Beast of Burden - character - Manicalavera15

[ZrO-1]

I really like your griphon design. It looks great. Welcome to the challenge, I look forward to seeing your 3D work. :thumbsup: :wavey:

[Manicalavera15]

thx i post my mesh WIp in a little time !

[Manicalavera15]

English : this is first attempt of the head...I'm thinking about feeling of the beast...kind of furious :-)


Français : c'est le premier essai de la tête...Je pense au sentiment de la bête...quelque chose de furieux :-)

[Manicalavera15]

English : working viewport...:-) tomorrow i'll show my work ont the head finalized and the body !

Français : vue de travail...:-) demain je montre mon travail sur la tête finalisée et le corps !

[Manicalavera15]

English : last render for today in order to see the back.

Français : dernier rendu pour aujourd'hui afin de voir l'arrière.

[Twofy]

Hi,

I think your gryphon's head is too small for its corpse, keep your ratio all over your drawing.

That all...

Oh yes! Burden in french mean "fardeau, charge" ;)

@++

[Twofy]

Your render looks beautifull! I'm impatient to import it ;o)
The head alone is yet impressiant.

[zeb]

We want the body :bounce:
we went the body !!


it's starting in the good way

[Manicalavera15]

English : The body...hum not yet zeb i'm working on it :shame:

But take a look at this new version of the head...:p

[Manicalavera15]

English : another thing...i'm working on the charcater...
It's a gobelin (gremlins !) Hord !!! they kidnapped the griphon from his master ! is it a good idea?:wavey:

[Manicalavera15]

thx to my teacher for the idea !
the center-model shows a manga-version
right and face views are final art for modeling : )

[Manicalavera15]

Working view... adding some details...
image is bad...argh

[Manicalavera15]

I'm working hard on his face...new color to see DETAILS :scream:

[Twofy]

This mesh is the kind of thing that make me happy for whole a day :)

It will be a pleasure to work on it :applause:

[Manicalavera15]

the perfection has a name..Mani15 :thumbsup:
seriously..thx for the posts two

everybody..what do you think about the eye? i have cleared all bug and cut...

[Manicalavera15]

Hi ! need some opinon !

i'm working hard on the body (very hard...)

the back s not yet engaged, i m working on the front legs and front body !

Scanline render of max (no brazil)

[Twofy]

I think you could add feather on the front body, or will you make this only with texture?

[Manicalavera15]

ahem..;huh? feather 'll come with extrude ruleZ...
or if i can use some plug...i dunno yet :shrug:

[Steve Warner]

Hi! I like the gryphon idea! A couple of crits on the character so far. The head has some nice details going in it, but the body is still a little too boxy. The front legs need to be smaller. They're almost as big as the back ones, which make the character look disproportionate. They are beginning to shape up. Just a little more tweaking! Also, something is happening just behind the head and along the top of the back. It almost looks like it's supposed to be a cape, but it's not clear from your drawing or your model. Whatever that is needs to be resolved or removed.

This is coming along nicely. Keep up the good work!

Steve

[Manicalavera15]

hi man ! thx for the post...sorry for the "cape" actually it s the beginning of the griphon's wing :p

about the front legs ...i m still working on, but the proportion are good...back legs are not competely created ...

i ll post another view to let you understand the true form.

[ZrO-1]

One crit I have is with the lower "jaw" part of the beak. It looks like it's just a plane and has no thickness to it. I would suggest rolling the edge of the lower beak in on itself to add some thickness to that part. I love the rest of the face. It's looking really great.

[ZrO-1]

Oh and as far as the wings go. I'd start over on them. Try modeling the wings as if you were making arms without hands. Then extrude the back side to add the width needed for the feathers. Right now they don't look so good (sorry). The rest of the beast's body looks awesome though.

[OZ]

Mmmm.....It looks like to be a great bob! I like the idea of an air creature.......the head of ur bob is very,very good.Kmon!show us more!:bounce:

[Manicalavera15]

yeah yeah yeah !!!:buttrock:
i m working onnn the moon (huh?)

i explain : the beak : i ll make when i finish the entire body

but you re right... the bottom-beak is still kinda too flexible (do you understand my horrible english)

here a new post ! face of my BoB...
i m working on the wings...

[Manicalavera15]

arf sorry for the size of the screen...:annoyed:

another post : low polygon edit mod :thumbsup:
about 6500 faces with eyes (900 per eye i think...)

[Manicalavera15]

i m working on the wings...1 700 000 faces for the render...because of stupid meshsmooth level 3 :annoyed:
i m stupid...i kick meshsmooth and make goodest wings !

what do you think of it?:shrug:

[Crash]

Nice and original, there aren't many flying beasts in this contest. My advice, rounden him a bit, now he's somehow quadratic,and work on the muscle definition. The contraption could be a net with goblins or some other creatures. He could be a hunters pet, just some quick ideas. I'll watch your progress :applause: .

[Manicalavera15]

yes..sorry ..i have forgotten the meshsmooth on the griphon in the last viewport screen posted...:p

thx for your advice ! i m take care of goblins !:thumbsup:

[Manicalavera15]

still working on the wings...
scale X2 (oh yes magnific giant wings !)

still some little bug in the wings...i ll clear it tomorrow...:wip: :thumbsup:

[Twofy]

GGrrr!!!

That F****** AOL crashed when I posted my last message :annoyed:

It contained something as :

Oooouuuuhhh!!!

It takes forms! :)

Keep a look at it, otherwise it could fly away!!! :applause:

[Manicalavera15]

geeeeek !:eek:

WINGS ARE VERY DIFFICULT :scream: !!!

mh...i have taken advices (thx ZRo and co :buttrock: )

working on the wings...and i have deleted feather in order to make anothers ...
your opinion? idea?

[Manicalavera15]

persp. view with begining of new feather:wavey: :hmm:

[ZrO-1]

The new version of the wings looks awesome. I love how wild they are. I think the griphon looks great so far.

Nice work, keep it up :thumbsup:

[Twofy]

Just a word about the wings : When I first look at them, I believed seen two pairs but it seems there's only one pair. What do you thing about two pairs of wings for your Gryphon? This could give him something of... Royal! :)

[Manicalavera15]

hum...good idea twofy ...but the scene will be heavy...

i l ltest this afternoon, promise !:thumbsup:

[Manicalavera15]

more details on the wings, cleaning feather...and perhaps i ll can begin the goblins today !:applause:
(after goblins...if i have the time...i ll make muscles and hyperdetailled body on the gryphon !)
but..if i have time...lol...have beginning the cgtalk challenge 4 days ago...:D

[Joril]

Feather wings rule!
:buttrock:
Go see my bob to see how I did :D

[Manicalavera15]

i'm on the 3rd & 4th back wings...i have to make another bone to make it organic and not "flaggy" :p

i have created anothers bones on the front wings : two differents styles : feather and dragon's wings for gryphon's fan and dragon's fan !

have to work on the legs...the tail and huh....another thing?


:cool:

[Manicalavera15]

little test ...i wanna see basic max scanline renderer (test DoF, Blur, fake GI;) ) and make scene beta posture...

p.s : feather make me mad lol

[Twofy]

Ouho

What's a kind of progress...

Sometimes I think that modeler is an easier job than coder... But this could be only in my imagination... no this is a reality ;-)

So, work as fast as a modeler, and as hard as a coder. Go on buddy ;-)

[Manicalavera15]

yeah...finally, i was too tired to finish him yesterday... i finish him today ! (and i ll begin the burden and co system :bounce: ):buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:

[Manicalavera15]

thx for voting !

i'm on the challenge until 1 week...i have twenty days less than anothers to make my BoB..snif..but i promise i make the best griphon in the world...
i have 5 days to show the final BoB !!!


thxthxthx a lot !:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Manicalavera15]

take a look at the LPM version 3354 faces per side.:)

[Manicalavera15]

aaaargh !:annoyed:
screen quality is horrible...i make one big scrren 800*600 per view...sorry...:eek:

[Manicalavera15]

front...

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Right...

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Top...

[Manicalavera15]

And perpective:cool:
now...i finish feather, and i begin the "shelter" on the griphon..whith harness of course:)

[Twofy]

We want a render! Quick! :scream:

[pit]

This guy is in bad need of some manicure and pedicure;)

Looks awesome!!!:eek: so stop sleeping, live on black coffee and finish this baby!!!! GO GO GO!

[Twofy]

:applause: So you read this Mani?:love:

Buy some coffe shares and work! :)

BTW : Manicalavera means something in Corsica, isn't it?

[Manicalavera15]

hehehe...Manicalavera...refers to a game (lucas entertainment..)

But ! of course...kinda Italian Name !!! and maybe some Corsica ruleZ :buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:


YEAH coffee (burp:surprised ) and i make you mad with my powerfullesttttttttttttttt (lol) Gryphon !

burp...too much coffee:rolleyes:

[Manicalavera15]

Griphon 01 is finished !!! if i have the time in the end of the challenge, i'll take some time to make more details on him...:shrug:
Now ! I'm working on the mapping !
let's see...hum...i dunno yet how proceed to make some bump on him...any idea? any crit? Let's rock !:airguitar :airguitar :airguitar

[Manicalavera15]

FREESTYLE RULEZ !

no map? héhéhé i have my (finger) tactic !!!

warning : no sucking brazil, no final render nothin else THAN SCANLINE MAX RENDERER :buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:

and some lights...

this test must be taken as a test...no representative of the final illumination rendering...

[Manicalavera15]

Details ...

[Twofy]

Ouha. :D

Each post of this Gryphon is better than the last...

When U release a final render?

Keep going on! :thumbsup:

[Manicalavera15]

no final render for the moment..be patient :hmm:
little persp view...

[J-Yann]

This is a great Griffon, i wanna to see the final form !!! :applause: :love:


http://perso.wanadoo.fr/j-yanncorp/azlea.jpg
www.j-yanncorp.fr.st (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/j-yanncorp)

[Sylfurd]

Wonderful little bird :thumbsup:

[Twofy]

This perspective and colors give him somthing of a phoenix don't you think?

[Manicalavera15]

hum oh..bah oh huh?:eek:

yes, but it's just a test:shrug:

i'll make another style with beta-details (ground, harness and goblins...):cool:

[spec0r]

looking great!

How long have you been using 3ds max if u dont mind me asking :)?

I've just started learning it and was curious to see how long it took you to produce such amazing works.

[Manicalavera15]

Thx man !
:beer:
i'm working on 3dsmax until 2 years
really, i have known the software in 1998...but i had school...:annoyed:

you can do this kind of little imaginative monster with ...Role playing learning lesson, 2 months of intensive learnin' modeling and some coffee...:rolleyes:
hum, i think my monster is not very good in front of anothers who had begun 20 days ago:shrug: but i'm flash modeler :thumbsup:

i do my best to make beautiful render, for me, for you my friends !

[Manicalavera15]

hum one detail i forget !:bounce:
this griphon have taken about 45 hours of hard work !
have made him in a little week :buttrock:

[Manicalavera15]

environment work...first test:bounce:

[Manicalavera15]

Goblin work...master's Beast (about 5-6 littles goblins)

griphon = 5 meters (scale)
goblin = 1 meter (scale)

the head is not very detailled yet...:shrug:

[Manicalavera15]

another view ...

(bump on the head)

[Razorjak]

Hey man!
That's a really good design you made for your gobelin character :)

Keep up the good work!

However I just wanted to give you a little criticism about your environment test: I'm not really fond of the bump map you made, cause the map scaling is too high and it results of artefacts on the rendered picture.
But I'm sure you'll correct this!

See ya,

Razorjak

[Manicalavera15]

thx razorjak ! yeah...for the bump, you re right...and image quality is bad on top of that :annoyed:

ii ll see if i can do sthing to make better bump !

:cool:
(p.s : goblin ruleZZZ, i'm working on gob's body now, and after that ! the HARNESS and the machinal transport):buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:

[Manicalavera15]

little update of the Gob 's modeling...:hmm:

[Twofy]

lol! Flying goblins. That's their favorite posture when I hit them with my favorite Morning Star ;o)

Goblins puarez, DwArF RuLeZ!!!! ;)

[Manicalavera15]

Skinhead dwarf !Skinhead dwarf !Skinhead dwarf !Skinhead dwarf !Skinhead dwarf !Skinhead dwarf !:scream:


:applause: :applause: :applause:
Gob's powa !

[Manicalavera15]

scanline render : two beta lights, no posture skin yet for the beast...have to create the war machine (left of the beast in the scene) the war machine is a wood tower with spear and gobelins...no harness yet, no effect...just little test of merge scene/beast
the sky dome is not finishied, no DoF, no Blur, No fake Gi ... No final map and not the final view...

:annoyed: i hope i can finish it before the end of the challenge !

[Razorjak]

Yeah, This thing is gonna be really great man!
You'll just have to hurry, cause the challenge's deadline approaches....
Looking Forward for your next post

-Razorjak

[Twofy]

Yes, that'd a pretty good looking, but it still remains a little lack of light don't U think so?

[Manicalavera15]

update of gob'd modeling...:bounce:

[Manicalavera15]

twofy : lights ll come with final render (not the plug but the last render :applause: )

[Manicalavera15]

details...(body)

[Manicalavera15]

hand...(bump sucks...bump s buggy:annoyed: )

[buenp]

Great work Manicalavera15 it will be very hard to finish in the top 5 (there is a lot of very interesting projects) but i think u can do it . I think u should work harder on the griphon 's environement because it s a very nice project and you don t have so much time to finish the goblin . Who know ? maybe you 've got a secret idea to reach the first place . Anyway i wish you good luck c u.

[Manicalavera15]

Brazil sucks...:thumbsdow

but i have finished the gob ! (oh..yes again few details to add...:rolleyes: )

[Manicalavera15]

...nobody post?
i need some advice, c&c....

plz make an effort :beer:

[Twofy]

Yes, I know, lights are for the final render...
But in that case... we can't see very details here... Yes it's a gob but... We don't really see it ;o)

[Sylfurd]

Woah!! U've worked a lot today!! The Diablotin is well modelised !! I'm impatient to see it in a more natural pose!:applause:

[Manicalavera15]

brazil sucks..but Gi cool:bounce:
so i ll change my mind, when i ll make final scene i render it with final render, scanline and brazil...for you ! guys :thumbsup:

[Manicalavera15]

mh...i have to claim somethinnn important , i wanna thank all my friends who are helping me :

Mlk, because he's so stupid;)
Alexletouriste, he love Final fantasy, so he's cool (lol)
Seb (all the sebastienS) My first friend Seb hlps me on modeling's idea, the 2nd little seb (gamin va !) is very gluant (french word huhuh), the third...huh? no third i think...(fatal error)

renaud lightwaver , he's courageous and love my work :love:
Remi (razor) for help & advice (wuwuwuwu i wanna kill myself !!)

i also thank walter G. for his gob 's idea concept, also because he's a cool 3D teacher ! (waawaaa c'est pas une poule mon griphon !!!:annoyed: )

of course thx to my family : mommm who love love love all my work (and me), my bro (no ! i hate warhammer !), my father "arghh ouahhh i m godzillaaa":scream: , my dog "el bandito" and finally, my forgotten friends...because my memory is a big hole....
and ME ! because i'm the god of my won world ;)
thx everybody, it's my first challenge, and not the last !

Mani, the calavera (so many nicknames...i love this one)

[Manicalavera15]

hey i know i was forgotten someones !

Twofy !! the leader dwarf powaaaaaa ! thx for your hammer's "paf"

buenp ! thx for the post

and anothers unknown posters ! thx a loooooooot:scream: :scream: :scream:

[Manicalavera15]

uhu...just mention : i haven't finished my challenge men ;)
wait until week end (saturday for the end)


pfffiewww that's all :eek: (i speak to much, i know)

[Manicalavera15]

back...beginning of the gob's harness !:buttrock:

[phil]

Hi Manicalavera15, this is looking awesome, I love what you did with the feathers in the end, they would look great textured (if you keep going with this after the challenge is over make sure you post it in the wip section :)

Really really very, very great stuff :):):)

[Manicalavera15]

thx phil :)
hum i hope i can finish at time...but it's sure i make more details and i finish at 100% after the challenge...:shrug:

twofy : as you wish a lightin's version of the gob, here's some one of the body head.:cool:

[Twofy]

Yeah, you shouldn't forgot friend, that's a bad thing ;o)

Yes, we see some details on the face, but green-from-swamp don't let see very other details :)

Yes I know I'm "heavy" (joke for french speaker ;o)

[Manicalavera15]

Ok guys...i won't sleep this night !:shame:
i wanna finish my challenge ...here's a serie of my work
i'm on the details, scene render system and i search to make ambiance...

c&c this night ! or neverrrrrrrr:buttrock:
first : place of the griphon : legs on the rock

[Manicalavera15]

now the war's tower gob's machine...

with details (spears, and co...)
mister gob is looking at you !:D

[Manicalavera15]

and firetorch's test (what's the word in english? --->une torche)

gob's are stupid (like me:drool: )
and they forget firetorch love wood...:surprised

[Manicalavera15]

one little gob...scale's idea :)


my gry is a giant one campare the gobs ( one gob = 1 meter, a griphon without wings : about 10-15 meters):cool:

[Manicalavera15]

Important ! First test of serious render...What do you think of it? I need your opinion...I have to finish my BoB this morning:shrug:

[tubby]

hey its looking good! to give you my opinion on your render, i like the fact you have a tight closeup, but do you think you should reveal more of the beast? the colors are good, is the blurry effect intentional, i like it though but its hiding all the nice details you put into the model. hope i helped:) :)

[Manicalavera15]

thx !

of course...i m making anothers views:thumbsup: (about 10/15 , and i ll choose best ones)

ok for the blur..i think i can remove it.

Anothers c&c?

[erilaz]

Hmm, not sure about the rope the goblin's hanging on to. It's a bit wonky. Apart from that, no crit! Excellent.:D

[Manicalavera15]

brazil sucks..45 min per render...

two anothers screens here of final version (i have forget special finish and details..srry i have to go this night in hollydays...so i must finish renders before 15h in france (and in france now : 14h30):annoyed:

ok ! some screens !:cool:

[Manicalavera15]

arf sorry...the third image (wide plan) has bad light..we can t see nothin...sry

[Manicalavera15]

front legs of the beast (+ chain of the burden linked to his left leg)

[erilaz]

Hey... you picking brazil?:surprised
Brazil is grrrreat! Just takes longer to get good quality!:)


I don't think you need brazil to make your scene look good though, because this looks fantastic! Really nice. Pity you've got such limited time.

Work faster! Me want more!:bounce:

[Manicalavera15]

i do my best...i use brazil because of global illumination, i have a problem with scanline omnis...the scene is bugging all the time...so i have no choice (damn !:annoyed: )


hum..i m on another view...have to be patient

p.s : one day..i ll take my comp and i ll kill him.:wip:

[Manicalavera15]

finally ! i m back and i have until now to this night (now : 18h57) 00h to finish my BoB...
yeah !!!!:cool: :applause: :cool:

[Manicalavera15]

Ok...That's all folks (sic)

I have made several final renderers and my scene is finished...

about ten days to make it... 45 min brazil rendering per image (5 in the compositing...)

I hope you like it.:shrug:

i'll make debug and i will finish it next week...for my friends who wanna see true form of the final textured griffon with good posture :rolleyes:


Enjoy n' have fun all
Here are the 3 last renders views
the third...(shows us how hot is the desert ambiance for poor gob's worker)

[Manicalavera15]

The fourth...an overall view on top of the scene...(lower left the war tower, upper right the gryphon)

[Manicalavera15]

and the last : directional camera master tower's gob and behind the gryphon
i'm making one last render view...for plasure ;)

[tubby]

congradulations on finishing, your project turned out great. i dont know if you changed the settings from the last image i seen but this looks way better!!great work!!

[Manicalavera15]

And the last...
The final view of the gryphon...
(one surprise will arrive before my departure to holidays :buttrock: )

[Manicalavera15]

and surpriseeeee !
Scanline's render lol
(in order to make an idea of little 5 min scanline in front of 45 min Brazil...)
...I have to go...i hope sincerely you like it (again uhuhuh)


every body : good luck for the end of the challenge !:bounce:

[ZrO-1]

That's looking really great Manicalavera. Fantastic work.

[Lukashi]

nice stuff!, lol my scanline looks a lot worse than urs, not gonna post it thought, :p

Anyways really nice job, and i love the colors/lights looks really nice, but a higher res picture woulda been nicer...

[erilaz]

Very cool! Both brazil and scanline!!:thumbsup:

You've done a perfect job!

[Twofy]

Yes! I love you goblin's tower ( but I still hate ALL goblins ;) )

That scene deserves a place on the final podium don't you think so? then, VOTE!!! :) ( four or five stars, no? :p )

@++!

[levius]

WOW, what a breath taking Dragon !!

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