Kubrik´s 2001 / Discovery

[daltonmonaie]

sorry that i write my answer in german but it's too hard for me in english.

So. ich find's schon fantastisch was du da an detail und realismus reingepackt hast. hab' mir auch gleich ne Stunde Zeit genommen um die entstehung zu studieren. wirklich fein fein.
Um die eigenart von der Jupiteroberfläche etwas zu verbessern, würd ich noch etwas rote Farbe hinzumultiplizieren. je nach dem kommt's auch gut etwas inneren Glow zu riskieren. weiss ja nicht ob du's schon probiert hast. Besserwisserisch will ich nur so erwähnen, dass Jupiter die eigenschaft hat ganz scheu selbstleuchtend zu sein.

Aber also dieses Schiff hast du echt verdammt gut hingekriegt. Selten so viele details gesehen.

:beer:

[IceyJones]

hi dalton,

thanks for your comment.

as you saw in my wip i tried many different looks of jupiter, with and without glow etc. finaly i decided to leave the background as it is. cassini took this great image and it is the best resolution picture of jupiter ever. any aditional filter would cause a decrease of realism. furthermore a glow would cause strange results at the edges of the discovery. sure....multipass would fix that, but due to the fact that this will also be an animation in the future, i took this solution....

regarding the self ilumination of jupiter itself im not sure if you would be able to see that effect when u can see areas of jupiter iluminated by the sun at the same time. as well as you cant see stars if the exposure time of the camera is adjusted accoringly to the bright areas of the planet (moon landing pictures discussions regarding the moon hoax have the same "problem").

but thanks agani for your comments :wavey: :thumbsup:

best regards,
icey

[IceyJones]

hi all,

due to the fact my still was not impressive enough for any more comments ;) i´ve done a short animation. maybe you like it more....

To the big 768x432 Version (31.7 mb / DivX) (http://www.iceyjones.de/anis/discovery/final_768.avi)

Small Version (12.7 mb / DivX) (http://www.iceyjones.de/anis/discovery/final_small.avi)

thx 4 comments,
icey

[DrachenVFX]

As a HUGE fan of the story line for 2001/2010, and a mechanical nut, I always loved the design of the Discovery. To me its one of the most elegant spacecraft designs I have ever seen. Better than the Leonov from the second movie, and I think better than any other ship I have seen.

This is really a nice model. I had a few crits based on the still image. Things like the aft thruster compartment looked too flat, and the overall length seemed short. But after seeing the animation, those are all caused by the camera angle.

Really nice work!:thumbsup:

[UnlikelyCorny]

I don't think the lack of response is in the quality of your work, since it all looks great (a few animation issues maybe, but hey).
And the popularity of 2001 on a place like cgtalk is probably high, I, for one, am a big fan.

But,

If I see this I think; why?
Why go through the bother of painstakingly making something that has been made already.
You've made a identical copy of the discovery and presented it in a way we've seen already in the film.

Don't get me wrong, I am very impressed with your craftmanship, but would have loved to see it used for a design of your own, possibly influenced by of based on 2001.
Nevertheless a great job done.

Ps: I would have gone for the red room with all the chipboards that 'Dave' unplugs at the end of the film.

[brzilian]

One small detail - the monolith appears to be a shiny reflective material. To be true to the story, the monolith would be a solid black object with no reflections.

[IceyJones]

Originally posted by UnlikelyCorny
If I see this I think; why?
Why go through the bother of painstakingly making something that has been made already.
You've made a identical copy of the discovery and presented it in a way we've seen already in the film.

hello corny,
thanks for your comment. but i have a slightly different point of view :shrug: half of the works posted here are things that already exists like cars, planes and so on...so why dont making the discovery. from this ship i havnt seen any mesh in the internet, that is worth talking about....but maybe the next project will be an own design....:thumbsup:

hello brazilian,
thanks for your note. i know the movie also very well and i know this detail...but it is very hard to catch a black rock in black space in such a short movie. :rolleyes: so i decided to go this way in order to make the monolith visible for your eyes...i hope it is not too much a mistake

best regards,
icey

[RAF]

The model is great. :thumbsup:
But i think you should do better texturing and lighting work. Take a little distance to the original, that we can see the huge number of details.

One comment to your video: The music you used is not from richard strauß, it´s form Richard Wagner "Also sprach Zaratustra"

[IceyJones]

hi raf,

ur unfortunately wrong....it was composed by strauss, not wagner....u can believe me :wip: i dont know, why many people think that it is from wagner.....

Look here (http://unicast.org/archives/000185.html)

Other site (http://www.americansymphony.org/dialogues_extensions/99_2000season/2000_03_08/strauss.cfm)

greets,
icey

[RAF]

oh shame on me :blush: , your absolutly right 'Also Sprach Zarathustra' composed Richard Strauß.

But please work on your light setup. Your model is so full of details but in the pictures you cant see them...

greetings from austria, RAF

[JasonA]

Nice job on modeling the Discovery! I think you've captured its essence fairly well and your tribute animation to the movie is fun to watch. A great reminder of a fantastic movie and almost timeless special effects :)

I do notice a few things that I should point out. If you're sensitive, you may not want to read below ;) Take it in the spirit of constructive critisism

[nitpick mode ON]
I too have modeled the Discovery about two years ago. I've come to intimately know alot about the prop from 2001 and also the duplicated prop from 2010. The 2010 model actually has alot of inaccuracies which deviate from the original prop. I can appreciate how finding good reference material for this craft is hard.

One thing to be aware of: Be cautious using Simon Atkinsons blueprints of the Discovery, because they are in fact re-creations that were made several years after the original films. While they are good for general things, they have details which are not on the original prop. They only appear on the 2010 discovery, as do several other proportional errors. You have to decide what movie you're going to base your model on and then use photo's and screen caps as much as possible.

- I'm noticing that your model has alot of stuff from the 2010 prop on it. Specifically, behind on the back of the command module (the conic section that connects the command module to the spine).
- Your pod bay doors do not appear large enough in diameter (another 2010 prop difference).

- The grooves running around the circumference of the command module are too tall.

- The e-airlock doow needs to have rounded corners with teethlike grooves running inside it.

- The pod bay doors open seperating at the middle with the top half going up and the bottom half going down. You have your going down as a complete unit.
[nitpick mode OFF]

I really like the way you handled the interior of the pod bay! That was well done indeed :) nice job on the pod too. Overall I think you did a good job on the model, I think you just need more
reference material and you have to decide what flick you're going to base you model off of.

Great job!

:beer:

[IceyJones]

hi jason,

thanks for your comments and you are completely right. my reference material was not good and i used bad blues for it. ironically i found some real nice blues after i finished the model :shrug:

anyway i had to improvise a lot of details due to the fact above. so, for sure, there are some mistakes in detail like the bay-dors. maybe i will find some more time to fix these mistakes, but i also have another job :rolleyes:

i hope you enjoyed the movie anyway :wavey:

and again thanks for your critics....i like critics more than only cheering....critics improove skills...

best regards,
icey

edit: i just saw your pics of the discovery. very nice model and ur right with the props as i said. i think i took the 2010-props....

[magic6435]

am i the only person that sees a large box at the bottom of the first picture ?:wavey:

[JasonA]

Originally posted by magic6435
am i the only person that sees a large box at the bottom of the first picture ?:wavey: lol I think you're the only person who doesn't know that the large box is the Monolith, a central figure to the entire movie :)

[magic6435]

Ooooooo............. *looks sheepish and goes to rent the movie*

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