CGTalk - Challenges favorites

Chico

07-13-2002, 12:42 PM

Yea I was thinking alone the lines of this myself. The first few challenges were fine, but after the Enchanted forest, this one is huge..!

I suspect for the next one, the mods should concider a few seperate achallenges. As there are soo many enties here (10 pages at my last count) that its impossible to get through them all. Hence the only ones that end up getting attention is the "Elite". and these people can get away with posting a box, as an early concept sketch, with a blurb, then they constantly have hundreds of replys say "wahoo, great idea" or "oh no, I may as well give up since youve entered" (Yea Matt and pascal, Im looking at your threads:p ) SO what happens is whenever we log on we always have these ppl on the first page or so.

Speaking for myself, i usually dont go past the first page when siftingthrough these:surprised and I bet alot of you dont (Except Zero-1...youre in every damn thread:scream: )as we dont have the time.

So one Idea could be to have, say three different levels of enties and ppl can enter in the one that suits them best. But the thing that makes this place amazing, is the mixture of professions and students. So If we divide it up, youll get ppl possibly sticking in there own forums.

Oh and dont get this messed up with a case of sour grapes, Just Ive been thinking about this too for a few days :D

marioucci

07-13-2002, 01:00 PM

Well, thats not pascal or equinoxx fault. they are well know because they are good and they deserve their status.
the problem is actually all the c#ck suckers around here.
theres one thing that i like about spiraloid forums:
"NO WOW!!!! OMG!!!!! AWESOME!!!!!!URE A GOD!!!!!! REPLIES ALLOWED!!!!!"
Whys that?? to prevent c##k suckers to keep saying those kind of things.
the level of this forum images is very high!!! why isnt the same thing with the comments and oppinions?
there must be a rule that says: NO C##K SUCKING ALLOWED!!!!
that kind of complain exist since the very first challenge. i was there and i remember how hard it is to keep seeing god and wow to the stars while ure working like a madman in ur entry. It sucks!!! not to mention useless for the star and for eb else.

well. the problem is there. thats my 0,02
loggie

Equinoxx

07-13-2002, 01:01 PM

oh man, talk about a SERIOUS case of sour grapes turned vengeant on us . . .

hehe j/k ofcourse ;)

you've got a point there, bbut the problem is, peeps will ALWAYS reply to threads they know got potential . . . lots of peeps don't have a lot of free time on their hands [myself included] so the spare post they DO throw in goes to the one that whooooo's them . . . allas, this also goes for the threads they EXPECT to go skyhigh.

peeps have a case of ooh aah rather than giving crits to the ones that need em most . . .

I just model . . . nothing special, but i have to say altho strikes BoB looks very good, i don't like it . . . it's got weird creases that just don't do it for me . . . and that's always the case, art is a matter of taste . . .

oh and just for the record, i resent the fact that you think i get replies just because i'm a mod :p

rolhionjs

07-13-2002, 01:18 PM

.. Well, thanks for the compare between Equinnox model and my own Boromir, but i agree with Equinnox... Even if sometimes i feel a kinda injustice between comments for more people than other, i think people who watch for threads don't especially have time to look at all challengers.

For myself, i pay my connection because i don't have DSL or Cable, so i don't spend alot of time connected, and i'm sure i'm not alone in this case. Plus i have a work who don't let me time to be always on this site commenting every thread... but when i have free time it's for modeling and challenging, like a big part of people here, for some it's studying, for others working.

And the way you compared only four threads is really reducing don't you think so ? There's more than 150 entries (i don't know exactly) so your argument between 4 is too "short" i think...

Maybe you're a professionnal, and then ? does it give you the right to say : this one is better than this other one ? Bull shit man...

Equinnox : hehe... thanks to say you don't like my entry... i don't like yours too... but as you say : art is a matter of taste. And the main thing around here is to love what WE are doing, and having fun ! :) So guys keep going on your threads even if nobody's looking at it... coz you do that for yourself first... and for your own pleasure...

marioucci

07-13-2002, 01:20 PM

ok equinoxx when i said status i didnt mean moderator.
i mean ure know because u worked hard for it.
cos the same thing goes for matt clark for example......
i thought it was clear.

i agree that u can look a thread with potential. not reply WOW for it.
the PA challenge was hilarious man!!!
pascal had a sketch... A SKETCH!!!!!! great sketch but he got a lot of replies and 5 starts!!!!!!!!
that must be a joke man!
those guys are wrong!!!! what they expect??? an email from pascal saying how greatfull he is???
the "NON WOW REPLY ALLOWED" rule must be on now!
loggie

Chico

07-13-2002, 01:20 PM

"NO WOW!!!! OMG!!!!! AWESOME!!!!!!URE A GOD!!!!!! REPLIES ALLOWED!!!!!"

Amen to that, I was impressed when I first read the rules at spiroliod. Thought it wount suit here..this is a tricky situation for someone who's not me to sort out.:p

You can please some of the ppl some of the time...(You know the rest)

oh man, talk about a SERIOUS case of sour grapes turned vengeant on us . . .

:P just cause your a mod...ra.ra.ra.ra

j/k myself:surprised

Cgkoko

07-13-2002, 01:27 PM

:shrug: I consider myself as an active member of cgtalk.My threads never had a lot of replies(My bob does,for some reason).I think my modelling is good (not great but good).The thing is that i know the only way to start getting more replies is whining....and i don't like that!:thumbsdow

boromir

07-13-2002, 01:40 PM

Well, i'm happy to read people think the same i do... It's weird nobody have write something about it before, coz i feel alot of people here think they're not see as they should.

Equinnox : yes that's the thing i wanted to say, your thread is seen because you're mod here... It doesn't mean your work is bad, but you have comments because of your function... As loganarts said, there's alot of c##k suckers here and it's sad coz it makes this challenges an impossible way to find the rare piece.

.::STRIKE::.: I understand alot of people can't comment coz of time of connection, but however some has time to post replies to known challengers... that's what i wanted to say : People here expect always better work, models, ideas, etc... and they think they'll find this only trough known people...
I really like your piece and i don't understand why you're reaction is like that... Sure you're right saying it's for your own you do that, but then why challenging if you're not hoping to have replies of your work ?

Well... i think there's alot of suckers here and that's just i wanted to say... guys, can you tell me what is the main objective you have to comment Moderators, or Pascal Blanché, or Matt Clark ? They don't care about your comments... It just confirms their supremacy...

Equinoxx

07-13-2002, 01:40 PM

hehe loganarts, you replied while i was about to . . . the mod-status thing was cuase of what boromir said, that i get repleis cause i'm well known around this place . . .

i do agree with the NO ooh aah wow thing . . . but how do we enforce such a thing, we can't go around deleteng or edting every post thta has it in it can we . . .

Bezerker75

07-13-2002, 01:42 PM

I have to disagree to some of this topic...I am fairly new here...and I have found that my threads get alot of views and I have had some great responses...I think if you work hard and you have fun...that's all that really matters here!....everyone here has the potential of becoming a " pascal" or "Wiro" etc...you just have to give it your best and also reply to other peoples posts that you like or dislike and give them advice on how to improve...if your advice is good...people will say hey this guy has some good comments let me see his stuff and then you too will get to know people then you get the posts and views you are looking for...It's not gonna happen over night...and posting OMG...and WOW..etc.. will not get you any respect either unless followed by comments and crits that are substanciated...anyway this is just my 2 cents for what it's worth!

marioucci

07-13-2002, 01:47 PM

heyas noxx,
great:)
thats a relief.
well i would suggest that exact thing man!!!!
delete wow threads 3 times. the next one the guy is banished till hes 18:) or a grown up:)
im afraid to tell ya but when i first entered here i thought:" wow this is the pro world ive only heard about" now i think this is a red carpet at the oscar ceremony where the starts passes by and the fans cries and scream!!!!! PASCAL PASCAL!!!! please let me kiss ur @SS..... thats all...
those guys cant keep doing that....
cos it really sucks!!!
loggie

rolhionjs

07-13-2002, 01:54 PM

boromir : hehe... you don't like my reaction... you're happy some people think like you... you're not a kinda fascist by somehow ?...

As i concern, i'm not awaiting for replies like wow, great, awesome, etc... I just need some help about how i could do better a model, scene, this kinda thing... It's now 7 months i started 3D on Lightwave, and i'm a newbie here... There's alot (and when i say alot it's more) of thing i need to learn about CG, and CGTALK is for me a way to learn by having comments of people saying : you should do that, or this, etc... to help upgrading my skills in 3D... I don't search to win challenges. Sure i will not say the contrary when i finished 6th in the texturing challenge. It was a great honnor for me... But that's not the reason why i'm participate all CGTALK challenges...

but maybe you're too egoistic to understand that ?

Cgkoko

07-13-2002, 02:01 PM

:shame: Stop getting personal!There where far better artists than enyone in that thread, that left because of this situation....You better start thinking how to make things work better for everyone!

Equinoxx

07-13-2002, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by boromir
Equinnox : yes that's the thing i wanted to say, your thread is seen because you're mod here... It doesn't mean your work is bad, but you have comments because of your function...

guys, can you tell me what is the main objective you have to comment Moderators, or Pascal Blanché, or Matt Clark ? They don't care about your comments... It just confirms their supremacy...

better watch your mouth ok . . . i started 3d character last september and if there's ONE thing i care about it's the comments of people . . . don't act like you know me, cause you don't . . . and i do NOT consider myself supreme . . . far from even :p

as for my thread getting views cause i'm a mod, i still resent that . . . people here in general are NOT sucking up . . . they know it does them no good to drewl allover the place . . .
The reason i get views and replies [in my opinion] is because i treat people as my equals regardless of their skills . . . if someone asks for help, i give it to them . . .

so, tone down ok . . . you are the one that's sounding all high and mighty here.

ok, rant over . . . now let's all get along :)

to strike . . . glad you take it positive what i said. As i said, your model is very good, it's just not my taste :)

rolhionjs

07-13-2002, 02:13 PM

Always a pleasure Equinoxx ;) Same thought for your mesh :)

toxichimp

07-13-2002, 02:13 PM

well isn't it just a fact of life that people with a better reputation get more attention? I mean ever noticed how big the name of actors on dvd and video covers are these days :p A name and his reputation counts, sometimes even more than the work they do or make.

And god this thread goes fast :p When I'm done posting this I'll probably be on page 3

Cgkoko

07-13-2002, 02:21 PM

:beer: for example toxichimp is another example of 'lost good modeling'

boromir

07-13-2002, 02:30 PM

Cgkoko : exact ! the toxichimp mesh is an excellent example too ! :)

Equinnox : the mod has talk : Tone down...
I never say you treat the other like shit... Hopefully for a mod you treat them like equal... hopefully... You started 3D since September ? then it conforts my opinion, and you agree with it too. You have posts coz you're a mod.

But i want to congratulate your skills in a so short time of learning. Like .::Strike::. too ... really impressive. Maybe one day your skills will be in concurrence or in work together, so i prefer to stop this talk now before i have a bad feeling about some people here... (isn't it .::STRIKE::. ? )

iC4

07-13-2002, 02:35 PM

hm....I agree with some of you....but not with all you said

I think equinoxxs entry is one of the best, and because of that he get many replys

but I also have to agree that for example pascal has only shown a simple picture and had 4 pages of replys.......

same for OZ, sure his work is great, but he showed 3 sketches and got 10 sites with replys.......I don't say that they weren't good but 10 pages?!

And I also think that 1 good critic is better than 5 sites full with good ida, nice modeling....etc.

Sure it's nice if somebody says that he likes your work.....but id don't help you

I know my work is not as good as the work from oz, pascal or someone else.....but I think it would me help more if somebody replys to my thread than it would help pascal if somebody replys to his thread

Equinoxx

07-13-2002, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by boromir
the mod has talk : Tone down...

You started 3D since September ? then it conforts my opinion, and you agree with it too. You have posts coz you're a mod.

what i mean with " i started 3d in september" is that i am as much a newbie as everyone else . . . and that i get post and views based on the fact that people like my model, not my status . . .
so no, i do NOT agree with you on that matter . . .
if you read my thread carefully, there are actually few ooh's & aah's and a lot of change this change that ;)

as for town down, that's cause you barge in head first talking about things you know nothing about . . . it's not meant as a warning, just a means to an end to keep this thread friendly, since it is indeed a matter that must be spoken about.

I just don't like the fact that you presume things and are prejudiced about moderators and other people of status . . .

rolhionjs

07-13-2002, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by boromir
Maybe one day your skills will be in concurrence or in work together, so i prefer to stop this talk now before i have a bad feeling about some people here... (isn't it .::STRIKE::. ? )

uh ? Personnaly i prefer concurrence than work together if i understood well your sentence and as concerning you... and i don't think i'll made 3D a job if i still understand what you mean, coz i already have one... so no concurrence neither... now you can sleep peacefully... thanks... and i don't care about the fact you could have a bad feeling 'bout me :) :) yes, for sure ! now let's continue my challenge... bye...

DocBoom

07-13-2002, 02:49 PM

It´s all about entertainment. Look at oz´s thread or remember the three musketeer´s during the gods and demons challenge. People want to be entertained and threads full of funny pics jokes get most hits. Reputation does a lot, too. But you can´t (luckily) stop that - "model for the fun of it, but don´t have fun with it..." :shame:

Slot

07-13-2002, 03:08 PM

Hey. If your thread don't get any reply go to a shrink or something.

We are here to learn, maybe some more than others.

My thread have no more than 5 or 6 replies and i'm ok with that, because i'm not expecting anithing from anybody, the only thing I do expect is that everybody do the best on its own thread.

Don't complain that no one comes and pass the hand on your heads. We are all grown up boys, we know what means to get a NO in our face. :shame:

Instead of wasting your time with discussion, try to make what you want better. :airguitar

rizob

07-13-2002, 05:36 PM

whats up guys i'm brand new here, first comp. i can honnestly admit to som c@ck sucking (pascal), only because i have followed his works for a while and think he's a great artist,when he signed on i had to say i apreciate him as an artist and ask for crits on my beast. rather than get bitter about the star treatment i try to bust my ass to beat these pros. these pros also have alot more to live up to, if they suck or something looks like shit then everybody here is gonna see. the mods do get more hits but i'm cool with that, i just think the better people should give more insight and tips on how there achiving that top quality. life isn't fair but us little guys gotta show are tenaciousness, and make these pros worry that we will have their jobs soon. the wow and awsome comments are okay but if you have 25 second to type that bullshit look at the persons work and find something to crit.
if its good say why if it sucks say why.

ive got to say its an honor for me (3d loving student) to compete with noxx, pascal, clark, and everyone else for that matter. it will just make me strive for the best.

i spent my 2 cents, so thats my bubblegum wrapper i found my pockets.
EVERYONE:keep doing what it is you do best
my bob
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12719&pagenumber=4

hypercube

07-13-2002, 05:39 PM

Not to throw fuel on this burning stupidity, but what a load of shit. I haven't 'been' here long, but have read a while before, and I've seen how things work. There are some valid points in there, but that's not the way to make them.

Granted, people get replies based on 'rep'. But it's usually earned rep, and the way people get a rep is to do good work and not be a jerk..a lot of people 'know' each other also from posting in each other's threads or etc. over time and tend to go check out what their friends or people whose work they admire are doing before people they don't know, and maybe post to encourage them. While this can lead to threads dropping back that deserve to be looked at, I don't think this is the popular people's fault, and I don't see a need to bitch in this fashion and deride their artistic ability. Saying anyone gets posts because they're a mod is ridiculous too, because usually someone becomes a mod after they're known here, or post a lot, so the same thing applies.

There are over 200 entries this time, and it's nearly impossible to see them all. I do try and make an effort, but it's ludicrous at this point. I haven't even had time to work on my own thread (hence it's on page 80). The same thing happens in the WIP forum, the Gallery forum, etc. there are so many threads and images and people, how can they possibly all get equal attention? The only way I've seen threads stay alive and at the top is if a lot of people post in them, or the thread starter updates/replies all the time. The more updates, the more views, the more chance people see it, the more comments, etc. that seems the only way to survive. Because of this huge signal to noise ratio, you tend to gravitate towards people's threads that you've seen before. I really don't think there's any way to have some kind of 'ultra-objective' hippie commune when there's human beings involved, people are made to sort things in that fashion automatically. I think you just have to take the whatever-you-consider-good with whatever-you-consider-bad. ('you' meaning anyone, not you specifically.) People are strange.

All that said, there are some one-line-gushing-post epidemics at times, but that's just how it is..unless there's a huge moderator timesink, I don't see a way around it. Some of the Wip/Gallery stuff has been royally hosed because of people going back months and posting "that's cool!!" in 5 star threads that already had hundreds of replies. It makes no sense. But, wtf. As said, the objective is to be entertained, inspired, learn, and why not keep it fun?. People get silly and joke around or are over-enthusiastic, personality comes into play too. I still consider this a 'serious' and 'pro' forum just the same.

Anyway, it's probably too early for me to be writing like this, I should have some caffeine, but have seen lots of posts, and lots of posts like this, and figured I'd say my bit. Whatever.

Equinoxx

07-13-2002, 05:52 PM

Amen to that H-Cube . . . . couldn't have said it better myself [as shown by earlier posts:blush:

Koma

07-13-2002, 05:57 PM

sorry no time to read anything , but i think life is life ,a spielberg movie is not better then another little movie by mr. that no one know ,but spielberg is know by everyone and have talent,so people go see is movie first,so in 3d its the same thing and in all things why watching something like that when you be sure to look at really interesting thing .

And anyway lildragon make a really good job with the thumb ,its how i check thread ,i check the thumbs and go see what seam interesting i dont care about the name and the function .

and sorry but i think this subject is going nowhere

iC4

07-13-2002, 06:02 PM

have to agree with gabe.....I also use the wip thumb page for this

it's just that some people exaggerate with the comments....thats all I wanted to say :)

toxichimp

07-13-2002, 06:36 PM

Hypercube: :eek: now that's the opposite of the one-line epidemic hehe. You can write a book about this stuff ;P

I agree on most things really, exept for the first thing. The point of this thread was, the fact that people with a "rep" get a "Wow that's great" for modelling a cube or just showing a small scetch.
Which is the thing that's a bit unfair, unfortantly you can't change this I think...

And I know it's stupid to talk about this, but obvieusly it's on peoples minds. And needs to be discussed about and worked out.

hypercube

07-13-2002, 06:47 PM

Good point, I should have woken up a bit more first..but then I'd be REALLY long-winded. :rolleyes:

Some of the built-in ooh and ahh can be a little overboard..but, I dunno, they're just kind of anticipating great things..there's certain people it seems like when they join a challenge they should be accompanied by the imperial march from star wars, it spells impending doom. :)

Ah well. Mo' posts, Mo' problems. Keep on truckin'.

P.S. I think the thumbnail page does help out in here TONS, that's a good point, and due kudos to Lil' D..wonder if an auto-thumb system could be worked out for the other forums, once the challenge site's is figured out.

Crode

07-13-2002, 10:57 PM

Yes I agree that a lot of good stuff is getting left in the dust. There are now ~270 entries? Ive read a few threads of people that have just given up because they dont get any feedback.

I myself have had 4 people respond (one was a friend). 7 posts were mine. I even tried giving away money to people responding but it hasnt worked ;) Maybe i need some boobies on my character! Cudos to Zr0-1 for all his posts, i believe he has replied to everyones thread.

I hope you mods consider making a new structure for the challenge on your new site for the massive popularity that has become of this

rickycox

07-14-2002, 03:37 AM

Hey this is an interseting thread, people can talk a bit more freely. My only crit, boromir, you've only had 3 posts and you want to change the system? people that have been around and contribute on a regualr basis have built up this community and deserve whatever attension they get. Stick around a bit longer and then your opinion will be more valid.

dmcgrath

07-14-2002, 04:21 AM

Of course, ZrO-1 is the coolest guy with too much time on his hands here. He is a machine with his posting. If he likes your stuff, take it as a great compliment. He's probably seen most of them. Notice how it also makes his stuff get looked at by more people. Everyone here really just needs the crit and comments. The OHHS and AHHS are going to happen from time to time. But watch out. A few of us might really come after your work and give it a good working over. I enjoy the crits on my own work and love to help when I can with other people's stuff.

pascal_blanche

07-14-2002, 04:22 AM

I know that the next challenge site will be way better... Remember that it started with only 30 guys and now there's more than 120 people in this one... Yes it`s not always fair, yes it need some revisions...But most of the guys who where on every challenge form the beginning have improved their skills a lot ... having experienced guys participating to the challenges add a lot to the motivation I think ;)

erilaz

07-14-2002, 04:58 AM

The only way I've found I can improve my 3d skills is by giving myself a project. These challenges inspire people to become better. Those that give up aren't doing themselves justice. True, it's hard for someone to go through and crit every entry, if you did that, you'd never get any work done! So some may get left in the corner for a while to gather a bit of dust. (I myself limit myself to a few comments a day. If I had something faster than a dial-up connection maybe I'd do more!).

Let's face it, my entry is nowhere near a winner, but it gets a couple of comments now and then, and that motivates me to do better!

I'm just glad this forum exists!:D

ZrO-1

07-14-2002, 06:30 AM

Well here's my 2 cents on this and I hope it resolves some stuff here so everyone can get back to rockin away on their models ;)

Basically it all really boils down to you get what you give....but not right away.
I know how I would like people to reply to my thread so I try and reply to them as I hope they will reply to mine. Many of the people that have replied on my thread did so after I replied to theirs. It's natural, if someone gives you a big crit on your thread you naturally want to go see theirs to see if they're talented or just full of it :D. If you want a crit from someone specific don't be afraid to ask them. Just be sure to show them the same consideration by posting a constructive crit on their piece at the time you ask for a crit. And with the exception of a freak like me who only needs a few hours of sleep a night (and is currently unemployed) don't expect a reply back right away. Many people here only come to the forum when they have an update to post which at most might be every other day.

The most important thing is just be sure to reply in a manner that you want to be replied to. If all you do is show up and say "good work" then don't be pissed if all you get is "good work" back. Even if you like everything you see and can't imagine how it could be better, tell the person why you like it. What have they done that makes it work so well. * on a side note by doing that you will help yourself also by seeing what works and what doesn't*

I don't know it's just my 2 cents on this. NOW lets get back to work shall we? :thumbsup:

three

07-14-2002, 06:39 AM

uh, haven't read through all these post... don't have much time.

what i really reacted to was the whole question about "censoring" ooo ahhh's and Wow's... which is just plain old stupid. why wouldn't anybody on anyone's thread be allowed to say what they think?
sure, i don't get much replies either, but i don't bitch about it.
I'm here to model, and if someone find it cool/aah/wow that's just good. i mean, take a look at the "view"-thing instead, just because you don't get a reply don't mean that no-one's watching.
art's art, and that's it. i mean, it's like this all over... if you get the chance to take a peek at "mona lisa" compared to a painting by some unknown dude from sweden, well, i'd put my money on the mona lisa... that is, i'd rather look at that, even though someone else did it "better" in shorter time and without hands.
everyone can't be famous.
and what's this bs about mod's and more "famous" artists getting more hits? it'd really twist my mind to see my thread get more hits than, say, pascal. i'm unknown, he's known... see the difference?

this is not a Competition, we don't win prices, we don't get a degree and we sure as hell don't get women, beer and cigarettes.

just keep modeling, keep your thread at the top, sometime someone will look at it, if that's what you want. i just want to model.

so, in true celebrity deathmatch spirit...
Let's get it on!

/3

lildragon

07-14-2002, 06:55 AM

Ok I read a good chunk of this thread, and I must say, man you peeps complain about everything... heh

You guys ever stop to think the talented artist here deserve their merit, thru busting their balls day in and day out? It never comes easy to anyone and when they get to the point where they're well known, peeps come down on them, why? I mean it's not Pascal's or Matt's fault they get tons of replies after showing one pic. It's just that they've earned that reputation that allows this...

As for the mod thing that's bogus...

I'm admin here and when I post my work, I'm targeted very hard, I usually get slapped in the face and my star ratings (tho not important) drop to like 2 at times, it goes with the territory and I can handle that, I know when I work hard on something no one can make me feel bad about it ;)

You all just need to settle down, it's a big forum, huge range in age groups and there's not a thing you can do about fanboy posts, how is it possible to stop them? :shrug: Just roll with the punches, work your arse off and maybe someday it'll be you in the limelight, let me hear you complain then!

three

07-14-2002, 06:58 AM

Hear, hear!

:thumbsup:

Roach[MXF]

07-14-2002, 06:40 PM

I feel that the moderators here are the best I have seen on any board. Most would simply lock a thread and tell everyone to shut the hell up, I have no idea what you are all complaining about. We are all lucky to have such skilled moderators. I am going to school to be an animator, and that takes work, so I know they EARNED whatever status they may have. These people are all very good, so what if they are not better than Pascal or whatever. My dad told me once that there is ALWAYS someone better, and that is why you have to try your best always. Anyway I just want to apologize to the moderators for all the disrespect you are getting, maintaing a board and modeling and everything else you must do is tedious and I am ashamed to be among these disrespectful heathens. -Jeremy- :hmm:

l_farley13_l

07-14-2002, 07:24 PM

Just found this thread after 3 days offline [gasp!]

Lil after reading through I was about to mention that - sometimes it goes the other way. I must admit I'm excited by the fact Matt and Pascal are on this challenge again, seeing what they do is great, but I don't think it'll ever be like the first - where we (crappier) peeps could get responses back - that's what made it really exciting.

Thanks a bunch for the thumbnails too - can't wait for the new site.

Anywoo - about the fanboy stuff a quick PM and an addition to the FAQ's might server beter than deleted posts which P people off like no other. Just somthing like -

"Hey []

I admire your ethusiasm when responding to [], but it would be appriciated if you made your comments with constructive critism in mind. It will help keep the threads more professional and focused.

Thanks,

[]"

A form letter in other words- click pm, click the form and send - nothing to it. Just for those more obtrussive comments - not the simple support.

Well those're my thoughts,

Farley13

AJE

07-15-2002, 10:34 AM

I don't have may replies on my challenge thread, and I would hope to get more just for the crits from those artists that I respect on this forum.... but I don't piss and moan about it.

I think the whole concept here is to learn. This is the first challenge I've taken part in. I value the crits both good and bad. Obviously, everyone likes an ego stroke with a 'Wow', or 'Amazing', but I know I prefer actual honest crits.

I can pretty much guarantee you that the mods (when they get time to join the challenges), and strong artists like Pascal, Matt, Fellah, etc... would rather hear honest crits, than pages of 'praise'.

We're all here to learn... and even the stronger artists will admit it. I check out their work to guage where I'm at technically and design-wise... and it helps me better my skills. If I have an idea or am really struck by the concept, I'll voice it, if I don't I won't waste their time.

It's already been said, and I'll say it again... just because you don't get crits doesn't mean your concept is bad, it just means the style you've used may not be for everyone.

JMHO

AJE