ScreenDesign

[puddlefish]

I really don't want to seem harsh, but I see far to much of this type of design on the web. In my opinion it's very generic and pointless. It's not functional because it will take a long time to download, and it's not good design because it's simply random imagery with motion blurs.
This isn't a stab at you personally, but I think this type of design really signifies someone with no originality, someone who blindly follows the pack. It also doesn't take that much skill to make shapes and then blur them and add layer blending effects in Photoshop.

Sorry again if this seems harsh, but I think it's time people stop calling this design, it's not, it's self indulgance.

Sorry!!

[jeroentje]

Amen.

Graphic Design is for bringing a message to the receiver in the clearest possible way. Not for visual masturbation.

[jeroentje]

Hmm.. maybe that sounded a bit too hard. It's just that I love Graphic Design, and I think it is so much more than nice pictures. If you do it good, it can make people understand a message, make people feel good about something, make them to be aware of certain things. Just making nice looking pictures is just so limited and so cheap... while ypu can do so much with it.

For instance; what does your friend need a site for/ What will he sell? What does he want with it? I can't see it back in your design...

jeroentje
(Graphic Design freak)

[puddlefish]

Thanks jeroentje, I was sure I'd take a beating for that post!

BulletProof: Please don't take this personally, or as the opinion of the general populance. With this type of thing you really have to seperate image making from design. Image making is just that, making images for images sake, whereas design is a communication tool. Anything that doesn't communicate something should (in most cases) be removed.

I come from a traditional design background, so I'm pretty anal (and outspoken!) about these things. If you're interested in web design, you should study other successful websites (look at amazon.com or google). Look at navigation, clarity, friendliness etc. These things are especially important when designing for the web, when download times and screen resolutions need to be taken into consideration.

Sorry, don't mean to preach...

I'll stop now.

[jeroentje]

Taking a beating for having an opinion? :hmm:
People have the right to disagree though :shrug:
I just don't. Think we have the same sort of background ;)

BulletProof does have a feeling for esthetics though. I think he can do about a whole lot better then this, when he asks himself these questions:
- What is this website for? What is it's purpose?
- Who will look at it?
- What will those people expect to find there?
- How can they find that in the fastest and clearest way?
- And last but nor least; what feeling of it must they have when they leave?

jeroentje

BulletProof, you can do 2 things now;
1 be offended, wich was neither pudlefish nor my intention
2 show us what you can really do

[kandyman]

it's cool and all, but it's very 90s, and it's not very original.

still, it's nice to look at :)

[iC4]

I think it's very well done and looks cool

but have to agree, there are too much sites out there with this design :wavey:

[BulletProof]

Well...why always bringing Messages to the people...i'm working 8 hours a day to sell people Messages they don't really have to know. I'm working in the packaging business...i guess at no other place there are sooo many so called "Messages" which have to be brought into the design..i'm really sick of it....and in my spare time i want to do something else...using colors....want to make things, where u don't have to think about what it it...."is this a head...or a breast...or maybe a leg ?".

Me personally...i never felt better, after leaving a Homepage, because of the Design and the User-Interface......

And even some (for me) kewl sites don't really have a messages...if u visit www.derbauer.de for example...und can't realize after 10 Minutes of watching what this company is selling....but the idea behind this all is great...and that's what design means to me....


and i know it's not new...but all the character posted here...are they new ??...don't think so....some parts of this...some parts of this movie...better good stolen, than bad selfmade ;O)):shame:

[Fede]

Hey guys,

I understand that the website for the screen you have made will be a sort of personal/private web but some of the same rules do still apply to it. I don't want to hijack your thread but...

I'm a webdesigner, and should i say 'unfortunatley' because every tom, dick and harry are one these days. Just cause you can bevel a button doesn't make you a webdesigner!!!!

A webdesigner has a very fine line to walk on between whats needed and his ego.

Screens like that can be cool but, if it's a portfolio you want people to get into your site to view it and hire you, you don't want them to wait for ever for the screen to load, which they will not, therefore loosing that opportunity.
You want as few clicks as possible to get them to the content you want to show.

You want your page to be as unique as possible so that people remember where to go back or what to look for, not to be confused between yours and 2advanced.com, good chances they will rather go there.

The pic is way too big, unless you doing a side scrolling site, i'm viewing it at 1280x1024 and i still have to scroll side ways. Did you leave your dpi at 300?

I would say rather have that in your wall paper section.

Look, don't get me wrong i'm just trying to give you some tips here, and it's way to early for this anyway, i should have waited till after breakfast to answer.

later

[BulletProof]

I know...everybody makes homepages today....but there's still a difference between professionals and amateurs. I don't like webdesign...especially the technical part of it like PHP aso. This "Homepage-Job" i got like a virgin get's a child...but i was told to create something "unique"....even if it's only a great startpage...doesn't have to have something similar with the Corporate Design of the company itself.

If u could see the Logo i have to work with afterwards for the navigation aso, then my Wallpaper-Crap is High-End-Design ;O))

But i will post a link of the Homepage, when it's finished (someday), because i have to make it in my sparetime,.....and in my sparetime, i'm working more in 3D (MAYA) than in 2D....so it will take some time...

[BulletProof]

funny u have to scroll...should be something like 1280 x blablabla....has to do with the CG-Talk window...:lightbulb

[Fede]

Bullet, keep it up dude and stay in 3d, it's the way to go.

For web help just shout. Keen to see what comes from this and you are right it was the CGtalk screen;) but it's still too big for the average user.

later

[BulletProof]

Well...3D is great....after 7 years testing nearly every 3D package...i have decided to stay at one package...and make my stuff there...but it's very time-consuming...and in Austria there's no market for this stuff...(The People from NEO will disagree...but it's a fact, that in the whole country...there's no existing MAYA unlimited license)....Nevermind...but also want to draw 2D..well Shit...because it's also needed for 3D...and i thought i was good....thought..i'm always open to new :shrug:

[puddlefish]

The decision is of course yours, and I can only offer my personal opinion, but I have to say that creating a home page that

a: is too big for most screens to hold and
b: completely different from the aesthetics of the rest of the site

is a big mistake. Putting a pretty (but functionally void) page on from of a naff site will make the site even worse by disorientating the user. You'd be much better spending your time redesigning the site itself, give it a nice clean navigation and even rebrand it.

I've worked in package design as well (and web and brochure etc...) and I understand how frustrating it can be. I also like to just make images for images sake, which is great, but a homepage is not the place for them. Sure, put them in your portfolio page as experiments, but I guarantee you'll turn more people away by putting this on your homepage.

BTW, I agree that most of the stuff here isn't as original as it could be, but it's no excuse for the rest of us to slack off and follow the pack. Lead by example.

[BulletProof]

Well...in most cases the customer is also not pleased with such Design...they always want the good old stuff...the pic was just an idea...testing some things....bringing some Color into the Corporate Design...but like everything, u have to discuss with the customer....i'm also excitited how it will look at last....in a few month...or days...

let's see what the time will bring ;O))

b u l l e t

P.S.: i'm not the leader Type ;O)...let others do the first step

[kandyman]

hey bullet - i work at neo :)

I'm sure there's a 3d market almost everywhere, but it's probably hidden... in the way that the customer doesn't care how you produce your gfx, as long as they look good. Still, there's the Maya factor, too - I even had a woman from profil magazine ask me yesterday: "...and for 3D, there's this Maya program, right? ..." ugh.


-marin

[BulletProof]

Already knew that...i'm always watching those people talking to me.... ;O)

[Pinky_Powers]

Originally posted by puddlefish
I really don't want to seem harsh, but I see far to much of this type of design on the web. In my opinion it's very generic and pointless. It's not functional because it will take a long time to download, and it's not good design because it's simply random imagery with motion blurs.
This isn't a stab at you personally, but I think this type of design really signifies someone with no originality, someone who blindly follows the pack. It also doesn't take that much skill to make shapes and then blur them and add layer blending effects in Photoshop.

Sorry again if this seems harsh, but I think it's time people stop calling this design, it's not, it's self indulgance.

Sorry!!

LOL, that is pretty much what I said when I first saw it, then I read the first reply and it seams you have read my mind. :)

But still, it looks good, but you really need to expand you vision.

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