Beast of Burden - Character & Contraption - Apt Pupil

[ZrO-1]

Now THAT is how a pro makes concept sketches.

Very nice job with the outlines Apt P. I also like 5 and 7, but I also really dig 2 and 4. That sounds like an awesome concept of haveing the pheonix pulling a ship. The ship design IMO is reminding me of that air-ship from Final Fantasy (I think it was 9?) just a little.

This really looks interesting already. It loks like Diseney quality concept stuff. Great work so far! :thumbsup:

[tubby]

hey i was just checkin out what you were doin for the challenge. wow, thats a really great concept drawing, your talented with the pencil. i like the idea, its really original.hope to see your progress soon!

[Apt Pupil]

July 20 Well, I finally finished working on my site (which is still not up) so now I have alot of time to devote to this cOoL contest. I started sketching some more and it is still in its rough stages, but gosh, this is going to be fun. . . crazy, but fun:p

Started on the back church and the hanging tower. It's not really as complicated as it looks because most of the things on the church can be duplicated many, many times. However, I am going to need ALOT of bump maps:p

I'll post more soon . . .

[Fedron]

:eek: O my !!!! Apt!!! This is pure architecture!!! Very very nice!!

Is your ship going to be like a flying cathedral? So maybe the owners are kind of misionary men? This is really very cool. I see you did your home work about renaissance style.

Even if you say this gonna have a lot of duplication all this details scare me. I mean so little time and so much to do. Well the truth is that i'm not the one to talk about this, i have to do a tree palace myself :drool:.

Whatever, this is going to be cool, i'm sure to see some regular awesome posting.
So keep going, :thumbsup: .

[OrestesMantra]

If your 3d is half has good has your 2d everyone is in for a challenge:eek:

[ZrO-1]

Wow apt_P, annother fantastic drawing. :eek:
The church front and tower detail look incredable. I wouldn't be supprised if I found this drawing in one of DaVinci's sketch books. I think its that good.

I'm almost scared to see this in 3D because if it's 1/4 as beutiful as your drawings it's going to blow my work out of the water.

Great great drawings. :thumbsup:

[Apt Pupil]

July 21 Damm it, I was suppose to have finished the boat by today. . . my brain is hurting . . . Zzzzzzzz

Oh well, I have to go out today and I won't be back until tomorow, So I'll finish up the figurehead, boat's name, and bird on monday.

And then Tuesday, Let the FUN begin!! (it's more like suicide, but hey . . . )


http://www.magicswithin.com/extras/BiggyBoat.jpg



ZrO-1 -->Thanks for the encouragement. I'll try my best. However, at this point, I am just as scared as you are . . .

OrestesMantra --> Thanks. That challenge includes me though *sob*

Fedron --> I'm scared too, but that's not going to stop me from pushing on ahead with my battle plan. With every sketch, I invision how I am going to proceed with the model, and my hands are just . . . itching to start. Otherwise, yours is gonna be just as complicated as mine:p If only that other contest did not hold us up *sob* Well, I am sure we will have something .. .

Well, I am off to bed . . . Zzzzzzzz

[Roman]

Damn, those are some amazing drawings!!!!!!!! wow.. Remembers me of the airship in Final Fantasy 9..

[Apt Pupil]

July 21 Thanks Roman. Ya, I guess mine is kind of similar to FF9 at the moment . . . but only at the moment, the model is going to take on a severe change next week once I finish blocking in all the proportions. I have one trick up my sleeve that I am not going to say anything about because I don't know if I will have enough time to empliment it. But we'll see. ..



Here is a small update. I know, I am suppose to be sketching, but I couldn't help myself. I will reshow this image with the bump maps tomorow, I have to get back to sketching now *sigh*:wip: :wip: :wip:

[Koma]

those sketch are amazing man ,wow ,no critic ,but remember that the time is your enemy ...j'ai vraiment hate de voir tout ca en 3d wow ca va etre fabuleux ,aller lache pas .

[ZrO-1]

Oh my friggin god.......:surprised
That last drawing is really beyond my comprehension. How the hell do you keep the perspective of each piece so perfect?

Just the clarity and care in those drawings alone shows that you are an amazing artist. The only thing that could keep you from dominating this challenge is if you are weak with your 3D app's tool set. If not, I'll be happy with second place ;) :D

[Apt Pupil]

July 22 Well, another update:

I have sketched the bird and now thorowly know how to model her (except for the iffy harness with the banners, I might have to change that:p) At least we still have two weeks. That should be enought to get something done.

I will have to revise my pics slightly for the 2d challenge, but that's another story.

ZrO-1 --> Thanks ^_^ This sketch is one of my best. Since this is my sixth contest, I decided to take her to the max. As to how I keep my perspective so clean, I have a nack for things linear. But I did have to modify the perspective boat in photoshop (distort things into place) and I also had to redraw those darn boats twice because my prilimenaries were such a big mess. Anyways, thanks for your continual support, I really appriciate it. Otherwise, your cowboy is coming along nicely too. it's been awhile since I saw your scene though, I can't wait to see the cowboy and beast together. Looking forward to it.

Gabe --> J'espere que j'aurais le temp de fini. En tout cas, je crois que ca vas etre ok. In two weeks, I'll have something:cool: hey, otherwise, I see that your beast/rhino is coming along very nicely. I can't wait to see him harnessed and added to your fantastic scene with the van. Keep it up!!

[erilaz]

Holy Jeebus! That's amazing!! Are you entering the 2d challenge as well?

No really, I am amazed. I'll be telling my freinds to come and look at this post-haste!

Get moving! I want more work now! :wip: :D

[three]

Haha :) Yeah man, I'm kind of surprised that i'm not dead drunk either... don't have much booze here anyway. It's a bitch.

About graphic cards, I've got one GeForce 2 GTS now, and I'm getting problems with it :( haven't got enough power to pull 3dsmax4 around. I will be getting myself a GeForce 4 TI4600, hopefully any day now... my goal is ofcourse the Quadro4 card from nVIDIA :D
Still, I will need a bit more powerful computer to take advantage of the power in it.

By the way... your drawings really ROCK! :)
I want to be a bit more innovative with my crits, but... I can't :D
You're damn skillful. Take care of that.

:airguitar

[Apt Pupil]

Hey Three. Personally, I got a geforce ti-3 at the moment and it only slows down horribly when you hit the million polygons mark (forget about seeing your mesh with four views). I am using a dual athlon so my computer eats through the mundane. But don't you hate being an artist, the hardware franchise makes sooooo much money off us artists *sob* I have to update almost every year. I can only wonder in awe to how much power your gonna get from you new card, I'm jealous:drool:


But thanks for the compliments Three and Erilaz. I have one more sketch to finish(the figure head), and then finally, after four days of planning, I can finally commence. I'm all excited,

:bounce: :bounce:

[erilaz]

That quick unwrap tut you did in Three's thread will be really useful! Thanks!:D

[three]

HAHA! Nice to see that someone benefits from my thread :rolleyes:

Hey... I actually partly fixed my graphics card now. I turned off my computer and poked a pen right into the fan... now everything is dandy :D [waiting for computer to collapse]... ah well, it seems that my computer actually is able to control all these polys now. Only a bit slow when I'm working with edges with end result on with a meshsmooth on top with iterations 2. :D this is actually a bit cool.

Yeah, graphic cards should be a whole lot cheeper for us poor people working with 3d... I mean, all the money goes for a really good 3dpackage... nothing more to spend on a monster PC :/

Man, it's getting a bit pressed on time now... hope that you're quick with your 3dsmax pack :D I know that I probably wouldn't be able to pull it off in such short time... I'm really crossing my fingers for you.

Cheers.
:beer:

[Steve Warner]

Hi Apt Pupil,

Just had to drop you a quick note to say :eek: and :surprised and :thumbsup:

Your personal site has got lots of cool stuff on it as well. Thanks for the link on that. Just like everyone else, I'm amazed with your sketches. The amount of detail is phenomenal! I'll be anxious to see what comes of this!

Take care!

Steve

[Apt Pupil]

Finally finished sketching, so this is the last you will see of these sketches here (I am going to finalyze them for my 2d entry, and this is thanks to ZrO-1 who gave me the idea of trying to make my sketches look like DaVinci's. Why not:shrug: it's worth a shot:p)


So Now it's time to SACRIFICE MY BODY let the modelling BEGIN!!!!!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Three --> You got one magical Pen there, I wish I had one of those LOL.

Steve Warner --> Hey there Seve, thanks, it means alot.

Thanks for your continual support, I won't dissapoint (well. . . we will see^_^)

[Apt Pupil]

Oh ya, as for the women figure, I got my inspiration from a famous Baroque sculpture "Assomption de la Vierge." And as for the man, I just made him up:shrug:

My ship's name is .. . . "The Ascendant"

[three]

The pen have allways been mightier than the sword.

It's really strange... now the computer is slow when I start modeling... you know... a box is all it takes and then the computer REALLY slows down, and as soon as i make a couple of extrusions and add a meshsmoother it works like a clock... yesterday was a weird day. Time for me to go to bed... it's 0730 here. <yawn>

take care... i'm looking forward to those "leonardo" models.

:wavey:

[erilaz]

Even better!
After all this tense sketchy excitement, your model had better be damn good or POW! :wip:

Just kidding. Your sketches alone are worth their weight in gold.
Which brings me to another question: How much does a pixel weigh?

:D

[Apt Pupil]

A small update:wip: :wip: :wip: :wip:

I did a lousy job of blocking stuff in otherwise, I am almost fininshed the whole back section. Today, I will start working on the main tower.

I am still on schedule . . . barely :surprised

[erilaz]

I've been perched over the forum, waiting for you to post so I could strike with vicious commentry! :D

And I'm not dissapointed! Amazing! Although I'm a little concerned you're putting in so much detail at such an early stage. I'm not complaining though.

Exceptional. I love it.

:bounce:

[Apt Pupil]

One of the benifits of a having a thorough plan is, you don't have to beat around the bush slowly building things up and figuring things out. I can immidiatly jump into the details:p

[Drongo Stabbins]

I had figured out something to say......but......
thats it!
:thumbsup:

great stuff so far!

[ZrO-1]

LMAO!!! That is friggin awesome. Are you modeling all of that scroll-work into the panels? Or is that a bump-map? It looks modeled to me, but I can't be certian.

Either way Apt, that is kicking major a$$!
So far so phenominal! Great stuff :thumbsup:

[Fedron]

WOW Apt!!!! You're the most constant WOW guy that i know!!!
Please delect us with some detail render!!!

I love the thin weist you did to the ship, it give to it some legerté against the bulkys front and back parts. Good job!!

But now that i see the sail, i'm not very convinced with it.
Otherwise.
Keep :wip: :wip: :wip:

and :thumbsup:

[tubby]

im just sitting in class browsing the latest updates of work and i seen yours and had to write. your modelling is really comming along amazingly!!keep it up, i really think your project is a strong piece!:)

[Merlin]

That is astounding man, really impressive, not only are your designs and drawings incredibly detailed and precise, at this point it looks as if your models will be as well. not sure if anyone's asked, but what software are you using? And out of curiosity, what's your modeling technique. If you modeled all of that out of a box... well, I am seriously impressed, otherwise I'm just very impressed. :buttrock:

Merlin

[Mattman]

amazing concept work, and exceptional execution. i love your style, and the amount of detail is stunning! i'm excited to see the finished piece.

[Apt Pupil]

Hey, thanks guys, I just woke up. My days start at 2 p.m and end at 9 in the morning :p

But I put together just a little pic showing you so far, how I created this. For the most part, I box model everything. Maybe 2 % of the time, I use splines (like for the A insignia). I use 3ds max r4 with no additional plugins except for the brazil rendering system. As for bump maps, I used a little this time around. If you look carefully (sorry about the quick render and small size) you will see a small variant between the initial straight version with no bump maps and then the folded one with the bump maps turned on.

But I really appriciate the continual support. "I won't dissapoint" (< --- Note, I usually say this to add a ton of pressure to myself. I use any source of inspirtation to kick my ass in gear:p It's the best way to push yourself heeheheheh *sob*)

I will have another update tomorrow morning if not sooner, thanks again :) :)

[JJ3d]

WOW!! no words ! :bowdown:

[erilaz]

The detail is amazing, especially for minimal bump mapping.
I've always been a bit critical of max's lofting, but maybe I should give it a second look if this is the sort of result that can turn out from it!

You're still stunning me. I hope you realise you've picked up a fan! :D

[Apt Pupil]

I lost my wednesday to something important, hence I am trying to recover and get back on schedule, but . . . I am not sure this is going to be possible. We shall see.

Anyways, here is just a small (and extremely quick) render of what I have so far. I actually had to rig a character for the pillars. I am more or less finished the bottom of the chuch, now I have to finish the top and back for the end of today (my days end at 9 in the morning saturday :p)

Well, until then,
and thanks for the compliments.


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[zeb]

arghhh i love your architecture sketches ...

I hope you could finished this master piece.

Is it possible for u to post renders with antialias? ;) i'm sure your render times are heavy but i'm sure to find more details with

Great great!
keep it up

[Apt Pupil]

Ok, just one more. A better close up :p

[tubby]

jeez, do you ever have time sleep!, that is some really detailed work your doin. i really like what youve done and i love these updates!

[dmcgrath]

This is my first exposure to your work and all I have to say for the moment is WOW like everybody else. Great drawings and great 3D work as well so far.

Hopefully some 3D artists out there, that can't draw, will get inspired by your talents and decide to set the mouse aside once in a while, and pick up a pencil. Hope to see more.:bounce:

[Crash]

Holy sh... How's that possible you get so much details, are all the architecture yours? The statues? That's fantastic, how do you mange o get all of that so perfect? No crits at all, simple a work of a true artist. :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Joebount]

Respect :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Mattman]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

very nice decorative work. are you planning on doing the phoenix also? time's a-tickin'! if you are, i can't wait to see what THAT looks like!

[Apt Pupil]

Another Update,

I should be working on the church, but I branched off and started working on the middle section instead:p I will get medieval on the church as soon as I finish the mid stuff (I am going to put cannons in heheeheh). Until then . . . (note, I notice that I have a few proportional issues, i.e the turbine engine casket is so thick, it's dwarfing everything else. But I will fix this towards the end when the final corrections commence)



Mattman --> Pheonix? oh boy, I will try. The part that has me worried is the figure head on the boat. When I hit that, work will come to a stand still. But, we will see. Thanks.

Joebount --> :cool: Thanks.

Crash --> the trueth is, although you see alot of details, the statues and stuff are not entirelly anatomically correct. That would be like painting a tea cup in the window of a 20 story building pictured from 2 blocks away. I create just enough details to pass it off as believable, but dont expect any "extreme" closeups:p As for the architecture, well, I use reference for that. I look at famous buildings and create something of my own through that. That is how we learn, and artists 'do' need to expand on there base knowledge so we can become even more creative in our approaches. But yup, if your asking if I modelled everything, yup. And so far, it took 3 days :(

Dmcgrath --> Thanks, it means alot. I'll keep pushing.

Tubby --> thanks buddy, hey, I have seen an update from you recently, I am anxious to see your bird rigged and up and running. You too, keep up the good work!!

[dagooh]

you rule dude, can't wait to see more
:buttrock:

[Steve Warner]

I'll be honest. When I saw your sketch, I was blown away, but I never thought you'd be able to model it. Way too much detail. I stand corrected! :bowdown: This is one of those amazing models that, if I didn't see it appearing before my eyes, would swear was done in miniature, not CG. Amazing work, Apt Pupil! Can't wait to see more!

Steve

[Apt Pupil]

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[Nikodemus]

hi, thats really amazing apt pupil.. *how do you do that*? im fairly new to 3d... do you actually connect all those pillars and stuff to the arm rails and stuff*with vetex welding?* :shrug: or are they separate pieces? would love to see a tutorial sometime .. keep going cant wait to see more! :thumbsup:

[Apt Pupil]

Hey there Nikodemus,

I don't recommend welding all the vertex's if you were to create something like mine :p Because then you would have to create everything manually instead of mass duplicating everything with the instance feature (copy, or mirror, and check instance). If you do it this way, then when ever you have to change all the pillars, you just have to modify one, and presto, they all mold the same way. So to answer your question, it's all bit's and pieces:)

And I am not sure but I will mention two other tidbit I just freaking found out myself:)

1: When you have an item or object at an angle, don't try to modify it (moves vertexs and such) at that angle. Create a copy that is "intanced," align that copy properly, and then modify it and see the changes happen to your original item. (*sob* this would have saved me quite some time if I knew about this before I started)

2: The difference between an "edit poly" and an "edit mesh" is that if you plan to slice and dice your model, for the love of McDonalds, use the "edit poly." All the cuts and slices will not generate 'random' vertexs everywhere (70% of the time) like the "edit mesh does." (another feature I just found out *sob*)

There, now with this, you are ready to take on the world heheheheh. I hope this helped, and perhaps, I will see some work from you in the near future. Good Luck :thumbsup: and thanks for the compliments.

[InnerVortex]

wow im amazed thats beautiful.. cant.. say more.. just .. waiting for upgreats, great work

[Nikodemus]

thanks for the tips Apt Pupil.. i will try to keep those in mind as i make progress on my BoB .... i tend to think too far ahead it seems which slows me up.. but i think thats because i havent done 3d very long and dont know the procedure/tools very well .:p

[Apt Pupil]

Sweet McDonalds, it should be you who is giving me advice!! *slaps you on the back of the head* Your entry is coming along sweetly!! Geeze, cOoL looking character you got there. I can't wait to see him finished. And you went to siggraph too :cry: you lucky lucky person . ..


As for mine, Modeling a church was not one of my brightest ideas, oh boy. .. .


Steve Warner --> hehehehe, I have the feeling you are not the only one who thought me quite mad :)

[erilaz]

Sweet. I'd critique and tell you to smooth some edges, but I'm sure you're on top of that!

Keep it coming Apt Pupil. I want a wallpaper from you at the end of this challenge! :D

[Maxko]

Oh... modelling is EXCELLENT... :eek:
Great modelling...
continue... continue... continue...

[Apt Pupil]

Well, I should post my recent version without the hidden items, but, that would take time away from my work :blush: So here is a test render I did yesterday. Once again, it's at crap dpi, but .. .like I said, no time *sob*

Otherwise, things are coming along smoothly. However, this is certainly one of my toughest contests. My ass hasn't left the chair unless for sleep or for a run to the kitchen to grab some easy food.

I am determined to finish this darn thing grrrrrrrrrrr:mad: :mad:

Thanks guys for the encouragement.

[swag]

what´s going on here - that was crasy - all that detail - go for it - i hope u finished it :bounce:

[Crode]

Yes that is some sweet architecture modeling. Ive found that when I like what Im working on, ill stay up all night working on it. And that time sure goes fast. Sounds like your feeling the same way ;) Im sure you will finish with that kind of pace, keep going at it

[ZrO-1]

Holy Wendys mother of McDonalds!! (hehehe trying to use the fast food explatives as well as you Apt ;) ) This piece is already rediculously awesome, I really want to see it completed.

I've already said how awesome I thing the design is and all of the 3D is looking at LEAST as great as the designs. Really fantastic work so far.

[Apt Pupil]

Thanks guys. I swear, I will post better resolution pictures tomorrow :blush:


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[AJ]

Holy Bargain Buckets!

That's a Kentucky load of finger licking detail in there... :eek:

It makes my processor weep in fear just looking at it!

I'll definitely take some fries with this :D

[tubby]

that is lookin really really good. you work amazingly fast and it all comes out so beautiful. nice progress:) :)

[Koma]

incredible , you have to finish it ,go vas-y té capable ,stop sleeping and work all night long go apt go

[MikaelPersson]

Looks really great. I wish we could see more of the detail. It´s hard to say anything else this far away.
Maybe turn off that brazil rendering, I´ve never used MAX but I presume it is as time consuming as all GI renders.

[Apt Pupil]

Ok, well, the church is 98% done. Just have to make the connection piece that holds all the ropes on top and then I have to work on it's surrounding floor area. As for that last two renders I showed you, the mistakes you saw there are corrected (the hole in the back of the top mantle piece[in the back view] and the railing that did not quite reach all the way to the bridge)
Oh, and I changed just a few things. I put the towers at a slant (they seemed awkward just hanging straight out) and I made the main window larger then the side windows. As for the details, I simplyfied them just a tad from my original sketch.

Well, I know one thing, the Ascendant will be finished on time. And as for the pheonix, well, we shall see. ..

Mikael P. --> YOu want me to turn off the rendering . . . hmmmm, this is probably going to be the look I will go for for my final renderings. Butl, I guess I could render one without any effects, I'll have one ready for tomorow:)

Gabe --> I am trying to stop sleeping, but my eyes won't co-operate *dammit* :)

ZrO-1 --> Hey, McDonalds is my trade mark, heheheheh.

Well, this is my last picture post for today, I will show you if you want, lots more tomorow, and yes, this time . . . close ups. If you want to see anything specifically though, don't hesitate to ask :)

[erilaz]

Still nothing to crit, just letting you know I'm still watching your thread like a kid waiting for the pop-tart to come out of the toaster!

Just awesome. :D

The last couple of renders have been a little washed out in terms of lighting... what're you trying to hide? :p

[Apt Pupil]

Ok, ok, ok *darn it* I edited my previous post and changed the picture. This one is as crisp as it gets hehehehehh:) :) :)


Tell me what think of this new style though? is it uhhmmm, better?
:shrug:

[Fedron]

Oh my Apt, you 're surpasing yourself!!! This is a real oeuvre d'art!!! AWESOME :thumbsup: . I imagin whith this details the front scupture of the wingued maiden and it'll be like visiting a museum or a real cathedral!!

[erilaz]

Detail is a bit easier to see now Apt Pupil, very nice indeed!:D

[Hexodam]

silly me, the first time I saw this thread the only thing that was done were the concepts and I just thought "oh a realy nice looking concept for the 2d challange" asuming right away you were just going to add color to the concept image.

But you did me wrong! :P
This is what I call overdoing the detail in every way :argh:
My favorite work in this challange without a doubt :thumbsup:

[neilyb]

Looks to me like you goto one big scanner and had a a few days in Venice.......SWWEEEEEEEET modelling! Only crit.....WHERES THE PHEONIX?????

[MikaelPersson]

:) No I do not want you to turn off your rendering. I just thought it might be an idea, as your previous pictures has been in such low resolution. And you were complaining on the time it took.
This latest one though, looks really nice. Looking forward to the detail shoots.

The only suggestion that struck me when I studied your picture. Was to maybe add some gargoyles or other type of structure at the corners of the building. To collect the water flowing down. A normal drainpipe. But as it is a ship it might look strange.

[iC4]

asdfasfaslasdf aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, how did I miss this thread, FANTASTIC WORK! the best I have seen so far in this challenge :drool:

5 stars and my vote :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Lorenzo]

so many details, same the barroco art
great great great, many hours for making this (I feel)
I want more :wip:
hahaha
:applause:

[hiko_]

It roxxxxxxxxe caribou's !
Crazy details !

hop 5 star :applause:

[Maxko]

Glg... :applause:

i heaven't words....

[piotrek]

will you married me ?
:drool: :airguitar :buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:
five stars is not enought for this work ... greeeat !!!

[Apt Pupil]

Hey, wow, thanks guys for the encouragement. I will respond to your comments shortly. I know I promised to show "better renderings" but. . . forget about it :) But I will show you some more shots.

I corrected a few issues since yesterday (missing holy sign on left window, railings were to low, top three church inclaves were to far back, etc.) I also added a bird on top of the church, and worked on the ships mid pole thingy. Today, I am going to start working on the front of the ship and I am going to save the middle part of the ship for last (adding cannons and engravings etc.)

I also left my house today to retrieve some feathers for preperation for the pheonix. Gosh, I hope I have the time.

So here is a full picture(the first of "five" tonight) of where I am so far.

[Apt Pupil]

Shot number two:

[MikaelPersson]

You give us these teeny weeny renders. How are we supposed to be able to admire the work you´ve put into it? The minimum size you should be posting now on is 1280x1024.
You have a whole four days left, so you might be able to finish it with a tad less sleep than usual. Good Luck. (aint they beautiful those deadlines).

(Fredrik Hultqvist, that sounds swedish)

[Apt Pupil]

Shot 3 of 5. A bigger one and at slightly better resolution (Micheal P. :p)

Micheal P. Deadlines, no problem. Since I only started modeling last Tuesday, there is no doubt in my mind that I will finish :p (except for the pheonix) But yup, my name is Swedish, unfortuantly, I never learned the language :blush:

To those who are new here, uhhm, I just started modeling last tuesday, if you would like to know where this project is headed though, look at the biginning of this thread and you will know :)

[Apt Pupil]

Shot 4 of 5.

The problem is, there is a 50 k limit. When I post larger pictures, I have to comprimise on the quality yet again. I won't link it from my hosts site because that is unstable, hence, I am probably going to have to hand in a 640 x 480 image for my final :sad:

oh well :sad:

[Koma]

pour ton final envoi moi ton image je la mets sur mon site et je te donne l lien comme ca tu pourar avoir une bonne qualitée ,

ton travail est tout simplement fantastique ,vraiment cool je suis bouche b ..:buttrock:

[Apt Pupil]

Gabe Vrainment!! :) tu kid pas, Merci, merci beaucoup. Je vais te le donne mon final probablement cette samedi ou dimanche. Mais, est-ce que ces safe? Je croiyais que mon service etes bonne (pour 200 dollars par annes :cry: ), mes mille million de s'abord, il mache seulment cinquent percent de la fois :sad: Tu nas jamais eu des probleme?


Shot 5 out of 5.

[Crode]

I love your stuff. Do you do structural modeling for a living? One thing: Your renders are over saturated and are no doubt killing lots of the detail that you have put in.

[Koma]

oui c est safe ,pas de probleme,200 dollard pis ca marche pas tout l temps tu devrait chialer ou changer de host ,moi dfois ya des probleme mais rarement .

ta derniere image est superbe !!!:bounce:

[Apt Pupil]

Gabe --> Ok, je vais te le donne. Merci :):) Pour mons host, j'ai achete un plan qui donné moi 'unlimited bandwidth,' mes maitenant, je croies que je sais ou est le comprimise :cry: . . .

Crode --> To answer your question in the shortest way possible, nope. I have yet to 'look' for a job in the art industry. Maybe after this contest . . who knows. . . hehehehe *sob* But it would be nice being paid for my work for once :p
As for my renders, I have been sketching and modelling things for so long (5 month), my color sense went out the window *argh* I will try something new tomorow. Thanks for the criticism though, I'll see what I can do.

Piotrek --> I am flatered heheheh, but . . . nope:)

Hexodam --> Thanks for the compliments *smiles*

neilyb --> patience young man, patience . . .

iC4- --> Thanks for the encouragement. I hope you still like it when I finish it.

Lorenzo --> Yes, many hours. . . I lost count. Since last tuesday, my life became a blur . . . heheheh

Hiko and Maxko Thanks, I really appriciate it.

Well, I will have some new updates tomorow, for now, I begin on the front of the boat *excited*

Later then . . .

[Nikodemus]

:wip: go go go ! :applause:

[MikaelPersson]

Last tuesday, eh? Then you wont have any problems. Your speed is quite amazing, that is something you should stress when applying for jobs.
I agree with Crode, you should do something about the washed out look. Detail is getting lost, but it´s a nice look despite that.

[angel2k]

:bounce: :bounce: Y'a pas à dire tu démontes !! 5 étoiles !

[DiGiTal]

OMG you are crazy man ! :applause: :drool:

[Hexodam]

Apt Pupil,
I could host a hi res rendering if you like, just send me an email at czar@centrum.is and I'll post it here :)

[Apt Pupil]

:argh: :argh: This life modeling is ToUgH!!! Sorry for the lack of updates, but I am having some problems here. But, I finally figured out how to moderately portray folds and hair in at least a half decent way . . . I never modeled a real life character before. The good part is, I guess modeling the man will go faster now that I understand what . . . NOT to do:p

She's already rigged but she will change colors and I will add additional bump maps to help accentuate her folds.


Thanks guys for the continual support, I really appreciate it. I still got what, three days left, well. . . some of my best work is done in the last minute hehehehe


Hexodam --> Hey, thanks for the generous offer, but I don't know if I will have the time to render any hi-res renderings for show except for my final. But I really appreciate the offer, Thanks.

[Flypaper]

Truly inspirational. You work for an architectural firm or something?!!

[Apt Pupil]

Well, now that I got the basic things into place, I can commence on finalizing things. (Don't mind the crappy 30 minutes setup for the figures rigs. I just rigged them so that I can see what the best position would be before I finalize them . . . and I might change their position too:p)

:wip: :wip: :wip: :wip:

[tubby]

Apt Pupil your piece is lookin great!! keep it up, im dying to see this one finished!:drool:

[mv]

That's fabulous ! love the architectural details and all.. tu dois passer beaucoups de temps là dessus..

[Maxko]

:love: your thread :love:

I... I... i heaven't any words.

[MikaelPersson]

Interesting. But aren´t those wings on the wrong side of the keel? Would it not look better if they were sitting on her back? Probably a matter of taste, but it looks a bit wierd.

Have you thought of how you are going to weigh the front of the picture with the same amount of detail as you are going to have in the back? Because I assume you are going to portray your scene from this angle?
A slight bump to show the planks on the boat too?

Good Work!

[Apt Pupil]

Mikael P. Patience, you'll see:) I am aware of just how bad it looks right now, I was hesitant to post it at such an early stage. But, I just thought I'd show you where I am now. (But right now as it stands, yes, wings are running through the keel, dress is not connected to her body, man is missing wings, there is a missing man on the other side of the ship etc. .. lots to do :argh: )


As for everyone else, :beer: Thanks:)

[MikaelPersson]

haha, sorry to be so harsh on you then. I will patiently wait and see. :)

[Apt Pupil]

Heheheh, I know . . . my working methods seem to suggest a horrible final piece hehehe (those crappy quick renderings I showed early probably has everyone nervous:) )

But everything should be fine :)

[NowhereMan]

My very favorite piece of this contest so far!!!! Dying to see it done too...

Come on Apt, speed up things...you are being the great revelation of the contest...i hope to see the fenix soon!!!!!!


Congrats, and ....... :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

:thumbsup:

[erilaz]

Tee hee hee! I showed your whole thread to my work-people. You should have seen them! Everyone was huddled round the computer going "OOOOOOH!...... AHHHHHHH!" and some other words I won't post for their blasphemous nature (which were spoken with awe, not in criticism!). You've impressed them all!

And who could blame them?:D

I still worry that you're not going to finish this in time!
So C'mon man! Post more!!! More I tells ya! :surprised

Fantastic work. Can't get enough. :bounce:

[Apt Pupil]

Thanks guys, this contest was certainly one of my favourite contests I entered in these last few month. It's been a pleasure.

In two hours, I will be finished with the boat entirely and all that will remain to be finished will be the figure head.

*sob* that pheonix is looking so unlikely :cry: :cry: But . . . I'll certainly try . . . what ever the cost . . .

Anyways, here's another "test" render I did just to see if things were looking ok.

[erilaz]

Gasp!:eek:
Beautiful.

And for once, I have a small crit to give! So rare for this great model.

The arms of the man on the front of the boat. What's going on there? It doesn't look right. Might be the angle, but they don't seem as well formed as the womans arms. Sort of like plasticine.

Still, great work. All the pieces are coming together.:D

[Apt Pupil]

Oops, I uploaded the wrong image for a second there. If you see the women again, refresh the page heheheh

Erilaz --> youuuu, made my day. I am now modeling with a smile :) As for the comment, yup, your right, I did a horribly quick job on their rigging. Now that they are in position somewhat, I am going to seriously refine them. But crits are alway appriciated, keep em coming :)

NoWhereMan --> Aaacckkk, I am giving it all I got captain hehehe. I'll see what I can do:)

[Manicalavera15]

...............................what can i say? nothon
have i some crit? nothing

are you god modeler? YES:thumbsup:

You're alpha and omega graphist man...
love concept & everys littles details (too too much work !! it makes me crazyyy:eek: )

[Apt Pupil]

Ok, I just had to try a high resolution one:p I am not to sure about the colors though, I was just a test. Otherwise, I finished the boat, but now I am stuck once again on the figure head . ..

http://www.magicswithin.com/extras/boatbiggy.jpg

Manicalavera15 --> Hey . . . thanks.

Flypaper --> "Do I work for an architectural firm or something?!!" uhhmm, nope :cry: I have yet to get a job in the art industry (and hopefully it will be a game company:) ) I just enter these contests to work on my portfolio for when I finally get off my butt and start looking for work:p

Well, the deadline is almost up . . . darn it.

[NowhereMan]

WOW you oipwegfpadukgcjblwakjdshf98pewoud!!!!:buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:

I got curious to know wheres bump and wheres modeling...are the wood plancks in the laterals bump??

keep it up, ull sure do it in time :thumbsup:

[Pancreas]

Wow, it´s amazing! The design reminds me theones of FF (i don´t remember the number, perhaps VII), it looks perfect!
The final render should be HUGE to show all the little details.

As an architecture student, your baroque ornaments captivate me.:drool:

[tubby]

yah! Apt Pupil, you got some serious talent, this is a really solid piece of work, gosh, damn impressive.:drool:

[Artifex]

Wow Apt, thats a nice boat. I'm really looking forward to see the details on the rest of it.

[Koma]

damn damn ,this is awesome , your really talent et aussi patient ,all those little detail ,pis ta fait vite aussi .

excellent ,and i love the color ,finalement ca marche sur ton serveur ?

[Apt Pupil]

Gabe Merci:) mes, Mon serveur cause toujours des problemes. Quande j'assai de voir le grand jpg, il load pas :cry: Sa marche juste 25% de la fois maintenons. Can I still email you my final image for you to post here?

Artifex hey, thanks. I finished everything, so now I am just gonna do some final renders and make a final compostion . . . soon.

Tubby Thanks man, I really appriciate it. This was certainly a fun contest.

Pancreas yup, I got this big huge book beside me of the beroque period. It prooved, very, very usefull. Unfortuanatly, I was encapable of matching their folds in clothing on my angel and man *cry* didn't have enough time . . .

NowhereMan Thanks for the compliments. Bumps . . . hmmm, the tower roofs, the towers inner circles, the wood planks, the fin's pattern, the top sail, the pillars indents and the inner section of the middle boat [just on top of the cannon holes I didn't have time to work on thoroughly] all have bump maps. Everything else, modeled:)

Here is just one last shot of my the main picture that is going to the biggest part of my final composition:) I hope you guys like the color (note, it's another crappy render at the moment, it was just a test)

[Maxko]

:arteest: best

[ZrO-1]

Apt pupil, you need to change your name to Apt Master Artiste Extrodinaire. ;)
This is a really fantastic looking piece. Without a doubt it has the most intracit modeling of all the challenge entries.
I hope you can get something done for the Pheonix, but even if you don't the piece is still top-notch.
Great work man. :applause: :applause:

[Koma]

hey apt ya pas de probleme gab.t.b@sympatico.ca

[Apt Pupil]

No time to talk now, I can't believe I am going to do this, but I am going to try and create the pheonix

But thanks for the comments:)

Gabe --> Thanks man, I really appriciate it. I hope you don't mind, but I will send it to you tomorow. I have to try a create a pheonix now *sob* Thanks again.

[JJ3d]

Come on! you can do it!
I wanna see this master piece finished !!
:buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:

[erilaz]

Hey Apt! You probably don't need to (because you're so damn skilled), but post up progression shots of your pheonix so we can help you along! I really want you to finish this piece!

If it makes things faster, render them without brazil! Just use scanline to speed up the process and render the final shot in brazil later!!

I'll send over a pack of cheerleaders to spur you on!:D

[MorBioS]

APT PUPIL, congratulations man.

Your model is great !!!

:applause:

[Apt Pupil]

Thanks guys. I'll try my best.

I don't usually use modeling sheets, but this time, anything helps :) I am starting to block in the basic form.

I predict I am going to be using 'alot' of bump maps heehheeh.

[erilaz]

Great! Keep it up!

I assume from your bird on the contraption that you've done feathers before, so this should be a breeze!:D

[chi]

i wish my crappy renders looked as good as yours man...keep up the awsome work

[ZrO-1]

Looking good so far Apt. From what I can see of the pheonix I think it should look really awesome.
Keep up the great work! :thumbsup:

[Apt Pupil]

Hey, THANKs guys, I really appriaciate the encouragement.

Right now I am trying to unwrap my bird so that I can texture it properly. However, I am still a little new to this unwrap thing, so this might take some time.

Well, we will see what I come up with . . . tomorow heheheh :)

[huh?]

Saw this thread yesterday night for the first time, but I was too stunned to give a reaction.
Now I know what to type: holy crap!

[Apt Pupil]

I can't believe I am doing a "bird." This is going to take some serious time away from my rendering for my boat :cry: I hope I make it.

Well, I finished modeling the bird, I am now going to rig it and then finish texturing it (it's already unwraped).

Well, can't talk anymore, gotta go hehehehe:argh: :argh:

[Joril]

:eek: Holy cow! :eek:
That looks so good, even without a render!

[erilaz]

Are you TRYING to give me a heart attack? That looks gorgeous!! I'd better dose myself up good for your final render so I don't have a seizure!:eek:

[hypercube]

I don't think there's enough expletives to express it right, but I'll just say,

DAMN.

Truly amazing stuff. Very classical, but it also looks like it could sail right out of a squaresoft game.

I was trying to cajole myself into making a last gasp effort on my bob today, but now I think between you and Hiko the choice is more like pills or razor blades. :D

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Maxko]

:beer:

[MikaelPersson]

You have an incredible speed man. Hope you will make it.

[Koma]

wow the bird is incredible , and you did it fast dude ,ta pas dormi ou quoi he he ...... ta pas besoin de le texturer ,en-t k pas pour le challenge ,le challenge rst juste baser sur la modelisation .

and i stand after your e mail . a +

[Apt Pupil]

Thanks guys, but I am not sure if I will hand it in or not. It was created to quickly and hence . . . lacks details. But it was fun though :p

Here's what it generally looks like though. . . .

It's still missing the trailing flags and chains, but I can always add them in later.

[levius]

Go for it, you can do it !!! :bounce:
I am really looking forward to see this one finished... :thumbsup:

(and I got to try model something architectural right now, becouse it was to much inspiration to see your pict :))

[Apt Pupil]

"Final" Contraption

http://www.magicswithin.com/artwork/HiResModels/Ascendant.jpg

[erilaz]

Hey that's really weird, your image only comes up when I reply to your post!

WHO CARE'S????? THAT'S TOTALLY AWESOME!!!!!!:eek: :eek:


Great job!!:D Really fantastic!!!!

[NowhereMan]

There are so many FANTASTIC jobs out there but this one....

WINNER!!! WINNER!!!...MAY THE CONTEST END NOW!!

:wip: :wip: :wip: :wip:

[MikaelPersson]

Great. Finally some resolution ;)
That is an awsome piece you´ve got there.

[mv]

That's really beautiful Fredrik; but the difference between the level of detail of the different parts of your model shocks a bit .

[mebamonster]

outstanding work! It has been an honor watching your progress form concept to completion. You have done an amazing job of keeping true to your concept art. Stunning skills! Good job!!!!

[l_farley13_l]

Awesome peice! Some slight tweeking of levels to get the black down and some deatail in the white would be great - will the Phoenix become a simular bluish tone or more texturing?

Farley13

[lildragon]

Oh man such a beautiful piece... *sigh* it's gonna hurt me to point this out after so much work went into it but :hmm:

Rule number

5) can't be humanoid

:sad:

I don't know I'll have to discuss it with the others, but it's humans with wings (angels) :hmm:

[Joril]

I don't know I'll have to discuss it with the others, but it's humans with wings (angels)
I think the angel is just a sculputure part of the contraption, the BoB is that kick-ass Phoenix.

[lildragon]

ok lil's eyesight must be shot but where's the Phoenix? :curious:

[urgaffel]

Yeah, the angels are just statues. Bowfigures? Is that the word?

Anyway... Holy cow man, that is incredible. Most impressive. And you're fast as hell too. I hope you continue to work with this after the challenge is over. Textures etc... I'd like a poster of it :)

[tubby]

damn apt your piece is remarkeable. i still think this is one of the best pieces out of this whole challenge , i think we all agree to that, and thats what counts. you won in our eyes!

[Apt Pupil]

Lildragon --> the rules say that if you enter the contraption part, you only need to show a harness. Well, the chains leading off to nowhere.. . . :curious:

As for the pheonix, well, I didn't manage to finish that . . . Sorry guys.

:sad:

[lildragon]

Originally posted by Apt Pupil
Lildragon --> the rules say that if you enter the contraption part, you only need to show a harness. Well, the chains leading off to nowhere.. . .
:sad:

Ah gotcha, well done then, you got your thumb in the compilation page right? Going to check now..

sorry for the scare

salud!

[lildragon]

Yup you're there but I have no thumb, did you submit it yet?

salud!

[Apt Pupil]

You didn't scare me, you only took ten years off of my life. :argh:

But yup, my thumbnail is there. I gave you two actually. I gave you a recent one just an hour ago, and I gave you my old one two weeks ago. However, even though I said I was joining all three contest sections, you left me out of the contraption page. :shrug:

How much time do we have left anyways? Maybe I can squeeze in the pheonix hehehhee?

[Artifex]

Stunning job apt. The details of the stuctures are fenomenal. You could add some more to the genreral ship after de contest maybe.

[lildragon]

You're in Montreal, so you probably have 3hrs :) and yeh sorry about that :p and I'll get the thumbs up tonight ;)

salud!

[Apt Pupil]

Lildragon --> hey, no problem. I imaging you must be having a hectic time with this contest's 200 entries and with the new contest site coming on line soon (which I can't wait to see). Otherwise, I love this site of yours. One of the best I ever partaked in. Looking forward its future.

Artifex --> Unfortuanatly I can't add more details. I want the full month for the next contest hehehehe.

Tubby --> Thanks man :love:

urgaffel --> I wish I could work on it some more, but, unfortuanatly, I must stock up on my models for employers viewing (this has been mentioned *sob*) Hence in this case, quantity over quality prevails :p So, I'll probably be entering more contests . . .

farley13 --> Your probably right about the lighting setup. I didn't have time to test out different set ups unfortuanatly. It's a skill I still need to develop:blush:

mebamonster --> Thanks man, it means alot. Yup, those concepts certainly came in handy. EVery time I no longer knew what to work on, they made things alot clearer.

M@ --> it does sort if make a bang doesnt it? I guess it was to strong of a contrast between the two factions of the ship. But I was hoping that by making the back dark, the angel would stick out like a tree in thunderstorm. . .heheheh, but then, I did over do it a tad:blush:

Mikael P. --> hehehe, yup, better resolution this time around. I had more time to think about it.

[Artifex]

post another angle please it's hard to see what you created.

[phil]

wow, love the style of this, and the composition is really dynamic, love it.

I'd agree with apt, it would be great to see more views to get a better understanding of whats going on.

Brilliant stuff.

[erilaz]

You're not submitting THAT?:eek:

It's not even finished and it kicks all over my model! Why not just throw it in? It'll look all cool and concepty!:D

[erilaz]

Have you submitted any of your work to companies? I think Squaresoft would be right up your alley!

No seriously! I think you'd be a shoe in!

Hey, can you post a wire of the ascendant?:D

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