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VladPascanu
04-30-2004, 10:23 PM
Vlad Pascanu has entered the Machineflesh 3D Challenge.

VladPascanu
04-30-2004, 10:26 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083360407_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083360407_large.jpg)

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VladPascanu
04-30-2004, 10:29 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083360543_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083360543_large.jpg)

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VladPascanu
04-30-2004, 10:31 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083360670_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083360670_large.jpg)

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VladPascanu
04-30-2004, 11:03 PM
hello


new here
first english is not a good friend of mine
sorry for the future language mistakes
second atlas -god enhanced and tortured
by his robotic limbs & co
just saying that MAN + tehnology ( science)
can do a lot of good things
it can make our life easier
or it can destroy


don't forget one thing

we belong to mother nature

Falcorr
05-01-2004, 12:08 PM
Very promising 2D artwork :thumbsup:

Im glad youre not up against me in the 2D machine flesh. Im trying to wonder how are you going to do when you start 3D modelling.

Good luck!:bowdown:

lulaassassina
05-01-2004, 12:26 PM
Great concepts! Very stylish!

Keep on m8!

VladPascanu
05-01-2004, 07:44 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083437074_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083437074_large.jpg)

some modeling
tomorrow ill add some details and work
on the proportions

Continuumx
05-01-2004, 09:06 PM
Wonderful graphical display of concept!

Proceed on, looks very promising.

:applause:

CGTrader
05-02-2004, 10:24 AM
great concept and promising modeling! keep it going! :thumbsup:

VladPascanu
05-02-2004, 10:05 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083531928_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083531928_large.jpg)

thanks for your comments
working on details

Tremoside
05-02-2004, 10:20 PM
Hello Vlad,

Nice to see your smooth modeling and drawing art. And of course your name sounds good, but I think lot of people say that.

Do you have academic skills? It looks like.

Do you use rhino?

cya and congrats to your elegant details:bowdown:

VladPascanu
05-02-2004, 10:32 PM
thanks
i ve learned drawing and 3d by myself
thanks to Michelangelo and F1
hope i ll get better
i m learning arhitecture
3dsmax - splines and epoly

Squibbit
05-02-2004, 10:38 PM
very , very good designs !

the curvy parts are so cool , and the wrist is best ,
probably one of the best if not the best wrist in the
whole contest :D

maxus13
05-02-2004, 10:48 PM
Impressive skeches... great technique
Keep going that way ...
I like the idea
Good luck, man!
My Machineflesh (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=130369)

shinjuku
05-03-2004, 01:08 AM
very nice interpretation of sketch thus far.
eager to see the following phases.
i like your choice of metaphorical reference, has room for humour
and intense dramatisation.
good luck in the challenge./

Cygnus-X
05-03-2004, 06:11 PM
REally like the idea. :thumbsup: your design and modeling are great. Keep it up:beer:

VladPascanu
05-03-2004, 11:00 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083621633_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083621633_large.jpg)

more

DarkstaR1st
05-03-2004, 11:53 PM
I truely like the design and the organically flowing metals (or somekind of material). I am really looking forward at where you are taking this design.

Keep it up

Dennis

rattlesnake
05-04-2004, 06:57 AM
wow, those are really nice concepts and sketch!!:surprised ... the modeling is looking great too... good luck for your next steps, really interesting work!

VladPascanu
05-04-2004, 06:20 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083691240_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083691240_large.jpg)

think i leave the hand as it is
and work on the body
later i ll link the arm

gpepper
05-04-2004, 08:52 PM
the modeling is great ! you have a "style", really !

VladPascanu
05-04-2004, 11:59 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083711585_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1083711585_large.jpg)

i think today i ve worked 12h for
my machineflesh
here is atlas head and my mesh is a mess
i don t know how some people make
clean meshes only with quads
i guess it comes with experience

jddog
05-05-2004, 06:38 PM
Stunning work and wonderful sketches, congrats man !!! :thumbsup:
I learn by myself 3D too but wow... your head is really amazing !

jdd

VladPascanu
05-14-2004, 11:05 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1084572337_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1084572337_large.jpg)

update
textures on the hand are not finished

Saschi0815
05-15-2004, 03:32 AM
Superb, man!!!!:applause:

Looks like a bust of CÃĪsar or whoever....

Very good! :buttrock:

VladPascanu
05-15-2004, 10:01 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1084654900_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1084654900_large.jpg)

I'll resubmit some of my images

VladPascanu
05-15-2004, 10:03 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1084655030_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1084655030_large.jpg)

some wip textures

Changeling
05-16-2004, 08:06 AM
I really like the tarnished bronze look on the torso, esp the stains etc...

could you post the materials / maps? did you use quick-dirt plugin?

keep up the good work.

VladPascanu
05-16-2004, 09:53 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1084740811_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1084740811_large.jpg)

i ve been very lazy this weekend

VladPascanu
05-16-2004, 09:59 PM
no plug ins for materials
i ll post the maps when i ll finished them
many things could change

apunctg
05-17-2004, 03:56 PM
Hey man ... you're good ... i like your work !!! :wip:
keep it up .... i'm expecting lots from u !!!
:beer: :applause: :bowdown:

see u !!!

ali-rahimi-shahmirzadi
05-17-2004, 09:08 PM
realy cool. great concept. new way
:applause:

VladPascanu
05-17-2004, 10:18 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1084828739_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1084828739_large.jpg)

update

celmar
05-17-2004, 11:29 PM
It's a really impressive work, Bombeu! with a lot of significations "around"!... I'm waiting for the updates!...

flinder
05-18-2004, 10:51 PM
nice work. excellent detailing.

jddog
05-19-2004, 12:00 PM
:eek: wonderful work !
jdd

chi
05-20-2004, 09:40 PM
yeah im sorry, but i guess im gonna have to be the one to ask the question.... but is the earth to be THAT suggestive?! It might just be me, but i think some clarification would be great.

Tremoside
05-20-2004, 11:29 PM
What an excellent thread!!!
Man I have to :bowdown: your work in texin and modellin is awesome. I really like the sculpted feeling of your model.

KEEP IT UP MATE!

Changeling
05-21-2004, 12:11 AM
I'm gonna have to agree with chi... the whole 'mother earth' thing is a little in your face, so to speak. It could get messy if it overbalances and gets stuck on his head:hmm:

keep up the good work.

BrettHolton
05-21-2004, 12:13 AM
i agree with chiu, the planet can does seem very suggestive.. well it did to me when i first saw it and still does

VladPascanu
05-23-2004, 09:43 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1085345016_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1085345016_large.jpg)

thanks for replying
about the latest replies - i wanted
the planet to be that suggestive
i don t intend to make something obscene
but i think that way i express my idea better
posted the concept above

VladPascanu
05-23-2004, 09:46 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1085345164_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1085345164_large.jpg)

and here s the update

lulaassassina
05-23-2004, 10:02 PM
powerfull image u got there m8!
You're really on the top threads for this contest.

My suggestion:
The breast muscles are too down, because they look relaxed, in spite of his arms being projected to the back of his bodie.

Also the the rib/abdominals connection are wierd! When anyone is in that position, the flesh will bend in the tummy area, not in the aexternus. Sholders an neck are wierd too.

In spite of the crits, Brutal job, again!

Ionized
05-26-2004, 07:57 AM
Fascinating take on the mother earth idea. I like it very much and although it is very suggestive, I dont see it as a problem. You obviously are trying to create something that is very provocative.

I hope the final composition will do the subject matter the justice that it deserves. With something like this, I think you need to take a very sombre approach to the lighting and textures.

Some very nice modelling in there too... =)

aLxDesigns
05-26-2004, 08:20 AM
Very nice level of detail!
Just a thought...the muscles of the lower arm look a little fragile to hold that kind of structure...or maybe it could? I dont know :shrug: but it looks a little odd.

Other then that, very nice progress and idea! Cant wait to see the final result of efforts!

KEEP ON ROCKIN'!!! :buttrock:

Changeling
05-27-2004, 06:23 AM
looks good... like the added stuff.

you're not going to make the 'mother-earth' vulva thing to fleshy are you?

Cheers.

Lonx
05-27-2004, 01:56 PM
I must say; this looks very cool. I like the idea of modernizing the Atlas-legend. Very nice.

VladPascanu
05-30-2004, 04:07 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1085929632_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1085929632_large.jpg)

wip

braindust
05-30-2004, 04:30 PM
that looks really impressive!

one small comment: perhaps you could "twist" a bit his head and put it a bit lower so it gives more the impression of a heavy weight

I would add also some wrinkles to his forehead (perhaps you were already planning to do that with textures) that would magnify the feeling of a heavy burden

Luter
05-30-2004, 09:02 PM
Good work man...Art, ideas, thoughts....have always caused discussions...Do what you feel, what you like, that's all...the purpose of discussion on this forum (in my task) is not to modify the principe of the primal idea of a concept but eventually to enhance technical and artistical capacities and sometimes to find a better idea...

Anyway, sorry for my bad english, keep up !:D

VladPascanu
05-30-2004, 10:00 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1085950834_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1085950834_large.jpg)

update

harnelbe
05-30-2004, 10:05 PM
:beer:
Superbe !!!
i love the design, the concept, the modeling !
Great !!!
:thumbsup: :bounce:

VladPascanu
05-30-2004, 10:28 PM
thank you for replying

lula_assassina
i know i have anatomy problems with my character
i ll try to correct/hide them

Ionized
Changeling
i ll be carefull about materials

Burning_Frust
style vs functionality ???
that s always a hard choice

Lonx
:)

goli
i ve seen a lot of threads on CG where the discusions where around the decency of the posted image and less about its quality
i don t want that

harnelbe
:thumbsup:

aLxDesigns
05-31-2004, 07:37 PM
Well I really tought that maybe both style and funtionality could be intergrated into a project...

DimitrisLiatsos
05-31-2004, 10:08 PM
Believe it or not ..it is the first time i walk in your thread...and i am very sorry about this....Amazing work and details ...i really hope u finish this one and make us happy to see it textured and with a nice dramatic lighting.


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

JamesMK
06-02-2004, 12:03 AM
Holy salmon mousse!

This is a beautiful piece of work - top notch concept and execution....

:applause:

Then I'm on my way, stalking Dimitris to see what he's up to...... :D ... I could easily imagine David Attenburrough doing the voice-over here, sort of whispering....

Versiden
06-04-2004, 12:02 PM
holy shyte, this is excellent.... Im glad I found this.
this is really styling dude, details are outstanding.. I'm surprised you havent gotten more replies - wtf!

sweeeeeeeeeeet

:buttrock:

saraki
06-04-2004, 05:01 PM
wow i haven't seen this one, the concept, composition and modelling is fantastic - all of great quality. I can't wait to see this one finished, this composition is very strong and so is the concept - not to mention great machinery. Great job! :buttrock:

Sean

roctavian
06-09-2004, 12:36 AM
Hi Bombeu,

Congrats from Cluj.
Bombeu, you have style.
Very nice job, Very nice ideea (and some couraje, too).
You have my vote.
I`m eager to see the final image.
Good luck and happy rendering man.


pro

Luter
06-10-2004, 10:56 PM
Your skills in modelisation are impressive...I like a lot the organic feeling of your work...and idea too is great...can't say anything else for now...
I wait for the next...

btw, thanks for your nice comment on my thread:)

best regards.

jeffrey.

Luter
06-10-2004, 10:59 PM
Your skills in modeling are impressive...i like the organic feeling...the idea too is really interesting... i can't say anything else for now.........i wait for the next and your render tests...


Btw, thanks a lot for your nice comments on my thread:)

Best regards.

jeffrey

Luter
06-10-2004, 11:01 PM
oups!!.... sorry for the two comments...do you want another one ??:D

VladPascanu
06-10-2004, 11:02 PM
yes


thanks for your comments

Virtuoso
06-10-2004, 11:08 PM
I'll give you one Vlad................A well deserved one,Your beautiful concept is getting a real nice 3D rendition,I cannot believe that I missed your thread.Too too many to keep up with.Sometimes I wish the challenge had only 100 entries or so,it would be simpler to be involved with others as they progress.........But still at least i caught up with you now,very nice,really think alot of your efforts................:thumbsup: :buttrock:

Zenlines
06-11-2004, 12:45 PM
Nuu see poaate!! Beton! Traiasca Vladutu!

The concept is super, the character looks great, and the most important, you're made to do 3D.
I would have some suggestions for the face expression. I think there's somethig that doesn't look right. The muscles around the nose are a bit too contracted for a closed mouth;

And to suggest the heaviness on the character you could bury his neck a bit or raise the shoulder. All in all, great work. Three thumbs up. Mai vb.

VladPascanu
06-11-2004, 10:30 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1086989430_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1086989430_large.jpg)

at some point i realized
i was going nowhere with my
texturing
took a few days off
and...

VladPascanu
06-11-2004, 10:34 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1086989642_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1086989642_large.jpg)

now

same mesh
shader wip

VladPascanu
06-11-2004, 10:37 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1086989837_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1086989837_large.jpg)

some hdr lightning

hanzo
06-11-2004, 10:40 PM
:bounce: hehe some sick fast work bombeu! like the concept woW! job, be looking for updates.

PS: how did you get your fogy look in that green shader? :D looks very convinsing.

VladPascanu
06-11-2004, 10:41 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1086990069_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1086990069_large.jpg)

now


i ll put the maps and materials
after i ll finish them
i have to tweak them a lot
little time

VladPascanu
06-11-2004, 10:44 PM
hanzo

volume slot- submerge

BESTrin
06-11-2004, 11:36 PM
great concept and great execution. I dont know what your planning but i would make sure that the earth has a very realistic layerd look. No just a txture maped on but all the atmosphere stuff.

VladPascanu
06-11-2004, 11:44 PM
BESTrin

the second picture is what i m working on
the first was just an idea

Lonx
06-12-2004, 12:26 AM
Very nice texes, man. I'm really impressed. What software do you use?

//Lonx

hanzo
06-12-2004, 01:01 AM
bombeu: thanks dude :scream:

Lonx, I think that's maya, meshing shade looks the same as in maya, when I'm working,

VladPascanu
06-12-2004, 01:16 AM
Lonx thanks
max6

BESTrin
06-12-2004, 04:23 AM
oh i get it. sry i thought the second was a part of the first. The first idea has a cool concept though. Great work.

hanzo
06-12-2004, 09:18 AM
OO cool it's max6 heha, makes me more curious..:wip:

FaustoDeMartini
06-12-2004, 12:37 PM
I loved the idea, the modeling and now, some awsome textures!! The only thing that I can say is: KICKASS!! Keep it up!

Thanks!

Fausto.

Tremoside
06-12-2004, 01:28 PM
Maybe the best in this challenge....simply...that's all.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Best luck to you for the final! You will finish in top ten! Personally this is what i hope.
Cya,
Tremo

VladPascanu
06-12-2004, 10:34 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087076063_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087076063_large.jpg)

small update
6 days hmmm
i think i m not going to get much sleep this night

hanzo
06-14-2004, 02:00 AM
:beer: hehe great work, your finishing up quite fast, best of luck to the dead line man..

your work tops.. :thumbsup:

Russo
06-14-2004, 09:13 AM
killer textures.. canīt wait to see it finished.. :thumbsup:

Zenlines
06-14-2004, 12:40 PM
Eu zic ca i-ai cam batut la cur pe aia de la 3d. Texturile si bumpmappingu sunt extraordinare, foarte realiste.

Imi place foarte mult lucrarea ta si cred ca ai mari sanse sa convingi si juriul.
Abia astept sa vad puzzle-ul laolalta.

Esti tare de tot!!

Laurentiu

OZ
06-14-2004, 03:18 PM
A M A Z I N G ! ! ! :eek:

JamesMK
06-14-2004, 03:19 PM
Absolutely excellent! Your textures are just as great as the model :thumbsup: --- Fingers crossed that you will make it before deadline! :wip:

3dRaven
06-15-2004, 01:30 PM
Great stuff. Very organic feel to it. Rock on :buttrock:

Deadlyforce
06-15-2004, 01:37 PM
Very impressive modeling !
Great concept !

The dirty textures are awesome !

Good Luck !:bowdown:

Tremoside
06-16-2004, 12:59 PM
Keep it up mate!!! We're waiting for you final!!
Best luck!!

VladPascanu
06-16-2004, 10:33 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087421631_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087421631_large.jpg)

working hard
time is short

VladPascanu
06-16-2004, 10:35 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087421724_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087421724_large.jpg)

taking care of details

VladPascanu
06-16-2004, 10:38 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087421887_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087421887_large.jpg)

2 days
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

VladPascanu
06-16-2004, 10:41 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087422096_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087422096_large.jpg)

some minor tweaking needed
ignore the lightning
it s horrible

VladPascanu
06-16-2004, 10:44 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087422298_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087422298_large.jpg)

background modeling
do you recognize the hdri in the background ?
he he

VladPascanu
06-16-2004, 10:48 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087422481_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087422481_large.jpg)


background test
this is how it s going to look
but with some work in Photoshop

JamesMK
06-16-2004, 11:08 PM
Just keep working now - you are very talented - I want to see a final image here before deadline! :wip: Go go go!

Deadlyforce
06-17-2004, 12:35 AM
Your work is amazing !
And those great textures...I'm dying to see the final picture !

That will be a close one !:bowdown:

You have my support !:applause:

Lonx
06-17-2004, 10:26 PM
It's coming along very nicely, keep up the good work!

//Lonx

VladPascanu
06-19-2004, 12:18 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087600717_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087600717_large.jpg)

1 sky with hdr
2 omni
1 area light

VladPascanu
06-19-2004, 12:26 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087601168_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087601168_large.jpg)

rendering layers

VladPascanu
06-19-2004, 12:29 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087601397_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/5/3497/3497_1087601397_large.jpg)

quick compositing

VladPascanu
06-19-2004, 01:06 AM
i didn t submit final image milestone
............


good luck
thanks for c&c

FonteBoa
06-19-2004, 01:06 AM
Go on, man! Your conception is the best one, imo, in all challenge: you've put the man (flesh) in his ontological place! Go on, man! You have to finish this!
Good luck! I'm waiting!

harnelbe
06-19-2004, 01:14 AM
:wavey: :beer:
Bombeu
i hope to see your great Piece of art finished soon !
I'm a fan of what you've done !!!

VladPascanu
06-19-2004, 01:16 AM
harnelbe
thanks
i ll finish it

paladin6303
06-19-2004, 03:24 AM
Wow! If there's one thing these contests have done it's fostered the development of some excellent fine art pieces. This is a good example of that process, hope to see this one finished.

neandertal
06-19-2004, 04:42 AM
Very lyrical ! I just love it :drool: You sure have great talents in 3D and composition !

Locusta
06-20-2004, 11:00 PM
Really great work bombeu!! I like it very, very much.

I hope you finish it and let us all see the final result. Unfortunately I also didnīt get it in time.

Abaddon
06-21-2004, 05:55 AM
Wow, just stumbled across this one for the first time. Very very nice modeling, texturing and awesome concept. Good stuff!

Lonx
06-21-2004, 09:59 PM
it might just be me or did you not finish in time? I thought I saw your final pic on the entry web site.

Anyways, great job!

//Lonx

VladPascanu
06-21-2004, 10:48 PM
no i didn t finish on time
my PC let me down
somehow it s bad because i worked 2 months for this challenge
(my first ) and....:sad:


on the other hand now i have time to work on my image
tommorow i ll make a new rendering and i think by the end of this
week i ll post it :)

techart
06-22-2004, 12:22 PM
sorry to hear that man...I love your work...great concept.....la mai mare

Franky
06-24-2004, 05:46 AM
Too bad about not finish.Could be one of best in the end.But you should finish on side now<i hope to see.Nice work still.Good luck with continued work on this.:buttrock:

hanzo
06-24-2004, 09:02 PM
I was really looking forward to see your's in the finals..


you should do like this:banghead: and then this :wip: and last jump on it :bounce: to youre computer, then buy a new one!! ( Apple G5 ) anyway you got my vote the peace would be and is worldly.

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