Beast of Burden - Character - ila_solomon

[ilasolomon]

these are still very rough & early sketches of course...

[Dave Black]

Neat! Great sketches, dude! Welcome to the challenge!

:buttrock:

[ilasolomon]

all of them are a few minutes sketches, tomorrow i'll try harder!
i hope ! :)

[ilasolomon]

WOW! what a speeedy reply! :) thanx man

[Fetus23]

really nice sketches you got there....bring on the model!

[fellah]

yea, nice concepts! I've seen your models before and they are always very elegant. I hope you take your time and finish this one. work, work, work :wip:

[ZrO-1]

For 5 min sketches those look great. I like the design of your BoB. I imagine this thing as big as a brontosaurus, is that right?

[ilasolomon]

hmmm, yeap...i tought about brachyo, but now may stogo size!

[Chico]

nice stuff ila.
Youre really spitting out the concepts between here and the Co=op Project:thumbsup:

[ilasolomon]

still i am concepting!
what's about a shaggy one?..is it allowed?...or is it possible to do?!?!? :)

[ilasolomon]

more furs!

[Chico]

BTW the hidden charctures on your website...I found the link but it doesnt work..:surprised this was a couple of days ago though:p

[ilasolomon]

but it works for me!:
click on my name placed in top right of main page, then this
link will open up:

http://www.topleftpixel.com/ila_solomon/caric_01.htm

[Chico]

Muhaha, I love them, they Are fantastic.

I found the link a few days ago, but the link was dead...I was understandably dissapointed.
Worth the wait though.
:thumbsup:

[erilaz]

Why did you even bother...

I'LL TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE YOU'RE GREAT!! :thumbsup:
These sketches are really well done. I can't wait for the model!
:bounce:

[ZrO-1]

This challenge's rules say that any hair/fur has to be done in actual geometry. I tried to do some hair in geometry and it was bogging down my system because I had to make so many cones for it to look good. So I'd recomend unless you have somesort of geometry-based hair plugin I'd stay away from it.

Beutifull sketches. They all look fantastic.

[ilasolomon]

well, i'm still drawing....hmmm...
thank you erilaz, you are so kind...but, none of them is good enough:

[ilasolomon]

ok, i'm satiesfied with none of them, i think i must stick with
my sense of FANTASY!....like this one, i like it more than others!
ZrO-1, i forgot the hairs already! :) smooth skin is easier! :thumbsup:

[ilasolomon]

2, 3 hours later:

[ilasolomon]

wire shot:

[Bezerker75]

I like your choice...very comical BOB! are you using Mirai? I know you just started but mabe make the back plates separate objects with folds of skin around them...instead of the same mesh... like below...:thumbsup:

Oh and by the way...very nice concept sketches all around!

[ilasolomon]

Bezerker75, hi :)
thanx for the comments, maybe in modeling progress i change
them, it gives more details to overall looking, but it depends
on the final style.
i use 3dsmax ... i'v not mirai, i like nendo very much, but
unfortunatley some configs couldn't be changed, the viewport arc
rotatation is reverse of the max' also we can't change or modify
the shortcuts. :annoyed: (if nendo has wings3d's abilities!...)


& now more update: needs crits & comments

[AJ]

You know when something is so cute that you just grin at it... :D

Look at his little face! Look! - There isn't a creature in the world that wouldn't go "aaaaawwwwww" facing this fella.

As for the toes - I'd say that more is better, but I'd personally stick to the original 'one toed' shape, maybe just split it in two/three (but the same overall shape).

Coming along nicely! ;)

[ilasolomon]

thanx AJ...i'll try!

[ilasolomon]

hmmm...
???

[iC4]

not sure about the plates

I would do it so: where the plate will be extrude the face, then extrude again but with no translation, only scale it down a bit, and then extrude again until you have your shape....with this way it looks more like an seperate object, but is still smooth

but maybe thats only my way :)

very good character by the way :)

[road]

I like the front hoof the best....

[ilasolomon]

some test!:

[ilasolomon]

& now it's finished...i think!

[ilasolomon]

a render test:

[ilasolomon]

another one:

[ilasolomon]

& now some PRE-VISUALIZATION tests:

[ilasolomon]

...:

[ZrO-1]

Wow Ila, that is friggin fantastic. I think it's kind of funny how so many of yor skecthces were hard and realistic. then the model you decide to go with turns out soft and cartoonish. It's amazing how things work out huh? :D
Well anyway, I think you're doing an amazing job and those pre-vis renders look really cool.

[ilasolomon]

:) hahaha thanx a lot ZrO-1...
yes, i couldn't resist...i'm better in cartoon style i think, leaveing
the realistic style to the masters who are many around :)

[ilasolomon]

chariots & carriages in progress:

[ilasolomon]

props: dig

[ilasolomon]

props: lamp

[ilasolomon]

props: rope

[erilaz]

Probs? What Probs? Or did you mean props? :p

Hold onto this one ila_soloman... you could sell this guy to Sesame Street!
I really love the style. My only crit (and it's hard to tell with the wireframe) is to maybe crease up the dent in that spade a bit more. Looks like its been done over with a blow torch and smoothed out the chinks!

Great work. Is the three nostrils some psychic "third eye" type of thing?
Keep it it up!

:bounce:

Olfactory Ninjas! <-- obscure Squee joke

[ilasolomon]

yis, sari, i min PROPS! tunc yuo!

[ilasolomon]

more of that:

[ilasolomon]

barrel...

[Steve Warner]

Great character, Ila! Makes me want to rush out to Toys 'R Us to get one for my nephew! :) I love the props you've got going. How'd you model that rope?

Steve

[Mattman]

holy smokes you're cookin! how do you model so fast??? i'm goin at a snail's pace now.....

seems like your props are higher rez than your beast? :) nice work

[ilasolomon]

:) haha Steve thanx, i modeled them using polymesh in
3dsmax...
mattman, i took it easy! :) yes they modeled very fast
maybe they look more detailed than the beast but the beast
took 1, 2 days to complete & all the props about 5, 6 hours!
BTW polymodeling in max really is a fast way with help of
MESHTOOLS script tools i think.

[sforsyth]

Love your style, it rocks! :buttrock:

Makes me wanna go and model something cute. It's so nice to see something done like that, very unique, very stylish, very distinctive and very well done. It's hard to know when to stop adding detail sometimes, I think you've got it right in this though.
Congratulations on a great piece, made my day.
:thumbsup:

[ilasolomon]

thank you sforsyth :) you are so kind...

It's hard to know when to stop adding detail sometimes

me too...still i don't know how much detail i need!...example:

[mv]

that's so good! stylish.

[ilasolomon]

merci m@. :)

hooks:

[ilasolomon]

& some part of harness:

[mv]

question: do you references for creating those props or have you got a big object-lore?

[mv]

I mean: do you have refs.

[ilasolomon]

no, no refrences, they are fiction...just trying to remember
what the props may look like. coz i wanted to model very fast,
i didn't pick up any ref...using memory! :p

[ilasolomon]

heh! i liked this:

[ilasolomon]

test render:

[ilasolomon]

another:

[ilasolomon]

How'd you model that rope?

few circle splines attached > loft (with twist) > FFD

[Virtuoso]

You can talk about how it's done forever.................But the bottomline is this is very original and clean, fun and in-depth, very nice job iLa_Solomon..................:beer: :)

[ilasolomon]

:beer:

[samtimes]

ilooshka,
You always make me jealous :insane:
Your models are excellent, and are great from both from technical and artistic points of view.
You rock, as always.
The only thing that I can say is, your beast might have a balancing problem, and fall on his nose once in a while!:) If the back legs were a little shorter, or the Head a little smaller or shorter, he might walk with more ease;) I understand that it's a cartoon character, so everything's possible. You should probably keep it as it is.

Your only problem is: you should practice QUAKE more, so you don't get beaten by me all the time! :scream: (how about some Medal of Honor?)

Shervin ke chap o rast dare mimire, delam kheili barash misouze! :twisted:

Sam

[ilasolomon]

fall on his nose once in a while

:) haha, maybe...but his head is empty!...POOK e...& his sh-i-t...heavy! :)

so you don't get beaten by me all the time!

hey people, he's a lier, don't believe him!

***

p.s.: "magar inke zooert be oon shervin e bichareh berese!"

[ZrO-1]

Great work on all of the props. They look fantastic.

[ilasolomon]

should i change or rebuild the poor BEAST?! :)
this is the human/owner head:

[ilasolomon]

& i think i must switch to vray!:

[ilasolomon]

some details:

[ilasolomon]

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[ilasolomon]

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[ilasolomon]

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[PlebianX]

:) I really like your style! Can we get some more wireframe views?

[Zardoz]

i'm amazed with this forum. I'm new here and i have a tought about everyone here: I THINK YOU ARE ALL CRAZY!!! the amount of detail every beast has, all the concepts,...Everybody in this forum are great! awesome modelers! with all of you ice age and monsters inc could have been done in less than a month!! Great work.

[ilasolomon]

thank you men! :) :beer:

Can we get some more wireframe views?

yes, which ones?...just tell me!

[YoGoLo]

I like your style because cartoon and realism are closer and well married !
nice work on the details, I think that I'll follow your work now :bounce:

[ilasolomon]

:) haha thank you YoGoLo... my work is a tribute to
great french comic artist Jean Moebius Giraud....also to
M.C Escher... you see!
thanx to them.

[ilasolomon]

a 'LIT-el' update!:

[ilasolomon]

the human's head

[ilasolomon]

human, medieval , fig. 1:

[ilasolomon]

human, medieval, fig. 2:

[ilasolomon]

harness previz test #1:

[ilasolomon]

harness previz test #2:

[Crash]

No critique here, just waiting to see more off your works. I like the cartoonish look very much :beer: .

[ilasolomon]

:) thanx
more:

[ilasolomon]

well well well...a staging test...:

[ilasolomon]

...& a posing test...i hate that CS biped skeleton but atleast
it's fast for rigging & posing some basic poses! :)
hey, 16 more posts then i'll got the number of the beast! :twisted:

[Virtuoso]

A real pleasure to look upon. A toon looking creation set in a real world location.............Fun and clean work ila...........:beer:


By the way................I see you are using V-ray, is it better for GI in your opinion then Brazil, or about the same??? Thanks for any tips and for showing your creations...........:applause: :)

[ilasolomon]

Virtuoso thanx a lot pal :)
u see i use VRAY for landscape coz it's fast but i use brazil for
more quality (for example, that human character)
for the final rendering i think i will go for VRAY for it's fabulous
fast GI rendering engine, i wish i could use brazil!

- brazil demo= slow, limited to 1k size, noisy)
- vray demo= fast, no limit, render 4k image very fast, no noticable
noises, but uncutable watermarks(!!), (this is aweful):annoyed:

[erilaz]

Wow Ila solomon! Really come a long way since it's conception! :thumbsup:

I actually prefered the blue look to beast rather than the yellow, but this works just as well! :D

[ilasolomon]

some/final/detail/rendered/test/images/....:1

[ilasolomon]

some/final/detail/rendered/test/images/....:2

[ilasolomon]

some/final/detail/rendered/test/images/....:3

[ilasolomon]

some/final/detail/rendered/test/images/....:4

[Virtuoso]

Overall one of the best in a very good field for this challenge................In-depth and fun with tons of character.....:applause: :thumbsup:


By the way iLa.................Thanks for the advice and info on the renders...........:beer:

[ilasolomon]

& NOW, a semi-final pic:
http://www.topleftpixel.com/ila/temp/bob/stage_04b copy.jpg

the original image is more saturated & 2048x1536 in size.
render time: ~30 min with vray 1.08

[ilasolomon]

Virtuoso :beer:

[Fetus23]

thats just beautiful..:beer: ..this image looks like such a great story and id like to know more about it...i feel a glow coming on


:xtreme:

[fellah]

this one is in my taste! the "inhabitants" looks superb and the whole picture is really relaxing to look at.
maybe it would be even better if you added some DOF to the image to give it more depth.
the yellow guy's walkPose is really great to, good work :thumbsup:

[MikaelPersson]

Are you not kidding with us? Making clay models and claiming them to be CG?

I am in awe of the organic feel of the surfaces of your models. Are you going over everything by hand? Or is it some kind of displacement?

It is the first time I use this guy: :bowdown: , you do deserve it.
Have you considered to give us a view down a street or ally? Now it really looks like a set. That is good, if that was your intention. But would it not give more depth if we could look and see a few more layers of houses in the background?

WOW

[ilasolomon]

Fetus23 :) thank you, maybe i find a story for that!
fellah, you know yours is one of my favorites! we have a
common sense in comic & cartoon! :) about dof, i'll try that.
Mikael P. thank u pal, u r so kind, i did all stuff with poly +
meshsmooth, no displace map used, i used noise modifier on
some models for clay looking...& every thing is pure polymesh!
well, it is not a real set, just 2 rows of rooms in left & front...
i'm affraid it's against the rules if i make a complex env. set!

anyway, this is the final pic, i think, the original pic is 1536x864
(this is 1024x512)

http://www.topleftpixel.com/ila/temp/bob/final_00 copy2.jpg

[tubby]

thats really impressive!wow, it really does look like clay models or something. i really believe the world you created, like these guys are really there walkin around.great work!!

[ilasolomon]

& hires:

http://www.topleftpixel.com/ila/temp/bob/final_00 copy.jpg

[ilasolomon]

thanx a lot tubby :beer:

[MikaelPersson]

Simply amazing. I know who to vote for now.
You have such a hand made feel to everything. It doesnt look as rigid as CG usually does. I have to watch and learn.

[ilasolomon]

:beer:
hey mikael, u r the 'el draco' guy! now i remember, i like
your dragon very much, after seeing that i really wanted to
make a cartoonish dragon but this challenge got my all free times!
but i'll do make a dragon like what you did! ;)

[MikaelPersson]

Thank you! hm. yes :) Those cartoon characters are nice. Nice to see that I have spread inspiration. I wonder how he would have looked walking by your scene ;)

[Koma]

amazing works ,the modelling is nice the render nice ,incredible job .......:buttrock:

[Mandrake]

When I first saw color renders I wanted to jump into the
monitor. Beautiful renders in s beautiful world.

Just add a slight touch of inperfections on those roofs (on the
vehicle thing dont know the right word ) and it will be perfect:applause:

[swag]

i like it - it looks like a tv spot in the kiddy-channel - very nice rendering here vray rocks - i want it for maya :)

[ilasolomon]

Gabe thank you :)
Mandrake, you are so kind, thank you, you are right
about the chariots, they are too clean (compare to other things)
if i got time i'll modify them, but it's 3th of august now! :)
i like your bob very much, it's perfect.
swag :beer:

[PlebianX]

WOW! It's really amazing! I'd love to see it animated, I think it would rock in motion... ;0)

[Drongo Stabbins]

Really like this Mr. Solomon!
Just perfect!:thumbsup:

[Pancreas]

I loove this piece, colors, models... everything! Nice composition, the clay effect is superb on the beast!
I think the houses should be more colorful and "organic", but as you´ve said is just the environment.

Thanks for the hi res image! ;)

[Artifex]

I really would dig this as a show. Top noch design and colors! Congrast!!

[ZrO-1]

:eek: Holy Crap!!! :eek:
Ila, that looks abolutely friggin amazing! There is so much going on, and the colors are so playfull. The characters (all of them) are awesome. I love the environment you made as well.
Unbelievably awesome work. :applause: :applause:

[ilasolomon]

hey people, you are great! thanx!
then, i have a new final render & some fresh new mono-tone
from another angle:

http://www.topleftpixel.com/ila/temp/bob/final_01b_fog+dof copy2.jpg

http://www.topleftpixel.com/ila/temp/bob/final_01b_fog+dof copy.jpg

http://www.topleftpixel.com/ila/temp/bob/final_02_mono1 copy.jpg

http://www.topleftpixel.com/ila/temp/bob/final_02_mono2 copy.jpg

so i think these are the last pics that i uploaded, here i must
give my thanx to everybody who gave me crits, suggestions,
kind words, helps & usefull nice comments! i enjoyed very
much!
hey, it's the 666th, the number of the beast post, as i promised!

:beer:

[MikaelPersson]

I´ll say it once more WOW. You´ve lent me loads of inspiration to go on creating stuff myself. Thank you! Would be fun to see how you would animate this scene. It asks to be animated.

[ilasolomon]

It asks to be animated.

OH! please,...don't ask!... i'm Sooo tired, it's a ~750'000 polygons
scene, bad rigged body characters, with many moving chains & i
am only one!!!

[ilasolomon]

eh, i forgot to post this!:

http://www.topleftpixel.com/ila/temp/bob/final_02c copy.jpg

[fellah]

animation, animation, animation! ;) j\k

really nice, it gots the kinda "story telling" feeling over it, great thing with the dof to!
hope to see you enter the next challenge



*edit*
argh, humpf what? "render time 5mins"??? "vray" must be really fast if you're serious! cool.. :)

[JJ3d]

WOW! NICE!!!!!!

cool colors! great modeling! concept!

:buttrock:

[pit]

This is so cute !!!! Absolutely amazing - congratz on this superb work.
The quality of your renderings is breathtaking!!

[ilasolomon]

thanx a lot fellah, JJ3d, pit :beer:

[huh?]

funny.. if start with the first page of this thread you'd expect a big bulgy bob.
And then if you skip straight to the last page... it looks really clayish. and cute

great.

[Maxko]

superb render.... nice atmosphere :)

[ZrO-1]

Originally posted by ZrO-1
:eek: Holy Crap!!! :eek:
Ila, that looks abolutely friggin amazing! There is so much going on, and the colors are so playfull. The characters (all of them) are awesome. I love the environment you made as well.
Unbelievably awesome work. :applause: :applause:
I said it before and I'll say it again. Also I really love your use of DOF. I think this is one of the few pieces that I've seen where DOF actually works in the scene. I like the new colors, I can't tell for sure what you did to them, but they look even better than before.
Really spectacular work!

[DanielWichterich]

In my opinion your contribution is the most special one! It looks very different from all the others and I think its a winner! I just love it!

[mv]

Cool! Very nice it finally came a magnificent way in very particular style. Cheers.

[ilasolomon]

huh?, Maxko, Stange, m@., thank you friends :) cheers
ZrO-1 thank you very much pal, :) you are so kind, about
that colors i did nothing but a little desaturation in photoshop!
vray output a vivid colors then i have to desaturate them in PS.

[ilasolomon]

coz i don't like a page without a picture, then i put some:
old photo!

[Lorenzo]

I'm same in the Wilow movie, just fantastic, yes,
that's the words.
:eek: :applause: :love:

[ilasolomon]

i really like this one, an indoor (studio/plato) scene:


http://www.topleftpixel.com/ila/temp/bob/final_03_studio copy.jpg


also i rendered a shot without skylight, then i got more contrast:


http://www.topleftpixel.com/ila/temp/bob/final_03 copy.jpg

[Virtuoso]

:love: :applause:


One of the stars of the very good challenge, you have a beautiful creation with this ila.........I have enjoyed it from the beginning.And those last renders are even better,...........Those little guys are sure busy,they look to be going on an adventure, I sure would like to see them on it, I like the whole packing and getting ready to go aspect, nice touch to the whole scene.See you soon I hope.................:beer: :)

[rok]

Really liked the whhole thread.

Where did you find the old photo ? Is it dated ????

Stunning work............

[ilasolomon]

thank you Virtuoso :)
rok, thanks a lot, the photo is a daguerreotype that has
been taken in 1899, somewhere in south-east of el Poupea,
taken by a tourist who was in a trip there, his name was
sergeant major jerry cournelius! (©jean 'moebius' giraud)...
(the story continues...) :)

[samtimes]

ila,
This is absolutely amazing stuff. You just keep outdoing yourself, and that's what I love about your stuff.

Excellent work.

BTW, how did you get that CLAY look for your models? did you manually manipulated the polygons, or is it a secret?;)

Keep rockin'

Sam

[zenzmurfy]

That is so cool! especially pig beast #9! it's sooo cute! Pig designs are usually a lot of fun.

[Twofy]

Hum... Sorry for this post but... I though that this challenge set its main topic about the Beast and so... Yes you've made a very beautifull scene and its burden has a lovely look! But... The beast don't really has aspect of your sketch... Oh, I'm so sorry! It was a so beautifull sketch and you've done a cool Beast but I think there's a lack of details on it...

Could you give him something more... amazing? :hmm:

But my congratulations for the scene's ambiance! That's great colors! :buttrock:

[ilasolomon]

how did you get that CLAY look for your models?

:) thanx sampixelipulator!
some parts: noise modifier, some manually...no secret!
just order me to send you the whole scene, boss!

I though that this challenge set its main topic about the Beast and so...

hmmm, the assignment says Beast + Borden, i think the
challenge has 2 parts, the beast, & the contraption...but i put
both of them in one scene, coz i think it has no meaning to
seperate them (i mean my set of beast of burden, not others)
anyway, i'm not insist to be judged!!!
& thanx for kind words! :)

[Twofy]

I'm very happy to see that you get my little critism from the right side. You're a gentleman!:buttrock:
And I repeat : I'm only a coder so my piece of advice is very... on the floor level... :annoyed:

Good luck for the contest!

[ilasolomon]

you are always welcome friend...& you said you are a coder?
hey i like men like you, without coders there was no CG at all!
i used to code in basic & assebmly, but it was a very long time
ago!!! :) (with my commodore 64, aah, what days we had, baby!)

[rok]

Yeah me too.

ZX81, Vic20, C64 and finally Amstrad - which absolutely ruled graphics wise - 16 colors you see :buttrock: :buttrock:

[Twofy]

without coders there was no CG at all!

You're right! We give a "real time life" to your work ;)

My favorite language is C/C++ (OGL,MFC,DX8 the two last suckz but I do with what I have :scream: ) but I know Delphi, SmallTalk Squeak, and some database script as SQL, PL/SQL. I'll don't say that I know GW-Basic because I code with it 15 years ago on my Beast of Burden : Amstrad 1512 (512Ko RAM, no HDD, 2 floppy 5'1/4 video card CGA with no RAM 4 colors! ;o)

Arf! I stop here! :)

See U soon

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