Mouth eating litterature

[jeroentje]

He Carlocki :wavey:

Ehm... could you please explain something about this?
What are we looking at, and what will you do with it?

Sorry, but I don't really understand.
(And my Italian is a little rusty aswell ;) so what's the text on the left saying?)

jeroentje

[Carlocki]

hi jeroentje

The new avatar is great

so first the one u see is not really a WIP is just a sketch for a WIP
maybe a 3d stuff
I have to make an 3X3 meter board to be positionated on some streets of my city
i have 20 days to finish it
It is a image with which i try to show the meaning of Crossroad and "plot" in literature
in italian these words are very similar to texture word
so my idea is to make croosroads with bands. Every band as a different language on
Ecriture is french for Writting. The babilonian signs are the signs to say writting and tablet.
tha mouth inside rappresents the idea of "calling" people to the event
infact is just a promotion for yuong wirters of my city

do u understand please ask me again if u need more explation

[jeroentje]

He thanks, I'm planning on some more personal-situation-avatars in the future...

Okay, I understand the piece now.
I was thinking a few things;
- If it stands on a crossroad, why do a pic of a crossroad? Seems a bit double to me.
- If it's on the street, and whole Turino is meant to see it, try to make something that a lot of people will understand, so they will feel good about it and maybe read some of those guys... since that's the meaning of the whole project.

So, what I was thinking of; put a (short) line of text in from one of those writers, in a nice well to be read typeface (like an FF Scala, or an ITC Stone Serif). And that deals with the assignment of crossroads and stuff.

jeroentje :beer, and lots of it: :beer:
(hope you don't think I'm too picky, but typography has been an important part of my job for the last 12 years...)

[Carlocki]

Originally posted by jeroentje
He thanks, I'm planning on some more personal-situation-avatars in the future...
they are great...are u pissed off this period?

Okay, I understand the piece now.
I was thinking a few things;
- If it stands on a crossroad, why do a pic of a crossroad? Seems a bit double to me.
crossroad is also the italian word for fusion of styles...so is not just a double..anyway i have to work on it


- If it's on the street, and whole Turino is meant to see it, try to make something that a lot of people will understand, so they will feel good about it and maybe read some of those guys... since that's the meaning of the whole project.
that's right i'm sure of it


So, what I was thinking of; put a (short) line of text in from one of those writers, in a nice well to be read typeface (like an FF Scala, or an ITC Stone Serif). And that deals with the assignment of crossroads and stuff.
this could be a good idea. but the boards are positionated 4.5 meters from ground, and the writters are so much i can't prefer one or two


jeroentje :beer, and lots of it: :beer:
(hope you don't think I'm too picky, but typography has been an important part of my job for the last 12 years...)


no u are great as always.....i hope to post every stuff of this work during this days and recieve a lot of good idea as now from u these stuff of typography is GREAT

:beer:

[Carlocki]

the critique from soe of my collaborator s is that it's too much Rock band style

[jeroentje]

No I'm red like a lobster from a long weekend in the sun of France and enoyed to be back up north.

About the long list of writers; that doesn't matter, as long as you find a good line that can represent the meaning of the concept. Like one line that says it all.

So if you find that line, then you can adapt your design to that. Than the design will make the message stronger and vice-versa. And that's what good typography is all about.

jeroentje

[Carlocki]

is so incredible for an italian talkin about France as South!!!


anyway thanks for hte help
i hope to post soon an upgrade

[jeroentje]

LOL! Yes offcourse, haha. We have a lot of "South" here in Holland ;)

btw, you will post a picture of you under the board in the street, won't you?

[Carlocki]

My group is now choosing among three subjects, tommorow morning everything will be done

1: Mouth, papyrus Bands, writings as image

Positive:
A big mouth in the sky of Torino. Mouth is the symbol for comunication. A little manifastion need a clear sign of their intent. The idea fo Italian word for “TRAMA” is well rapresented by the papyrus bands whose meet each other. So in italian “TRAMA “ is the same of english INTERLACMENT in textile fabric and PLOT in literature. Every bands as a writting of a different culture as a link among culture too.
Negative:
Is it a lips liner spot? We use eye to read, hand to write, no mouth to do both.

Methods:
A human female model in 3d software. Highend textured as Kolher face in XSI FACE thread of a mounth ago. A lot of references photos selfmade with igenic paper bands on a human real model.

2: An axonometric Crossroad on background a Cartoonish Road Sign of “pathwalk”on foreground with the “man pathwalk stylized” that read a book


Positive:
a big link with the historic memory of the city. The boards on the street rapresents a crossroad too. As a surealistic paint reality and fantasy blend.

Negative:
Lost of textile link (very original no group thought of it). To much old idea about working on roads sign changing it (as "yeld" Pearl Jam album cover)

Method:
a cartoonish rendering of a part of medieval Torino: a crossroads
a cartoon "roads sign" a little bit ball-made with a pathwalk figure trasformed in a pathwalk figure who "reads a book".

3: A microscope photo of an orthogonal textile fabric blending whith blue eltric glowing writings
Positive:
A very clear message who give a lot of importance to the link between “TRAMA” word and textile fabric word - plot word.
Negative:
Not very clear at first sign. Lot of link with the city
Method:
A Textile microscope photo and a writting in blue eletric glowing as some Ad Harris tv spot http://www.edharriss.com/flood.htm

[jeroentje]

Mouth is the symbol for comunication.

But an eye is for a reader, I was thinking ;)

Okay,

Don't put in too much to think. People usually won't get it. And if they don't, your missing the goal. The thing about Graphic Design is, that it is a (very interesting) form of communuication. So here are jeroentje's basic steps in Graphic Design:

1. What do you want to tell? What is your message?
2. Think of a concept that will tell this message in the most clear and easy to understand way. With something that will keep peoples attention (a joke, something clever, something that touches them in there heart or whatever is effective and approriate).
3. Make a design that will emphasize this concept. That will go with the entire atmosphere it is supposed to bring up in the head of the reader.
4. Look at your final as if you had not designed it yourself. Would your mother understand it? If so, you did a pretty good job.
5. Get drunk and celebrate.

jeroentje :beer:

[Carlocki]

is incredible i was sendin na Email to my dear MOther with some sketches

ok i understand.....maybe i have to leave some hours everything then choose hoping doing my best

[jeroentje]

Just realize that a sim[ple idea is usually the most powerfull. And also the hardest thing to com up with. But that makes it also so much fun ;)

jeroentje
and say hi to your mum from me ;)

[Carlocki]

WIP BEGIN
http://digilander.libero.it/carlocki/Archivio%20Carlo/Untitled-5%20copy.jpg

[Carlocki]

http://digilander.libero.it/carlocki/Archivio%20Carlo/WIP-31%20copy.jpg

[Carlocki]

maybe a MOD has to put this on WIP section
sorry for the mistake

[Carlocki]

"to begin the WIPping dance of the dead"
http://digilander.libero.it/carlocki/Archivio%20Carlo/WIP-41%20copy.jpg

[morghen]

the first one looks crapy cuz you didn't put any shadows and the text should somehow get confused with the bands(try overlay or multiply in Ps) the second one is a nice ideea i would like it seen from the front and those bands a little bit smoother and some of them covering the eyes(the eyes should be visible but not to mutch...like 35% or 40)

[Carlocki]

hmm while i modeled i add to the first bands more detail and variety
for the writtings i thought about bump but what do u think about this solution?

the eyes ...yes they add something to face exxpression too still and cold (something near Giger)
http://members.tripod.com/artvisionary/images/giger.jpg

this a first very very very BRUTAL rendering

http://digilander.libero.it/carlocki/Archivio%20Carlo/test1.jpg

[morghen]

ehm...that glow of that band rulz! about the text...did you try what i said ? (sorry my spelling sux) just to see how it looks...try to fix the text like its writen on the bands...and about the eyes...i think you should try to add some deep beautifull eyes, you shuld bearly see the eyes trough the bands...like transparency

[Carlocki]

this week end i will try with the "TEXTS IDEAS"

for now i will pass wek end modelling new feamle head


http://digilander.libero.it/carlocki/Archivio%20Carlo/TEST16.jpg

the idea to see everything from hte front is still great

thank u for the advices Morghen

[morghen]

uhhm maby less of that glow..just a little bit lesser:bounce:

[morghen]

oh and do you have any ideeas for the background ? well i have :beer: ..hope you don't mind...i'll make you some if i'll have time
since i've replyed you...you should do the same for me and tell me what do you think of this image http://morghen.go.ro/morghen.jpg
its a image i intend to participate with at a contest.Its still in WIP but i would need some advices, thx.

[Carlocki]

hmmm do u want a backgorund for ur image or advices on it?
anyway try to study some projects of romanesque or gothic churches these could help u


here my last update
i'm not satisfied at all but deadline is come (anticipated holy sh...)


here UPDATE



http://digilander.libero.it/carlocki/Archivio%20Carlo/mummia_3.gif

[jeroentje]

Here's some sort of a suggestion for the back.
A circle like this usually gives me a fast and good result if I don't know anymore or when I'm in a hurry. (Or just plain lazy ;) )

Be sure to keep it in the colourrange of the subject, and NOT too bright. The mouth+ text needs the attention. not the back.

cheers, jeroentje

[Carlocki]

the gradient background is the only thing impossed by my tutor


anyway i tried the same u suggest me with a brwon and grey radial gradient
is very good seems a spotlight from the back

about typography? do u like it?


check ur private

[jeroentje]

It all feels kinda classic. So maybe choose a serif font. Anyway, I just like classical fonts a lot ;)

What do you think of this?

[Carlocki]

that's good
bands now seem really wind shocked (moved)

[jeroentje]

Yes, and it's got more dramatics, and it points towards the heading and your name now ;)

[Carlocki]

hihi is not my name they are all data from manifestation...so i understand why putting symbols of the commitent on down

[Carlocki]

finished!!!


http://digilander.libero.it/carlocki/Archivio%20Carlo/ecco.gif

[morghen]

EXCELENT i like it but i still think the text should be less visible

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