Character wip and facial rig study

[Zarathustra]

That's a beautifully textured model! Once I get over how good it looks then I'll get to the rigging.....:drool:

[JJ3d]

weeeeee!!
Loggie is back to LW!

as usual.. great model! the textures looks really good!
the morphs are awesome.. fleshy :bowdown:

this method is really good for not to stretch the muscles in impossible directions

I would like to see how do u control the bumpmap
btw.. did u try with displacement maps for wrinkles or under bones?

I will hold on some questions for later.. :)

good to see u back! and happy new year!

JJ3d

[LittleFenris]

Originally posted by Zarathustra
That's a beautifully textured model! Once I get over how good it looks then I'll get to the rigging.....:drool:

Yeah, no kidding. :eek: I hope at some point I will be able to texture half that well....and wow, that modeling. :buttrock: I didn't understand pixelrangers methods, so I can't comment on your rig. Looks awesome to me. (the facial morphs, no idea about the rig itself technically)

[5TEF]

great model and poses !

i like the "atmosphere" :)

:thumbsup:

[Keddy]

Great model! Beautitful texturing!

Keep updating us

Happy New Year!

Cheers,

Keddy

[Julez4001]

very nice shading work.

[filipelopes]

Hey logan,

As usual, your model is fantastic.... The shader is veeeeeeery good too, but i think a little bit less red on the nose would be better... but may be it's the style...

The method you're using to make expressions seems to be very good and combining it with maps ( as you're doing ) it can be extremelly usefull, easy to animate and get very impressive results....

I think you should try to activate another diffuse map, as you are doing with bump....

Something similar was developed by the fellows at Esc Enterteinment ( supervised by George Borshukov ) and used on Matrix Reloaded ( and Revolutions also )... But in that case, bump and difuse are animated....

You can see what i'm trying to explain in this link (http://www.virtualcinematography.org/)



Thanx... And keep posting :p

[RickThiele]

Hey loggie!!!!

Awesome work!!!

the rig looks pretty cool too.. could u show us some tests with the rig maybe? ;D

Love the texturing, specially the nose and cheek areas!! :surprised

Aaaaaas for critics..... :rolleyes:

the ears looks a bit too bright, you could maybe follow a bit of the cheeks color and the redness of the nose

the morphs are ****ing cool!!! specially the animated bump map that follows them ;)
i really really really like the "eye bags" on the last 2 morphs... perfect =D

and i totally agree with filipe.. u could have them control the diffuse map as well..
i dont know if theres any need in making various different diffuse maps.. i guess u can have a good result with weight maps adding some extra fractal colors on different places depending on the morph...
like making the skin reddish when pressed hard at a spot

something that bothers me a bit are the eyes... cant see any texture, specially on the iris...

anndd. last thing... this character looks exactly like u!!! even the red nose ! =P

anndd.. thats it =)

****ing awesome!!!!
but it took an awefull while till u "had the time" to show us something ¬_¬

keep posting.. let us :drool:

cya buddy

[marioucci]

Heyas guys,

Thanks a lot for the great replies.

I totally agree with you and im working to fix the areas u mentioned.

The eyes need a lot of work yet.
The ears need some textures. so far its only shaders.

Im gonna use some animated gradients to make some areas reddish when morphed for sure.

What im most focused now is to create corrective morphs to each combination in a way that when 2 or more morphs are reaching 100%, it activates the corrective morph to avoid problems(thanks to Daniel PK and Bay raitt for the explanations about it.)

anyways, this is another set of tests without the fixin morphs so u can see problems happening when i have some combinations.

cheers mates

Loggie


http://www.cbsp.com.br/3d/Pictures/Logan/mockupnew.jpg

[Chewey]

Very nice work! It's really refreshing to see some modeling work that goes beyond the over simplified sub-d approach for a change. :thumbsup:

[Steve Warner]

Woah! Wonderful work, Loggie!!! :drool: That's some increadible modeling and just outstanding texturing. Very, very nice!

Thanks for sharing it with us!

Cheers,

Steve

[samartin]

This is looking great already, the attention to detail is great, the introduction of wrinkles within some face morphs is such a neat touch...

Just wish some areas were lightened up a bit to show off some more details, oh and why did you model in wings ???

[xtrm3d]

nice texturing !!
nice modelling !!
and cool lightning...

did i mention the great expression ?? lol
:beer:

[chrisWhite]

Ditto to what xtrm3d said! :thumbsup:

Very awesome work, especially the texturing and the expressions. :buttrock:

[Pi3141]

Awesome Logan! :buttrock:

Love the buldging eyes :D

[carbon8]

Absolutely Amazing work; modeling, textureing, rigging; every aspect just superb!:bounce:

[policarpo]

very very beautiful Loganarts...just flawlessly amazing!

[Facial Deluxe]

Superior work !:buttrock:

[cerreto]

Hey mario you should be freezing your balls off about now my lil brazillian buddy Great texture work man

[Nemoid]

Fantastic work and killer expressions! the red nose bothers me a bit, but if you have the nose like thatas someone said, well I'm totally wrong!!!

I find the trick of null linked to bump map cool. very cool. :drool:

[T4D]

Very Cool model

the joystick method of face rigging is excellent I've done afew myself here's alittle list of what i've been using for endomorphs to Joystick layout, i found this works well for lip scyn and expression mixing This is a working list so changes are always going on, its only a guide :D

Hope it helps :D



Joystick face morph list ( ver.004 )

- Eye Brow A -

Brow Both Up
Brow Both Down
Brow Left Up Only
Brow Right Up Only

- Eye Brow B -

Brow center face of brow up ( shocked )
Brow center face of brow down ( angry )
Brow Left Down Only
Brow Right Down Only

- Eye Lids -

Eye lid closed Left only
Eye lid closed Right only
Eye lids both open wide
Eye lids Shut tight


- Jaw _

Jaw Open
Jaw closed tight
Jaw left
Jaw Right

- Mouth A -

ARR ( scream type shape with teeth )
Fff ( bottom lip under top lip in mouth )
Ooo ( O small tight shape =)
Aaa ( Big O type shape no teeth )

- Mouth B -

Sad
Smile
Kiss ( lips puff out )
thin lip ( as if sucked on a lemon )

- Mouth C -

Bare teeth top
strong Mmm
snarl left
Snarl Right

- Stretch Head or Jaw for toons -

Strerch head up and down
Strerch head in and small opposite of above
Strerch head left
Strerch head Right

- Eyes controled by bones targeted to null -
( But if wanting to control with joystick )

Eyes up
Eyes Down
Eyes left
Eyes right

[ptaverner]

Wow!

I've seen some really good posts here. THIS one is by far one of the BEST! OUTSTANDING JOB all arond!

Peter

[Locutus]

:eek: :bowdown:
Man, that is some awesome work. I check out your site from time to time and I am simply amazed at your skill. Your modeling is top notch.
Using the on screen controls for facial rigging/animation has always facinated me
I hope that some either you or T4D will create a tutorial for us lesser skilled character riggers to learn.

[gerardo]

Excuse for the dumb question :blush:
Is there some way to record the movement of the controller null?
Some option like in AE or Particle Illusion in that you can move an emitter in the screen and to record that movement in real time?
We can do this in LW???


Gerardo

[T4D]

Umm you uses a standard null for the center of the control ...:rolleyes:
so it animates like anything else in Lightwave ;)

[Jonathan]

Looks pretty good logan.

*overly-simplied sub-D models?*

Would someone please explain to me? I must stupid because that comment went right over my head. What is an overly-simplified sub-D model?

[Chewey]

Hey Mário,

I just took a trip to your site to check out your other works. Very, very, nice examples there especially in the XSI category! Looks like you're got a pretty good range covered from the lo poly sub-d to the hi poly count for the extra detail. including some very cool texture work and interesting morphs as well.

Super work! :thumbsup:

[samartin]

Originally posted by Jonathan
Looks pretty good logan.

*overly-simplied sub-D models?*

Would someone please explain to me? I must stupid because that comment went right over my head. What is an overly-simplified sub-D model?

I think that comment came from the 1st screenshot shown, just the sub-D level shown in the viewport at a very low level, maybe level 1 ?!?!?!

[Chewey]

No, it wasn't referring to Mário's work.
Simply referring to the difference in modeling approaches that you see here within the Lightwave forum. Some are more detailed and others are intentionally less complex for effect. Mário's work here shows more detail and capability for a range of realisitic experession due to it.

[Jonathan]

AAhhh.

Yeah you're right. His style does have that effect.

[marioucci]

Heyas guys,

Thanks very very much for the feedback on this.

Its been hard to re-learn lightwave and ur comments really helped me to keep up.


Chewey,

Thank you for your comments man.
I know you since the time i was using lightwave before so it means a lot to me:)

Samartin,

i did it in wings because i was using wings by the time i did it. then i moved to xsi and did a bit more of it in xsi, now im using LW so i finished it in lw... pheww... i should stop moving apps lol.

Heyas Trav,

Nice to hear from u again man... Yeah!! its cold here haha!!!

T4D,

Thanks a lot for the explanation man!!!!!




I am now working very hard on the deformation aspects of the scene so i wont be touching the texturing for a while(still loads to do on it) . This is a first test of the eye deformation.

Lemme know what u think ok?

Im using another tip from pixelranger (thanks again mate) so im using 2 bones to deform the skin around the eye. one controls the eyeball and the other control the skin with a small weight map. the skin bone follows the eyeball bone with a lil less power. I still have to work on the weight map thou to make the lower part of the eye to be a lil smooth.

Anyways, please lemme know what u think ok?

PS> im gonna rework the soecular map in the under eye skin:)

cheers

Loggie

http://www.cbsp.com.br/3d/Pictures/Logan/eyeskin2.gif

[Facial Deluxe]

That eyelid bone effect is simply gorgeous :cool:

[liquidik]

mmm...this is very very good.

Maybe it's stretching too much when he looks up, but the bulging when he looks down is SUPER! :buttrock: :buttrock:

[Thiago Elias]

:drool:
Logan seu cheater..

ta muito loco, como sempre né...

qualquer hora te pentelho no icq.. :cool: []´s

ta muito show !!

:wip:

[pixelranger]

Awesome! This is just getting better and better. :buttrock:

I love the results you have achieved with the eyelid bones!

What you could also do is link a bump map with a white circle/disk on it to the eye bone so that when he's moving his eyeballs with his eyes shut you can see the "displacement" from the cornea moving under it. Very unlikely that you would need it but if he's going to have his eyes shut for a short time it could raise the reality factor to even higher than it is now (it thats possible).
Keep it up! :bowdown:

[Facial Deluxe]

I can't support this beauty falling into the limbes of CGtalk !
Allow me to bump this Master :bowdown:

[CIM]

Great work, Mario. Nice to see you posting. :thumbsup:

[j3st3r]

Hello Loggie,

it`s great work, and welcome back to LW. Would you mind to share with us your skin shading technique and your light setup? It`s nice to learn from such a studies like this.

One more question, how do you proceed with Metagons site?

[Steve Warner]

Loggie, that's got to be one of the most impressive CGI eye animations I've ever seen. No kidding. That's just beautiful work. This thread gets 5-stars from me. :bowdown:

[Pi3141]

Oh wow, now I can't stop staring at that guys eyes... freaky! lol but oh so gorgeous :buttrock:

If I dare critique, I'd say the eyelids move a little too much with the eye movements.

Eitherway, you have me drooling :drool:

[MrWyatt]

good to see loggie again.
Great work. mind posting a little animation?
:thumbsup:

bwt i´m curently reading "stop staring- facial modeling and animation done right" awesome book by the way. i haven´t come that far thou, don´t have much time to read these days. but for all who want to learn this type of method i can highly recomend this book, it´s written with maya in mind but the technique is aplicable to LW too.
stop staring (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0782141293/102-2759752-9925742?v=glance)

[mushroomgod]

realy wonderfull work, looks almost oil painted:thumbsup:

[mushroomgod]

realy wonderfull work, looks almost oil painted:thumbsup:

[untilitsleeps]

:shrug: Hmm, That looks a bit like my dad, but its still awesome:buttrock:

[untilitsleeps]

:shrug: Hmm, That looks a bit like my dad, but its still awesome:buttrock:

[untilitsleeps]

accidently put it twice, sorry for all the bad I have done in my life:blush:

[AndrewE]

OH WOOOOOOW!!!!


:drool:

[marioucci]

Hey!!!!! cgtalk didnt warned me bout those replies!!!

Anyways, here it goes:


Facial Deluxe, thanks for re-animating this lol coming from u is ultra flattering:)

Pixelranger, cheers mate!!! all the info u supplied is what save this work.

Steve warner, i am really really happy!! u just made my day!!! thank you

j3, thanks a lot man.. theres no technique.. its just a trial error thing... i can send u the scene with the light rig if u want thou...
i wont be using this scene for anything apart from that. cheers my friend

Pisong, thanks man!!! and its true.. it moves too much lol my bad:)

Mr wyatt, cheers mate, i have the book its brilliant. thanks a lot !!!


mushroom, that was my intention thanks very much mate
untilitsleeps, mine too actually haha thanks a lot

CIM, thanks man!!!!

Serial, vc sabe q eu te amo neh?

Liquid, thanks a lot man!! and ure totally right.... its stretching too much i have to fix it someday.. no.. in my next wrok actually lol.

Andrew E chhheeeeeerrrrrrrsssss
thanks a lot guys.

cheers

Loggie

[Fungusmonkey]

That's friggin awesome! Would've said so earlier, but I was in a "kick@ss-3d-supremacy" induced coma. Just woke up from it.

And I definitely have to agree with loganarts and mrwyatt. Stop Staring should be considered required reading if you're doing facial animation. There's about a million little things that Jason Osipa goes over in the book that you don't think about. The eyelids following the eyes for example. I didn't even realize that my eyes did that until I got that book.

Anyway, loganarts: Great model, great texture, rig looks great. This'll be front page in no time.

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