Severe rendering problems.

[mikeh64]

2 lights with soft shadows
cube with material - animated movement
sphere with material - animated movement
floor
30 frames
save as quicktime

rendered at 5700x600

I'm on the 16th frame so far with no problems

OSX 10.3.2
dual 1 gig G4
1500 mb ram
C4D 8.5

[brammelo]

Maxon Germany and UK will probably be closed on monday - Easter, you know.

Cheers,
BaRa

[tcastudios]

Originally posted by mikeh64
2 lights with soft shadows
cube with material - animated movement
sphere with material - animated movement
floor
30 frames
save as quicktime

rendered at 5700x600

I'm on the 16th frame so far with no problems


Thanks. Would you please try to render to tga picture series? I forgot to mention that.
Also, highest AA (Best, Still Picture)

Thanks for your help.

Lennart

[mikeh64]

OK

- now rendering TGA picture series
- best AA

cranking right along without a hitch- now on frame 16

have you tried specifying a new save destination? maybe a different drive?

m

[tcastudios]

Originally posted by mikeh64
OK

- now rendering TGA picture series
- best AA

cranking right along without a hitch- now on frame 16

have you tried specifying a new save destination? maybe a different drive?

m

Thanks for testing. I´ll try a new savepath Monday. All these crashing is on the G5´s. I´ll try my G4 now tonight and see.

The crashing behaviour is very much the same as the crashes I get now and then when clicking/adjusting a material. I´ve reported that to Maxon and they know about it but can´t repeat it....
The computor is doing heavy diskthings (a lot of clicking from the drives for a couple of seconds) then dives. That happends both on G4´s and G5´s since R8.2.

Cheers and thanks
Lennart

[tcastudios]

Now I´m getting worried. A 5700x600 render did not crash Cinema on this first try-but. And this have happend on the G5´s as well.

Some sort of OpenGL wierdness.
Please look at the pics.
I have Hardware OpenGL turned on.

Lennart

[tcastudios]

And a closeup.

Lennart

[tcastudios]

Guess what...
Cinema crashed when I closed the app........
I need some serious talk with Maxon I guess.

Lennart

[wuensch]

I would advise you to try to encircle the problem zone, is it totally related to the size of the render or does zthat happen with--say half size, too?
Is the artifact gone when switching off OpenGL? (OGL should have no effect on the rendering).
Cannot confirm anything like that from my (OPC) experience.
Have you tried to render without PlugIns?
Maybe the same scene without Materials? or lights?
all that to nail the bugger.
Olli

[dann_stubbs]

Originally posted by tcastudios
Guess what...
Cinema crashed when I closed the app........
I need some serious talk with Maxon I guess.

Lennart

that corruption smells like either bad ram or another hardware issue to me.

boot from the G5 DVD and hold the option key - that will give you a choice to boot and run the hardware test - and you can run the ram test among others.

dann

[imashination]

Originally posted by tcastudios
Cinema crashed when I closed the app........

Which plugins do you have installed? especially any old ones made by Paul Everett.

[tcastudios]

Thanks for all and any input.
Olli- It does render if I split the scene. thats how I started this project, with three cameras comped in AE for "suround" pictures/movies. It was when I started making "one camera scenes" at 5700x600 this started.
So it -seems- as if it is size related.

dann-stubs- RAM, That was one of my thoughts as well. But it happends on six different machines...
5 G5´s and a G4
I also have replaced the RAM in the main machine.

imashination- Yup, this is my mission for today (Happy Easter.....) I´ll take out all my plugins and put it in one by one. And yes, I have some old Paul plugins. Would you know any particular suspect?

Does anyone have any problems with his newer ones as well? I´m running allmost all of his newer stuff.

Cheers and thanks
Lennart

[tcastudios]

A short follow up.
First if I take away all plugins (Except the original SDK thing) Cinema crashes on start up.
That might have to do with the startup layout I have. Don´t know yet. Have repaired permissions, run Cocktail, restarted etc.

Put all plugins back again.
Rendered 1200x600 -fine
2400x600 -fine
3600x600 -fine
4800x600 --crash--

I´ll try to set some sort of default layot and see..
No eggs for me today.....

Cheers
Lennart

[tcastudios]

A note. When rendering the "renderlines" halt for a second (On all renders) just when it is allmost done. It is at this moment Cinema crashes and no file is written to disc.

Lennart

[dann_stubbs]

Originally posted by tcastudios
A short follow up.
First if I take away all plugins (Except the original SDK thing) Cinema crashes on start up.
That might have to do with the startup layout I have. Don´t know yet. Have repaired permissions, run Cocktail, restarted etc.

Put all plugins back again.
Rendered 1200x600 -fine
2400x600 -fine
3600x600 -fine
4800x600 --crash--

I´ll try to set some sort of default layot and see..
No eggs for me today.....

Cheers
Lennart

what file format are you writing to?

and what version of quicktime?

dann

[tcastudios]

dann-stubbs-
I´m writing to tga, but that seems not it.

Follow up.
I reset the layout and put away the plugins again.
It now renders 5700.
Note: I had SolidSpline set to active in rendersettings. Deleted it (as active) and made a new "template.c4d" as well as "new.c4d"

I start to suspect one of the "Liverender plugins"
such as SniperPro and GetPicture (Paul stuff)
Not confirmed yet, but hopefully very soon.

Cheers
Lennart

[tcastudios]

OK. There is something in the 10comm plugin suite that makes cinema crash rendering big pictures.

If I put all plugins back except 10comm, it works.

I´ll try to see which one, there are many in there,
as well as mail Paul.

Lennart

[dann_stubbs]

Originally posted by tcastudios
Guess what...
Cinema crashed when I closed the app........
I need some serious talk with Maxon I guess.

Lennart

maybe a sort of apology to maxon too : )

poor guys always get blamed - even when not their fault. apple is treated the same way by many of their users. : (

dann

[tcastudios]

Originally posted by dann_stubbs
maybe a sort of apology to maxon too : )

poor guys always get blamed - even when not their fault. apple is treated the same way by many of their users. : (

dann

Yes. You are absolutely right. It is very easy to get frustrated and blame all and his mother.

I can only then take this opportunity to say:
Working with Cinema is an absolute joy. With great help from you and many others I am -very- productive and are spoiled, to say the least, how well Cinema runs. Right now running five G5:s set to NET, everything is super smooth.
People around me are astonished by the rocksolid behaviour of NET. They turn of and on their Clients at will and it just moves along.
I´ll be at a location job for a month in Turkey, starting next week. Cinema plays a -big- role in that event. I am thrilled and confident it will work just fine.
Also, I will most likely call for help here, be warned...:)

Cheers and thanks
Lennart

[tapaul]

Thanks for letting me know.
The problem is fixed , it was a buffer overrun in the picture spotter plugin

Just email me to get the update.



Best Regards
Paul Everett
www.tools4d.com

[wuensch]

>THis man is fast--really fast--
Thats what I call support.
Btw, I have C4D .net running non stop here since 5 days, with Sketch & Toon running at full throttle without the tiniest problem--- yes, we are spoiled.
Olli

[lllab]

great paul, this IS FAST:-)

i also send you an email regarding this an athe previous upadte of 10comm tools.

thanks a lot

cheers
lllab
stefanl.

[tcastudios]

My deepest thanks to Paul.
I´ll put the update in later today.


Cheers
Lennart

[tcastudios]

I´m sorry to say the problems are not to an end.
I´f I now make a new material and then copy it or make another material or edit the material, Cinema crashes.
This happends with the 10comm folder in plugins and not without 10comm folder in plugins.

Regards
Lennart

[tapaul]

check your email and dont panic :)
its always nicer to just email me than post on a forum.
nicer in that i get the chance to fix my bugs before you go public.

I also got a couple of G5 bugs pending in 10comm , it seems those g5`s are a bit touchy around the edges.



Best Regards
Paul "Dont Rush" Everett
www.tools4d.com

---- a bugfix a day keeps the wolves away -----

[tcastudios]

Sorry. No offence meant what so ever.
CGTalk is just such a great place where people do help and see if they might have the same behaviour. Every so often it is my own fault and I´m pointed where and what I´m doing wrong.

So please apologize my hectic behaviour.
I am sure it will be solved.

And yes, G5´s are new territory for many of us.
All OS9 wizdom is tossed overboard in one go....

Regards
Lennart

[tapaul]

did those last files resolve the problem?


Regards

Paul Everett
www.tools4d.com

[tcastudios]

It still crashes when I apply a material to an object.
I can now make and copy and edit material but not put the material on an object.

I use the default layout and default outputsize. If I switch to "my" layout with a tab for 10comm, MS, DiTools etc, half of the 10comm tools don´t show up. I guess I have to redo my layout since they are in the regular plugin dropdown menu.

Regards
Lennart

[tcastudios]

I have to thank Paul for his -great- support, being Easter and all. The most reasent updated files I´ve got from him seems to work just great.

Regards
Lennart

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