Maya Crashes .. :(

[Sting3r]

Get rid of windows 2000. I once installed 2000 to try it out and found that it gave me alot of errors and crashed alot.
I switched to XP and everything ran alot faster.

And make sure u get the service packs.

[CgFX]

Have you contacted Alias yet? I am sure they could resolve this for you in a very fast amount of time.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by Sting3r
Get rid of windows 2000. I once installed 2000 to try it out and found that it gave me alot of errors and crashed alot.
I switched to XP and everything ran alot faster.


Windows 2000 works just fine on nForce boards. That is highly doubtful the source of the problem.

First things that come to mind is I wouldn't have gone for an MSI board. Have had and heard far too many horror stories related to MSI.

First thing I would make sure is that you are not overheating. or have ram problems.

First off, go out and download memtest86 3.0. Test your remaining memory. That might tell you a lot.

Also, download motherboard monitor 5.x It will give you heat stats, and other valuable information.

Both are free downloads, do a google search and you'll find both easily.

Oh, also go to www.nforcershq.com, go to the forums, and do a search on Western Digital drives.

Seems to me I saw something there about WD drives awhile back.

[matty429]

What Display drivers are you using.....

The certified ones are 45.28

I had a similar problem ...and it was the Display Drivers

[Pascaru]

the display driver I'm using is 44.03, that's the one I had with the card, I will get the 45.28 right now. thanks a lot Matty429.

I thought win2000 is fine too, that's what Alias website says too, so i'll stay with 2000.

thanks MadMax for all these information, I surely will do that tonight.
about the MSI motherboard.. i don't know what to say, if it doesn't work with the driver update i will consider troubleshooting it.

thanks a lot.
Pascal

[Pascaru]

i just went to the pny website, the latest driver i found was 45.23 for Win2000, so is there really a 45.28 or was it a typo ?

thanks
Pascal

[CgFX]

Have you contacted Alias yet? You paid a lot for this software and they are willing to help resolve this as a part of that relationship with you!

[3Dfx_Sage]

get the drivers from the nVidia site.

and Cg-FX, remmeber not everyone has payed Alias a lot of money. Some people are using the PLE.

[CgFX]

I have found the response "I am using PLE" to, in gerenal, mean "I am using a cracked version of Maya."

PLE use is not that wide-spread nor do people use it for an extended period of time. The get it, they play with it, they make a decision or learn enough to get going and then they either buy it or pirate it. PLE is too crippled to use beyond GUI and workflow training.

note: This does not necessarily apply to Pascaru who hasn't commented on if he has contacted Alias yet or not and what version of Maya he is using.

[3Dfx_Sage]

Well don't make assumptions. I personally used PLE for about 6 months, I know a kid who has been using it for over a year now. If you simply dont have the cash to spare, then you really have no choice unless you want to obtain it illegally. I think the large majority of people would not choose that route.

[matty429]

You can get them

HERE (http://www.techspot.com/drivers/index/file/information/2264)

[Pascaru]

i guess it's more than a maya or quadro problem .. i updated the drivers and still got problems.. i got 3 different BSOD .. i dont like that.. it occurs about every 7-10mins.. i need to check up my memory and motherboard, it's coming from one of them.
i'm sure the video card and software are fine.

thanks guys
Pascal

[nobrain]

When I put my system together I had crashes too, the solution was not update drivers, I had to update my bios, my audigy 2 card kept crashing my system till I did that. So have a look at the manuals that came with your components, more than likely if there are problems with bios being out of date it will be mentioned.

[Pascaru]

thanks nobrain

sorry guys, i thought my problem involved either maya or my video card, i guess it's only my hardware problems..

i changed the RAM and still BSOD .. next step is to change the motherboard.

nobrain, what if it doesn't say anything about bios beein out of date?

[MadMax]

did you try the items I suggested yet?

IF you decide to RMA your board, I might suggest that you try the Abit nF7-S motherboard instead. I think you'll be alot happier with that one.

[3Dfx_Sage]

indeed, my first bet was the motherboard. when people say they are having computer problems and list MSI in their system specs I go "there's your problem" and usually am right ;)

if you do decide to get a new motherboard then, as was mentioned above- the Abit NF7-S is good, but so is the Albatron KX18D Pro II. I have built systems with both boards and I like the Albatron one better, but it's just personal taste I think.

[bmb]

Perhpaps you haven't got an good enough cpu-cooler?
I'm not a Hardware freak, but I had a similar problem.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by bmb
Perhpaps you haven't got an good enough cpu-cooler?


Only reason I didn't suggest that is that it isn't likely based on what he described.

IF it were a cooling issue, he wouldn't just have an app shut down, his system would be more likely to reboot or shut down.

Although it is always a good thing to check and make sure that this isn't a contributory problem.

[3Dfx_Sage]

I think that he did say that he got 3 different BSOD's which, to me, sounds like probably a memory or CPU error... both of which could be cause by that MSI motherboard >8-(

[CgFX]

First, we are still waiting for a comment on what version of Maya this is and why hasn't Alias been contacted for help.

Second, I am curious what you do with PLE for an extended period of time when the output is crippled?

Lastly, BSODs and freezes are almost always system chipset (mobo) related or Creative Labs sound card related (just kidding). Make sure you have the latest drivers for your system chipset loaded, especially if you are using an app and graphics card that heavily exercise the AGP bus.

[3Dfx_Sage]

Originally posted by CgFX
Second, I am curious what you do with PLE for an extended period of time when the output is crippled? the only thing that prevents you from doing is publishing work. It works perfectly well for someone who is learning.

[CgFX]

Originally posted by 3Dfx_Sage
the only thing that prevents you from doing is publishing work. It works perfectly well for someone who is learning.
Agreed.

I guess my only point was that people who spend that long learning are usually in school and they usually have access to full licensed versions for their school or and steep educational discounts.

[3Dfx_Sage]

Originally posted by CgFX
Agreed.

I guess my only point was that people who spend that long learning are usually in school and they usually have access to full licensed versions for their school or and steep educational discounts. I think you make far too many generalizations. It takes a long time to learn and get good with an app such as Maya. Also, "students" could be high school students. Or, they could have access to the full lisenced version at school, but want to be able to work at home too. Going to school can be really hard on your budget and you can't even afford the educational version.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by CgFX
I guess my only point was that people who spend that long learning are usually in school and they usually have access to full licensed versions for their school or and steep educational discounts.


Not necessarily.

Those schools are freakin' expensive. not everyone out there can just shell up 20k+ per year or more.

Then take some guy who wants to change his future and quick working at the local (insert sucky job description here) and wants to be an animator.

what are his alternatives? few. Borrow money to go to a full time school? not easy to do when you have to pay the bills.

Or use the demo unit for a year or so as you learn. Buy books and videos. bust your ass and eventually save up to buy the real thing to make your reel with.

Hey, it's a new year, I'm trying to paint an optimistic picture.

[GregHess]

Remember that PLE is a stepping stone. Its more of a taste then a true learning tool.

The next step from PLE isn't a commercial version of maya, its the educational versions.

Which if your buying through a store like journeyed.com is 599.99 for Maya Complete 5, and 799.99 for Maya Unlimited 5.

If you happen to be attending a school which offers the programs you want, the price drops even further, sometimes even below 300 USD.

This allows someone to learn the tools while building a portfolio.

For all needs and purposes the educational versions are full versions of the application...your just agreeing not to make money with your work.

So why would people go out of their way to figure out if your running Maya 5, Maya 5 EDU, Maya PLE, or "another" version of Maya.

Its easy. Troubleshooting cracked or illegal copies wastes everyones time.
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[3Dfx_Sage]

yeah, noone's debating whether the full commercial versions are better. But some people simply don't have $300 to spare. I have friends who rarely have $15 to spare (adults who work for a living, not kids who get money from their parents). I know parents who would go out and pick up cans on the road to recycle so that they could buy their kids a computer because they wanted to give them the oportunity to learn computers and the internet. What do you think is going to happen if one of these kids asks for even $150 to buy a copy of Truespace (dont really know how much truespace goes for anymore.. and I really dont care either :P )? There's no way that those kids are going to be able to buy a real copy of Maya if they are so poor that they rely on the government to buy their school lunches, so what ar ethey going to do? Get some warezed version? I doubt that parents that care so much about their kids as to pick up cans for them would promote or allow that sort of thing, not to mention they could never recover from any legal troubble that might ensue. Their only option is to use the PLE version, and that's a hell of a lot more than was available a few years ago. Hell, I know a kid who has modeled, rigged, and rederef full animations of characters using the PLE. Why? because with 7 siblings his parents can barely afford internet access and he's too young to get a job himself.

[CgFX]

Originally posted by 3Dfx_Sage
yeah, noone's debating whether the full commercial versions are better. But some people simply don't have $300 to spare.
Being poor has long sinced failed as a defense for stealing. I don't know why people who have shown themselves to be smart in many areas continue to go there when it comes to piracy.

My point (which a couple of you seem hell-bent on not addressing) is that far more people are using cracked versions of Maya than are using PLE. I don't know why we continue to dance around that.

It seems obvious to me over my time on this forum that those who post up here complaining about bugs in Maya and refuse to discuss going to Alias to get them fixed are more often than not using pirated software.

As Greg suggests, many of us would rather not waste our time helping them get things fixed if they are not on a legal, supported platform. But that is our choice, yours can be different.

In this thread I simply tried repeatedly to find out if Step 1 had even been completed... contact Alias for support.

[3Dfx_Sage]

Originally posted by CgFX Being poor has long sinced failed as a defense for stealing. I don't know why people who have shown themselves to be smart in many areas continue to go there when it comes to piracy.
I really hope you aren't insinuating that I ever suggested this. That was part of ym argument for using the PLE, and now you try to use it to show me supporting theft? But thank you for calling me smart :cool:
My point (which a couple of you seem hell-bent on not addressing) is that far more people are using cracked versions of Maya than are using PLE. I don't know why we continue to dance around that.
On this forum I would prefer not to get involved in such a discussion. Supporting warez will get you banned from this forum, so I perfer to simply not bring up such a sensative issue. And I would hope that most people trying to do profesional work (ie I think just about everyone here) would act profesionally and do the right thing.
It seems obvious to me over my time on this forum that those who post up here complaining about bugs in Maya and refuse to discuss going to Alias to get them fixed are more often than not using pirated software.
I am not a software cop. I will not support the distribution or use of pirated software, but that does not mean I have to hunt down people who do. I'm sure Alias and the FBI can do a much better job of that than I.
As Greg suggests, many of us would rather not waste our time helping them get things fixed if they are not on a legal, supported platform. But that is our choice, yours can be different.
I am not a software cop. I am not a narc. I have enough faith in other human beings not to assume that most people are trying to steal. Sure, there are a lot of people out there using pirated versions of all kinds of software; I know even I used to pirate games and music when I was younger, as I'm sure most people have at some point. But, I believe that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I will not assume that anyone, unless they give some direct indication thereto, is using pirated software.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by CgFX
Being poor has long sinced failed as a defense for stealing. I don't know why people who have shown themselves to be smart in many areas continue to go there when it comes to piracy.

My point (which a couple of you seem hell-bent on not addressing) is that far more people are using cracked versions of Maya than are using PLE. I don't know why we continue to dance around that.

It seems obvious to me over my time on this forum that those who post up here complaining about bugs in Maya and refuse to discuss going to Alias to get them fixed are more often than not using pirated software.


Don't see where you are getting this piracy crap from, or that anyone is defending it.

People stated very good reasons for using the PLE for a year or more.

As for piracy, I wouldn't be so quick to make that blanket piracy charge without something to back it up. Once upon a time there was a usenet group for Lightwave. It degenerated into a cesspool of accusations of piracy anytime ANYONE asked a question of any kind. It got to the point that you felt like you hd to provide your keycode in every post to prove you were legit.

And his question isn't necessarily a Maya specific question anyway. So take an advil and chill man.

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