Machineflesh 2D Challenge Entry: Pierrick MARTINEZ

[Friedric P]

Yeah! Un peu de douceur dans un monde de grosbills...
Good luck old gnou des bois... :thumbsup: :buttrock: :buttrock:

[Pierrick]

Well.... I want to make a fotorealistic picture like a shot taken from a movie.

Good luck tu everybody!

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080085374_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080085374_large.jpg)

Go on for he first sketch!

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080118248_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080118248_large.jpg)

Hey... here is a first research of color.

About the concept...

- The first ID which appears in my head by viewing the post of the 2D Challenge is a girl with some organique and mechanical muscle.

- This scene will take place in a nearly futur 'n will demonstrate pricisely the mix organique-mechanical and a bit electronic.

- This technique is a kind of new surgery practiced by the best of the doctors. (anatomy masters!)

- I want to make a big shot of the hand and studied the anatomy of the arm-hand to do a concept-design the more realistic.

- All muscles and elements need to be well placed and realy photorealist! It's My challenge!

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080124746_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080124746_large.jpg)

I add some details...

[StayFrosty]

I really like your composition, it's very dynamic.
However to my eyes the way the doctor is positioned looks a little like an afterthought and takes away from a really strong image. I'm sure this will develop really well, I'm be watching this thread anyway!

[Friedric P]

Ouch... You didn't choose an easy subject... But as everytime you post a work, I blame you for hesitating too much between realistic and non-realistic, this time it's clear!! :p
Keep going! :beer:

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080171131_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080171131_large.jpg)

an update with more details....
i had a big verin to consolidate the composition....

see U nxt post!

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080230076_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080230076_large.jpg)

I try to accentuate some part of the pic by lighting and colors... It's not the good one! :p

[Pumpuli]

Good, strong composition and a nice subject. Good details.

If I were you, I would separate the background (the woman) strongly from the foreground (the hand, the instruments and the surgeon), either with colors or lighting. In your latest schetch the hand doesn't stand out enought from the background and the effect is a bit chaotic. Besides, why would the womans naked body be brightly lighted? The doctor is operating only on the hand. Or are there some voyeurs nereby? :)

[j.peeba]

Looking good so far. Although one thing which confuses me here is the perspective. It's very hard to figure out that what's the distance between the characters.

The doc is working on the elbow area although his scale (eg compare the size of his hands with the patient's) suggests that he would appear to be more close to the "camera".

Also, the doc's eye doesn't seem to point at the area he's operating at.

Keep up the good pace :)

[Pierrick]

Hem... so...

>> Pumpuli: Yeah, U probably have right about the background. But I'm studied how to keep a good contrast (between the innocent girl and this violent surgery) and atenuate the chaotic side.

I will probably remove the mask on the girl to show clearly her innocent face to accentuate this contrast.

It s so easy to represent a shocking scene... i just want to show this big opposition.

I hav added the blue light not cause im a voyeurs! Maybe it is my avatar which show me as a dangerous psychotic guy!! But no, i don't. :thumbsup:
The blue light reveal a innocent and beautifull girl and if I hide the girl, the composition is only focused on the arm-hand... not what i want.

Anyway, i will post some details soon.
:D


>> nitroSqueel : The doctor isn't so important. On my last post, i have changed a bit the composition... It was right that he was a bit too out of the action. cheers!



Go on for commenting!!

[Commander Falk]

Hey ! I'm a voyeur ! :D

Mmh, in the last one there's too much of anything I think, I don't really know where to look at, because of the lazer light, the doctor's tool light, and the light on the body.

Mmh we already talked about, but the doctor operating with the head so close to the body seems weird to me.

IMO, this kind of "micro-surgery" would be done with a micro-camera or something like that, and th doctor would move 2 joysticks to operate.

Of course this would change your illus' quite "a bit".

Personnally, I would try to play with the beauty of the girl, the "relative" beauty of metal pieces (chrome, the lazer, and things like that), and the "uglyness" of the blood and flesh (well it's not that ugly, but when we see it, it means there's something wrong :D )

Tcho' !

[crazybread]

I like your graphical aproach to your color sketch but like Commander Falk mentioned. He makes some valid points.
Anyways this piece makes me feel wierd because I burned my right hand with lard last summer check it out if you dare. (I'm warning you its sick)!!!

www.nikiforuk.com/images/hand_burn_1weekold.jpg (http://nikiforuk.com/images/hand_burn_1weekold.jpg )

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080651267_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080651267_large.jpg)

Hey, here is a new idea.... Just the beginning...

I work on the line-art...

Cheerz!

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080683353_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080683353_large.jpg)

some colors.... not very interresting, just to updae the WIP!

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080830361_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1080830361_large.jpg)

I'm just processing about the hand....
See U next WIP....

[bonestudio]

this is the billion dollar girl ;)

Good luck for your picture !!! Because photorealism is very hard to do without photo references !!!

Beware of anatomy pbs, your sketch must be "perfect" before coloring. I think there are some pb with the perspective of the arm... the forearm is a bit small compared to the hand, and the hand is very big compared to the doctor's head...

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1081159569_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1081159569_large.jpg)

another pic!....

Cheers for all comments!! They are so helpfull. :p

See U next post!

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1081242498_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1081242498_large.jpg)

Here is a first research about the mood and the lighting....

I have try to blur the little monitor on the foreground... I will try to blur some elements to increase the deep.

SeeU

[Russo]

wow man,.. it´s getting better and better... great!

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1081417718_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1081417718_large.jpg)

New picture!

I have:
- worked on the details,
- add some green colour to atenuate the red,
- search a style for the final render,

Hope U like the modifications.
Cheers!

[Ivars]

Wow, this is shaping up nicely!
My concern would be with the doctors eye.... he dosen´t seem to be looking at where his hands are.

That´s about it. Excellent work!:buttrock:

[harnelbe]

:buttrock:
Very nice update !
Great attention to details and textures
and lighting and mood and colors and...
:thumbsup:
More More !!

[AirbORn]

Very nice work you are doing. the lighting and colouring is awsome too, keep it up!

[shinja]

OMG that is insane. :bowdown:

Great attention to texture, detail and lighting. It gives a very nice specular bloom effect. im guessing u still have to work on the back ground and the chick ?

Great job once again..:applause:

[BartokDesign]

Thats a nice work , I can almost feel the ambient
:applause:

[Pierrick]

Hey everybody!

Im very happy that u like this last one. :surprised

shinja >> Right, a massive work need to be done for the environment, lighting, textures, and more more details!

Ivars >> You have right about the doctors eye.... It need to be changed.... :thumbsup:

I will modify the attitude of the doctor too cause he don't look like enough serious.

Anyway thank U very much for this replies!
More details soon...

[bonestudio]

you're right to change the attitude of the doctor !

But I have to say that what you've done with the hand is totally amazing !!!!!!!! Very impressive man

[Speaky]

I like the overall composition, and it's a very compelling image. I chose to have a look at your entry because the thumbnail pic on the machineflesh entry viewing page works well, and that's always a good sign. People have made some good constructive comments which I agree with, too.

I do find myself wishing that the fleshy sinews and muscle was a little bit darker and deeper red. And maybe oozing a bit more, and looking more wet.....

I'll be keeping my eye on this one, good luck!

[Khar3D]

Woooww.............

I love you work man....

Can see the details..........great!!!!

[chrislomaka]

wow man, this ROCKS!

my only comment is about the laser/light on the right side. it seems a bit distracting... i keep going from where the dr.'s working to there and back. if you were to lose the light there, and add a little more light to the hand itself, i think it might work better, imho.

but that's fairly minor compared to the awesome job you've done so far. love the choice of the green light; it works well.

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1081467877_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1081467877_large.jpg)

Ho, cheers for all this positiv replies!!

I have modified the attitude of the doc', change the position of the "litl" finger. This position seems to be more natural.

I have mainly worked on the doctor. The hands are more detailed...

So, That's all for today... I'm too tired.

Cheers again for this constructives comments!!

See U nxt Post!

[harnelbe]

The deep field effect his very well done.
Metal material effect are very realistic
Did you have any photo reference for your
doctor ? I love the amount of details you put on your picture, and thoses suggested by the light, very professional !
Very great !

:thumbsup:

[Shinwa]

I had some comments, a lot in agreement with other feedback, but you've dealt with a lot of it when you dealt with the lighting. I'd love to see more details in the arm and focused area. I think you mentioned that you are working on that though -

Nice Work!

[ESAD]

This is absolutely beautiful. Great Job. A masterpiece in the making.

[EmpY]

Love your WIPs. You just go further and further.
Image is abs great!
Looking up for more!:thumbsup:

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1081522010_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1081522010_large.jpg)

More n more details....
I work on the style of the render.

Im going to wait some days to let come some new elements and ideas.

Thank U for all comments!! So helpfull... ! Cheers to everybody...
No, I don't have any foto ref... I don't like it. Just my imagination and my hand! :p

Bye.

[theuni]

Hi,

great idea you got there showing the process of machineflesh and not just the result. I really like your lightning.

[harnelbe]

:applause:
so good hand you have :)

[AirbORn]

Very nice, I love the atmosphere you are creating ^^

[brunowerneck]

Pierrick,

I'm surprised to see how much your piece has evolved since your first subimission. I love seeing work in progress, step by step like that. Later, I'm going to take a good look at it and break it down so I can learn from it.

Nice lighting, color and composition... you were able to generate mood in this piece and not too many people are able to accomplish that. Good job man!

My only concern Pierrick is: what you have been working on so far, to me, looks more like concept art for film (or a film pitch) than character design itself.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or if you desagree in any way, but isn't this mainly a character design contest?

Aside from the details on the mechanical arm, how much character design are you really showing in your illustration?

That's my one and only concern Pierrick. But aside from that, you do great work man, and it's inspiring...

let me know your opinion on this...

Bruno

[Shinwa]

I would have to say that the rules just say create an image.....

It does specify all the ways they want it to be unique, along with suggestions....but I figured 3d was more character design and 2d was more illustration....could someone let me know if they find out certainly otherwise??

I believe this image does a good job with telling a story, and suggesting reasons someone might use this technology while showing the precedure. The attention to detail is wonderful and you have a great sense of mood. I can't wait to see the final!


Again - anyone let me know if they find out otherwise on the specifics of character desig vrs a finalized illustration?

Thank You

[NinjaA55N]

Coz my english is not so good, I'll just copy/paste some stuff from other users, to express my opinion...

"I'm surprised to see how much your piece has evolved since your first subimission. I love seeing work in progress, step by step like that. Later, I'm going to take a good look at it and break it down so I can learn from it.

Nice lighting, color and composition... you were able to generate mood in this piece and not too many people are able to accomplish that. Good job man!"

by brunowerneck

These r my thoughts exactly! Cant wait to see the final version.

[neble]

This is really progressing nicely. The only thing that I'm not sure about is where your trying to lead the eye. There's so many tubes and such, but they're not leading the eye to a central focal point...yet. I do believe it will come naturally.

[grafi]

This is going really well! :buttrock:

I would suggest maybe adding a little detail into the hair of the woman, she looks a little too manga on that side of her.


good stuff, keep going. :thumbsup:

[CoolBird]

how do u make it so blury??

[eupee]

far out man.. is don. is good. i love it. Can't find any flaws that you probably dont know about, this is great:drool:

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1081859050_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1081859050_large.jpg)

Wow!! Thanx for this comments!

Theuni >> Thanx, I just have develop my really first idea...

Harnelbe >> Do U think so? It needs to improve a lot ...

Airborn >> Thanks! Many more atmosphere-tests will be posted later. I don't like this one ...

Bruno >> I try to done a clear WIP first for me. Good to know it can help you.
Quand a etre hors-sujet, je ne le pense pas. Tant que y a de la viande et de la machine dans une meme créature. :p

Shinwa >> My personal challenge is to have a kind of shot taken from a SF movie.

About your observation about the 2D n the 3D, I think they just seems to be a medium. I think you can do what you want with both of them. :)

NinjaASSN >> Great thanks!!

neble >> Right... The tubes don't lead naturally the eye in a focal point. I will work on it soon. Thanx!

grafi >> Yes! Right too about the hairs... have a look later... they will be here. Cheers!

CoolBird >> I work on photoshop... Just duplicate a layer, blur it a lot n set the opacity to aproximatly 40%.

eupee >> Thanks man!!


So, about my new pic:
- Change of mood
- More details
- More green
- More bright

Bye

[Jjack]

wow , the muscles and light are ... i dont know how to say that , fantastic ?
in fact everything is :buttrock:

[EmpY]

I think background displays do not play.
"argll...II" update looked so magical.
Thats just my thoughts, do not get upset:)
:beer:

[theuni]

Hi,

just thought that it maybe would be a good idea to show some smoke were the lasers hit the flesh... offensive smell would give the image a new component...

[Ste]

Lovely colours! And very well rendered!
All the tendons and muscles etc look really good... and the technology fits in nicely. You could probably add some pipes or machinery to the foreground as an overlay to add a bit more dept? But thats the only bit of constructive criticism i can offer because it a great pic. Good luck!

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139150

[hdri]

I would exagerate the DOF effect, so the mech hand comes closer to camera, and the BG monitors just become into flaring lights. Definetely, I would eliminate the volume light on the FG. It is not clear where could it come from, so it just disturbs. On the other hand, your colouring process rocks, and it's leading you to a very nice pic. Congrats!

[bonestudio]

That's great !! Now I think you could add depth to your piece, accentuate the light where you want to fix the look of the viewer.

[Neozoom]

Simply awesome ! :buttrock:
Great concept and atmosphere...:applause:

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1083598437_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1083598437_large.jpg)

First, Thanks for all the comments!!
So cool and helpfull! :p

So, here is some changes...

[grafi]

very nice job!
its great :bowdown:

[londero]

VERY COOL JOB MAN!!!

My modest opinion is about the light... the version with less "blur lights" is more dramatic, more incomum...

well, it's FINE WORK.:thumbsup:

FORCE.

[hdri]

Monitors on the BG helped the pic to be deeper. Don't loose them!

[AirbORn]

OH man!!! I love your last image. I love the overall mood, and atmosphere you have created. I can't wait to see more! :thumbsup:

[Rameez]

Certainly this piece is one among the Top list.

Looking great in all aspect

Make final touches carelfully ...and u are done :thumbsup:

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1084690073_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1084690073_large.jpg)

The last post have been erased!.... i donno why. Probably some errors on the server.

New one!

[newone]

I like it!

[Kilduff]

great job, love seeing the progress. i cant belive how good this is turing out
keep up the good work

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1085128669_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1085128669_large.jpg)

The final touch is very difficult!!
Let's wait some days before adding the last details...

Anyway the whole pictures of this challenge are amazing!! It's a kind of Museum exposition.
I can easily stay 1 hour to visit some threads.

Good luck everybody!!

[SEL]

Looks like you have a great piece going on there. I saw this from the start and liked the composition. I would though if you have the time try to finish the nude girl, maybe be able to see bits and pieces of her body through light. The color tone of the above blue seems great. Anyhow, you still have tons of time, so keep going...

SEL
:thumbsup:

[claudiojordao]

Impressive work... keep operating!

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1085402738_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1085402738_large.jpg)

New kind of render....
I have add some blur elements to render this deeper.

I like to play with the colours.
It is nearly finish...
I will probably work on the head of the doc... not enough real.

Thanks everybody for your comments!!

[Rameez]

I can understand that u want to sharpen the area he is working
and blur the rest. But i think its gone bit too blurry when compared to ur previous stages. Particularly her fingers lost some details. There seams an overdose of pointallising. Try different
approaches before u finish the piece....
All the best

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1085561414_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1085561414_large.jpg)

Right, the last one was too rough...
I work on some details.

First close up !

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1085561514_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1085561514_large.jpg)

here is the second one!

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1085561598_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1085561598_large.jpg)

Last one....
I have work on his face and on the lighting.

[vincentvv]

This looks like its gonna be great....very artistic, and ekspresionistic...

[feeesh]

wow, everytime i see a certain section of this piece that is way detailed and looks finished, you get even tighter and it looks even better. Splendid work. I saw the earlier versions and toght it wasnt gonna be the greatest as it looked like a big jumble where nothing popped from the rest. But youve solved that problem nicely and the arm is definitely front and center. I would like to see the rest of her figure lighted a bit better in the bckground as she seems almost totally lost but you may be planning to do that eventually anyway so I will wait and see, :-)

-JH

[sketchfiend]

Awesome colour work, i assume theyll be asking you to use that image in some medical journal in a couple of years. Excellent work, the way youve managed to capture the muscle tendons and the strechyness of the flesh against the mechanical insutruments, sweet. Congrats:thumbsup: :D

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1085665831_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1085665831_large.jpg)

Ouch... Some changes again.

It's the first time i work like that on a picture. So tons of time spending to work on it.

I never imagined having enough patience to do that ! :p

Anyway, that is a beautifull challenge. So inspired to "jumping" from thread to thread ! :D


vincent_v : Cheers! 'just to say I love your style !!

feeesh : Right about the background, on the last picture, I just have light a bit the face of the girl. It really seems to be better. Great avatar !! I like it !!

sketchfiend : Thanks a lot ! Your are everywhere on this challenge and each of your comments are well thinking. So, cheerz! :p

Thank u everybody for yours comments !

[Snotblow]

I really enjoyed seeing your work from beginning to end. Very nice render. You've put a lot of work into that piece.

[Denman]

wow, this looks amazing !
Great job, i love your style...

can i ask you what programs you use to make this ?
and do you use a mouse for it ?

btw: keep up the great work !

[ufotung]

ER , Looking awsome.
very cool !
:eek:

[NinjaA55N]

dont need to say much about this.. it works fine, the atmosphere is great and details r where they r needed.
Wish u good luck with that piece!

[Pierrick]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1087378787_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/4/2758/2758_1087378787_large.jpg)

It's FINISH !!!!!
Youhouu!
Yep, nothing to change for me....

Thank you for all the good comments !!
Good Luck to everyBody !!!!!
Cheerse!!

Bye!

[airworks]

wow, holy, wow, :surprised , that is one incredable , simply outstanding piece you got, that is ......wow......yep, thats my 2-d vote:drool: your lighting, the focal length, all great and very very dramatic, the coloring wow! thats some stuff! i want to see your piece in full resolution

[Pierrick]

airworks >> Wow !! Great thanks to you !! Sooo complimenting ! :surprised Glad you like it ...

Thank you !!
:thumbsup:

[newone]

Very impressive work. your lights are amazing

[Tremoside]

Great job!! Congratulations!!! I like the mood and the tepth of the image.....:thumbsup:

[Cygnus-X]

REally impressive work man the lighting is perfect :buttrock: You got a really nice piece man. Wish you the best for the voting

[MrFreeman]

:applause: Great work...as I've said before, love the lighting and depth of yoour final piece - and just enough detail to pull you in without being overkill...

One of my favourites...good luck :applause: :applause: :drool:

[Ra1Der]

I personaly think this is the most imaginitive piece of art I seen in this contest, shows so much detail. I really hope this wins. I cant fault it one bit! Only crit I would give, the hand which is dangling free, is a lil to blury, I think it was better when it was sharper.

[Pierrick]

Hey !! Really thanks for all this comments!
Good luck to everybody !!!

And soon, go on for voting !! Glp ...

Yes!! Great challenge !!!

[grafik]

you were one of the first to show all your work, and what work! simply great!


mine:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=132671

[Slav]

great image. good luck to you.

[Pierrick]

Hi Folks !! :thumbsup:

No time to reply... So busy!
I hoped to be quiet for this summer holidays but nothing about it !!

- airworks >> Here is a bigger version ...
- Slav >> Thank you!! and good luck to you too !!! :thumbsup:
- grafik >>Yep, I have tried to show the whole evolution from rough to final piece. Thank U and good luck !!
- Ra1Der >> Thank You very much! Hope the jury will have the same choice! Right about the hand... Seeing more details on it will be better.
- MrFreeman >> Thank You MrFreeman !!
- Cygnus_X >> So much test for this bloody lighting !! Thank You too!

See you soon !!
Cheers all ...

http://pietrix.m.chez.tiscali.fr/temp/final.jpg

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