PDA

View Full Version : Machineflesh 2D Challenge Entry: Patrick Wong


Selvagem
04-16-2004, 10:51 AM
Patrick Wong has entered the Machineflesh 2D Challenge.

Selvagem
04-16-2004, 11:20 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082114453_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082114453_large.jpg)

I'm a rookie. That being said, my hope is to get some feedback, try and work with this and see what i come up with.

Here's the initial concept sketch.

The idea is techno-archane. Technology comes in many forms. All come from traditions. One chooses the organic route, defining the world according to mystical energies that are understood and taught through vague and unquantifiable oral traditions. The other is cold and clinical, prefering to allow the gods to speak through power sources, grease, axles and steel.

[i haven't decided yet if the mystic practitioner is a he or she yet...]

Selvagem
04-16-2004, 11:44 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082115845_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082115845_large.jpg)

initial idea was to do a cyber guy with a big arm.

[i just saw hellboy! WOO!!]

of course a bit of thought went into the logistics of a dude trying to carry an arm at least twice the size of his normal arm.. which would require reinforcment on the ribcage...

and then i just thought it was silly unless it was made of some serious polymers...

and besides.. everyone is going to do it.

so perhaps common sense got the better of me and i decdied against it in favour of the above...

Selvagem
04-16-2004, 11:46 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082116016_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082116016_large.jpg)

hrm... have to edit this post because i uploaded a different image.

oh well.

so after thinking it through even further if your going to do cybernetics, you might as well just nix flesh altogether... which is NOT the point of this challenge... no need for meat in this case. I probably coulda just did a picture of this hanging off a meat hook. that'dve been appealing.

Selvagem
04-16-2004, 11:53 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082116433_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082116433_large.jpg)

so in reality this is the SECOND of the series of concepts before i settled on the VERY top image...

the first image i thought about was the arm... then i progressed to this image... and then i progressed to the idea of full body cyber.

and of course the end one because what would be the point in having flesh anymore unless you NEEDED it for something silly like arcane arts.

ah.. .which brings me to a minor explaination of this image...

of course it took me a little while to get off the direction of "big cyber guy with arm"

because once i got to thinking about reinforcment on the ribcage, well of course he'd need legs to pull him around

but ultimately in building a cyber guy, what a total waste of resources... who needs that much bulk... i'd rather be a stump...

perhaps not.

:P

Selvagem
04-16-2004, 01:27 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082122027_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082122027_large.jpg)

definitely decided she's a lady. need to start worrying about the "arcane elements" and "Techno elements" of the background soon...

but mostly concentrated on the face for now...

SideAche
04-16-2004, 06:16 PM
Nice job! I like the girl better too. I also like how you moved her from staring straight at us to about a 7/8 frontal. That says a lot more than the first drawing. Good luck!

Selvagem
04-18-2004, 06:59 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082271556_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082271556_large.jpg)

hrm... can anyone tell me some good tutorials on how to go further with the colouring?... suppose i'll figure it out in the next few days...

Selvagem
04-18-2004, 12:06 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082290000_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082290000_large.jpg)

i really ought to sleep more... but here's something...

just playing around... wish i knew more as to what i was doing with photoshop...

Selvagem
04-19-2004, 09:18 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082366308_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082366308_large.jpg)

revised the hand... i just liked the idea of symmetry. pah. i dunno. a little dodging... yes i know its a bad choice... ought to add colour instead of tone.. later.

dloots
04-19-2004, 10:10 AM
Your work is really coming along, dig the line work very crisp. Dodging can give you quite a nice effect if you use it on certain things like skin tone, so don't give up on the dodging

Really looking cool

:cool:

SideAche
04-19-2004, 03:06 PM
Hey bud, It's looking real good. My vote is for adding color and tone, not just tone. Eventhough I like the dodge and burn tool, I use it sparringly, it sometimes leaves a character looking lifeless and plastic. Your work is one to watch. Keep it coming:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

EdmX
04-19-2004, 04:59 PM
ae SELVAGEMMMMM DO CARALHO...

nice work so far buddy...
keep on going...wanna see that stuff done....

:buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:

yeahhhhhh......


ate mais

Blackarts
04-20-2004, 04:54 PM
in terms of coloring try not to get trapped into the 'coloring book' mentality of doing it peice by peice. Try sticking your colors on a multiple layer and just start splashing color around. Try working with dark colors first, then build up areas of light to define your forms. don't worry about details at all, just try to get some nice loose strokes and colors happening. Keep going man, your sketches show potential.

cheers!

Selvagem
04-23-2004, 10:42 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082716956_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082716956_large.jpg)

lessee... lowered the arms, tried some blurr on them... not terribly sure how effective that was, but i think if i have any problems with it later, it shouldn't be too hard to correct... did ALOT of detailing on the face although it might not show here... because i went through 3 different files... [always remember to SAVE with good name conventions when you think your making progress... i DIDN'T remember)... and i'm thinking a bit about the costume.. am i bored of it? do i want more... i'm kind of annoyed at the pose.. gonna have some green or blue flames around the hands...

something nice and glowstick like... and i PROBABLY should've done the background first, but what the hey... i'm still learning workflow...

did i mention i'm a rookie?

this is really the first time i've really played with photoshop like this...

btw if you like it and are a person of influence for the love of god hire me..
willing to work for room and board.. :P

Selvagem
04-25-2004, 09:06 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082883964_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082883964_large.jpg)

well.. what can i say... i been killing myself trying to find a workflow on the colouring. i think i've finally done it. naturally in between all this, i had a whole bunch of WIP pieces that just looked like ass... and then suddenly, i started working on this file today and felt i had it going on.

wierd.

all this and i broke up with a girl..

:(

[ah yes... forgot to mention that i decided to change the face back to the head on direction.. i dunno.. part of me liked the original pose for the upper body]

I still have to resolve the lower half of her now... mb i'll go back to line art on that. also i'm finding that the technology end of it is starting to overpower everything. i still want that aspect of occult in there so i suppose later on i'll start rendering on another layer a necklass of ears or mini skulls or something...

this is probably taking longer than it should. [keep telling yourself it'll take half the time next time]

FEEDBACK PLEASE!

Selvagem
04-26-2004, 12:11 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082981458_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1082981458_large.jpg)

still getting a feel. i kind of understand now after playing a bit with the layers how its silly to play with details when you could fudge it all with layers and make it look better in the process.

at any rate, changed the pose.. think i'm settling on this one...

[yes i know its kinda bad that i changed it at all in the first place... but the initial drawing wasn't detailed enough [know that now] to set down a good pose... whatever... fine now.. .i'll know better for next time]

Selvagem
04-28-2004, 05:37 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1083130668_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1083130668_large.jpg)

fleshed out some of the details... just realized now i have to darken up some points on [her perspective] right shoulder or arm... but otherwise. developing nicely i think.

next thing i plan to do is finish fleshing out the legs [boots?... mmmm tasty kneehighs mb]... and then on to background with the whole techno-mystic lab of hers...

mb i'll change the skirt to skin tight pants or something... pah. i dunno yet.

Selvagem
05-03-2004, 08:09 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1083614942_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1083614942_large.jpg)

haven't really been doing much lately.. got busy with life.

:(

but all good... i think i'm done banging most of her main attributes out... now for the legs and fixing these big crazy things on her back in terms of colour...

i think i'll put a big cowskull in behind her...

thats sufficiently tribalistic for the theme..

either that or a whole bunch of mini minions with evil grins crowding up behind her...

gotta think about it...

Selvagem
05-20-2004, 10:15 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1085048112_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1085048112_large.jpg)

very odd.. i seem to have lost some posts n' stuff related to this... and replies...

[thats disappointing]

oh well.. sort of makes me look better in some ways but to tell you the truth this has all fallen to the wayside for $$$ in my case.. i've done a little retouching... matching colour to face as suggested by a friend. i've also been considering from HERE as a transition to maybe play around with the creature elements a bit.. mb move them higher up or shrinking them or something for the sake of composition.

hrmhrm.. but i'm a bit happier with the pose.

dammit.. its too bad i lost all those replies... thats so disappointing...

Selvagem
06-03-2004, 06:14 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1086286470_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1086286470_large.jpg)

bah.. my wacom is on the fritz... won't get it back for at least a week... oh well.. suppose i won't finish this now.

we'll see if i can do this purely with the mouse...

that may be better either way... anyway

blocked out a few things.. thought of a new place holder to balance the image out...

creature and borg familiars for the little lady...

hephez
06-04-2004, 12:23 PM
Yes! continue with the mouse!! That would be damage to stop now. :shrug:
the face of the woman very is successful :thumbsup:

Selvagem
06-05-2004, 01:03 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1086397386_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1086397386_large.jpg)

hrm... odd

i seem to be making way better headway without the tablet...

freaky

Selvagem
06-07-2004, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by hephez
Yes! continue with the mouse!! That would be damage to stop now. :shrug:
the face of the woman very is successful :thumbsup:

wow.

thats nice of you to say. i appreciate the good vote thank you!

Selvagem
06-07-2004, 10:35 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1086647747_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1086647747_large.jpg)

updated robot... details etc... should get to finishing legs and background.. mb make mr.monsterman a bit grittier with some filters or something...

i dunno.. any recommendations?

[remember i'm using only mouse from here cuz my tablet is totally fritzed...]

hephez
06-08-2004, 06:45 AM
I am glad to see that you continuous, in spite of the "disaster". :thumbsup:
I think that in a drawing like that, it will be good that the elements which " do not have importance " are treated most simply possible. Can be fuzzy. As did it the Frazetta Master... :rolleyes:
In this way, that will give more intensity in the detailed parts... And that will spare your hand! :applause:

I will follow the continuation with attention. :bounce:

Selvagem
06-09-2004, 10:46 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1086821164_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1086821164_large.jpg)

slowlyslowly...

i think i have tinkered out the main elements that i want to now..

its all detailing from here..

Selvagem
06-10-2004, 08:01 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1086854465_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1086854465_large.jpg)

sleep now...

Selvagem
06-12-2004, 01:36 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1087004168_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1087004168_large.jpg)

progress..

hrm

thanks for all the feedback...
:P

i'm glad to see what i'm doing is as interesting as it is..

Falcorr
06-13-2004, 05:11 PM
Hey atleast i have been watching over your thread from the beginning! So there has been few people interested atleast:D

I think that your sketching shows potential, but man youre technique is straight from the stone age!

You have to learn better techniques, but i dont think you have time to do that for this competition. My suggest for you is to stop thinking of hitting the jack pot from the start.. Draw the your whole picture with every elements in, but with quality you feel like its soo easy. Thats the easy and fast way to begin your stuff.

Looks like you have been having lots of problem coloring wise. What if you would try cartoon colors next time? Just lay one base color for each shape and think of only one light aread and one shadow area.. That way you will get the look down more quickly.
When you get more comfortable you could try adding steps from 3 color tones to 10 or so..

But thats only theory. Go check out my struggle with my own machine flesh entry maybe you see ive been struggling a lot too!

I wish you good luck! You can make it Selvagem! :buttrock:

remember im just babbling im no pro :blush:

Selvagem
06-13-2004, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by Falcor_
Hey atleast i have been watching over your thread from the beginning! So there has been few people interested atleast:D

I think that your sketching shows potential, but man youre technique is straight from the stone age!

You have to learn better techniques, but i dont think you have time to do that for this competition. My suggest for you is to stop thinking of hitting the jack pot from the start.. Draw the your whole picture with every elements in, but with quality you feel like its soo easy. Thats the easy and fast way to begin your stuff.

Looks like you have been having lots of problem coloring wise. What if you would try cartoon colors next time? Just lay one base color for each shape and think of only one light aread and one shadow area.. That way you will get the look down more quickly.
When you get more comfortable you could try adding steps from 3 color tones to 10 or so..

But thats only theory. Go check out my struggle with my own machine flesh entry maybe you see ive been struggling a lot too!

I wish you good luck! You can make it Selvagem! :buttrock:

remember im just babbling im no pro :blush:

wow... what a kick in the nuts and just when nearing the end...

you know... the problem from the beginning was clearly the stone age thing. I think i mentioned that... but i think when cgtalk crashed it deleted a few entries.. i dunno.... you can clearly see from the whole thread that I would've liked clearer direction on technique from the beginning... wish i had gotten a reply like this WAAAAAAAAY earlier...

but i think I also personally mentioned that i have to get better design element from the beginning tho... totally realized a long while ago.. but of course no-one really said anything so all i could do was putter on my merry way and try and bang some shit out...

i have to admit tho i'm happy that at least my stuff doesn't look as bad as some of the other stuff i've seen... i'm not doing hot i realize, but there are elements that are succeeding... i think jumping into all this balls first was the entire point... so that i could get someone to say something like that and fricking get some help on different technical approaches...

geeeezus.

:P

oh well.. i suppose i can hope i'll finish something...

hey man... totally thanks fro the reply!

Falcorr
06-14-2004, 05:15 AM
Just trying to be supportive of you :thumbsup:

Only few days left! :beer: I hope that your current technique has gotten better since youve been using it for about two months now :)

Selvagem
06-14-2004, 11:40 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1087256448_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1087256448_large.jpg)

i think i'm almost there now... we'll see how i feel about it...

dammit.. i was gonna go for coffee and now i don't have time before i have to go to the martial arts class..

i wonder if they'll stick me to teaching today again without telling me.

pah

i coudl use that coffee... but i think this image was worth it

Selvagem
06-18-2004, 08:09 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1087546165_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1087546165_large.jpg)

well.. almost there... i'm starting to feel its almost final... maybe tweak the hair a bit more... maybe play with a few of the layers to make it better as a composition...

but all and all i'm happy with how it looks...

if i put a little "machine flesh" logo somewhere it might work as a nice little cover.

but considering this is the first time i've done anything like this, gotten pretty minimal feedback and whatever, i must say this has been quite a nice learning experience and i'm happy with the product...

eupee
06-18-2004, 10:29 AM
hey man , i feel your pain :thumbsup:

this is cool, but can i say theres too much contrast in the colours?

this is coming from someone who is in the same boat as you mate, ive entered this competition with a knowledge of photoshop but i have never really put it into practice with a digital illustration (finished at least) ove onl brushed over incomplete and un satisfactory work until this comp.

check it out if you want: http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1393247#post1393247


but this is good for a first attempt. Well done!!!

hephez
06-18-2004, 12:13 PM
I like much the turn that that took!! :thumbsup: :buttrock:
Mouse rock! :thumbsup:

Selvagem
06-18-2004, 05:41 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1087580498_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1087580498_large.jpg)

well.. i think thats it... i have a few hours.. any comments would be great...

Falcorr
06-18-2004, 05:51 PM
Much better color choices now :)

Thats it you have found your technique!
Go bonkers! :bounce: Then calm down your artwork to level you feel comfortable!

Just watch out my roundhouse on the nuts next time ok? :cry:
:thumbsup:

use every drop of time left.. amaze yourself!

Selvagem
06-18-2004, 09:29 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1087594149_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3342/3342_1087594149_large.jpg)

well.. 2 and a half hours from deadline and i'm pooped. i need a coffee and groceries and more.. so i'm going to go kick that...

this was fun...

Selvagem
06-18-2004, 10:41 PM
i've finally uploaded the final image

looks like i've learned a few hard lessons

1.always expect print resolution...

oh well..

i think tho that regardless i'm going to continue pottering around with this one for web resolution just for the hell of it... i mean there are always more details i can add, always more things i can learn about filters and the like... its been useful for sure...

now where the hell is the next challenge...

:D!

rol56
06-20-2004, 04:57 PM
impressive work really like the colors

EdmX
06-20-2004, 06:07 PM
ae selvagemmmmm....
certo..nice to see your finish work..
let īs see waht happens now...
good luck

hephez
06-21-2004, 02:17 PM
Congratulation!! :applause:
I knew that you could do it! :thumbsup:

AddictionJunkie
06-21-2004, 04:35 PM
Hey Pat, Sweet picture.

You're sketches are nice... but I'm wondering when you're going to be posting some 3d.

Good Luck!

Selvagem
06-21-2004, 07:29 PM
Hey Pat, Sweet picture.

You're sketches are nice... but I'm wondering when you're going to be posting some 3d.

Good Luck!
haha...

i was wondering when one of you guys was going to accost me on that one...

well.. the plan is to eventually combine the workflow. but i want to get good with this too.. develop my sketching skills a bit more.

but yes..

i will

[clearly i've become a fan of Pascal Blanche... so it'll happen don' you worry yo' pretty ol' head about dat ya'?!]

Cameo
06-25-2004, 11:16 PM
Congrats on finishing your piece Pat. Looking back through the thread though I'm surprised you ditched the whole mechana background thing you had going on earlier because that was looking great. Though I must admit I dont remember it being like that initially. Did you go back and play with it after the server crash?

Although its too late for the comp I'd be tempted to try adding that back in to what you've got now and see how it would have turned out.

Anyway good stuff mate. Good luck!

CGTalk Moderation
01-18-2006, 01:00 AM
This thread has been automatically closed as it remained inactive for 12 months. If you wish to continue the discussion, please create a new thread in the appropriate forum.