Dominic123
02-19-2004, 10:06 PM
I want to buy 3ds max on ebay but I can't find it. I can find a bunch of stuff to learn how to work in 3ds max but I can't find the program. Does anyone know why? Is it ever going to be on ebay?
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Autarkis
02-19-2004, 10:27 PM
Hello Dominic:
The way i remember it is that discreet licenses it a way that only one user can get it.
It is extremely rare for the software to change hands legally (it happens, i think i remember someone getting Discreet's approval for a change of hands) so if you ever found a copy of 3DS on ebay I would really be afraid of it.
(most likely would be "warez" and not a legal copy in any case)
Im pretty sure about the way that license is set, i'm sure the guys around here can shed some more light about it!
The way i remember it is that discreet licenses it a way that only one user can get it.
It is extremely rare for the software to change hands legally (it happens, i think i remember someone getting Discreet's approval for a change of hands) so if you ever found a copy of 3DS on ebay I would really be afraid of it.
(most likely would be "warez" and not a legal copy in any case)
Im pretty sure about the way that license is set, i'm sure the guys around here can shed some more light about it!
Dominic123
02-19-2004, 10:36 PM
If I download 3dsmax from suprnova.org it's illegal right???
Nando
02-19-2004, 10:58 PM
If I download 3dsmax from suprnova.org it's illegal right???
It sure is illegal
Every once in a while you might be able to find 3dsmax on Ebay. usaully its from someone who won it as a prize, and has no use for it.
folks can sell there 3dsmax seat only if its never been registered and licensed.
Say I purchased Max yesterday at full price(retail), but then some how I needed the money becuase I wanted to help my favorite charity, and figured they need the money more than me.
then,I can sell that Max seat as long as I have never opened it, registered it, or licensed it.
Educational versions can be found here:
http://www.journeyed.com
It sure is illegal
Every once in a while you might be able to find 3dsmax on Ebay. usaully its from someone who won it as a prize, and has no use for it.
folks can sell there 3dsmax seat only if its never been registered and licensed.
Say I purchased Max yesterday at full price(retail), but then some how I needed the money becuase I wanted to help my favorite charity, and figured they need the money more than me.
then,I can sell that Max seat as long as I have never opened it, registered it, or licensed it.
Educational versions can be found here:
http://www.journeyed.com
Signal2Noise
02-19-2004, 11:27 PM
Dominic, why do you want max? Have you used it already and now want freelance w/ it? Are you in school using it? Have you tried other 3D apps?
I mean if you're looking to buy it and prefer a used copy over a new one due to price then perhaps you need to consider alternatives. There's lots of great apps out there that will cost considerably less and may offer less (not usually a biggie- hell, you even have to pay an extra grand for Character Studio!) or even more features than max.
I'm not trying to sway you from 3ds but it definitely isn't the only fish in the sea so to speak. Especially if you want to acquire commercial-grade software legitimately.
The others are right about the whole licensing scheme and discreet's policy on ownership transfers. Hard and rare to do. 99% of the max software advertised on eBay are usually pulled within minutes of posting by eBay staff because it's pirated. That's usually why you can't find it. If an ad seems to be legit then contact the seller for further info and more importantly contact discreet to confirm the software BEFORE you make any type of purchase commitment! Buyer Beware!
If you're in school then definitely look into Edu versions as Nando suggested.
I mean if you're looking to buy it and prefer a used copy over a new one due to price then perhaps you need to consider alternatives. There's lots of great apps out there that will cost considerably less and may offer less (not usually a biggie- hell, you even have to pay an extra grand for Character Studio!) or even more features than max.
I'm not trying to sway you from 3ds but it definitely isn't the only fish in the sea so to speak. Especially if you want to acquire commercial-grade software legitimately.
The others are right about the whole licensing scheme and discreet's policy on ownership transfers. Hard and rare to do. 99% of the max software advertised on eBay are usually pulled within minutes of posting by eBay staff because it's pirated. That's usually why you can't find it. If an ad seems to be legit then contact the seller for further info and more importantly contact discreet to confirm the software BEFORE you make any type of purchase commitment! Buyer Beware!
If you're in school then definitely look into Edu versions as Nando suggested.
Autarkis
02-19-2004, 11:33 PM
Yes, journeyed is a great place to buy educational version of software.
They also have deals from time to times, you might want to browse it casually if you're a student :)
They also have deals from time to times, you might want to browse it casually if you're a student :)
Dominic123
02-20-2004, 12:32 AM
What is the best place to buy a used copy of 3ds max??? I live in Canada.
Autarkis
02-20-2004, 12:50 AM
Like we said above, it's highly unlikely that you would be able to find a used copy of 3d Studio Max that would be legal.
I really have no idea where you could potentially find some ( since mines a student copy) and I dont think a lot of people would know where you can get any legal used copies.
I really have no idea where you could potentially find some ( since mines a student copy) and I dont think a lot of people would know where you can get any legal used copies.
erilaz
02-20-2004, 01:14 AM
There is pretty much only 2 ways to get max second hand:
1) The previous owner is dead.
2) The company owner is bankrupt.
Even then, it's highly unlikely you'll be able to get one of those. Discreet is fairly adamant that you do not OWN the software, you own a license to use it. That license is not transferable to another party. It's forever in your name.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that if you ever did find a copy of 3dsmax on eBay, you should report it to Discreet immediately.
1) The previous owner is dead.
2) The company owner is bankrupt.
Even then, it's highly unlikely you'll be able to get one of those. Discreet is fairly adamant that you do not OWN the software, you own a license to use it. That license is not transferable to another party. It's forever in your name.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that if you ever did find a copy of 3dsmax on eBay, you should report it to Discreet immediately.
Aaron Moore
02-20-2004, 04:52 AM
Some ideas:
If you are in a position to ask some companies might have older versions that they didn't upgrade or don't have a use for. I know my company has a few extra copies of 3dsmax 4 and 5 that arn't being used.
If you are a student, schools typically have labs you could go to to use the software. Of corse its not the same as having it on your own machine :(
As for journey ed, it takes them a LONG time to ship out copies of max so be warned...
Good Luck!
If you are in a position to ask some companies might have older versions that they didn't upgrade or don't have a use for. I know my company has a few extra copies of 3dsmax 4 and 5 that arn't being used.
If you are a student, schools typically have labs you could go to to use the software. Of corse its not the same as having it on your own machine :(
As for journey ed, it takes them a LONG time to ship out copies of max so be warned...
Good Luck!
KABryan
02-20-2004, 06:24 PM
I have a suggestion. If you are not sure what software you want to use try all the demos and personal learning editions you can. This is what I did and I've settled on max myself.
Also I suggest trying to contact an Architectual firm or just ask someone that might be an architect, the software the companies use in my area are shipped with 3Ds MAX and they use it for shading and props and that kind of thing before they send it to AccuRender for the final pics. Some companies however don't use it at all and just have the install disks laying around which was in my case how I obtained a full version of 3ds max.
I got lucky because my neighbor is a CAD programmer. But it never hurts to try.:beer:
Also I suggest trying to contact an Architectual firm or just ask someone that might be an architect, the software the companies use in my area are shipped with 3Ds MAX and they use it for shading and props and that kind of thing before they send it to AccuRender for the final pics. Some companies however don't use it at all and just have the install disks laying around which was in my case how I obtained a full version of 3ds max.
I got lucky because my neighbor is a CAD programmer. But it never hurts to try.:beer:
Dominic123
02-20-2004, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Aaron Moore
Some ideas:
If you are in a position to ask some companies might have older versions that they didn't upgrade or don't have a use for. I know my company has a few extra copies of 3dsmax 4 and 5 that arn't being used.
If you are a student, schools typically have labs you could go to to use the software. Of corse its not the same as having it on your own machine :(
As for journey ed, it takes them a LONG time to ship out copies of max so be warned...
Good Luck!
You mean companies might have older versions that are still packaged and not licensed?
If this is what you mean. I will contact bioware and ask them if I can buy a copy.
Some ideas:
If you are in a position to ask some companies might have older versions that they didn't upgrade or don't have a use for. I know my company has a few extra copies of 3dsmax 4 and 5 that arn't being used.
If you are a student, schools typically have labs you could go to to use the software. Of corse its not the same as having it on your own machine :(
As for journey ed, it takes them a LONG time to ship out copies of max so be warned...
Good Luck!
You mean companies might have older versions that are still packaged and not licensed?
If this is what you mean. I will contact bioware and ask them if I can buy a copy.
Autarkis
02-20-2004, 08:38 PM
The idea to ask architectural firm is absolutely awsome!
I had someone in my class that was taking them to become a better texturer/lighter with 3ds. He was working in an architectural firm.
Hmm. I think I'm going to send email to those around my area. It never hurts to try :)
(and I do not think that Bioware would have any licenses of studio max laying around.)
I had someone in my class that was taking them to become a better texturer/lighter with 3ds. He was working in an architectural firm.
Hmm. I think I'm going to send email to those around my area. It never hurts to try :)
(and I do not think that Bioware would have any licenses of studio max laying around.)
allenlikewo
02-20-2004, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by Aaron Moore
As for journey ed, it takes them a LONG time to ship out copies of max so be warned...
Don't be warned. He may have purchased it at a rare time when we were out of stock or before 6 was released but we currently have more than enough copies of max in stock (both perpetual and 1-year). Ever since discreet dropped the requirement to physically submit academic verification and approved our online click-to-agree license agreement we can get orders for discreet products out pretty much immediately (as long as you order with in a few hours of our warehouse closing). Now if your CC declines or something then of course it can be delayed.
As for journey ed, it takes them a LONG time to ship out copies of max so be warned...
Don't be warned. He may have purchased it at a rare time when we were out of stock or before 6 was released but we currently have more than enough copies of max in stock (both perpetual and 1-year). Ever since discreet dropped the requirement to physically submit academic verification and approved our online click-to-agree license agreement we can get orders for discreet products out pretty much immediately (as long as you order with in a few hours of our warehouse closing). Now if your CC declines or something then of course it can be delayed.
brenton
02-21-2004, 03:52 AM
i got my edu. version of Max 6 off of studica.com. Got it in two days, boy was i happy.
Tex3D
02-21-2004, 03:57 AM
I gotta agree with allenlikewo on this one. I bought my copy of 3D Studio Max 3.0 back when I was in school from JourneyEd. The people there were very friendly and helpful, and it got here fairly quickly:beer:
Even though I had to work my ass off to pay for it, getting my first legal copy of Max was a thrill and a half!!:bounce:
Once you go legit, you wont wanna use warez ever again:D
-Dave
Even though I had to work my ass off to pay for it, getting my first legal copy of Max was a thrill and a half!!:bounce:
Once you go legit, you wont wanna use warez ever again:D
-Dave
emh114
02-23-2004, 01:04 PM
"I want to buy 3ds max on ebay but I can't find it. I can find a bunch of stuff to learn how to work in 3ds max but I can't find the program. Does anyone know why? Is it ever going to be on ebay?"
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About two or three years ago I say 3ds on ebay for verry low price (actually there was three or four copies) I called Discreet and asked if that was legit to do and would it be possiable to register and they told me that I would be wasteing my money cause weather or not the original owner registered or not that If I didn't buy it from one of their distributors they would not register it in my name ......and I quote" you could buy it at that price and save money now but there WILL be a heafty fine later"
:eek:
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About two or three years ago I say 3ds on ebay for verry low price (actually there was three or four copies) I called Discreet and asked if that was legit to do and would it be possiable to register and they told me that I would be wasteing my money cause weather or not the original owner registered or not that If I didn't buy it from one of their distributors they would not register it in my name ......and I quote" you could buy it at that price and save money now but there WILL be a heafty fine later"
:eek:
Autarkis
02-23-2004, 02:01 PM
Once you go legit, you wont wanna use warez ever again:D
It seems to be a good assessment from what I know ;)
It seems to be a good assessment from what I know ;)
kachoudas
02-23-2004, 02:48 PM
A little out of topic, but I am wondering what people thinks of that commercial practice, ie. forbidding users to sell back their copies of Max ?
I am not a company nor a freelancer and do not own Max myself, always using it from company-owned licenses, but I always thought the licenses where something like the furnitures, computers, cars... part of the belongings of the company (financial term ?) that could be re-sold if not used anymore or if thing went wrong for the owner ?
Does it means that if I want to become a freelance, and later fail to suceed, I have no way to get rid of the license and get a little money back ? Or did I misunderstood something ?
Is it a commercial practice for all softwares, or only Discreet ?
What are the pros and con of this practice ?
?
I am not a company nor a freelancer and do not own Max myself, always using it from company-owned licenses, but I always thought the licenses where something like the furnitures, computers, cars... part of the belongings of the company (financial term ?) that could be re-sold if not used anymore or if thing went wrong for the owner ?
Does it means that if I want to become a freelance, and later fail to suceed, I have no way to get rid of the license and get a little money back ? Or did I misunderstood something ?
Is it a commercial practice for all softwares, or only Discreet ?
What are the pros and con of this practice ?
?
powerwave3d
02-23-2004, 02:53 PM
once you buy Max and register it, which you have to within 30 days or it'll cease to function, you're stuck with it for life. You could sell it to someone but they would not be able to upgrade it since it was registered in your name.
Is this a common practice with all companies?
Nope.
Newtek (Lightwave) allows the transfer of liceneses for free. I know this because I'm currently selling mine and it was a huge factor in my purchasing it in the beginning.
I can't speak of Maya , XSI or the others, I have no experience with them.
Does it suck? Ya it does. I would love to get a second hand copy of Max for home at a reasonable price.
Is this a common practice with all companies?
Nope.
Newtek (Lightwave) allows the transfer of liceneses for free. I know this because I'm currently selling mine and it was a huge factor in my purchasing it in the beginning.
I can't speak of Maya , XSI or the others, I have no experience with them.
Does it suck? Ya it does. I would love to get a second hand copy of Max for home at a reasonable price.
Dominic123
02-26-2004, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by Aaron Moore
Some ideas:
If you are in a position to ask some companies might have older versions that they didn't upgrade or don't have a use for. I know my company has a few extra copies of 3dsmax 4 and 5 that arn't being used.
But they will be licensed right? I won't be able to use those copies.
Some ideas:
If you are in a position to ask some companies might have older versions that they didn't upgrade or don't have a use for. I know my company has a few extra copies of 3dsmax 4 and 5 that arn't being used.
But they will be licensed right? I won't be able to use those copies.
Dominic123
02-26-2004, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by powerwave3d
once you buy Max and register it, which you have to within 30 days or it'll cease to function, you're stuck with it for life. You could sell it to someone but they would not be able to upgrade it since it was registered in your name.
Is this a common practice with all companies?
Nope.
Newtek (Lightwave) allows the transfer of liceneses for free. I know this because I'm currently selling mine and it was a huge factor in my purchasing it in the beginning.
I can't speak of Maya , XSI or the others, I have no experience with them.
Does it suck? Ya it does. I would love to get a second hand copy of Max for home at a reasonable price.
I don't care if I can't upgrade it. I just want to use it. Will I be able too?
once you buy Max and register it, which you have to within 30 days or it'll cease to function, you're stuck with it for life. You could sell it to someone but they would not be able to upgrade it since it was registered in your name.
Is this a common practice with all companies?
Nope.
Newtek (Lightwave) allows the transfer of liceneses for free. I know this because I'm currently selling mine and it was a huge factor in my purchasing it in the beginning.
I can't speak of Maya , XSI or the others, I have no experience with them.
Does it suck? Ya it does. I would love to get a second hand copy of Max for home at a reasonable price.
I don't care if I can't upgrade it. I just want to use it. Will I be able too?
powerwave3d
02-26-2004, 12:56 AM
If you are serious about getting one, you have to ask Discreet and then you will KNOW without a certain what the deal is.
I would never go by something says here when it comes to my money. While anyone isn't here deliberately hoping someone gets screwed, you have to get it straight from the donkey's mouth.
If it's been registered, I would assume anyone could legally use the copy.
My question to you is, why would you want to throw away $1000-$2000 on something that can't be updated. I can't imagine anyone selling something they paid $3500+ for, for anything less than that.
If you aren't using it commercially, get an academic license. I'm sure there's are ways to work around the system if you are not indeed a student. Discreet doesn't care, if they actually do, then they are indeed idiots because you are putting $ into their pockets rather than getting an illegal copy.
I would never go by something says here when it comes to my money. While anyone isn't here deliberately hoping someone gets screwed, you have to get it straight from the donkey's mouth.
If it's been registered, I would assume anyone could legally use the copy.
My question to you is, why would you want to throw away $1000-$2000 on something that can't be updated. I can't imagine anyone selling something they paid $3500+ for, for anything less than that.
If you aren't using it commercially, get an academic license. I'm sure there's are ways to work around the system if you are not indeed a student. Discreet doesn't care, if they actually do, then they are indeed idiots because you are putting $ into their pockets rather than getting an illegal copy.
Signal2Noise
02-26-2004, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by powerwave3d
...While anyone isn't here deliberately hoping someone gets screwed, ...
:surprised Hey! Speak for yourself. Us CG geeks need lovin' too!:love:
;)
...While anyone isn't here deliberately hoping someone gets screwed, ...
:surprised Hey! Speak for yourself. Us CG geeks need lovin' too!:love:
;)
colmite
02-27-2004, 05:05 PM
Not really sure what you are looking to do here with the software, but if you are looking to just learn the software in hopes to gain a job in the industry (weather games, print or animation) you can download basically a free version of max 4.2 called gmax. that is geard towards video game design. You are missing things like sunlight and charactor studio, but if you are looking to learn how to model in a max environment, then this is a good starting place as no investment is needed on your part. :thumbsup:
http://www.discreet.com/products/gmax/
I would recommend also trying out the learning editions of other software as suggested before to see what works best for you. I did this a while a go myself and found that max was by far the easiest application to get up and going right off from the start and then I felt a lot better about my purchase decision.
hope this helsp
http://www.discreet.com/products/gmax/
I would recommend also trying out the learning editions of other software as suggested before to see what works best for you. I did this a while a go myself and found that max was by far the easiest application to get up and going right off from the start and then I felt a lot better about my purchase decision.
hope this helsp
Dominic123
02-28-2004, 07:16 PM
When I download the trial version for 3ds max. Then I reinstall it when it's over. That would be illegal right?
powerwave3d
02-28-2004, 07:23 PM
Well, you'd have to do more than just uninstall it and reinstall it.
I'm not sure if that would be illegal.
Ethically, that's a different story, only you can answer that.
Would be interested in what others either know about that or their opinions.
I'm not sure if that would be illegal.
Ethically, that's a different story, only you can answer that.
Would be interested in what others either know about that or their opinions.
Signal2Noise
02-28-2004, 10:17 PM
Technically I don't think that would be illegal. A demo is a demo afterall. It would be a pain in the ass though. Normally with software like that, the demo adds a hidden file so the computer "remembers" whether the app has been previously installed. So if the trial expires chances are it will not reinstall since it knows it was installed previously. To get around it you would have to either monkey around in the registery (bad idea) or reformat your hard drive which means backing things up and reinstalling the o/s and everything else. I use to do that but got tired of it quickly.
Look, max isn't the only app around. You have lots of options out there: free ones (and some are good), educational versions, etc. Domenic, you haven't really answered the "Why" and "How" you want to use max questions we have posted. You say you "just want to use it". Why?
If you just want to learn max then maybe go and download gmax which is an extremely pared down version of 3ds max. It's designed for games but you can learn how to model and most of the toolsets are similar. And it's free. As for other free or cheap apps go and read the stickies at the top of the General Discussions forum.
Look, max isn't the only app around. You have lots of options out there: free ones (and some are good), educational versions, etc. Domenic, you haven't really answered the "Why" and "How" you want to use max questions we have posted. You say you "just want to use it". Why?
If you just want to learn max then maybe go and download gmax which is an extremely pared down version of 3ds max. It's designed for games but you can learn how to model and most of the toolsets are similar. And it's free. As for other free or cheap apps go and read the stickies at the top of the General Discussions forum.
powerwave3d
02-28-2004, 10:22 PM
I second what Signal has to say above.
Max isn't the only app out there.
There are quite a few considerably cheaper as well and just as good if not better.
Max isn't the only app out there.
There are quite a few considerably cheaper as well and just as good if not better.
Dominic123
02-28-2004, 10:30 PM
I want to use 3dsmax because thats the program that bioware works with. I did some 3ds max tutorials with gmax but then I get stuck because it's not the same. I'm wasting my time to learn the differente stuff gmax has.
I was doing a gun tutorial and I was using gmax. The tutorial was for 3ds max. I had to inset and chamfer. Using them is not the same in gmax and 3ds max. So forget gmax. And I only found a few tuts for gmax. I already did them all.
I was doing a gun tutorial and I was using gmax. The tutorial was for 3ds max. I had to inset and chamfer. Using them is not the same in gmax and 3ds max. So forget gmax. And I only found a few tuts for gmax. I already did them all.
powerwave3d
02-28-2004, 10:53 PM
Well, sounds like your mind's made up.
Time to pony up the $3,000 - 3,500 for the Max then.
Time to pony up the $3,000 - 3,500 for the Max then.
Signal2Noise
02-29-2004, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by Dominic123
I want to use 3dsmax because thats the program that bioware works with. ...
:rolleyes: Whatever, dude. I guess max is the Be All and End All since BioWare use it. Good luck to you and your endeavours.
I want to use 3dsmax because thats the program that bioware works with. ...
:rolleyes: Whatever, dude. I guess max is the Be All and End All since BioWare use it. Good luck to you and your endeavours.
Dominic123
02-29-2004, 03:18 AM
oh and I forgot to say. I want to work for bioware. I live in Edmonton and the studio is in Edmonton.
Craig Ramsay
03-02-2004, 10:17 AM
Anybody know where the Max license agreement is? I need to read it but I can't for the life of me figure out where it is hiding in my instalation... can anyone help?
Craig
Craig
allenlikewo
03-02-2004, 02:38 PM
I believe that this acruate for most versions of max:
cdRomDrive:\installs\3dsmax\EULA\pickYourCountry.doc
cdRomDrive:\installs\3dsmax\EULA\pickYourCountry.doc
Craig Ramsay
03-02-2004, 04:04 PM
Found it, thanks :thumbsup:
grafi
03-02-2004, 04:17 PM
get the edu version since its cheap... :)
KABryan
03-02-2004, 08:12 PM
Well, you'd have to do more than just uninstall it and reinstall it. I'm not sure if that would be illegal.
Ethically, that's a different story, only you can answer that.
Would be interested in what others either know about that or their opinions.
Yeah that doesn't work It does indeed right hidden files to your PC. And what ever you do don't roll your system date back either. I tried everything before I got a Legit copy.
Ethically, that's a different story, only you can answer that.
Would be interested in what others either know about that or their opinions.
Yeah that doesn't work It does indeed right hidden files to your PC. And what ever you do don't roll your system date back either. I tried everything before I got a Legit copy.
powerwave3d
03-02-2004, 09:32 PM
The easiest thing would be to make a restore disc of your entire HD without Max ever have been installed. Then, after 30 days, you restore, install Max for another 30 days.
The legality of it is what I was wondering others views on, the getting around the 30 days thing is easily workable.
The legality of it is what I was wondering others views on, the getting around the 30 days thing is easily workable.
KABryan
03-02-2004, 09:52 PM
Actually I had the trial and did a clean install and it still said I needed to have it authorized befor I could use it again. I don't know if it writes to the boot sector or what but I never did figure that one out.
Legallity wise it is a demo I feel as though it's a matter of personal feeling. I mean on one hand here you are and you want to learn this app so bad that you'll do anything you can to keep it and honestly 30 days just isn't enough when dealing with one million ways to create art. I think as long as noone is distributing copies and /or selling the art that they create with it, then no harm done. I know Discreet would view this differently.
But when you're not doing 3d animation or design for a living there are only limited methods for obtaining a top level app such as 3ds Max or Maya. Educational packages are availible but if you're just hobbying at it then even that is hard to get.
All in all if you got it and keep it to yourself who will know the difference. It's not right or legal but that's the only way alot of folks are going to be able to master the package of their choice
Legallity wise it is a demo I feel as though it's a matter of personal feeling. I mean on one hand here you are and you want to learn this app so bad that you'll do anything you can to keep it and honestly 30 days just isn't enough when dealing with one million ways to create art. I think as long as noone is distributing copies and /or selling the art that they create with it, then no harm done. I know Discreet would view this differently.
But when you're not doing 3d animation or design for a living there are only limited methods for obtaining a top level app such as 3ds Max or Maya. Educational packages are availible but if you're just hobbying at it then even that is hard to get.
All in all if you got it and keep it to yourself who will know the difference. It's not right or legal but that's the only way alot of folks are going to be able to master the package of their choice
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