StarWars Revelation Trailer

[Bytehawk]

that is awesome

[peanut]

incredible.

[Zarathustra]

Well the CG looks great.

[roguenroll]

thx, really appreciate the replies. I can only take a small bit of the CG credit., and I still have alot to do.

The scale that was undertaken by the director and acting crew before I saw greenscreen clip #1, was pretty incredible.

Ive seen some of the dailies and of course most of the final cut.
I get the relatively coosh job of an AC room and a computer, some
of them were in the elements for days.

see some shooting, behind the scenes, and some CG stills here:
http://www.panicstruckpro.com/revelations/

I really love the cockpit they built.

R

[peanut]

my only crit would be the acting, the voice tone is kinda weird, like when actors have learned their quotes by heart.

[mastermesh]

You guys sure are asking for ILM and or George Lucas to sue your pants off you aren't you? Have fun in jail.

[NanoGator]

Originally posted by mastermesh
You guys sure are asking for ILM and or George Lucas to sue your pants off you aren't you? Have fun in jail.

Since he's not making money off of it, it's not as simple as that.


The teaser was pretty cool. I'm startled by how good the chicken-walkers (AT-STs?) look!

[roguenroll]

Originally posted by peanut
my only crit would be the acting, the voice tone is kinda weird, like when actors have learned their quotes by heart.

a few are aspiring actors and are good at it. Not sure about
the careers of the others.

But Ive heard the full story plays very well, acting wise.

[roguenroll]

Originally posted by mastermesh
You guys sure are asking for ILM and or George Lucas to sue your pants off you aren't you? Have fun in jail.

ha ha thats funny, but Nanos right, its non-profit.

and as I posted in another thread:

Fanfilms are accepted, and I heard that george browses the TheForce.net and checks them out.

Also non-profit is non-profit, were all in it with no pay. I'll personally vouch for that. +insert sound here+
(sound of no pennies rubbing together)

And I really cant go into detail but lets say that the interest and praise from certain sources absolutely negates that fear. wink wink.


Rogue

[angel]

looking good! so you are the only waver in the project, what other tools your colleagues use? Are you rendering using Mental Ray?

[Zarathustra]

You'll eventually be sueing George since it's obvious he doesn't know what he's doing anymore. He probably lurks those fan sites for plot ideas. Your story may show up in part in his sequels.

The acting seems, well, uh, the CG looks great. The fight scene looked, uh, well the sabers looked great. :rolleyes:

The clip of the dancer in a forcefield and the procedural that appears when she crosses it doesn't live up to the rest of the CG.

Well, it's ambitious! :thumbsup:

Kudos

[roguenroll]

Originally posted by Zarathustra


Well, it's ambitious! :thumbsup:

Kudos

Thx.

yeah I said that to the director when I first came on board (and what attracted me to the project)

When I first got the script, it about floored me.

[roguenroll]

Originally posted by SNoWs
looking good! so you are the only waver in the project, what other tools your colleagues use? Are you rendering using Mental Ray?

The other guys are all over the board, literally, we have Max, Maya, Cinema, and LW, (of course).

Also tons of different compositing, SFX apps. But After effects mostly from what I've seen.

I'm sure the Maya guy may be using MentalRay. For me its all Lightwave.


R

[LittleFenris]

Originally posted by Zarathustra
The acting seems, well, uh, the CG looks great. The fight scene looked, uh, well the sabers looked great. :rolleyes:

The clip of the dancer in a forcefield and the procedural that appears when she crosses it doesn't live up to the rest of the CG.

I agree. The CG is really well done (minus the dancers forcefield), but other aspects of it are less than perfect. Those girls needed some real weapons training badly...that fight scene, even in those short quick cuts you see it bad. But as I said the CG looks top-notch, especially for a fan-film.

[NanoGator]

If I wanted to list off a bunch of "Here are a few small things you can do to dramatically improve it", is there a proper place to do that?

[roguenroll]

Originally posted by NanoGator
If I wanted to list off a bunch of "Here are a few small things you can do to dramatically improve it", is there a proper place to do that?

your not gonna leave us crying in the fetal position are ya??:)

In the gallery / finished works, I have the main thread. We
absolutely like to hear about constructive critiques:) , but try to
word it so others, dont turn into a hack fest.

I still have nightmares over the LW 8 posts, and proton leaving.

Thx,

Rogue

[NanoGator]

no no no no. Not "it sucks" type of stuff, but more like "here's another element you can add that would really help sell that."


I just spotted a few things where a little bit more work would be helpful. The one that pops into mind is there's a scene where a turret turns and fires on a tie fighter. It was lightly textured and.. well it showed. In that case, I wanted to suggest finding a photo of some machinery and splatting that onto the mesh.

There were a couple of places where it went from photo realistic, then cut to something a little too CGish, and then back to photo realistic. Just wanted to smooth that out. :)

[roguenroll]

sure fire away. the crew, director, and (maybe)actors are looking at that main thread, so it'll get more consideration there.

gallery/finished 3d

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124129


:)

[dub273]

Originally posted by mastermesh
You guys sure are asking for ILM and or George Lucas to sue your pants off you aren't you? Have fun in jail.

While the fan fiction phenomenon is still a somewhat gray, hazy legal area, I would make a couple points here: a) this is a non-profit production; b) no civil action by Lucasfilm would result in jail time even if it were for profit.

For the future, I'd keep in mind the words of Lisa Simpson: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."

[Splin]

Wohoo roguenroll...non profit...and such lovely work...I agree that acting could be bit better but man...non profit work and...oh man...thats very good work...good luck!!!
:bowdown:

[roguenroll]

Originally posted by Splin
non profit

thx.

I know...non profit, I am I crazy or what!!!.:)

but its all great experience.


R

[Splin]

Uhh dont understand me wrong roguenroll. I am totally blast away about the quality of the work if I start to concider that this is a non profit project...I've never seen something like that. I have seen many many projects what have had good budget and chance to become something great...but for some reason they did not manage to fulfill their task. Wasted time...money..energy and talent.
Dunno if u got my point..hopefully u got it;)
Hehe and yes u are crazy:cool:

[kromekat]

Hi guys - thanks for all your feedback and kind words! :)

there's a scene where a turret turns and fires on a tie fighter. It was lightly textured and.. well it showed. In that case, I wanted to suggest finding a photo of some machinery and splatting that onto the mesh.


Although this wasn't one of my shots, the model and textures are my creations, and I do agree with your point - I had always intended for the turrets to be revised and detailed further, but I moved on to other elements.. but it's evident in close shots like this that it does need addressing -- Thx for your input! :)

[Cman]

Originally posted by roguenroll
Catch it here:

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124129

I don't mean to double post, but I wanted the main forum to see it as well as have you guys look at it. Since you're all my fellow LWers, I'd like to know what you think.

I'm holding the torch for the LWers on this project, I'm the only
one. But hopefully holding my own.

Rogue

The response at the SCIfi conventions has been great, and the director has even gotten some praise from some big industry big wigs. Think big, real big.

anyway its fun stuff. Hope you like.

Hey, it ROCKED!

[webfox]

Non-profit does not equal unfettered freedom of speech. If it were a parody, or an editorial piece mocking Star Wars, then you could argue your case in court, but just because you don't expect to make any money off of it (or back from your expenses) doesn't mean that you are in the legal free and clear. You are stealing someone else's idea to promote your own. That's wrong. It's illegal.

Lucas, Fox, and ILM have the right to say that "This is our idea and we expect to be able to dictate the direction of the story, as well as the standards, rules, and level of professionalism by which our intellectual property is presented."

You can't give away burgers made from roadkill with a clown that looks like Ronald McDonald and get away with it just by saying that you are a fan of McDonalds.

You can't give away an inferior 3D app called "Maya/Lightwave/Softimage Lite," and get away with it without breaking copyright laws.

Your production values are fairly high for a fan group, but it's obvious by the way you talk that you have never consulted a copyright lawyer.

If you ever have an original idea, then, someday, you may understand when it happens to you.

[kromekat]

Thanks for your input webfox - although I am not an authority on the fan film genre, I can tell you that Lucasfilm and ILM are completely aware of what's out there in the Star Wars arena, and George even awards prizes each year for a selection of the parody/humorous films.

We know they have seen what we have done so far, so I dont think its an issue. :)

btw - the film is full of original ideas, and I think it's fair to assume that most of us have original ideas outside of this production too. :thumbsup:

[Locutus]

Man I'm jealous I've always wanted to work on a SW fan film, but every fan film idea I was asked to work on was going to be "shot in Bob's backyard." I wasn't necessarily looking for a film idea this ambitious, just one that was decently though out.
I'm happy for you and look forward to seeing more.
:thumbsup:

[Dickigeeza]

I'm no expert on the legal implications relating to this type of project, so I shall refrain from casting any opinion. There are no doubt issues/question marks of copyright and originality that are open for debate - however I venture to suggest that this is not the appropriate forum to air those views.

From a purely aesthetic point of view I do have some observations, which I hope, will be of some benefit. Please bare in mind these comments are relative, as the standard is clearly very high, I could well be pushing the limits of hyper criticism.

Ok first up the lighting on the space dogfight scenes! Something strange going on with the star destroyer in one of the shots - looks almost luminous (loose some of the ambient?)

Tie fighter wing panel texture - too clean/flat, again this maybe a lighting issue, not texturing?

Gun turret texturing, already been commented on. Kromekat, I know you got pulled off to another project but please try you best to go back & sort it out. You know what it takes (full respect to your work).

Tie fighter explosion - camera POV questionable. Too close perhaps, the explosive effect seems cartoonish?

Texturing on Cougar needs looking at, at least in the colour channel. ("Colour" yes correct I'm from the UK)

I have to question the hero smuggler’s goaty beard. Earth fashion present day, does it sit in the SW universe?

Animation and camera angle of fleeing Cougar? That gentle rocking as it buzzes the camera looks a bit laid back for a ship in "shit lets get out of here mode" - remember the blaster impact on the M/Falcon in the asteroid sequence of ROTJ. (Don’t you dare rip that) but would love to see some of those little touches, they really sell the moment.

General observation: Here is an excellent opportunity to push the boundaries of visual dynamics and originality. I'm not going to state the obvious Vis a vie opportunities/benefit of using CG. Yes it’s a familiar subject, rendered in familiar style, but do believe you guys are creating something a bit special with a lot of hard work. Your only just missing to point of breaking new ground in terms at least of VFX - get your creative hats back on and make a visionary piece of work.

Bloody well done so far. Very best of luck for final release.

Oh and Locutus don't be jealous, help them out. See main thread.

Rgds Richard

PS These comment are in particular order just brain dumping as I scrubbed back & fwd on ling time line. If you more info or not sure what shot a crit refers to pls ask.

[MasterZap]

Man I'm jealous I've always wanted to work on a SW fan film, but every fan film idea I was asked to work on was going to be "shot in Bob's backyard." I wasn't necessarily looking for a film idea this ambitious, just one that was decently though out.
I'm happy for you and look forward to seeing more

Then you'll be happy to know we are searching FRANTICALLY for MORE PEOPLE TO HELP US ! ! ! ! !

We want this baby finished in the same or better quality than the trailer. Stuff is missing. We need more hands! More brains! More gigaflops! :)

We are all in this for no pay and grinding it out with bloodshot eyes in the wee hours in the night.... perhaps one of us will get to sleep one night a week if you help?
:beer:

/Z

[dub273]

You are stealing someone else's idea to promote your own. That's wrong. It's illegal.
As I pointed out earlier, and as the media has made very clear in the past year with fan works of Star Wars, Harry Potter, and Star Trek, it is neither. It is, in fact, still a gray hazy area. It's a fine line, but one that the crew of "Revelations" intends to tread carefully and with reverence.
Lucas, Fox, and ILM have the right to say that "This is our idea and
Erm, well, no kidding. As it stands now, it is well known to most people (present company excluded, apparently) that George Lucas has a benevolent interest in these works, and has even judged his favorites in the past. I'm sure that down the road some yo-yo is going to try to make a Star Wars porno, and that'll blow it for everyone, but that ain't the case now.
You can't give away burgers made from roadkill with a clown that looks like Ronald McDonald and get away with it just by saying that you are a fan of McDonalds.
You could if you knew McDonald's didn't care and was happy to look the other way.
You can't give away an inferior 3D app called "Maya/Lightwave/Softimage Lite," and get away with it without breaking copyright laws.
You could if it were clear that Alias|Wavefront, Newtek, or SoftImage weren't going to bring you to court over it.
Your production values are fairly high for a fan group, but it's obvious by the way you talk that you have never consulted a copyright lawyer.
The pot and the kettle say "Hi".
If you ever have an original idea, then, someday, you may understand when it happens to you.
I'm pretty sure that eight out of ten artists here on this forum would probably be incredibly flattered that their work had become so intertwined into popular culture that fans began spinning their own tales around the campfire. Maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.

[Cman]

It is all about money.

There are several reasons McDonald's might sue, whereas Lucas would not, the biggest being money.

For George Lucas, these films are good for promotion. The fact they are of "inferior" quality only helps because people will not be confused it is a "real" Star Wars film.

In fact, I think this is why they do not license the Star Wars universe to "real" production companies - they don't want competition.

If Revelations becomes a feature film they tried to market for distribution, you'd see a new side of George Lucas.
If you tried to make a Star Wars starring "Luke Skywalker", you'd see a new side of George Lucas.

But as it is, it's only free advertising.

McDonald's would only lose money from you giving away McDonald's burgers because word-of-mouth would be spread that their burgers are no good.
But if you were giving away plastic toy fakes, and telling people they should visit the McDonald's store - they may not get bent out of shape.

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