Beast of Burden - Character - .::STRIKE::.

[meloncully]

thats a pretty cool beast.
i think the area around the eyes and the back of the left shoulder could use a little work.


other than that. pretty cool

[sivel]

ah c trop barre ton truc la!! :eek:
j'a.d.o.r.e.
excellent design, pose super et en plus elle a une pure tete...
par contre ya un truc que je pige pas bien : tu bosses qu'avec des polys triangulaires? (c.f ta vue en wireframe)
c pas courant...ya une raison a ca?
a+!

[OZ]

So u .::STRIKE::.z Back!!!! lol!!!:eek: wow! massive creature man.........very good work as ever!:applause:

[rolhionjs]

Merci ! thx !

Pour les polys triangulaires, en fait c'est lorsque je fais une réduction polygonale que les polys quadrangle se transforment en triangulaires... Je comprends pas pourquoi, et tous mes modèles lorsque j'applique qemLOSS se transforment ainsi...

Par contre pour la modélisation de base j'utilise souvent des constructions en 3 points avec -p- mais une minorité souvent pour les raccords entre différents éléments.

[rolhionjs]

just a zoom :

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_005.jpg

[sivel]

tu devrais plutot utiliser plane belt optimizer (bandglue ds la version 7.5) pour reduire le nbre de polys de tes meshes.
comme ca tu garderais tes quads...
a+

[Koma]

Happy to see you here ,great beast ,j ai hate de voir le reste

[TylerHunter]

That pose it really nice, only crit is that you might wanna smooth out your poly topology a little more.


Good stuff

Tyler

[rolhionjs]

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_006.jpg

[stereo]

j le sent bien puissant ton bestiaux !
mais j attends d en voir un peu plus..... j ai bien peur que tu nous fasse du tres bô encore une fois.

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[ZrO-1]

Great beast strike. It looks like a cross between a bull and a gorrilla. Very cool concept, and a good start on the modeling.

[Meka]

superbe concept strike :)
bizare quand meme que tu n'ai que des triangles... ca te pose pas de prob au niveau du rendu ?

je vais ptet m'y mettre au challenge mais chui tellement noob que j'ose po trop... j'ai un concept en stock qui pourrait etre sympa. on verra ben.

keep it up :buttrock:

[rolhionjs]

Ose Meka ! ;) tu peux apprendre bcp en faisant ce genre de challenge, même si ce n'est qu'en participant.
Pour les triangles, non ça pose pas de pb de rendu. Merci pour ton comment ! :)

Well here's the main idea of the concept, the beast will haul a kinda big thing... héhé... I will let you discover it later...

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_008.jpg

[curseways]

salut Strike :)
Excellente modélisation, c vraiment bô.
En plus ta créature est trop chelou, mais j'aime :)
Sinon, le cahriot est pas un peu trop près ?
Enfin continue comme ça :)

Curseways

[Meka]

just pour savoir, tu as utilisé quelle méthode pour ta modélisation ? box, patch ? tu as des bonnes url pour apprendre avec des object/charactères simples ?

[rolhionjs]

Pour la modélisation, c'est du même cru que mon tuto sur http://www.lightwave.online.frhttp://www.lightwave.online.fr

J'ai pour certaines parties utililsé les splines et pour d'autres du point par point en les transformant en polys avec -p-
Mais la majorité de la bête est faite avec des ball, box, et pour les roues du futur chariot il s'agit simplement d'opérations booléenes en substract.

Pour les tutos, je dois dire qu'à part inside lightwave que tu connais, et les qques liens que j'avais posté sur NK il y a un moment, je n'ai pas grand chose à te proposer :shrug: ...

Mais n'hésite pas à mailer comme je te disais ;)

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_009.jpg

[Slot]

Very interesting concept. It is not only a simply ugly baddass beast, there is something really sad in it´s body and face expression.

Keep up the good work.

[rolhionjs]

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_010.jpg

[Clockwork]

It's a great beast, however, something about the surfaces bug me, The outside shape looks great, but irregular bumps and angles make it look like the mesh underneath is one god awful mess, could you post the wireframe?

[OZ]

HuHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuu!!:bounce: ........what the hell!!!!! .::STRIKE::. i got to say.....u are an true artist of "RENDERING" (ur last challenge was amazing)...this model is fantastic.....it make me feel....i dont know how to say......mmmm......is like this beast could be real..........great design....is life like...so....i think u must texture and render it beyond the challenge.........very very powerfull...............:applause:

[sivel]

ah mais non mais non alors!!
il faudra un jour que tu m'expliques comment tu fais pour modeliser aussi vite...t'aurais pas 2 paires de bras par hasard? :)
bon, j'adore le concept, c vraiment chouette!
ces enormes roues la, ca le fait vraiment.
allez hop, moi j'y retourne vu que je dois avancer a peu pres 10* moins vite que toi... :hmm:

this guy rocks!!

[stereo]

strike une fois de plus c est excellent mais il a une ambiance etrange dans ton image , pas qu elle me deplaise mais on dirais que tout est enveloppé dans des feuilles de papier (moyeux roues , mains .
le plis du poignet fait aussi penser a du carton ...


peut etre est ce voulu en tt cas ca n enleve en rien la qualite de ta mise en scene et de ta modelisation.

bravo:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Chico]

however, something about the surfaces bug me, The outside shape looks great, but irregular bumps and angles make it look like the mesh underneath

This is what makes Srikes work so great.

Stike, you seem to be able to treat the 3d medium more like a clay substance than most. your work is irregular, but it stands out soo much from the standard smooth Sub-Div charaacter.

Keep doing what it is you do Strike:thumbsup:

[rolhionjs]

Wow, thx for all your great comments guys !

About the irregularities, that's my wish (like Chico said) to create something unusual than the other meshes. I work sometimes like a sculpture, and the way it is right now makes you think of a clay modeling. That's not really usual, and maybe disconcerting, but that's the vision i want to give to this piece, and i hope you'll keep going seeing it ;)

I think for myself that this kinda of change for a mesh is maybe "weird" but why not change sometimes ? :)

I'll post a wireframe later of the main thing. Thank you all ! :)

[rolhionjs]

here's the wireframe for the beginning of the wagon :

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_012.jpg

[AroundTheFur]

only thing i dont like is that the wheels look like wet clay, the bottom is flat as thouh it cant support itself. lookin good tho

[rolhionjs]

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_013.jpg

[espaki]

Ha Ha!! Nice!! I like the look of the wheels and i'm glad they arent perfectly cylindrical. it gives them character. overall the style is great.

more!!:buttrock:

-Nate

[rolhionjs]

Just another angle of view. I think i'm gonna add more details of muscles to the beast and giving the wagon another form too.

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_014.jpg

[rolhionjs]

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_016.jpg

[Joril]

First off all, nice model, the "clay" style is actually quite unique.
My comment is just this (I hope it hasn't been said before):
and giving the wagon another form too.
That might be a good idea, because I don't really see the use in the wagon as it is now. Maybe if you attached a plow (a really big and heavy one ;) ) or someting, it would have a better use. :D

[Fetus23]

hey strike. I really liked your entry in the enchanted forest challenge....and this one looks just as unique. Maybe some work on the fingers, more definition...
fetus

[rolhionjs]

well, thx alot ! i'll try to do my best :)

Here's just another view and after this one, the start of the wagon contained ;)

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_017.jpg

[rolhionjs]

my canon wagon :) (just a start)

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_018.jpg

[pascal_blanche]

really nice work strike, I like the overhall shape of your beast and itts burden.. on cool thing to do would be to move the left arm more in the body axis so we can feel the weight ..try to do the same pose by yourself, you'll fall for sure!!! ( im not saying that youare shaped like this ;) )

[Meka]

yop strike !
ton model avance bien je trouve et j'aime beaucoup l'idée du canon. Je pense que tu devrais peut etre revoir un peu les mains, poignets et avant-bras (surtout les mains et poignets).

En tout cas ce que j'adore dans tes images c'est le manque de "perfection" qu'on retrouve dans pas mal d'autres images. Ca ajoute beaucoup au feeling de tes créations et bien que certains semblent critiquer cela, je pense au contraire que ca apporte une force de caractère indéniable à tes personnages.

boboulo :buttrock:

[rolhionjs]

Wow, thanks Pascal ! :) I'll move this arm as soon as possible ! :)

Meka : je vais m'occuper de tous ces détails dès que j'ai terminé le chariot, rajouter un peu de muscles, bouger le bras gauche, les poignets et tout le reste ;) Merci ami :)

Here's an update for the burden and different views of the aspect. Don't care about the no details stuff, it's just the idea

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_021.jpg

[rolhionjs]

I thought about adding rear wheels and it would give this result :

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_chariot.gif

What do you think of the idea ? I mean with only 2 wheels, the canon seems to be unstable, and will probably fall back... so just wondering... help needed...

[Joril]

Hmm, I'd go with the 4 wheels, 2 looks to instable.
If you would go with 2, I suggest you make the cannon stand up, you know, erect.
Hmm, I'd also make the area where it is resting on larger, one bump on the road and the cannon tips over.
Poor beast, the whole thing looks damn heavy.

just a little edit
Is the cannon shooting ovale cannonballs?

[ZrO-1]

Is that a cannon the beast is pulling? If so all you have to do is move the two wheels back to the end of the cart and re-enforce the supports that the beast is holding/strapped to.

[hypercube]

This is getting more and more interesting as you go..

4 wheels, definitely..as heavy as that cannon seems it would definitely tip and lift the beast up..looks to have a hard enough time pulling it without holding it up as well. I think pointing it upwards might be a good idea either way though, since it would pound him with recoil from firing..or is this cannon just being transported? I agree it needs more cart under it as well no matter what though.

[rolhionjs]

hmmm... my idea was just the cannon is being transported. I think if i keep only 2 wheels pulled back, the main piece will lost a part of its massive appearance, even if i renforce the holding stuffs to the beast and hiring it up.
In other way, puting 2 more wheels will add to this massive appearance, and will change nothing to the actual position and to the mass. Maybe i'm wrong...

The sure thing is that beast is just here to transport this cannon from a point to another, and has no matter to battle in any kind. So... still wondering...

joril : in fact the main cannon will be more a kinda big laser blaster, so the hole will be different ;) I have a ton of details to add to this blaaaassttt :)

[Fedron]

I agree with the 2 wheel eleccion. 4 is not so original. It's true too about the bad actual balance. But i love the way the beast is a little inside or between the 2 giant wheels. So i will keep the original configuration and only move the cannon just over the wheels axis. Maybe your will have to move it up a little to avoid the driver place. And for the holding stuff remember that they have 2 use, the pulling use AND the stabilisation use ones the canon is deployed. Well, like all transportables canons. Think in that for further mods.
Hope this help you.
Cheers.

[rickycox]

hey this guy is straining, the veins are a good touch, it kind of looks a bit surreal but also I keep thinking of a guy in a wheelchair. Keep going man ...

[pascal_blanche]

I would keep 2 wels too (more original).. and add maybe a little third one for the balance..

[rolhionjs]

ok... so i think i'm gonna keep only two and maybe 3 (i'ill test it Pascal), but just to a render to show you the 4 wheels version :

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_022.jpg


I changed the left arm too, to the right axis :) thx for all your great critics guys ! :)

[erilaz]

There isn't a smiley big enough to show the amount of gobsmackedness I have for this model. The rickety look of the wheels is brilliant.

[hiko_]

Superbe réalisation .::STRIKE::. !!! tu as bien progresssé depuis tes premiers challenges :) :applause:

[Rex]

WOW~you are fast!damn good!and I agree the pascal blanch about the wheel~It seema little too crowded~









Check out my Beast of Burden (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12984&pagenumber=1)

[rolhionjs]

Thanks erilaz, Hiko :) , and rex !

Well i think i found the solution for the burden :
I reduced the lenght of the cannon, so like that, the main burden seems to be stable in movement. As it is now, i can just keep the 2 wheels, and like on this last render, i will add a 3rd movable wheel, which will be working only to stabilise the cannon before shooting. I'll add wood parts near the wheels to evit the back move when it will shot.

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_023.jpg

[stereo]

tres bonne idée
ca devient de plus en plus beau
j n ai pas de rmqs particulieres mis a part pt etre l esieu qui me parait tres finement usiné par rapport au reste de la structure le la roue,
je trouve que ton image degage bcp d emotions


bvo:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Joril]

You're going to make the cannon shoot horizonatally? The cannon ball won't go all to far like that.

I don't know about the balance, the cannon is not above the axis of the wheels, and with a cannon that massive, and a beast that near to the axis, I think the whole thing will work as a lever and lift your beast into the air.
The creature btw, seems to be designed to lean on it's arms.
I think a good fix would be to move the axis backwards.

[rolhionjs]

So, modeling this last 3rd wheel, modifying the cannon, adding some details... tired... bed time :)

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_025.jpg

[Rex]

This is better!nice job and thought~




Check out my Beast of Burden (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12984&pagenumber=1)

[ZrO-1]

Great solution to the weight problem. The mods you made look goregeous. No crits, I think it's perfect so far. :thumbsup:

[Koma]

tres bien petit strike ,super les l'idée des roues ,j adore ton bob ,si je me trompe pas les gances sont en cuir de wamapa non hi hi hi....:thumbsup: :bounce:


keep it up dude

[rolhionjs]

adding some details, and the cannon pilot :)

Thanks all. Gabe : bien sûr que c'est du cuir de wamapaa ! :) :bounce:

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_029.jpg

[Crode]

Nice! i really like the detail you have put in so far. I do have a suggestion also and that would be to move the beast farther out from the wagon-cannon cart thing so his back legs can be seen:) It would also help balance his load so he wouldnt get lifted up into the air

[swag]

this is my fav at this time - very nice style - the anatomy of the hand
is too humanoid in my eyes - if he use the hand to move forward the skeleton deform with the evolution but :applause: this is my fav

[Meka]

Au risque de me répéter : j'adore ton style et le feeling qui se dégage de tes créations... encore une fois tu fais des modifs qui augmente nettement la qualité de ton BOB. Bien joué !!!

[Gollum]

:eek:
Nice composition! Both the BoB and the carriage look fantastic!
The support for the cannon could do with some detailing (a bit boxy) and the beast could be a metre or so further ahead of the wheels, other than that I am still speechless and admiring every pixel...
:thumbsup:

[Scorpio]

Very nice work. Will you be adding textures?:beer:

[rolhionjs]

well thanks for your replies ! :)

I need to add more details for this mod, so i'm not sure i will texture it for the challenge. Anyway, i hope i'll have time to do it later ;) . But for now, as i said, i think i'm gonna work alot on tiny details all around it to accentued the whole thing :)

to be continued soon :)

[leigh]

As usual, you've produced an really bizarre yet extremely cool character, Strike! Looking awesome!!! :thumbsup:

[iC4]

wonderful, like it if somebody has his own style like you :thumbsup:

[rolhionjs]

Thanks Leigh :) it's a great compliment !
IC-4 : Wow i'm getting a red face ! lol thanks


just a little update :

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_030.jpg

[Daxx]

WOW!! Very HEaVY Beast!! :thumbsup:

[Rex]

WOOOOW~:bounce: :bounce:

great work of yours!and I also like the camera angle you pick!
keep on man!Check out my Beast of Burden (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12984&pagenumber=2)

[boromir]

J'admire de plus en plus ton travail .::STRIKE::. , même si nous ne sommes pas d'accord sur certains points, cela n'enlève rien à ton talent. Pour les remarques, je ne verrai que certains détails à ajouter comme un peu plus de lannières croisées sur le bras, et changer la forme du support essieu sur la roue qui me paraît un peu trop net. Essaie aussi de rendre ton canon moins usiné en utilisant plus de rondeurs dans ce dernier. Même chose pour les parties arrières du chariot qui sont trop rectangulaires à mon goût. Pour les angles de vue, rien à dire... c'est vraiment beau, sans parler du rendu. check your mails pendant que j'y suis ;)

[rolhionjs]

just a test of compositing :
(not for the challenge)


http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_031.jpg

[Carl]

um, ok, wow :surprised . Could you please explain what went into making the composited image? Awesome!

[leigh]

That's frigging brilliant!! :eek:
Strike, you have such an awesome style!! It's so unique :thumbsup:
That composite is absolutely excellent!!!

[Artifex]

Simply stunning!!! :bounce: :airguitar :applause:

[swag]

puhhh - nothing to say - incredibly - have u layered texture and paint over or what technique u use for this

[rolhionjs]

Well in fact i just did this test for fun under photoshop, with textures layers and from the last blue render i did. It was just to vision what could be the later use of this piece, and help texturing later by puting some woods or skin textures and giving it a way of old thing... like a painting or drawing :) ... But anyway it was just for fun and i don't think it will be admit for the challenge, so i keep working on my grey-blue render ;)

[Biohazard]

Very very nice render on the last pic ! :bounce:
Quite close to illustration. Great work.

The modeling is detailled and seems realistic too. I like it. :)

[rolhionjs]

well thanks !

I think i added alot of details now, and here are the last updates and maybe last, coz i don't know for now what i could add :


http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_032.jpg

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_033.jpg

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_034.jpg

[rolhionjs]

and coz you liked the last work here are these 2 angles with composites :

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_032_bis.jpg

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_033_bis.jpg

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_034_bis.jpg

[ZrO-1]

STRIKE, you have done an incredable job with this piece. This is quite easilly my favorite piece you have done so far. I'll try and think of some other things you could add to the scene (not because it needs it...just for fun).

Great work my man! :bowdown: :applause: :bowdown:

[pascal_blanche]

nice work strike! come on! you have all the time for more adds!

[rolhionjs]

Thanks ZRO-1 :)

Well Pascal, in fact i will not have time til now to do anything more :(

So i modifyed some stuffs, adding tiny details, so now here are my final image of renders for the challenge :

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/july_strike_final.jpg

[hiko_]

aie aie aie ... :applause:
vraiment superbe !

mon préféré :thumbsup:

[mv]

It's fun... çà degage en même temps une impression of power and in the same time a sensation of fragility :
the wheels seems être faites of a very fragile material, on the edge of breaking at n'importe quel moment.La disproportion de la bête adds to this feeling.
J'aime vraiment. J'aurais aimé le voir avec plus de details; mais rien que comme çà ,composé, çà à un style "fini".

See you.

[ZrO-1]

Beutiful work STRIKE. You've made a really amazing piece.

[Fedron]

Wow!! Very nice work strike!!!

You know what is my preferd details? The guy with the whip!!

Et j'ai comme la sensation que si le type continue a foueter ca comme, le Taurilla ,qui n'a pas l'aire comode :mad:, va se retourner a n'importe quel moment et lui arracher sauvagement la geule :twisted: . Et puis prendre le fouet a sont tour , attacher les 2 minus au chariot :drumrock: et les faire tirer comme des betes!!

Pour la protection des conditions de travail des Taurilla......:deal:

[Jacko Cohen]

supacool :bounce: :bounce:
i like that ben-hur thing you got going there.
one thing that bugs me tho,
his back legs - i'd make them stronger and change their angle a bit.
:wavey:

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