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Shinwa
04-09-2004, 01:22 AM
Cassandra Sweetman has entered the Machineflesh 2D Challenge.

Shinwa
04-09-2004, 01:31 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1081470709_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1081470709_large.jpg)

Okay, Well, hmm...

I am a firm believer that we are in actuality organic machines. There-for.... My concept.

Machine Flesh is, in fact Machine/DNA alteration and synthesis.

The image is Twins, then, to show contrast. Maybe they were Siamese Twins? Maybe one is a clone. Who knows. At least one (The one being built) is now an MGO. Mechanical Genetic Organism.

Shinwa
04-09-2004, 02:02 AM
I am still trying to decide if they will be on a table or platform or in a solution of some type, although while the DNA replicates itself the solution seems to make more sense to me?

I think maybe people did this to survive on a changing world. And machine enhancements on a genetic level, kind of like mutated nanobots and stuff was efficient just because it kept their bodies intact on a level their brain and instincts can still understand and adapt to.

I was thinking a greenish fluid...and maybe some of the flesh is building itself as we watch. She will also have metallic parts as well that will be visible.

I will get a line and color comp up as soon as I can to show some of the ideas to go with this concept.

Any input would be great - thanks.

drawMonger
04-09-2004, 02:03 PM
Nice sketch, I can already see an emotive story building, even without faces for the characters.

As for the table, IMHO the way it is now is great. So i vote for floating in fluid.

Good luck!

taiji
04-09-2004, 02:23 PM
Dear friend,

Just like you do i beleive that we are organic machines and this point of view is very interesting in Sci-Fi for developping story about a technology that would give birth to growing machines and not built machines.

good idea !

AlexDragutescu
04-09-2004, 03:53 PM
I really love your concept. It's a great idea. I'm looking forward to see more drawings. Keep up the good work

jawine
04-09-2004, 04:55 PM
I'd think of a use for the enhancements as well, this will make it easier to make an evocative picture. Survival is really broad, and what exactly do the technical components inmprove for humans?

I figure if something like that existed, out bodies and the enhancements would work together and maybe the body would even help the enhancements grow. Then you'd only have to give the enhancements to someone via injection and watch the body change itself :)

Hope this helps ^0^

Shinwa
04-09-2004, 09:41 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1081543298_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1081543298_large.jpg)

This is the line art...just playing with how I want facial features and shadowing stuff....

Shinwa
04-09-2004, 09:49 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1081543762_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1081543762_large.jpg)

Okay, I need to adjust the eyes a bit, I'm trying to decide if I should have the human/human's eyes half open to show the difference in their eyes, or just shut them....I will work out the techy details during the final color...


Thank you SOO much for your comments - Anything you have for this would help me tons...I plan on more contrast and details in the final, but ALL your input will help SOO much.

Shinwa
04-09-2004, 11:27 PM
I think I am going to give some patient information for a specific use that this image implies....or at least enough to suggest this process.....make it visible that they are on the other side of a glass barrier with some printing on it?

I think what ultimately brings about the technology is a desire for enhancement, longevity, machines based on humans...as we try to create in our own image, as well as something that could possibly fix what society views as major blemishes and save lives after serious accidents. Then the question of a soul comes into play....Could we technically stop reproducing physically? Or perhaps remake ourselves when we die? I think the technology causes problems in younger patients....children, due to their rapid speed of change.

It also probably needs the liquid for drastic changes....although compact formulas will be put into production as soon as it is given the okay to be used on humans by the United Nation's Health Administration .

pinokeo
04-10-2004, 03:25 AM
:lightbulb
how but the two girls are fused from part of their skin

AlexDragutescu
04-10-2004, 03:50 AM
Hey
It's true that the eyes could make a difference. What you already have is very good and clear. The machine is definetlly attracted to the girl. Now the way I see it is that the human character created the machine and now she doesn't really know how to react. Humans do stuff and then they think about the consequences. So the girl should be wondering what to do. If you make her eyes closed we may see more that she is thinking and she doesn't really know what to do.
I hope this will help you a bit.
I like how you started the colouring.
Nice work
Alex

Loka
04-11-2004, 03:31 AM
Now that I can see it a bit better, I have give a better comment. I really like the coloring. The hair in between the girl, is kind of hard to tell, what it is... It looks like it might be hair, or that it might be something else, floating in with them. Mmn. No that's not right.

Aw. It looks a bit hard, like when the girl on the right lays her head against the hair of the left, or that's what it looks like she's doing to me...

Like it wouldn't give, like hair would. It would hold it's form instead of changing a little to yield against her face.

However, the coloring is excellent. And you've gotten the porportions right! And we both now how much it irks me to look at art that's professional, yet they've got girls who's thighes are twice the size of their waist. *grumbles.* Stupid Un Ick.

Anyways.. I think I'm finished..

brunowerneck
04-12-2004, 07:07 AM
Cassandra,
I like your skecth a lot. Nice piece so far.
I'm glad you're paying attention to the eyes, because they can make a pretty big difference. It pulls you into the picture. When it comes to figurative art, the audience relates to facial expression. They always have, they always will.

I just thought of Disney's Tarzan, (ok, off the record, Disney movies usually suck story wise, but a lot of talent goes into them, and I respect them for that), he's got a fairlly reallistic anatomy, but they made his eyes, hands (and why not feet) bigger to make it look more expressive.

The only artist who comes to my mind, who is able to create appealing characters without drawing the eyes is: Jim Lee. Sometimes he will shade all around the eyes, and put a plain-white-no-pupil-cyborg-like look on the hero's face... and it would look awesome!

Anyway, hum, sorry! back to your drawing...
I vote for fluid. Glowing green fluid. I suggest you expand the height of the illustration (towards the top), and ad nice stokes of hair floating in the water... hair tips is fun because they need no structure,you can do whatever you want and play with it so the sillhouete looks more interesting.

And to give a sense that we're underwater, maybe it would be a good idea to tilt the characters in the composition. It would also bring more instability to the scene and possibly make the composition more dynamic as well...

You've mentioned something about putting labels on top to show they're behind a glass... I like that idea... not to mention reflection on the glass, but careful not to overdo it so the focus is still on the characters.

That's my 3 cents for now Cassandra. And ironicaly, if you look at my entry you will realize that I'm not a applying a single thing that I just said. Absolutely none. Easy to say, hard to do...but we'll all get there eventually.

Bruno
:rolleyes:

Shinwa
04-20-2004, 02:56 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1082426163_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1082426163_large.jpg)

Okay so I decided to put my zoom out down on paper just as a test....However (As you will probably see better in the color comp) I think I like the close up for the detail on what is physically happening...

Shinwa
04-20-2004, 02:58 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1082426328_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1082426328_large.jpg)

Here you can see better what the scratchy sketch was about...Like Mickey in the corner? hehe...anywho... I just don't think this explains exactly what is happening as well...also I think the whole vat thing - no matter how it is done....is overdone in sci fi you know?

Shinwa
04-20-2004, 03:06 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1082426773_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1082426773_large.jpg)

Okay...so I HAD thought of an extreme angle, but my concern was that with the one woman's flesh rebuilding it would look too much like Ghost In The Shell when her body is disappearing...SO...

I took what input I got and kept running. If any of you can see the two positions I kind of have sketched out in this one for the hand and the leg, give me preferences?

I tilted the women and tried to add a weightlessness...I also moved the hand on the viewers left at the request of a friend...to better illustrate the unconscious thoughts of the woman...I will work on expressions next.

I am thinking some machinery will show in the woman on the right's face and cheekbone around her eye. I am also planning on making the woman on the right's hair lighter than the woman on the left for a little variation...

Thank you so much for all your input - Friends and CG members alike...keep it comming! ;}

Shinwa
04-20-2004, 04:43 AM
Oh - and the green writing is going to be computer print, only see through and across the glass panel....

One is an ID number, the other patient information - the patient specific information that is contained on a crystaline hard copy...

HOWEVER...the side panels represented in the Vat image is kind of like a computer...it is immovable and displays genetic information, vitals, and shows the progress of the mechanical genetic combination as it happens....whether it is nano-bot Genetic locks or other substances fusing with the organs...

wachstum
04-20-2004, 11:31 AM
Greetings Cassandra,

You are building on a solid base, that is character interaction. So emotionally I see it coming along.

Considering the execution of your sketches a few thoughts are showing up at my side.

It is a more or less settled rule to prevent joints from being cut on the edge of the canvas. It almost always turns up looking like amputated. So watch your knees :).

Looking at your technical design I got the intention you may still be tied to movies, comics etc. in your mind. In real life design ideas are derived from natural incidence. So have a look at some fruits, plants, foliage or whatever it may be you fancy and develop a design for the VAT/containment chamber from there. As far as I can judge it you like organic, flowing forms more than straight rigid ones nevertheless. So let go the tubes...

Personally I believe the acid green liquid could be turned into something else since it looks poisonous. You are proposing a building procedure. Requiring energy, power so perhaps you could have a try at an orange, yellow tone. The audience will recognize it's fluid regardless of it's colour.

For the overall composition I would recommend zooming out a little just to display some edges of the VAT. People knowing your concept will see where the two characters are located. But what about the rest of us, heh?

But don't have this chiseled in stone. And don't stop there's quite more to that concept than is visible at the moment. And YOU will be the one to show us :)

scoogee
04-20-2004, 04:52 PM
I'm going to have to agree with wachstum. When I look at your WIP, I get the feeling that it's very film/comic book oriented. However, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Looking at it, I can only think of one thing. So when this chick is using the machine, is she creating a clone off of her body? I think it's looking good so far.

One thing I'd fix, if I could draw, would be the the hand that's pressed up against the glass. It's a bit wide at the heel of her hand. ANYHOW - that's all I have for you.

Bye Bye Cassy

Falcorr
04-20-2004, 05:23 PM
Nice concept sketch. Lots of hard poses.

Theres so much motion going to left part of the picture it sort of makes me feel. That girl is going to snap her neck!

Maybe im just violent person? .... Anyway make it more gentle :rolleyes:

Shinwa
04-21-2004, 12:58 AM
Wachstum, thank you ;}

Joints I am not worried about too much, I will adjust things to either just above or just below the knees...probably the latter...

The liquid is a great point and I will play with it to see what I can do...
And I will zoom it out a bit.

Falcor_ I see what you mean about the neck snap...which of the two leg positions do you think would help dissuade that notion? And other than that what would you suggest that could add some grace?
At least I think that is what you mean about the hard poses...? Unless you mean they're just hard to draw?

Shinwa
04-21-2004, 01:18 AM
And Scoogee,

I will definatle fix the hand. :bowdown: :cool: thank you

Falcorr
04-21-2004, 06:57 PM
Shinwa leg positions are fine. It doesnt matter if there is lots of energy in the pic if its not directed to neck.

I'll try to explain that hand position. You should make her use only her fingertips thus it would look like there would be not enough force to the neck.

Second theory is that you should place the palm on the opposite side with palm tracing down the face countours. That way pushing thus neck breaking motion would be impossible only pulling gently to see the face. Am i right?

Anyway dont listen to me im no pro. Do what you want. Good luck on your entry :thumbsup:

Shinwa
04-22-2004, 03:10 AM
Falcor,

Thank you, I can see it and I see what you mean! ;} I'll submit something new in a few days...I have to finish some stuff up

Shinwa
04-22-2004, 02:59 PM
See I am rather stuck...if I make the vats more rounded, and viney the tank looks a lot like the ones from Matrix.... And if it is tooo spherical she won't fit in a relaxed position....

Well still Brainstorming....

I could do like a "garden of them...." Others in the same vat- and it's like a huge swimming pool. Like at Marine world with the seals and otters....only lots of people? But that doesn't work technically....They would need isolation of liquids and computer components for the amount of power it would take to do even one...

*think think* new work comming in a day or two....sorry about the delay - Im juggling projects :thumbsup:

Shinwa
05-18-2004, 02:45 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084844741_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084844741_large.jpg)

This is my re-visualization of the vat after a lot of thought on the input I got....The shell is not glass, but solidifies on the outside and is liquid within...there is a surrounding glow, but since the inside is a sort of advanced perfluorocarbon, it is colorless/odorless/etc... non toxic, but speeds the evolutionary process.

I basically wanted a more solidified idea of the area and containment I am working with so I could make more accurate decisions about zoom and focus etc. for the characters.

(I had to repost due to data loss recently, sorry this has taken SO LONG for me)

Shinwa
05-18-2004, 02:49 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084844992_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084844992_large.jpg)

This is the tanks colored….just concept work still. In the pencil version I tried boxing areas I could focus on.
I’ve decided not to zoom out after checking final sizes. The final will be a little bigger than letterhead – so I don’t want to lose details on the characters. I will see how it goes as I get details in color work before I make this decision final however

Shinwa
05-18-2004, 03:23 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084847010_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084847010_large.jpg)

This is my Line Art – I decided to add the glass edging to the original size as a way to give a better idea that they’re in something. I worked on expressions in this one, as well as anatomical details. I also used a muscular chart as well as a skeletal chart of the female body to get an idea of the tissues that are building. I finally, adjusted the hand as well.

Shinwa
05-18-2004, 03:27 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084847251_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084847251_large.jpg)

This is a color step – I used prismas to just get a basic idea of color, and then used hugh and Saturation to drain out some of the brightness and lighten it a little….this is to give a little texture as I work….Also – I tried angling the type ‘suggestion’ (the orange lines across the page)…I may straighten it again though.

Shinwa
05-18-2004, 03:30 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084847440_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084847440_large.jpg)

These are the combined layers so far – I will start uploading as I work in Photoshop here on out.
Also – as I see how contrast goes I will adjust sizes accordingly. I just want to be sure the elements I want visible are visible. Such as the skin rebuilding when I get to that point, facial expressions, and the readability of the type as it scrolls across the hardened surface of the “shell” or tank.

Shinwa
05-18-2004, 03:33 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084847608_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084847608_large.jpg)

This one is for contrast, to set in my mind the lighting, or perhaps shadowing is a better term. I am also begining to set down base textures. I apologize for the poor res on this one.

Shinwa
05-18-2004, 03:53 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084848815_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084848815_large.jpg)

Okay - so I am now processing through how I want the shadows to fall on her face and facial structure. I am also working on shading/color wise. I am contemplating fleshy glow on the righ hand woman - like your hand over a flashlight type...as well as a blue fleshy glow...both of which reveal the internal building process in places.... I may wait until some peices are more finalized before I upload again...so, if I don't upload in a while, don't despair...2 thirds of the thinking/processing I do is visualized as I do daily things.

Shinwa
05-19-2004, 04:00 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084935621_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1084935621_large.jpg)

Okay - face so far, I work by adding layer upon layer upon layer...bringing out the things I like as I work...

scoogee
05-19-2004, 04:12 AM
I like wip 03...i think it looks the best between wip04 and 03. I'm not sure if that's a good thing for you, but I do feel 03 has a more human quality (colorwise) than 04. It's something about the contrasted lighting that makes it look more like realistic than, for a lack of a better word, cartoony. WAIT, no - STYLIZED is much better. Anyway, more realistic than stylized.

The face is lookin good though. I think the hand under the chin needs a more defining line. BOOYAH SHINWA - it looks good so far.

Shinwa
05-19-2004, 04:14 AM
k, sorry about the last two low res ones :eek: but, it shows basic changes...((and yes they are flattened jpgs and I've tried finding the optimized for web, reducing dpi - and lowering the save quality - thus....the product lol.))

lol...anywho, I'll start uploading smaller clips as I work on different details.

(I can't seem to get my images to upload at a decent res in color unless I clip them down anyways....I'll jump the hurdle later when I need to...)

Falcorr
05-20-2004, 04:28 PM
Hey your colors look like they could be from inverted color table?
Are you going for darker tone for the whole picture? I'll wait a little more to see how this will progress in color.

By the way ill reply to my own thread when ill have something to upload, but thanx for liking it :wavey:

Shinwa
06-06-2004, 03:14 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1086488061_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1086488061_large.jpg)

I am working on building tissues and get the base for the "living glow" that I want....

Shinwa
06-06-2004, 03:16 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1086488163_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1086488163_large.jpg)

a crop and some more "Living glow" tissue details...the skin is the last thing I will add to the woman...and I want it to carry more of an icey non-living glow...

Shinwa
06-13-2004, 08:39 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087155584_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087155584_large.jpg)

I updated shadows and stuff, and as of this week I have reliable internet, so uploads for the remaining 3 days shall be quick Lol. ...

Shinwa
06-13-2004, 08:43 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087155792_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087155792_large.jpg)

I made anatomy adjustments, I decided the wires going into the heart of the left woman's body would help ground the tubing....starting on getting in hair strands....I'll probably end up using any free from work time I can to finish this on monday and tuesday so that tuesday evening I have the final color milestone for critique so Wednesday eve I can make the final adjustments for the final image, I'll uplaod as I can until then to show the steps as best I can...

Shinwa
06-15-2004, 07:28 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087280921_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087280921_large.jpg)

My latest step...I am doing tiny detail work...brush size about 4pt. also working on hair texture....and other odds and ends to give it life, color, and hints of story...

Shinwa
06-16-2004, 08:14 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087370040_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087370040_large.jpg)

Please tell me Which of these you prefer, and what adjustments you would make to the preferred picture so I can work on that tomorrow evening .... it will be my last chance, so I would appreciate all and any input anyone is willing to give me. Thank You ;}

Shinwa
06-16-2004, 08:16 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087370163_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087370163_large.jpg)

This one is Choice Two...(of three)

Shinwa
06-16-2004, 08:19 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087370342_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087370342_large.jpg)

Last one... Choice Three. I feel there are some final touches that need to be made, so All input is helpful if I can make changes with it ;}
The idea is a sort of biomachinery, so it IS meant to look fleshy...
I will probably do a print out too, so I can also make extra adjustments based on what I see when it prints...

Shinwa
06-18-2004, 10:30 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087551015_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087551015_large.jpg)

The Machine Within:
The future of technological advancement was in the study of our own bio-technology....DNA and Quantum physics... if one could control atoms and the result of DNA and the coding itself...faster computers, anti-aging and disease control... The growth of computers, the enhancing of our race...but at what cost?

I cannot show the process at such a tiny level, but I can show something of the result. - Cassandra

Shinwa
06-18-2004, 11:06 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087553193_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/3237/3237_1087553193_large.jpg)

The Machine Within:
The future of technological advancement was in the study of our own bio-technology....DNA and Quantum physics... if one could control atoms and the result of DNA and the coding itself...faster computers, anti-aging and disease control... The growth of computers, the enhancing of our race...but at what cost?

I cannot show the process at such a tiny level, but I can show something of the result. - Cassandra

STARBUCK
07-09-2004, 08:45 AM
Very nice picture!

Lots of incredibles details!
Hope you'll have good luck for the challenge.
See you next challenge:thumbsup:

Shinwa
07-12-2004, 11:08 PM
:) Thanx , I hope to see you too! And maybe around in the forums as well, if I get the time to start working on my own Illustration stuff more!

Shinwa
07-13-2004, 04:36 PM
I Would just like to say thank you to everyone who helped critique, friends and members alike. As well as thank you to everyone who entered and, even though I didn't get to most of you in critique, I kept an eye on your pieces as the competition progressed, and it has been SUCH A LEARNING experience. Everyone has done a wonderful job. I am sorry for all those who didn't make it to final. There was a lot of Good progression work out there, and a lot of it never made it on. Anyways, Congradulations to everyone, have fun, and GOOD LUCK! In case I missed you in your forum :thumbsup:

ioio
07-14-2004, 01:41 PM
Thanks a lot for your opinion. You are probably the only person interested in my works.;)
I think that your works have a potencial power hidden under the subtle play of colours. Also composition is interesting. On the first wink of eye I see that youve put in this work a lot of passion. I wish you good luck in voting. http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon7.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

Shinwa
07-14-2004, 02:44 PM
(I just wish I had uploaded some zoom-ins of the faces and other little details that are great close up. I was down to a 1pt brush in the end, so there's a lot more detail than you can see with the bigger picture zoomed out.)

Thank You so much for your comments!

I'm positive I am not the only one ;} I think it's just harder when you're new, or you started a little later than right off. I noticed a lot of people stuck to just a couple images for critiques and seemed to know eachother. You did an excellent job:thumbsup:

londero
07-16-2004, 11:27 PM
congratulations Shinwa! here are a GREAT picture!

impressive colors, harmony and composition. I like very much, specially the rich details like the tatto (or sign) in the arm, and the transparencie aspect is so cool!

good luck in contest!:wavey:

force.

Londero

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