Plugin: Ornatrix- Hair for everyone

[JeffPatton]

Wow, thanks will download and try it out. :beer:

[treed]

Again Marsel, you amaze me. ;)

[Reality3D]

Oh, great surprise after sme development got on Hold :)


:thumbsup:

[Ballo]

I love your works.:thumbsup: Tu si que sabes!!!!



Greetings. :buttrock: :bowdown:

[neversong]

deeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmm~~~~~~~~~ :bounce:

[PiledotNET]

Congrats man! :beer:

Best regards,

[Equinoxx]

I just got one word to say that should cover it all . . .

RESPECT

what's you're doing for us just plain ROCKS marsel.

will check it out asap.

cheers

[arman]

Great!!! I'm bored to waiting shave & haircut plugin..

thanks :beer:

[Marsel Khadiyev]

Thanks guys :)

This is just sort of 'testing out' release. The plans that I have for advanced versions of the plugin are somewhat abstract, and I need to test out my base algorithms meanwhile.

I'll try to compile a Max 5 version today (Max5 doesn't like me a lot for some reason).

Marsel

[SuperMax]

Vote 1 Marsel for Discreet President,

well atleast well have someone up there listening to us little folk down here :p


thanks marsel, youve been a great asset to the 3dsmax community.

cheers

[SuperMax]

weird name though Ornatrix

whats it mean.

[Marsel Khadiyev]

:) Thanks SuperMax, thats very flattering.

Ornatrix means "hairdresser" in latin. To be more sprecise, it means "female slave hairdresser" ;)

Marsel

[Wardile]

how easy is the hair animated, can the hair be calculated like reactors softbodies, or a flex mod.

Or do u need to keyframe certain things ?

[Taoizm]

Very nice Marsel. I can't wait to give it a try.

[Marsel Khadiyev]

Wardile: Animation aspect right now is Ox's weakest link. There is a built-in dynamics engine, but I am not very happy with it.

It is certainly not aimed towards production yet, but it does do skin-driven reaction.

You can also add any of Max's spacewarps as external forces. There's a collision detection and response system, where you can add any external objects as well as the distribution mesh, but its pretty much using a brute-force approach for collisions right now and thus can be very slow.

Future plans do include things like IK hair control, linking hair to any deformable object (like clothsim) and so on, but before that there are millions of other things that need to be straightened out.


M

[Wardile]

one step at a time.

I was just curious.

Another question... can u use mesher to create a mesh out of the hair, does max see it as a particle system ?

[Marsel Khadiyev]

You can export hair to spline, and the just make mesh out of that.

You can also as easily import it back (so you can import hair made for shag, for example).

[Wardile]

Thats just to awesome.

Keep it up mate

[sireel]

Marsel if I weren't a man I would want to bare your children.... that didn't come out right...
Anyways Thanks for all of the GREAT free stuff you've been putting out for the 3ds community to use.

[romi]

awesome stuff Marsel. thank you so much! the combing stuff looks great.

cheers,
Rom
primarymotion.com
zipperint.com

[ivo D]

This is great!!

cant say more than just Amazing, respect....... putting all the efford in it, im gonna try it soon.

what i pick up out of your feute list amazes me, really looking forward to using it.

shaghair isnt so friendly in usability some times..

very good for a conceptual try.. if you dont call it a beta yet..

man awsome!!

[stenosis|kill]

wow.. that looks great!
can't wait for the max5 version :drool:

[mouj]

Hey Marsel !
Looks great, i can't wait for the R5 release ! Congrats and many thanks for the work you are doing for the community !
:thumbsup:

mouj

[thomaspecht]

looks very interesting judged from the screenshots. are you planning to publish an R4 binary as well?
I'd appreciate that very much since I'm looking to test alternatives for shag:hair

[CHRiTTeR]

Does it support the GI rendering in Brazil?
I know shag has problems with rendering in Brazil (shadows I think)

[plunq]

So that's what you've been up to... Wow that is looking very promissing Marsel, keep up the great work. I can't wait to try it.

[Marsel Khadiyev]

Thanks guys, looks like it is catching on :)

CHRiTTeR: No GI support (because no geometry is being rendered), but then again this is just a proof of concept version.

Joel: Hey man! Long time no talk :P How are things at Red Rover?

M

[ToddD]

We are very fortunate to have generous people in our community that develop fantastic pieces of work like this, thank you a million times over for you efforts!:beer:

[dougmackay]

Marsel,
Great job on the hair plugin! I knew you were up to something, but you've been even busier than I thought!

Well done!

Doug

[Cararan]

This should be a very promising hair plug-in. I'll be waiting for a Max5 version to try it out.

[Marsel Khadiyev]

If any of you are interested, check out the tutorial section for a quick video run through some of Ox's features.

This should be up for a couple of days, but then I'll have to take it out in order to conserve limited server dandwidth :p

http://www.ibmr.net/Ornatrix/

Marsel

[newone]

Simple: you are great! Respect! I have no words:bowdown: :thumbsup:

[Marsel Khadiyev]

Thx newone :)

Max R5 version is now available in the downloads page.

[whtnoise]

good f*in business :buttrock:

[dubge]

:beer: no words man just a great job!!!! thanks

[sireel]

Marsell this is a MONSTER freebee. I'm playing around with it right now and am just floored by it.
I'm not sure if you posted this up as a kindness or if you want us to log errors that came up and let you know about them.

[PiXeL_MoNKeY]

Originally posted by Sir Eel
Marsell this is a MONSTER freebee. I'm playing around with it right now and am just floored by it.
I'm not sure if you posted this up as a kindness or if you want us to log errors that came up and let you know about them.

I think it is both. He has a forum over on his site with a specific section for Bug Reports and wishlist items, etc.

[Marsel Khadiyev]

:)

Sir Eel, I think cire0321 pretty much covered it.

M

[stenosis|kill]

oh great, i never work with hairtools before.. i must test it now :applause: thanks for the r5 version!! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Martijn Wijmer]

I downloaded this baby this afternoon, didn't have time to play with it until now (far beyond midnight) and i just can't get myself to stop trying things out!!!! This is so incredible, it has all the options you can think of and more. You just wrote a killer plug-in. Hands down to DA MAN!!! Thanks, you've made my day.:thumbsup:

on a special note my female 3D models like to thank you, cause they were totally revolted with their Sinnead O' Connor appearances.

[erilaz]

Sweet holy folicals. :drool:

You've done the max world a massive service my friend. :thumbsup:

[MCage]

Very coooool!!

A question ...

Will be possible to transform the hair in some geometry with dynamics like shag do???and create someting like feathers or grass or other type of fur, hair??


thanks :)!

[Marsel Khadiyev]

MCage: Do you mean collision detection with external objects? That possible but for now its a little slow. And all of that will be possible eventually :P

Here's a new render Song (Hwasup) did with his gorgeous Hulk.

http://www.ibmr.net/Ornatrix/gallery/6_small.jpg (http://www.ibmr.net/Ornatrix/gallery/6.jpg)

Cheers!

Marsel

[Daniel-B]

Purly awesome. Thank you!

[MCage]

no... i mean transform the hair in geometry like spline or mesh....

and if is possible to control the thickness of the hair along the lenght..for creating some sort of feathers or grass or i don't know...


thanks:!

[stenosis|kill]

hell ya, all those images of your free hair tool look brilliant to me! So i tried the max5 release version.. but it seems to be a little bit buggy to me. Hehe, okay its just the beta ^^
I worked out your first tutorial... but everytime i tried to render my max crashed.. and i didnt get a hair preview.. this field remains black? :shrug:

[neversong]

I rarely use hair preview. It's always been unstable on me. :p

oooooooops~ Marsel, I mean... I am just too busy with combing.:rolleyes: hahahahaha

OX is obviously addictive.

Since I started using it, I always think about hair modeling.

As you all max users know.. Hair has been one of the things max lacks. We all hunger for hair.


cheers,

song:bounce:

[Hexodam]

wow, just wow

tried this out yesterday, rather buggy, crashed on me alot but the power the power!!!

If descreet would be smart then they would just hire you to do this plugin and then put it into the next max version. So easy to use :buttrock:

also they should throw out character studio and replace it with CAT, but thats another discussion :)


:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Equinoxx]

Originally posted by Marsel Khadiyev
Ornatrix means "hairdresser" in latin. To be more sprecise, it means "female slave hairdresser" ;)

Marsel

sorta like 'sLave and haircut' hehe

sorry, kinda lame but just HAD to make this comment

for those that don't understand it, a while back 'shave and haircut' was gonna be e new plugin for 3dsmax but got canceled.

[Marsel Khadiyev]

LOL

Its all about the way you look at it ;)

M

[sireel]

Man equinox that was just a horrible joke :p

[thorn3d]

If descreet would be smart then they would just hire you to do this plugin and then put it into the next max version

Ya, that would be GREAT!

Instead of having the developer on this forum, discussing various features and plans for the future, you'd get - well, NO info from discreet!

Instead of Marsel taking an idea you offer and saying "Great idea, I'll try that" or "Maybe, but we'll wait and see", discreet would say - well, NOTHING!

Instead of seeing a new alpha/beta version posted every 2-4 weeks for everyone to test, you'd get a version when you bought max and THEN get to test it!

And when a bug is reported: instead of seeing a patch go up a few days later, you'd get to wait until either a full X.1 app patch was released... or a new version of max was released.... assuming discreet to actually decided to fix it. ;)

Ya, sounds like a great idea for discreet to get involved and incorporate this nice new plugin. ;)

thorn

[Verma]

Originally posted by thorn3d
If descreet would be smart then they would just hire you to do this plugin and then put it into the next max version

Ya, that would be GREAT!

Instead of having the developer on this forum, discussing various features and plans for the future, you'd get - well, NO info from discreet!

Instead of Marsel taking an idea you offer and saying "Great idea, I'll try that" or "Maybe, but we'll wait and see", discreet would say - well, NOTHING!

Instead of seeing a new alpha/beta version posted every 2-4 weeks for everyone to test, you'd get a version when you bought max and THEN get to test it!

And when a bug is reported: instead of seeing a patch go up a few days later, you'd get to wait until either a full X.1 app patch was released... or a new version of max was released.... assuming discreet to actually decided to fix it. ;)

Ya, sounds like a great idea for discreet to get involved and incorporate this nice new plugin. ;)

thorn

Usually when discreet incorporate a plug-in into next version of max, they do good testing of it first. And in my own experience I've not seen max crashes because of the new incorporated plug-in.
Here are 4 plug-ins recently put into max from r4-r6 and they all worked fine for me:
1. MultiRes
2. Reactor
3. MeshTools script.
4. Mental Ray

[thorn3d]

Meshtools wasn't purchased and integrated into max5. Discreet created the code from scratch - according to a post written by Bobo, i believe. The toolset is similar but not the same codebase.

Just giving credit where's it's due. :)

thorn

[Refracted]

here's my attempt :) though i get these odd artifacts in the hair... the shading is really nice though.

http://refracted.cellwars.net/ornatrix4.jpg

[treed]

Lookin good Refracted. :) Are you using the cheap or expensive shader type?

[Refracted]

expensive.. i get just about the same result using the enviroment and the effect, though the effect is slightly faster.

[Nima-3dman]

Only thank you , thank you , thank you... :thumbsup:
I think more people must see this post.

I want it into 3ds max7 ... :cry: :cry:

[devank_phoenix]

ornatrix is superb.
it's even better than digimation's shag hair or shag fur.
keep it up:thumbsup: :applause:

btw will the final version support other renderer's like mental ray?

[HabibD]

i like it becuse the hair look real and smooth
and the great thing on 3dsmax

GO EAST GO WEST 3DSMAX IS THE BEST
OF ALL....

:bowdown:

[Q_B]

Marsel:

I have two words for you: "WOW"

I mean, if there is a thing MAX users r claimin for ages is when the f*ck do we get a nice hair system?

And so u did it ... you'll do it ... are doing it ... damn whatever! Its great!

Just played it a bit till now, and i tell ya ... it crashes on me BIG time! lol!

The video walkthru u put up, well, it may be me, but i simply couldn't see nuttin due to poor resolution.

One thing: when u ppl talk about hair preview r u talkin bout viewport preview?

But don't get me wrong, please; i'm NOT complaining here, just pointing some things.

What u have done here is AWESOME, to say the least!

I have posted some "respect" words here and there, but none as deserving as this one.

R.E.S.P.E.C.T.!!!!!!!!!

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Daimyo]

Nice plugin. Really. (I also have absolutely no freakin' idea why Max doesn't has a built in hair plugin in the first place)

By the way...I noticed some problems:
It's going out of memory very fast... I have 512 RAM and about 3 giga virtual. Still, when I increased the dense count, I've got a message: out of memory.
I've seen in the tuorials that there are other possibilities to make dense hair, vithout a big dense hair count, but I am still figuring out...

But in the end is very stable, fast, and everything one ever want.
Thank you.

[Marsel Khadiyev]

Thank you guys for all your unconditional support. The strange thing seems to be for people it is either very stable, or unstable (stable being the majority).

Most of the times files sent to me work perfectly on my machine, and I cannot figure out what the errors are. However, it is only a matter of time until all bugs are ironed out.

meanwhile I would really appreciate it if you guys sent me any files that crash on you, so I can hope to reproduce these crashes.

The memory problem has been there from the beginning. It will be fixed eventually (I'l still figuring out the best way around it). The problem is caused by the fact that Ornatrix is converting the dense hair into voxels, and they can take up a lot of space.

Meanwhile you can try substituting the volumetric renderer with an effect, which shouldn't give too much different results (in fact aside from volumetric attenuation and some clipping), effect render should produce almost identical results, without occupying a lot of memory.

Supporting external renderers is on the list of things to do, time solves everything. There is a lot of progress already and I hope to keep it up and try to satisfy all your needs in a hair plugin.

Just like with SceneManager, and SME, it is user-end opinions that count (after all thats who the plugin is targeted at) and I try to stick by that idea.

Keep posting and I'm sure Max can have a superb hair system (or systems, with hairFX coming out) in the end.

Marsel

[Martijn Wijmer]

Marsel, i tested it and i must conclude it's not so stable on my machine. Lots of crashes (for no reason) The "out of memory" problem happens to me all the time, even when i didn't change anything in my settings. I just hit render for the third time, and i get an out of memory. In a few occasions hitting the update button helped, but most of the time it didn't. When i do hit the update button however, all my work in the hair brush section gets deleted. Is there a way to save an initial state or something? That would be really helpfull. And i can't seem to in- or decrease the amount of strands in my viewport for some reason (Probably some option i overlooked?) Don't get me wrong though, this sounds a bit negative, but when it works, it's just a killer app and the renders just look very promising. I just thought you would appreciate the feedback, so here is my 2 cents.

Edit: just found out what you meant by using the effect renderer, that seems to help (Also seems to be much faster)

[Marsel Khadiyev]

Martijn, I've updated the FAQ a little. Perhaps you'll find something in there that helps.

http://www.ibmr.net/Ornatrix/forum/

Marsel

[TIMTHESORCERER]

stable as anything else for me, memory is fine too, (ha ha).

[Martijn Wijmer]

Thanks for the FAQ update, Marsel. The problem was that i used the environment render. Environment render bad, effect render good!!! One more question though, when i use a standard primitive, and add ornatrix it works just fine. However, when i do my own poymodeling (f.i. a plane, turn to Epoly, extrude the edges, CS make poly, add a tesselate, etc) it crashes as soon as i pick it as a ditribution object, click on uniform hair generation and click on update. I can send you a file when this occurs if you want.

[Marsel Khadiyev]

Martijn, if you're a Max 5 user (especially), never forget to add UVW coords (spherical) to your mesh before updating with Ornatrix. So far lack of proper UV's has been the only cause for all update-related crashes.

Marsel

[Martijn Wijmer]

Alright then!!! That's it! It's running very smoothly now. No problems what so ever. Thanks for your help. :thumbsup:(Next time i'm bugging you just reply with RTFM)

[Nima-3dman]

Hi friends, I have written some huge and important suggestions, I think it is worth to read: (what do you think?)

http://www.ibmr.net/Ornatrix/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151

[toonman]

Marsel... I can only repeat myself... you're DA man. Thanks for this great tool. Keep up the awesome work. Take care!

[Crashoran]

This thing is horrible. Everytime I try to render a scene it makes an error and fails to recover the file and exits.

[neversong]

Crashoran: hehe, this pluggin is still under development, and that's why you'll meet a lot of problem like that if you know little about it. so, if you at least want to be constructive here, you can try to bugreport. ;)

-song

[PEN]

This thing is horrible. Everytime I try to render a scene it makes an error and fails to recover the file and exits.
I'm going to assume that you don't program yourself at all. Beta software has bugs, this is the nature of how things work. As Song said, try to be constructive and report bugs with understandable steps. Telling Marcel that his hard and FREE work is horrible doesn't help and certainly doesn't give you any creadibility at all.

[Marsel Khadiyev]

Crashoran, thanks for posting :) I realize the software is buggy, but if you read in the release notes its not aimed to be stable. In fact the whole purpose of the release is to test out how well certain algorithms work.

I am learning alot about the nature of current bugs and will do my best to iron them out. I have also noticed that if Ox is used properly, it can be very stable. We just don't have the help files to instruct the proper usage (yet).

Marsel

[Stri]

Marsel is right. I've been playing with ornatrix for a while now and I've realized that if I try to do something out of the ordinary workflow, I get errors. But if I use it properly, ornatrix works very smoothly.

Here are some images I've made with the help of ornatrix:

http://frodo.hiof.no/~deetee/ornatrix/store/Chrysley_h3a.jpghttp://frodo.hiof.no/~deetee/ornatrix/store/Chrysley_h3b.jpg

http://frodo.hiof.no/~deetee/ornatrix/store/Chrysley_h3c.jpghttp://frodo.hiof.no/~deetee/ornatrix/store/Chrysley_h3d.jpg

http://frodo.hiof.no/~deetee/ornatrix/store/Chrysley_h3e.jpg

[ivo D]

yea, i couldnt make a damn think yet.. it just crashes on me everytime i want to render some hair strands:S

[kachoudas]

Marsel, I just HATE you !

As if I didn't had enough work to do, now I HAVE to play with this fantastic tool of you.

And more : As if it wasn't enough to try to be a comedian/photograph/designer/set builder/anatomist / painter.... etc. etc. now, we also have to become hair stylists... :rolleyes:

great work !

Jerome

[micco]

Ah, fantastic work!!! :eek: :thumbsup: :buttrock: :applause:

Now, if it only could work with mental ray. :bounce: :)

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