Beast of Burden - Character - espaki

[espaki]

Hello all again...

Unfortunately I dont have a scanner right now so I can't get my concepts up until a couple more days. Here is where I am with the model so far after a couple hours.

Still have a long way to go...

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/mesh.jpg

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil.jpg

Comments, critiques, and feedback very welcome.

-Nate

[espaki]

He will have a hammock type sling hanging from his stomach which is where he will carry most of his "burden." The concepts I post will explain all.

-Nate

[Flarp]

Now all he needs is a Huge tongue hanging out the side of his mouth.. Very cool I dea keep up the good work :)

[espaki]

here's a closeup of the face, he will have some teeth and a tongue soon...


http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/face.jpg


-Nate

[Flarp]

Do you have a Sketch? Or are you Building the idea in 3D?

:)

[espaki]

I have several sketches but no scanner, hopefully tomorrow I will get a chance to go scan at a friends house and have them up after that.

-Nate

[danbucknam]

:beer: :beer: BARG!!!!!:thumbsup:

[danbucknam]

with crazy iconzzz!!!!!:buttrock:

[danbucknam]

Looks good, very original design, cant wait to see the concept art!!!

[espaki]

A little update on the head, still a lot to do...

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/face2.jpg

-Nate

[rizob]

lookin great:beer: keep refining. ..... no need for sleep. the lips and eyes need to be worked alot. overall size and proportions are right on track. keep postin.:thumbsup:
aaaajeeeaaaaaayyy

[ZrO-1]

espaki, I'm not sure what's up, but all of your pics are fourtune city ads.

[espaki]

hmmm... not sure whats up with the ads. it is on fortunecity, buti dont understand why some people can see the pics and some can't. anyone else having problems with that? I doubt I am the only one around using fortunecity.

-Nate

[espaki]

little update...still refining

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil2.jpg

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil3.jpg


-Nate

[derwolpertinger]

i can't see anything, too. maybe you should think about changing the server. :(

[ZrO-1]

Well I see the pics now. And Oh My God!! that is one awesome BoB you have going there. It is really cool. :eek: :thumbsup:

[Roman]

Like it! The head, specially the placement of the eyes!

[eugene_fraxby]

cool, looks like a guy bending over backwards.....
or the head is upside down........

very good, more updates!

a

[espaki]

Update...


More refining. unfortunately I was a bit further into it but had some file corruption issues. This will have to do for the day-

(ignore the knee for now)

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil4.jpg

[stereo]

really good design
the head seem mirored i love this

the eyes are also very good looking..

I NEED an update ! :))
:thumbsup:

[toce]

cool design! :thumbsup:

[espaki]

Thanks for all the comments, if anyone is interested check out my site at http://members.fortunecity.com/espaki/index.html

expect more updates later today...

-Nate

[espaki]

heres where i'm at after working just a bit this morning.

more to come tonight...

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil5.jpg

-Nate

[espaki]

Was messing around with HDRI a bit - Tell me what you think...

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil7.jpg

-Nate

[ZrO-1]

Well, the fortuneCity ads are back on this thread...:annoyed:

[espaki]

Well, I just switched servers so there should be no more problems with seeing the images.

For his generosity in letting me use some of his server space, please check out rizob's site http://www.halfthought.com/ and Beast of Burden http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12719

[espaki]

heres a few more renders from tonight-

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil9.jpg

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil10.jpg

-Nate

[espaki]

1 more for today - a size comparison

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil11.jpg

-Nate

[Icecube]

Nice job my friend i love the jaw, very creative design!

[ZrO-1]

Here's one suggestion. I'd say make the eyes look more like eyeballs. Right now it almost looks like the nostrils are it's eyes and the eyes are warts on it's cheeks.

just my 2 cents

[rizob]

i agree with zero, i think if you develop a strong eyebrow and develop a wrinkly eyesocket. the nose is looking better i wold change the shape alittle, less round:beer: lookin great though
im really diggin the jaw, eye placement


mybob
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12719&pagenumber=2

[espaki]

Zro and Rizob: You are both right, I appreciate the crit. Here is the beginning of the eye for now.

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil13.jpg

I need to get outside and away from the computer for a few hours, but more to come tonight-

-Nate

[rizob]

there ya go bro lookin nice now he can see alittle bit in front of him also, gotta look out for those walls and rocks

[OZ]

One of the most original creature ever and...............SO BIG!!!haaaaaaa skary! YA ROX!:buttrock:

[espaki]

Finally got access to a scanner, I know that this is a little backwards, but here are the concepts I was messing around with before I started. Here we go.......


http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/sk1.jpg

-Nate

[espaki]

and another...

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/sk3.jpg

-Nate

[espaki]

another...

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/sk4.jpg

-Nate

[espaki]

yet another...

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/sk5.jpg

-Nate

[espaki]

here's one that was just for the "stubborn" criteria

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/sk2.jpg

[espaki]

...and FINALLY, the one I decided to go on...my 3d isnt quite the same, but its evolving.

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/sk0.jpg

-Nate

[Chico]

Good to see some strong conceptual work coming through here espaki. Your beast looks fantastic, I love the lowered eyes, reminds me of "The Last Startfighter"

Keep em coming

[espaki]

Where i'm at at the moment-


http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil16.jpg

critiques, comments and feedback appreciated

-Nate

[espaki]

Obviously, I wasn't looking at my concept very often while I was modeling, I am contemplating starting over again while I still have time....more to come...

-Nate

[Danko]

Huge beast! :eek:
Yup! keep an eye on the concept, I think it's great! :) But you have a good model anyway, although it's a bit different from the design. I personally don't think you should start again. Btw, If you want to make it closer to the sketch you could try to shorten the legs and adjust a bit the head, but in my opinion it's OK as it is now :thumbsup:

[Mentat7]

This is coming along great! One note: The burden doesn't look like it is really large enough to be a burden for a beast of such emmense size. Just an opinion. :thumbsup:

[espaki]

Adjusting the body a bit, I have shortened his legs and increased the size of his "burden" so far. Let me know what you think...

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/mesh3hi.jpg

-Nate

[otacon]

Very cool.:thumbsup:

[ZrO-1]

I'm really liking the changes you have made so far. The horns are cool, and the its where the shoulder and jaw 'melt' together are sweet. :thumbsup:

[espaki]

Ive been taking a break for a couple days. I was messing around in painter a bit earlier. here is my update for now...

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/sk0acol.jpg

-Nate

[Chico]

Nice sketch there, Ive never used painter..I have it, came with my wacom tablet...just never got around to having a bash. Deep Paint 2d is pretty cool though.

[rizob]

nice sketch nate . did you use a wacom or mouse, i like the floating box but i would use your rule of thirds with it more. tough to explain but move the beast more to the right and the box more to the left. i will bring your eye to the beast and balance the page if it lies on points of interest.


for the model you should work the feet(from the knee down) alot more like the sketch. i like that little ankle thing on his back leg(sketch) alot.i also like your strap setup on the sketch
keep it up man

[espaki]

Thanks fopr the comments,

rizob: I used a mouse, unfortunately. I have no wacom because of $$ reasons. Also, thanks for the reminder on the rule of thirds, I always forget to use it. I will readjust the layer and repost for ya.

-Nate

[hypercube]

Looking great..really like the head and design. Only crits would be the feet/leg, but looks like you're working on those..

Aside from that, still kinda looks like he could carry that burden and not even notice..unless it's VERY dense material. Maybe some stuff on the back? or towing behind? This guy looks massively strong.

Keep 'em coming :)

P.S. Nice paint too..painter always seemed too crazy to use, but I keep seeing people do cool stuff like that, have to try sometime..

[rizob]

that shadow under him is big pimpen, just ahd to mention that.


mouse?? ouch my wrist hurts

[espaki]

hey all. I havent done a whole lot of modeling the last couple days, but here is where i'm at right now...

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil19.jpg

hypercube: I agree, thanks for the crit, I still am not sure what his burden is going to finally end up as. any suggestions?

rizob: thanks - I still gotta update that image here..

[rizob]

dats what im talkin about, that back leg is da shizzzi, i still feel weird about where the flesh connects to the neck, just seems alittle out of place for alck of a better word,

[visualboo]

I like where this is going. Reminds me of starwars hardcore.

I kinda like the little peices of skin that rizob mentioned. But that's just my opinion. :)

Keep'em comin

[3DZukini]

Looking great! I think the eye should go back to one color though--it looks too "human" or something now with the white and pupil, maybe a really shiny dark brown...just a thought.:D

[espaki]

heres a happy accident -

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil24.jpg

-Nate

[Gollum]

This is an über-beast, should easily be able to lift everything you throw at it. If the speed is acceptable and the walk smooth enough, this'd be perfect for traveling or safaris!

I can imagine a passenger department instead of the bag for the burden, kind of like traveling a dirigible, well without the flying! Even in the deepest desert it'd still be shady below his big body and you'd be safe from wild animals, this BoB has no natural predators! :cool:

Love your work, keep it up! :)

[misterboogie]

espaki

I'm really digging your model. The only thing I think you might want to put a little more thought into is the location of the beast's burden.

What happens when this creature want's to use the bathroom?

Anyhow awesome work.

[Roman]

Still like it, but did you scale up the eye? Cause I really liked it smaller, really changes the character..

[espaki]

Once again, thanks for the comments. I unfortunately haven't spent much time on my BoB lately, but I will get something done today. I am finishing up my model and getting going on the harness/burden accessories.

3D Zukini and Roman: I have been jumping back and forth between packages, Nendo for the model, and 3D Max for rendering. the eye shifts around every time I reimport my model. I will get it in one place soon. And Zukini, I agree with you, I will make it one solid color.

Miyamoto: I have thought about the "Bathroom" issue. I agree that it might be strange, but I cant think of anything else to do. I wanted my burden location to be unique, but we will see where it ends up. Can't have my BoB peein' all over the burden can we? :hmm:

Gollum: some kind of enclosed passenger thing might work. I will mess around with some ideas and see whats happens.

Rizob: I see what you mean with the skin pieces. I might keep 1 and remove the other, or get rid of them both, or make more on the rest of him to unify the whole design.

All comments/critiques/ideas/suggestions VERY welcome.

-Nate

[espaki]

Here is a bit of what I did today. The body is close to finished - time for the harness and burden soon-

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil33.jpg

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil34.jpg

Tell me what ya think-

-Nate

[espaki]

btw - I know about the levitating back legs, I will fix that soon.

-Nate

[espaki]

No replies? anyway what do you folks think of the little scattered bits on this one? yes, no, more, less?

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil37.jpg

-Nate

[danbucknam]

Espaki- I don't know if I would leave the lumps, it kinda looks creepy, where your beast was almost big / friendly before. I just think that it takes away from his character. nice experiment though:beer:

[rizob]

yes yes yes, i love the bumps. i would still add alot more wrikles and folds mainly in the knee area,(also the lower foot). as i said the bumps look great, maybe give them alittle more variation in size, spacing etc. i assume you did a scattter (you mentioned it) so just scatter some larger ones. i would also add alot more wrinkles to the neck area, you have them on the top of the neck but they need to go around to the botom. i am not really liking the sharp teeth in his mouth. it implys that he eats meet, but he looks way to slow to catch it, i havent thought of a resolution yet but if i doo ill let you know.the skin flaps from shoulder to neck don't bother me that bad anymore but it does seem a little out of place, anyway kepp going is lookin good
rizzzi is now 21

[Lukashi]

the bumps scare me :eek: they look like maggots or something!

[espaki]

Thanks for the replies-

danbucknam: Good point. I might keep some larger ones to see if he retains his "Friendly Oaf" character that way, or might get rid of them.

rizob: you are right again. the sharp teeth dont fit him. i removed those and made his tongue a bit bigger, let me know what you think. also, I plan on adding more wrinkles in the bump map. I might model a few more, but time is running out and I should get going on his burden/harness.

Lukashi: maggots eh...? might be interesting to turn him into an undead BoB:insane: we will see what happens...

here are a few updates..

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil40.jpg

-Nate

[espaki]

and a happy accident: INVISIBoB!!!

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil39.jpg

-Nate

[espaki]

a little more progress, gotta post to stay in the beginning pages.


http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil42.jpg

gonna get lots done today...back to work

-Nate

[Joshua]

Espaki,

Looks good, mouth area and face need some work. I like it, its neat.:airguitar

Keep it up...!

[Joshua]

Ok, I guess I didn't see yur other images. Disregard last post. Thats pretty cool... I like him he neat lookn'. You like to scatter... Yo...

:airguitar

[ZrO-1]

As far as the bumps go, I say only have a few on him (maybe half of the original amount) and have them vary more in size. From really large ones down to tiny ones like a 10 - 1 amount in size variation. Also with the bumps I'd make them more subtle, they stand out a bit too much from the skin. They almost look more like moles or warts than bumps in the skin. I love the latest pics with the new textures and wrinkle bump-map. That looks great.

Awesome work so far. I can't wait to see what your final piece will look like.

[espaki]

thanks Zro, I appreciate the crit. I will play around with a few options and post for ya soon.

-Nate

[rizob]

yo lookin good, i would really get to crackin on that harness, time is running out, other wise the beast is nice, great bumpmap bu the way, you should give him some hair here and there

[espaki]

great idea with the hair rizob. I will definitely add some soon.

I have some more concept sketches for the harness/burden that I will post as soon as I get to a scanner. for now, here is the beginning of the harness.

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil48.jpg

Comments/critiques/suggestions welcome

-Nate

[Joshua]

Nice workn' that harness work is comn' alond, I like the drool too. 4 days left.

J

[neilyb]

I love this BOB....solid or what! For me I would have the burden on the back and have something attached to his sides, maybe even a ladder from the harness to the back of the beast????

:applause: :applause:

[Joshua]

You should have carry some wooden cages... or its master... or junk for the market...

j:bounce:

J

[espaki]

Thanks Neilyb and Joshua. I have the beginning of a burden rendering right now and will post in a second. (I have been spending way too much time rendering and not enough time modeling):rolleyes: I like the idea of a side burden as you will see in this next post, but I still cant decide on a final "theme" of the beast. Probably something I should have decided on earlier. I could definitely use some suggestions... where/when/why does it seem my beast would exist? Anyway, expect a render in a few minutes.

-Nate

[espaki]

here it is...pretend the dashed lines are solid - they came out that way because of the render settings.

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil52.jpg

-Nate

[espaki]

here's a closeup on the head-


http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil53.jpg

-Nate

[ZrO-1]

Dam! That looks friggin great. Wow those new bump things are really nice...much better than the first ones.

Really fantastic stuff. :thumbsup:

[danbucknam]

Looks good, good work with the bump maps, I would have more polygons in the spots. the hair is pretty nice but it kinda looks like hair growing out of warts or moles. THE HARNESS IS LOOKING AWESOME!:applause:

[espaki]

much thanks!:bounce:

the spots are lo polygon because my poor computer cant handle any more. I may redo them for the final image, but we will see. I'm not sure if I will get a chance to rig this fellow, but i will make SURE to finish all his accessories.

one more for today....

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil54.jpg

any suggestions on where I should head with this are welcome.....

:lightbulb

-Nate

[Joshua]

I like how far along it has come. Pretty neat nate, good goin'. He is lookn' real good. I really like your design. His size is huge now I see. He could use some Block and falls or pulleys for more rigging due to his height. ladders would be cool too... More bags and nets maybe... solid!!.... :buttrock: :beer: :buttrock:

[espaki]

Good idea, thanks Josh:thumbsup:

-Nate

[rizob]

whats up nate, things are looking good. deciding where your beast lives is the fun part. to me he looks like a ferri boat for the desert. say towns in the desert are spread apart, and the only way to travel safe, is take one of these huge beasts in groups, so you can fight off scavengers. i like the idea, of cages or passenger cars on the sides of him, and maybee a lookout tower with a guard, any way just a thought, good luck

[espaki]

Thanks Rizob, I definitely like the desert idea. Here are some things I am messing with right now. The orange tankers carry water. I am not sure if the bags and tankers fit together. I might ditch the bags and shift toward using more present-day items.

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil58.jpg

Watcha think?

-Nate

[espaki]

Any thoughts?

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil59.jpg

-nate

[Lukashi]

looks great overall, but the charcoal looks bad to me, not enought pariticles, and the bags are really dark at the bottom

[espaki]

Thanks Lukashi, I hoped that the charcoal would be ok, but now that you said something I realize its not. I will add more and hope that my computer doesnt die on me:hmm: I fixed the bags and will have an update soon.


-Nate

[Lukashi]

come to think of it u might not need more, since ur probably not going to do a final render from that angle, but more charcaol would be nice anyways

[earl]

I love the skin. The legs look great! I liked the toenails better in the second last render, the grey ones instead of the shiny brown ones (unless he uses nail polish ;) )

I hope you make his tongue bright pink like a panting dog. It would give him a very weary look.

[rizob]

LOKKIN GOD MAN , BUT I DONT LIKE THE HANGING BAGS OR THE RIG THEY ARE ATTACHED TO . AGAIN THEY LOOK OUT OF PLACE. THE WATER TANKS WORK REALLY WELL THOUGH. I ALSO AGREE WITH EARL ABOUT THE TOENAIL TEXTURE.

[espaki]

been working on a bump map. right now it is some rubber stamped elephant skin, but I will try and paint a bit so it fits the contours a bit more.

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil62.jpg
Thoughts?

-Nate

[espaki]

'nother render

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil63.jpg

-Nate

[iC4]

from the side the bump looks very nice, just the "inner side" of the front leg could need some tweaking

I would rotate the coal crate 90° and add 2-3 more, at the moment it looks a bit out of place :shrug:

[espaki]

thankj you ic4, the reason it looks bad on the front leg is because I cheated :rolleyes: and planar mapped it. I will adjust the mapping soon.

good idea with the coal, I will adjust it and give you a render soon


-Nate

[Joshua]

Looks really good Nate, I like the bumps you applied. Good work overall and you worked hard on him...

:beer:

j

[KnightWhitie]

That turned out beautifully. Love the bump maps, and the overall model looks great:beer:

[espaki]

Thank you! once again. here is the updated coal, I will fix the repetitive piles soon. This what you are thinking of IC4?

http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/post1.jpg
:surprised

-Nate

[espaki]

btw, I can't afford my DSL anymore, so my last post may be tonight:annoyed:

-Nate

[rizob]

jeaaaa nate that skin looks friigin great, don't stop, but the cole boxes look unbalanced, i'm sure your on top of that

[espaki]

The coal boxes actually are balanced. the camera angle is what makes them look off. Unfortunately, they are levitating at the moment. here is another shot showing that.

Beast Pic 800x600
(http://www.halfthought.com/espaki/brazil67.jpg)
-Nate

[morphine]

hi, espaki! I've followed you from conceptart.org. hehe

Anyway, make that tongue a bit more moisturized. It looks dry yet the beast is drooling.

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