CGTalk - WOW...This computer is AMAZING

agreenster

12-25-2003, 05:19 AM

Ive read countless threads and stories about "l" computers and all I have to say is this: be careful. They are overclocked, over-priced custom PC's. You're better off just getting an alienware or homebuilt PC, because after all, it'll be outdated in three months anyway, overclocked or not. Just do the best with what you have. You dont always have to have the best PC to make amazing work. People can do amazing things when they prioritize, and know how to use their machines efficiently. But dropping 5 grand or more on an overclocked computer (or any computer for that matter) just doesnt seem to make much sense economically, regardless of the performance.

dvornik

12-25-2003, 05:26 AM

So you guys are saying that that Lieberman guy is for real? I mean.. it's a bone fide highend PC vendor? With THAT website?
http://www.go-l.com/_images/largelcdani1.swf

[edit] If they are for real all they need to do is to get a better case - not that plastic crap. And then they're all set.

Novakog

12-25-2003, 05:54 AM

There is some pop-up to win one of these, can't remember where though... Probably some catch also. But ya, it would not be worth it to buy one.

I would be interested to know how they got 13 ms response times on 23 inch monitors, I didn't know they came that low on 23 inches. The Dell 2001 FPs have what, 15 ms, but they're 20.1 inch (I know there is no correlation between rt and size, just I didn't know that monitors like that were manufactures at all).

singularity2006

12-25-2003, 06:03 AM

they really overdid the WinXP interface... horrible use of system resources I would say. I don't think I need so many "real-time" monitors for stuff. I'd rather send my system resources to render. Anyhow, I'd rather overclock my own system then have someone do it for me.

And yeah, it DOES look like a student web project. Subtract all the excessive text and excessive in text images, and I would actually really like the site.

And heh, "supercomputer?" What constitutes a super computer these days? I was always under the impression they were large machines running parallel processors and such .... maybe a nice Cray or maybe a nice Earth Simulator. ^.^

Anyhow, I wonder what the implications are for a 3rd party manufacturer to overclock OEM parts. Does that mean there's no warranty?

Anyhow, fun site if you want to look @ how hard u can overclock yourself, but I wouldn't waste my money there.

elvis

12-25-2003, 10:53 AM

i haven't read the website in depth, but what are the warranties like? i find it hard to believe any overclocked system comes with a decent warranty if the onboard cooling were to fail.

blendertrout

12-26-2003, 09:13 AM

Wow under Specs it says these things weigh up to 70 pounds!!! I have NO idea how they pack 70 pounds of hardware into a mid-tower PC case... I mean a bag of Concrete is 70 pounds! These things seem just to outrageous... It's hard to believe it is a real product...

RenderStream

12-26-2003, 04:08 PM

Just looks like some photoshop work to normal desktop PC's..

imashination

12-26-2003, 04:27 PM

Guys, for the last time, these are real computers, they really work and they come with a full warrenty, hence the price.

stephen2002

12-26-2003, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by blendertrout
Wow under Specs it says these things weigh up to 70 pounds!!! I have NO idea how they pack 70 pounds of hardware into a mid-tower PC case... I mean a bag of Concrete is 70 pounds! These things seem just to outrageous... It's hard to believe it is a real product...

Most of the weight would come from the compressor and radiator unit in there. These things are not just liquid cooled, they are refigerant cooled.

sevenfingers

12-27-2003, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by imashination
Guys, for the last time, these are real computers, they really work and they come with a full warrenty, hence the price.

Guys, for the last time, it's a fraud, a fancy copied front to harvest email addys and what not. Besides, it's bad photoshop work all over those product shots. heh.

http://plex.us/outbursts/liebermann.html

Novakog

12-27-2003, 08:26 AM

If what you mean by "hoax" that the computer isn't real and that you can't actually buy it and get one, I highly doubt that. It has been reviewed by other places.

http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/products/story/0,24330,3589077,00.html

That said, it does look like a student web design project, there is so much marketing crap and stuff like that it really makes me NOT want to buy it, but I think it's probably a real computer.

And about the Photoshopping stuff, can you point me to some images? I didn't see anything that looked photoshopped.

imashination

12-27-2003, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by sevenfingers
Guys, for the last time, it's a fraud, a fancy copied front to harvest email addys and what not. Besides, it's bad photoshop work all over those product shots. heh.

Did it just get stupider in here? I know for a fact that they are real and do work because I have used one. Yes, most pictures are photoshopped, d'ya know why? because they look better.

http://www.apple.com/ibook/
Oh no!, Apple have photoshopped an image onto the ibook screen, that must mean they're a hoax!

http://hpshopping.speedera.net/www.shopping.hp.com/shopping/images/products/311324_400.jpg
Gasp!, the ipaq PDA has been photoshopped, mine must be a hoax too.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/digitalphotography/learnmore/fixit/editing.asp
Uh oh, Microsoft are actually advocating the use of image editing programs, this must mean they are working with Appl, HP and L to defraud the entire world.

blendertrout

12-27-2003, 04:44 PM

I do want one of those LCD screens on the front of the case though... anyone know where I can buy one? I'm sure it's not made exclusively for these goons.

sevenfingers

12-27-2003, 05:21 PM

sure.

buy the case at

http://vapochill.com/

the drivebay LCD at

http://www.coolcasemods.com/customer/home.php?cat=3&page=3.

The screens you could buy from

http://www.9xmedia.com/pages-Build_a_system/X-Top_Design_a_system-Configurations.html or http://www.viewsonic.com/multipanelpromo/

RenderStream

12-27-2003, 08:51 PM

"And about the Photoshopping stuff, can you point me to some images? I didn't see anything that looked photoshopped."

You obviously have not witnessed the power of photoshop. It's ability to manipulate photos is amazing.

imashination

12-27-2003, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by RenderStream
It's ability to manipulate photos is amazing.

What about shops though?

Ice Czar

12-28-2003, 12:30 AM

exercise extreme caution
while there maybe a few rigs in reviewers hands
that site is rife with technical inconsistencies

and we have been treating it with considerable skepticism
over at [H]ard|Forums (and we are not alone)

and while sevenfingers assertion that its a fraud might be premature, its still a very real possibility, especially on the higher end systems, reviewers have been fooled (or bought) before
and several have declined any coverage outright
(because of the obvious inconsistencies)

I think a review of the link sevenfingers provided is inorder
http://plex.us/outbursts/liebermann.html

http://www.pcsympathy.com/article290.html

"On September 22, 2003 I was first made aware of this company's (fictitious) display product known as the Grand Canyon. I looked briefly at the press release on their site and thought: "oh that's cool, but too exotic for me." On Thursday the 25th, I somehow got the idea that there was a controversy over the legitimacy of Liebermann, Inc. I went back to their site, and went to their home page for the first time. I was immediately suspicious and, with Steve's help, we pieced together a lot of the scam that evening. Aside from outlandish claims, general unrealism and a broken e-commerce system, there were numerous other discrepancies contained within their site. Most surprisingly and amusingly, several Mac news sites, and even Forbes.com were befooled by this hoax -- and continue to believe that it's real. [Forbes has since come to its senses.]

This is a very clever hoax, and is responsible for a good solid 48 hours of enjoyment on our part. So thanks, Lisa! (Read on for details.)

This is the best entertainment that Hollywood has produced in recent history."

Forbes has indeed pulled their article ;)

http://www.forbes.com/2003/09/24/cx_ah_0924tentech.html?partner=yahoo&referrer=A PC Display To Fall In Love With

Arik Hesseldahl, 09.24.03, 10:00 AM ET

NEW YORK - We're sorry. This story is no longer available.

elvis

12-28-2003, 12:34 AM

as sevenfingers said, thay are vapochill cases complete with inbuilt watercooling and temp sensores (the LCD display things you see on the front).

whether or not the site and products are valid is a moot point. i can buy the same components and make my own overclocked system for half the price.

last time i checked, people selling overclocked CPUs in systems got thumped by intel. if these guys are legit, expect intel to slap them around with some legal action very soon.

Ice Czar

12-28-2003, 12:53 AM

what I had immediate difficulty with is the data storage options
in the server\workstation section
especially the proprietary "Enhanced CacheFlow"

Originally posted by singularity2006
they really overdid the WinXP interface... horrible use of system resources I would say. I don't think I need so many "real-time" monitors for stuff. I'd rather send my system resources to render.

actually those are all native performance monitors in W2K\XP
and poorly ported to some software, nothing you couldnt do (much better) with Samurize (http://www.samurize.com/modules/news/) (Freeware) and the resource use isnt much ;)

if they help you optimize your system or alert you to a problem, they are well worth it (and you can toggle the client off and on )

salmonmoose

12-28-2003, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by singularity2006 And heh, "supercomputer?" What constitutes a super computer these days? I was always under the impression they were large machines running parallel processors and such .... maybe a nice Cray or maybe a nice Earth Simulator. ^.^

"Supercomputer" just refers to calculations per second, from memory roughly equivilant to a PII-600. It's a term coined back when people didn't think the home user would ever need more than 640k of ram :)

milkyman

12-29-2003, 05:42 PM

i got one of those lcd screens a while back. to safely fit in the drive bays with out damage and or tacking wood to the inside of your comp to support it. you need (to destroy, the plastic covers) 3 drive bays the screen its self is the same size as 2 drive bays. it has been discontinued by almost ALL retailers. that i can find. mine cost £50. thats UK sterling.

the company i bought my screen from is not a dodgy company. it is acceptable. it was a while back.

you have to be really careful with this company. page that someone posted is good. it is not a hate site. but a very compelling arguement. i used hate site for short. i think that there product will be no more your or mine home-built computers.

i wouldn't count on the warranty its most likely useless. The company could come back with a different name and many other scams that people operate. its been documented from a government agency that warranys like dixons may not be value for money. i would agree withthis, that is why my opinion may seem slightly biased.. just trust me on this - cheaper to fix it your self than a warranty.

i believe you would actually get a machine if you ordered. you will not then get what you expected. i've been "kind of" bitten by things similar to this.

kind of means - i don't want to talk about it.

The agreement\contract\disclaimer MAY even if they send you something different to what you thought you bought may stop you from doing anything about it. ie they could talk there way out of it.

an example that springs to mind is HP new laptop line that had an outdated radeon in them. it was on the inquirer i am sure most read this.

it COULD be real in one respect but a scam at the same time.

i wouldn't touch this with a 60 foot barge pole.

This post was never intended to get a rise out of anyone but othe posts got a rise out of me so this is why i am editing.

I wanted to hear from the guy who had used one. could he explain which one he used. have actual photographic evidence of this. prove that he is not affiliated with the "company".

"i have worked on one" - prove it. really, feel free, go ahead.

i would not like to see someone ripped off here.

:cry: - sorry for offense.

imashination

12-29-2003, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by milkyman
i got one of those lcd screens a while back. to safely fit in the drive bays with out damage and or tacking wood to the inside of your comp to support it. you need (to destroy, the plastic covers) 3 drive bays the screen its self is the same size as 2 drive bays. it has been discontinued by almost ALL retailers. that i can find. mine cost £50. thats UK sterling.

the company i bought my screen from is not a dodgy company. it is acceptable. it was a while back.

you have to be really careful with this company. that hate site is great - i'd feel like that if i bought one. it appears just to be sloppy unlike your and mine home-built computers.

i wouldn't count the warranty for shit. just trust me on this - cheaper to fix it your self than a warranty.

i believe you would actually get a machine if you ordered. you will not then get what you expected. i've been "kind of" bitten by things similar to this.

kind of means - i don't want to talk about it.

. . . you really won't get what you expected. and they agreement you have "signed" like "mickey mouse" means there nothing u can do if you wanted to sue.

its real in one respect but a scam at the same time.

i wouldn't touch this with a 60 foot barge pole.

who is this person that keeps popping up and supporting the company? have you bought one?

"i have worked on one" - prove it.

i would not like to see someone ripped off here.

Im not supporting or dismissing them, I am dispelling your unqualified comments that these systems don't exist, are overpriced, are badly made and generally not very good.

Its not my job to prove I have used one. You can either believe I have or you can just sit on your arse trolling as usual.

You have never used this system, you have never seen one, you've never bought one. All you have going for you is that you read some guys site who also has not seen or used one.

What is this mythical mickeymouse agreement which you have neither seen nor signed?

mastermesh

12-29-2003, 06:32 PM

would a newbie company that is suppossedly in CA have GA address for tech support? http://www.samspade.org/t/lookat?a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.go-l.com%2Fsupport%2Findex.htm

milkyman

12-29-2003, 06:34 PM

i think my post was fair. i think it pointed out my experiences with companies in similar stature to this one.

i have explained the lcd screen and that they don't seem to be available anymore - if so where are they getting stock from? doesn't seem worth while for the manufacturer.

i pointed out my misgivings of the company. i have no good comments to make for them.

i ask you to explain why u seem to like this company and why. i just want some evidence that u have used one of these a photo would be evidence enough.

that webpage is VERY detailed and VERY compelling.

i have not at once attacked you or mooted any illfeeling towards you.

after reading my post i feel it is slightly OTT. i mixed my words slighty and i will now adjust the post to better convey my feelings of this compay.

edit: you said you used one, why can't you prove it.

if i said aliens are comming a mulder and scully were sat here with me "trolling" then you'd want me to prove it right?

btw they are not sat here and i was only using it as an example.

imashination

12-29-2003, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by mastermesh
would a newbie company that is suppossedly in CA have GA address for tech support? http://www.samspade.org/t/lookat?a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.go-l.com%2Fsupport%2Findex.htm

Thats just the web hosting support you silly sod, not the company's hardware tech support address.

imashination

12-29-2003, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by milkyman
i think my post was fair. i think it pointed out my experiences with companies in similar stature to this one.

i have explained the lcd screen and that they don't seem to be available anymore - if so where are they getting stock from? doesn't seem worth while for the manufacturer.

i pointed out my misgivings of the company. i have no good comments to make for them.

i ask you to explain why u seem to like this company and why. i just want some evidence that u have used one of these a photo would be evidence enough.

that webpage is VERY detailed and VERY compelling.

i have not at once attacked you or mooted any illfeeling towards you.

after reading my post i feel it is slightly OTT. i mixed my words slighty and i will now adjust the post to better convey my feelings of this compay.

edit: you said you used one, why can't you prove it.

if i said aliens are comming a mulder and scully were sat here with me "trolling" then you'd want me to prove it right?

btw they are not sat here and i was only using it as an example.

1) You refused to list these experiences or mention which company it was, this doesn't add much weight to your argument

2) Just because you persoanlly cant buy a small LCD screen doesn't mean other companies don't have suppliers.

3) Im not in to the habit of photographing myself with every piece of hardware I use. I can't be arsed putting together any evidence that I have used a computer and even if I was bored enough to, what could I possibly do to prove it? I used one several months ago and didn't think to record the monumental event, oh what a fool I was...

4) I don't particularly like that company, I hate stupidity and blind ignorance being passed off as advice.

5) All company-hate websites are detailed, they're generally run by pissed off people with nothing better to do.

6) If you said aliens are coming I would ignore you. Me claiming I have used an overclocked computer isn't qute so hard to believe though.

singularity2006

12-29-2003, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Ice Czar
actually those are all native performance monitors in W2K\XP
and poorly ported to some software, nothing you couldnt do (much better) with Samurize (http://www.samurize.com/modules/news/) (Freeware) and the resource use isnt much ;)

if they help you optimize your system or alert you to a problem, they are well worth it (and you can toggle the client off and on ) [/B]

eeewwww... it's built in??? :eek: what a further waste of OS resources. -.-" No way to go but 2K for me. :scream: Heh, I'm just not a fan of seeing many little icons everywhere. Minimize, minimize, minimize. =)

MattClary

12-29-2003, 07:42 PM

This months issue of Maximum PC has a review of one of these machines. A lot of their readers were writing in and bugging them to do it, so they did. The machine met mediocre reviews, but it existed. I don't think the site is an out-and-out scam, but I DO predict they will fall flat. I think they're trying to market these machines on hype. I don't neccesarily think they are actually shipping (all) products yet either. Maximum PC was supposed to get a machine with some uber-ramdrive card and it was MIA, could never get one. They equipped the thing with an array of 18 gigabyte hard drives. 18 gigabytes!?!?! That's SOOOOOO 2001!

milkyman

12-29-2003, 07:44 PM

1) You refused to list these experiences or mention which company it was, this doesn't add much weight to your argument

2) Just because you persoanlly cant buy a small LCD screen doesn't mean other companies don't have suppliers.

3) Im not in to the habit of photographing myself with every piece of hardware I use. I can't be arsed putting together any evidence that I have used a computer and even if I was bored enough to, what could I possibly do to prove it? I used one several months ago and didn't think to record the monumental event, oh what a fool I was...

4) I don't particularly like that company, I hate stupidity and blind ignorance being passed off as advice.

5) All company-hate websites are detailed, they're generally run by pissed off people with nothing better to do.

6) If you said aliens are coming I would ignore you. Me claiming I have used an overclocked computer isn't qute so hard to believe though.

here we go . . .

1. what are you talking about?. if you are talking about my "bad experience" it was explaining my reason for making the post in the first place. this company had a similar feel. and it was a completely unreleated subject to computers.

2. There are many lcd screens. i opted for a matrix orbital display it fits in one drive bay. i also usedthe samurizzzzeee software (first class stuff) sorry can't spell it.

3. i don't want a photo of you. just the computer. hehe. all u said was that u used it not where. ie at what company/ place and will they back you up? i mean i can remember loads of things. perhaps see a doctor? brain tumor blocking your short or long term memory.

4. it wasn't advice. it was my opinion. for other to take it or leave it. its not only my opinion theres 10 oter people at least and many others agreeing here. I can charge by the hour if u want ADVICE.

5. true just like you and me posting here. i have nothing better to do? sure i do. but its a democracy and i'm entitled to do what i want. what do you disagree withon the so-called "hate site"?

6. The truth is out there. well not yet. i've not even seen one real life ie in real life room photo of this system (LOL) anywhere. and i'd like to see the cover opened to see inside of it also.