Evolution: Looking for modeller who can do cartoons

[detonum]

Hey kirt...I was wondering when somebody would post a concept to model!

The concept looks pretty nice! I like the background story. I'll give it a try....[opens 3d program]

[ilasolomon]

Who called me?! I'm always ready for getting mesh'ache.

[Equinoxx]

hey that's damn wicked man, I was sorta hoping for something like this :D

startin right away to get a feel for it.
Eaferly awaiting your modeling sheets.
:cool:

cheers.
Yves

[katon]

I am liking this guy, i am going to hold off though for liek a week and see what other people put up, but so far you have my vote, I cant wait to see the sheets so I can get started. Peace

Katon

[Kirt]

:argh: I was hoping to have orthos done today, but I worked another 14 hour shift yesterday and I'm so far beyond tired it's not funny anymore.

Maybe sometime this week. But for now, here's some shots of the character from the ever embarrasing web comic. Enjoy at my expense (some of these were my first works done with Photoshop. Amazing how much I've improved in such short time).

http://kirt.cgcommunity.com/temp/deathrage-collage.jpg

Look! Bottom right ... lenz flared! ACK!!

[Equinoxx]

hehe those are cool Kirt.

faithfully awaiting the ortho's . . . I was wondering of you could add some sort of detail stuff on his torso, it feels kinda empty right now don't ya think ? perhaps some sort of leather crossstrap or whatever with one of them things people put their swords in hanging on his back ???

[Kirt]

Yeah, I can move his sword thingy to his back. Not a problem. I was also thinking that you could model the diamond pattern on his shirt with a lightly quilted look. Otherwise it's not going to work on a flat surface cause there are no textures allowed.

[Equinoxx]

Yeah was thinking the same think, sort of embossed diamond patern for instance the gray ones 'protrude' more then the black ones.

[Kirt]

Hmmm ... I was thinking all of the same height. But that might work too. It would definately give it a more unique look.

I have a posed head ortho done, but can't upload it until tomorrow. Do you want the body ortho in this pose or just standard DaVinci pose?

[Equinoxx]

davinci would be lovely as it's easier to follow it when modeling. the pose will be done with rigging.

atcually, I think I understand now what you mean with quilted and it might work equally good I guess as what i offered. might even look less weird. Guess it's something I'll need to try out. Hope I can use displacement based on a texturemap and then collapse that to a mesh [bake displacement ?] never tried that before.

I wonder though how much of it will be visible, as I understand that details that are to tiny get overlooked in the conversion at 3d-art-to-part

we'll see.

[Kirt]

http://kirt.cgcommunity.com/temp/deathrage-head.jpg

[detonum]

Right...Better start modelling now!

[detonum]

Right..Ive done some head modelling, nowhere finished yet tho. When im (almost) done with the head, Ill change the other side of it, to create asymmetry which we are seeing in your concept :)

http://www.planetsideimages.com/uploads/deathrageprogress1.jpg

[Kirt]

Wow you're fast! I guess I'm going to have to get that body shot up real soon. :D

A couple of things to critique. No upper lip showing. His mustache is really thick and bushy which conceils his upper lip. I think I drew his ears too small in the ortho views. If you look at the color samples above he has bigger ears (my fault). And the eyebrows could be positioned down more so you don't see as much of the upper eyelid/brow.

Other than that, I'm amazed at how you've managed to capture the character so well. Fantastic! :applause:

[3dArtToPart]

The embossed/quilted diamond pattern should look pretty good in the real part as long as it's bold enough.


Rod

[Equinoxx]

lookin mighty fine Det. Guess I'll have to go outof my ways to outdo you if i want to get my hands on a statue hehe.

The heat is on.

[detonum]

Kirt: Thanks for the crits, their helpful!

equinoxx: Yeah, the heat is on! :cool: Good luck. :thumbsup:

Ive done some more progress. The back of the head, hair and ear is not okay yet and theres some clipping there. Other things too.
And Im propably gonna do some wrinkelry to the hat.
But heres the latest progress.

http://www.planetsideimages.com/uploads/deathrageprogress2a.jpg
http://www.planetsideimages.com/uploads/deathrageprogress2b.jpg

[Equinoxx]

stop right there mister, You gota give me a fair chance to catch up, which i'm not gonna be able to do till tonite [bout 5 hours from now]

now DROP THAT MOUSE and go outside or something :p

hmmmmm that blood is rushing thru my veins. feels like back in the days of the 1st cgtalk challenges . . .

WHOOOOO

[ilasolomon]

Lol! :D I'm gonna drop my machineFlesh and start Kirt's! hahaha

[detonum]

Sorry to dissapoint you equinoxx, but I had to model something :p Waiting for your model...!
I modelled the shield skull on his legs (they were pretty easy to understand from the 3/4 sketch..). Im also thinking, kirt, if I build a cylinderical bevel for deathrage to stand for, There could be a couple of skulls lying around, like in your sketch. That ok?

and heres the shield skull

http://www.planetsideimages.com/uploads/deathrageprogress3a.jpg

[detonum]

Theres only like a bit over 20 days left, and nobody else has started to model anything (it's gonna be a tough on time)...I hope youre gonna start working on that model soon equinoxx ;)

Eagerly waiting for the body orthos! :cool:

[3dArtToPart]

The deadline for this contest is June 1, 2004 12:00am PST.


Rod

[Equinoxx]

allready working on in, just not at a point yet where i want to post it. Will post later tonite ;)

cheers.

[Equinoxx]

this night ended sooner then i figured hehe

here be the progress

http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/wip/deathrage/deathrage_wip_01.jpg

[detonum]

Ouch.. Tough competition!
Looking very nice. I think you nailed the eyes alot better than me, I better go tweaking mine :)

The jester looks better than mine, too....I better go tweaking now.. :)

[Equinoxx]

thx :D but the jester needs lots of tweaking, the ends need to be a lot thicker then they are now, fatter as it were. all in due time. I'm away for the weekend, so plenty of tweaktime for ya there ;)

cheers.

[Teyon]

Wow. This'll be fun to watch. You two are great.

[Equinoxx]

Hey Kirt, where are those orthos of the mans body ey hehe
can't continue without your artistic vision ;)

cheers.

[Remij]

Equinoxx or Detonum while you're waiting why not start on the sword? I am sure that would be helpful.. maybe.

[Kirt]

Sorry, I got a freelance project I'm working on at the moment. This weekend I'll have the orthos up.

[Equinoxx]

Kirt, no probs man ;) just take the time you need. If need be i'd build him without orthos at all hehe.

Remji, I know, just trying to light a small fire under kirts ass.

I've been busy anyhoo.

cheers all.
Having great fun with this one :)

[Equinoxx]

thought i'd get some juices going with any luck by posting some updates ;)

http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/wip/deathrage/deathrage_collage_01.jpg

[Kirt]

HOLY! That's cool! Orthos ... you don't need no stinkin' orthos. Hehehehe. j/k - I know I said by the weekend I'd have them, what can I say ... I was wrong.

Looks real good though Equinoxx! The only crit I have is that the jester's hat looks fragile with those thin points. I'd prefer a thick and floppy hat (never cared much for the spindly look).

[Equinoxx]

yeah I had planned to change those more towards your concept, never got round to it tho . . . will change them eventually ofcourse. 1 because floppy is cool and two because it would prove to be less fragile :)

cheers, I was hoping you'd like it :D

ps. you can call me Yves, we're amongst friends ;)

[ilasolomon]

:eek: :surprised: I'm droped by this! Yves and Kirt, have a happy time with your statues! :-D

[detonum]

Erh..

http://www.planetsideimages.com/uploads/swordprogress1.jpg

Gonna work on it a little bit more tho...

[edit} and heres a progress of the whole thing...

http://www.planetsideimages.com/uploads/wholeprogress2.jpg

[Kirt]

Front view ...

http://kirt.cgcommunity.com/temp/deathrage-front.jpg

I think he looks real goofy in ortho views so please oh please tweek your meshes to add that extra toon character that's in the 3/4 view. Thanks.

I'll have some more drawings soon. Feel free to continue with minor changes to the design that you think will help your chances of winning the competition. Different pose is do-able as well.

Really impressive models so far. :thumbsup:

[detonum]

Thanks for the orthos Kirt!
Some progress on the body...The feet/shoes need alot of work..

http://www.planetsideimages.com/uploads/wholeprogress4web.jpg

[Kirt]

Looking good. I'd probably mix up the shape of the bones a bit so that they aren't identical and shape as needed around the foot. His knees look a little high, but I'm sure you're still working on these areas.

Keep up the great work. I'll try to get the side and back view up soon. Plus some details of his sword and whatever else I can think of.

Keep going back to that first image for reference. It has more info in it (I think) than the orthos.

[Equinoxx]

I'm lovin this challenge :cool:
Made some changes to the jestercap, to flatten out the point, but it's hard to see it from this FOV.
Figured it might be good to slightly form the bones around his lowerleg instead of having straigt bones, so that you'd actaully half his bones form a sort of shin + calve outline. [ehm hows that written in english again]

More updates soon [trying some different methods on gettnig the diamond padded shirt into 3d pads while maintaing the overal form of the body]

http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/wip/deathrage/deathrage_wip_06.jpg

[detonum]

Looking good equinoxx...

I've been trying a few techniques too..

http://www.planetsideimages.com/uploads/diamondpatterntech.jpg

This technique is very heavy, the shirt weights in the render about 100 000 polygons... And I have to solve some mapping issues :) But I'll do the padding in the end, obviously...

[Equinoxx]

I take it those pads are done via Displacement ??

there's got to be a better way . . . I tried it but as you can see, in the deaper areas you get some artifacting going on . . .

I was thinking perhaps using section object to project the diamond outlines on the mesh, then clean it up and follow that, reconstructing the bodymesh. Helluva work but it think it'd prove to be the cleanest result while keeping polycount to a minimum.

[nibo]

Way to go Equi!!
:arteest:
:beer:

[detonum]

Yes equi that's displacement. But I was experimenting it a bit more, and found out that you can get a better result if you add one subdivision after the displacement.

Alright, here is an update.

http://www.planetsideimages.com/uploads/wholeprogress5web.jpg

[Teyon]

Remember gang, displacements won't carry over to the milled object. You have to actually model that stuff on the shirt. Looking good though.

Out of curiousity, you are planning to pose it after it's modeled?

[detonum]

Teyon: Max has mesh displacement, so that it affects the mesh straightly. But im propably going to model it anyway :) .

I will atleast pose it. Not posing this character would propably not be a character at all, because of his rage :)

[ilasolomon]

Actualy no need for displacment, with a few poligons for each diamone it is done, I did a quick test and I came up with this. :-)
You have to re-order/re-create the edge loops on shirt.

http://www.ilasolomon.com/Temp/diamond.jpg

[katon]

Does anyone have any updates? They were looking sweet, dont stop now.

Katon

[Equinoxx]

no updates at the moment, work had me swamped for over a month, will pick this up soon tho, no worries.

[detonum]

Sorry, but I'm propably going to have to give up. Im fed up with max, I'm in the process of moving to maya...I think Maya is better for my personal reference. I would continue the model in maya, but I think my skills in it aren't up to speed yet... (And, heh, it's impossible to fight against a moderator in the public voting :p )

So, Let's hope equinoxx finishes the model in time :) Good luck, the model is looking great.

[Kirt]

Like Yves ... swamped at work. I've been pulling 12 hour shifts at work for about a month now. :argh: I got a couple days off at the end of this week. I'll get any last minute sketches and questions taken care of in time for the deadline.

detonum - Sorry to hear you're dropping out. Your model was looking fantastic! I wish you would reconcider.

[Grugi]

very good work from you guys. looking forward to see the finished ones.

Please visit our thread :)
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=142584


-Grugi

[Kirt]

Yves, I hope you can finish this guy up on what I've supplied. I think you're right on with the character concept even though I didn't get full side and back orthos done. The sword's sheath or scabbord (whatever it's called) is really optional at this point.

Add it to his back, hip or leave it out ... I don't care. I hardly drew the character with it anyway because he had no use for carrying a sword casually ... he was always in the heat of battle with someone or something.

As for the sword itself, I always imagined it to have a bone handle or something similar in appearance to a bone forearm and hand grasping a spherical gem at the end. Again, optional details since the character used many different types of magic swords. I really like the blade you've modelled so far.

What's important is to represent the character in a 3D model and I think what you've gotten done is superb and I couldn't ask for much better. Hope you have time to finish him.

Here's my final composite for submission:

http://kirt.cgcommunity.com/temp/deathrage-final.jpg

Oh ... and it was stupid of me to think that I would have time to work on this the past couple days. I had surgery done on my sinuses and I was figuring an easy couple day of laying around so I could finish drawing. Well, for those who don't know ... it felt like someone pulling my wallet up and out through my nostrils. I spent the last couple of days in a vicotin enduced delirium. Sorry. :hmm:

[Teyon]

Hope you heal up real nice Kirt. I'm hoping you all get them models done in time because it would be a pleasure to mee you all on the field of Battle! Good luck to ya.

[Equinoxx]

Hmm I hope i have time to finish him up, need to rig him + add those darn armor patches for which i still haven't found time to think about.

on the brightside, it's a still model, so I might be able to fudge it with the rigging and do a quick hack to get him into position, same with the pads, might be able to just slab them all on as singlepiece mesh . . .

luckilly, monday is a free day here so i might have time then [and quite possibly sunday.

[Kirt]

Not going to finish, Yves?

Oh well, maybe you can finish it later. I'd still like to send this off to 3DArtToPart to get a print. The price is right, I may be able to afford a print for you. Thanks for your try.

[sculpter21]

I just viewed this post late looks like you guys nailed the character anyone else got any model sheets they want to throw up I would like to take a crack at it.

Alex

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