, just follow the directions at the top of the forum. MR. ALL POWERFULL MODERATOR, maybe you could add the ImageShack (http://www.imageshack.us/) link to the "Free Hosting Solutions" sticky at the top of the forum?

Dene of Terror
07-15-2004, 11:15 PM
WOW..this is astonishing!!!! :scream:

Wonderer
07-16-2004, 02:18 PM
Very good picture :thumbsup:

shserge
08-04-2004, 08:02 AM
Good Queen and her face, i like how it looks with far trees. It's nice way you added dynamic. Best wishes :)

Addiso
08-12-2004, 01:15 PM
Congrats on this piece.

Your rendering style reminds me of older(70s-80s) sci-fi and fantasy book covers. Especially the characters face.Don't get me wrong I intend is a compliment.

Gonna check out all of your work posted here and then move on to your website.

Ginnungagap
08-12-2004, 04:26 PM
Hm.. Looks great.. but i think the woman looks a bit to masculine :/

Alex_Rooth
08-13-2004, 10:52 AM
Nice work, but Catelyn Stark is a tragic character isn't she? Her facial expression really doesn't fit the mood of the books, or tie in with her eventual fate and the fate of her family.

Best regards

Alex

cucaracha
08-14-2004, 03:27 PM
crit: I think her face is 'too much defined' which makes her look masculine.
less character, smoother shapes make a face look more feminin

Aaron
08-14-2004, 04:16 PM
Beautiful work. I'm finishing up A Storm of Swords right now, and I can see a lot of Catelyn in this portrait. I have to agree with Alex, she is a tragic character, and maybe she's a bit more thoughtful than brooding in this portrait, but regardless, it's still a beautiful piece of work.

Cheers,
-Aaron.

Giacomo_M
08-14-2004, 05:17 PM
Great piece! (Much better than anything *I've* ever done...) Your rendering skills make me endlessly, endlessly jealous. Looking at your stuff makes me want to run right out and learn Painter.

My only suggestions are:

1. I echo the remarks of those who have said she looks very masculine. I think it's mostly in her mouth. I'd lose the "mustache" (she's got a little five o'clock shadow on her upper lip) and (ugh, what a hassle) rework her lip and jaw- right now her lower lip and chin are protruding beyond the upper, which looks very male.

2. The figure is sort of merging into the background right now- both figure and ground are similar in terms of detail, value, and "warm vs. cool" colors. (Most noticeably, her grey robe is the same color as the snow behind it, and her face is the same color as the sunlit sky.) If it were up to me, I'd desaturate the background and make her grey robe a brighter color. But there are many ways to make it work.

GM

Is-boset
08-14-2004, 05:19 PM
Excellent!

AndyH
08-14-2004, 05:59 PM
Excellent painting, and really nice mood, but i think she looks like a man in drag!
Hope you arent offended :shrug:

Great work.

mechaboy
08-14-2004, 06:17 PM
Overall good work but she does tend to look quite manish.
I think it needs to soften the color on the cheeks and make the aspects of the face less rigid. Just my opinion.

linzi
08-14-2004, 07:03 PM
Lovely painting and I think the angle makes for an interesting composition.

I do agree that she is a little masculine. I think the lift to her back-combed hair maybe threw the proportions of her face a bit. I also feel that her hands have become slightly oversized. Only other crit is that I feel that her hood seems a little too flat giving the impression that it is on the same plane as her hair.

I played about with your original a little in photoshop to see how difficult it would be to adjust and it only took a couple of minutes with the help of a feathered lasso, a couple of layers and the clone tool.

This is how I see it could be link (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/irene.mcgough/images/forums/QueenCatelynStark_edit.jpg)

pearl3d
08-14-2004, 07:56 PM
cool character..

love it...

xjgd4321
08-14-2004, 08:04 PM
nice characters!:applause:

zeromorph
08-14-2004, 09:16 PM
I think it looks kind of like she has an Adam's Apple - which is what really gives me the masculine feel to it. A woman can have thick features and still be feminine - but she won't have an Adam's apple.

Nice techniques though. Overall and well done picture.

Fitharn
08-14-2004, 09:17 PM
Winter is coming...

Great image Mark, I really like it. Perhaps she could show a little more grief however and I agree she has some masculine characteristics. It's hard to point out where exactly. Besides that a great piece of work!

mehdianim
08-14-2004, 10:31 PM
I was going to say she looks too masculine but I see I'm not the only one with that impression. It's in the eyes A woman's eyes aren't as recessed as a man's if you compare to the brow line, in general of course...

blutack
08-15-2004, 12:36 AM
Wow this is amazing :eek: and only 8 days? that is incredible, good job :thumbsup:

LouisBrowne
08-15-2004, 03:27 AM
I'm very impressed by the craftmanship of this piece. The first glance the image looks very detailed, but on closer inspection, I can see you've selectively place brush strokes to communicate what's needed & important to the image, & not gone over kill with the details which is so easy.



Iz beee likin it!

PhillipCrond
08-15-2004, 08:07 AM
I live near Hollywood, so I see "queens" who look that manly all the time.

Lunatique
08-15-2004, 08:16 AM
Nice piece. The colors on her clothing is a bit sterile though--not enough of her immediate surroundings are reflected on her clothing--which gives it a bit of a fake look--somewhat similar to the flash on a camera, but not as severe.

insanelight
08-15-2004, 09:28 AM
I like it very much!
Very good work man :arteest:

Tranchefeux
08-15-2004, 02:54 PM
In the illustrations kind the keys essence you is posed there... Cheer
for your work
:thumbsup:

theCloudmover
08-15-2004, 11:00 PM
Hi all.

Thanks for the comments. I'll be sure to apply them to my next pix.

I've posting the reference I used for Catlyn. It's some supermodel from the 80s/90s, I can't remember her name...

http://img51.exs.cx/img51/5332/Catlynref.jpg
I think my mistake might have been in the rendering. There is always next time!!

DoLeeP
08-16-2004, 01:59 AM
awsome work I love it good painting

oxyg3n
08-16-2004, 05:34 AM
nice pianting

phoenix
08-16-2004, 06:40 AM
very nice .. lovely feel of trhe fabric...

direndra
08-16-2004, 06:40 AM
awsome ....totally amazing work!!!"

PeterSanitra
08-16-2004, 12:32 PM
look little bit lit a prince to me, not queen, BUT IT IS STILL PERFECT

NoSeRider
08-16-2004, 04:51 PM
Per mOnicle

this is extremely well done. however something about the face stikes me as a bit mannish. I cant place my finger on it specifically because covering up all but the individual features, individually they look great. mabe its the jaw line. I just really cant figure it out.I felt the same way, I so I did a little Photoshop reconstruct to see why I felt that way:
http://user.aol.com/pnhassett/art/queen.jpg

I just feel that cleft bottom lip and the jutting jaw makes her seem a little mascueline.
I love everything else about the Art......so don't hurt me.....please?

theCloudmover
08-16-2004, 04:58 PM
Per mOnicle

I felt the same way, I so I did a little Photoshop reconstruct to see why I felt that way:
http://user.aol.com/pnhassett/art/queen.jpg

I just feel that cleft bottom lip and the jutting jaw makes her seem a little mascueline.
I love everything else about the Art......so don't hurt me.....please?

Thanks for taking the time out to do a little revision. Digital is an amazing medium isn't it?

Well like I said before in a previous post Queen Catlyn Face Reference (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=1510518&postcount=44)

I think my mistake wasn't in the structure, since this chick actually looks like this, but in the rendering.
Oh well... next time!!

cucaracha
08-16-2004, 07:35 PM
now I know it's rather offensive to post images or even alter work of artists in their threads!

I made this cause of personal interest in this piece :)
I hope you don't mind! I take it out immediately if you want so.

Just a little example how a face is made more feminin just by a less defined facial structure (bad english sry)

http://www.superior-gaming.de/cv/queen1.jpg

I changed her chin and her eyes a bit.
Otherwise I only used Painter's "Blur" and "Just add Water" :)
edit: Oh well and some lipgloss :D

what you guys think?

NoSeRider
08-17-2004, 12:17 AM
Posting a link and "posting" are 2 different things......I'm not sure what I did was ethically right.

LouisBrowne
08-17-2004, 10:14 AM
Cucaracha no one ever likes a showboat... But it's by far the best way to learn and improve. Your crits are welcome on any of my posts too!! http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

By the way I agree with Cucaracha post, though would like to see more of the original eye detail remain.

EricUNSL
08-17-2004, 01:32 PM
The Title of the piece is "The Queen" not the princess. She's obviously not supposed to be a young woman. Possibly late 30's early 40's. When was the last time any of you guys really studied a older woman's face or sketched one from life? You do sometimes see those sunken features and bags under the eyes. If this character is suppose to be sad, then smoothing out her facial features doesn't help add character to the face and express what she has gone through. cucaracha, people's cheeks do get bright red when they're out in the cold. I understand what you were going for though. Go outside and look at a woman. From my experience most white women tend to prune up pretty quick around 40 + years of age.

Mark, Until I saw the ref photo I thought maybe it was a neighbor or friend that you used. One crit I will agree with is the value of the shadow plane above the lip. It is a tad dark but that is hyper nit picking at this point. The overall is still strong. I don't think she looks masculine. If you really want to see some masculine women go flip through a muscle magazine or go into your local walmart.

cucaracha
08-17-2004, 04:52 PM
hm even if I'd like to defend my pov- :D
I agree with you about the Princess <-> Queen thing.
Probably I only wanted to see the effect of just removing or blurring certain areas to make her look younger/more feminin.

I don't think it's hyper nit picking when you mention this shadow up her lip.
Considering the fact that she's an adult queen (yes, I know...) that would be the only thing I'd change now.

I'm somehow astonished about not really noticing such little things like her age when looking at the picture first.
It's not only hard to get such work done, it also takes experience to criticize it :)

cu

(please remark when my grammar is getting too bad :D)

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