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Byla
06-21-2004, 09:43 AM
So my question is, how to learn shake?

What books do you guys recommend?
What DVDs or any other video tutorials?
And what courses or schools?

Hugh
06-21-2004, 09:50 AM
For compositing in general, The Art And Science Of Digital Compositing (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0121339602/qid=1087807700/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-7084238-9371045?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) is the defacto compositing book.
There is also a book specifically on Shake 3 training (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321197259/qid=1087807758/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-7084238-9371045) - I've not seen it myself, so I can't vouch for it...

Training DVDs: None that I would recommend...

Courses: Escape Studios in London have a course that's meant to be very good. I've not seen it personally, though....

alexx
06-21-2004, 10:02 AM
its hard to recommend something for me.

i learded it by using it.
i am a 3d artist and had to do my own comps. so when using a shader tree like in maya there is not really that much of a difference to using shake.

i had some compositors sitting in the company who i was looking over the shoulder from time to time.. but i think the only thing you need to do to learn shake is: get the idea. and the idea is: everything is possible :)

just read through the manual and see what the different nodes are able to do and then just play.. think of what might look good and then try to achieve it.

i think most of the books (the few that are there) can as well only give you a glance on what you can do. the fun part of compositing starts when you play yourself and achieve results that you wanted..

sounds all pretty obvious i fear and is not that much of a help :/

sorry

alexx

Byla
06-21-2004, 10:11 AM
Well the problem is that there are many many books about Combustion and After effects and tips& trick stuff, but there are none for shake. I mean, I am quite good at compositing already, so I know the principles, but still, having a tips&tricks book about shake would be awesome. Or project based tutorials. Actualy that would be even better. Yeah!

anyways, 10x !

ant-
06-21-2004, 12:33 PM
shake has some of the best help files i have seen, detailed tutorials and examples are everywhere. some nodes are alittle lacking in explanation but a good rumage round is usually enough to give you a good idea of what to do.

I personally find it very hard to learn from books or videos, experimentation is the key, and once your head gets round shakes way of workings it becomes second nature.

CIM
06-22-2004, 11:58 AM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned cmiStudio's training DVDs for Shake: http://www.cmistudios.com/product_shake.htm.

Byla
06-22-2004, 12:09 PM
I thought I have somewhere :shrug:

Ross Forster
06-22-2004, 12:44 PM
Yeah, the Shake series 2 DVD's by cmi should by all accounts, be a good one. I will probably pick them up to see how they do.

alexyork
06-23-2004, 06:10 PM
Hey all - interesting thread.

I was also wondering about Shake courses. The Escape studios course looks excellent but it is FAR TOO expensive, at least for me (a student).

There used to be a 3-day course on Shake at Tyrell, but it's closed down now I believe.

Anyone know of any other courses? (even expensive ones).

Any more info/feedback on the Escape Studios course would also be very much appreciated.

Cheers

Ross Forster
06-24-2004, 04:30 PM
Heya mothermachine, I left a little info in your other thread...actually it should really be moved here. :)

Byla
06-24-2004, 09:50 PM
yeah, post it here please

Trambott
06-25-2004, 04:57 AM
I imagine your not in the mood to travell to OZ for a short course, but I was just having a look at the Australian Film and Tele school and noticed that they have started offering short courses in shake. He is a link just in case anyone is interested.

http://www.aftrs.edu.au/index.cfm?objectid=24779001-D0B7-4CD6-F966AF8E4D4160E1

Byla
06-25-2004, 10:46 AM
man that sounds interesting. Is this school any good? I mean, it looks quite good to me!

Aneks
07-07-2004, 01:21 AM
Like a lot of folks who picked up shake a few years ago I had a hard time finding learning resources. But they are out there. First and foremost do the tuts in the docs and then read them rest of the docs too !!. They are very useful.

There was a bunch of tuotrials put together by nothing real back in the day which used to be called something like 'instructor training or reseller training' and was basically just a small booklet with a cd. (in fact there were two of these that I remember playing with.. there probably is more)

Someone kind of rolled all of it together with some new stuff when that shake 101 and shake 201 course that was being taught a while back. That had a lot of cool stuff in it. I garauntee that this stuff is on the web somewhere ....

The apple pro training series book bares a pretty striking resemblance to some of the material in that course.

The Australian Film Television and Radio School (AFTRS) course, was initially written and taught by Tim Beier (read supergenius) and was very good. Although I don't think he still teaches it and so the content may have changed.

The stuff I have seen from cmiStudios (well the free downloads anyway) seem ok but pretty beginner oriented.

Ron Brinkmans book is a MUST. as is Steve Wrights book :

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0240804554/qid=1089158844/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-6299156-5126466?v=glance&s=books

although people on the shake list give it a bit of stick for being too cineon biased in its approach.

Epicentre
07-14-2004, 05:00 AM
Griffith Film School (Griffith University) in Brisbane Australia is looking to implement Shake into their G5 lab for first semester 2005. It would be most likely be integrated into the Bachelor of Digital Media or Bachelor of Multimedia Degree structure.

At this stage, no firm decision has been made. Pressure is being applied by students and teaching staff alike. :cool:

cerebralcortex
07-18-2004, 08:08 PM
Here's a school in Northern California. I haven't taken the class or even read any reviews on it but....... well, here it is.

http://www.bavc.org/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=127&osCsid=fcb35140161b184117a7888688304833

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