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CGmonkey
12-19-2003, 11:36 AM
Ladies and gentlemen it's time for the Gameart Competition #5. The winner of the last competition, Caustic, has gently turned down the offer to set the theme for this competition so we must vote democraticly for a theme.

The four choices were proposed in "Lets bring back the gameart contests!" (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109876).

The choice that will have most votes on january 1st will be taken as the theme for the game art competition #5.

Thx Dargon for formulating the choices! :)

Vote on!

rob-beddall
12-19-2003, 12:47 PM
hey!!

that one vote for pre-1990 game character.........

that was me that was.

cheers!!

Prs-Phil
12-19-2003, 03:19 PM
ups I arrived a bit late, ... cgmonkey, could you read through my pm and lets maybe add something else to it :)

red3d
12-19-2003, 04:03 PM
ill vote for the --- Model a specific environment --

Delarosa
12-19-2003, 04:28 PM
bring back the old guys!

we need more nostalgia games!

Renderman_XSI
12-19-2003, 05:37 PM
tough choices, either model a specific level or final boss.

but i pick final boss! and its ahead so far :D

CGmonkey
12-19-2003, 11:01 PM
I voted on the first choice.. ;)

SidewinderX143
12-20-2003, 05:19 AM
I said specific level, as that was the only non-chracter coice there.... :)

NeoNautica
12-20-2003, 06:05 AM
Maybe each could have a character or environment choice...

#1 could have the den of a non-human creature or something similar.
#2 The final boss arena/area
#3 A part of a old school level/environment recreated in 3D

but then judging would need to have certain criteria to make it even between the characters and environments.

Renderman_XSI
12-20-2003, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by NeoNautica
Maybe each could have a character or environment choice...

#1 could have the den of a non-human creature or something similar.
#2 The final boss arena/area
#3 A part of a old school level/environment recreated in 3D

but then judging would need to have certain criteria to make it even between the characters and environments.

I kind of like that idea, but i would think to keep it "design a final boss". IMHO, it might work better for most people and take less time to do than a more arena. BUT, it would stop anyone who has finish with there final boss character from creating a arena/level to go with that character. It might even give you a edge in the contest?

Personally im gonna work on the final boss and design a stage to place him in also :D

Erotic Fetus
12-20-2003, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by NeoNautica

#3 A part of a old school level/environment recreated in 3D


You see, this thing if done right would make me cream my panteloons.
Level 1 of Super Mario Bros, done in 3d?
Or The Land of Hyrule, from the first Legend of Zelda from NES?

that is awesomeness ++

Dunbar
12-20-2003, 11:03 AM
Im for the Boss, most creative freedom out of it! :)
cheers

Dargon
12-20-2003, 03:34 PM
I don't care what wins, as long as it's not model a character that already existed. I'm going in to have more fodder for my portfolio, and modeling someone else's work is useless for that.

Personally, I think the final end boss bit could yeild the most interesting results. Think back to some other games for examples:

- Some sort of giant mechanical beast from Contra...

- Sepharoth from FF7...

- The Metal Gear from, Metal Gear...

- Cervantes from Soul Blade...

- the Ragnarok mech from Mechwarrior...

- Massive hynotic contempory music playing robot machine from Jet Set Radio future...

- The queen Metroid from Metroid...

You could really go all out, and even create a beast that was the environment you are in!

We could create a poly limit with a bit of give based on how much of the screen the character fills... less for Sepharoth, more for queen Metroid...

Dunbar
12-20-2003, 04:00 PM
Sounds perfect'O'...
What poly limits will there big and or Texture size limits....must be!! For the sake of that is game art!!! RELEASE THE LIMITS!!!

Renderman_XSI
12-20-2003, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by Dunbar
Sounds perfect'O'...
What poly limits will there big and or Texture size limits....must be!! For the sake of that is game art!!! RELEASE THE LIMITS!!!

I think whatever wins, we are going to discuss the limits,rules/regulation and just to make everyone happy. And go from there(start the contest).


Personally i strongly hope the "boss" wins, why? because its more tangable and fusable to do for anyone. Might even have time to skin it and rig the character also.

And the boss can be from any genre any game, any time period for that matter. Just think someone might even do the final boss for Zelda for the GameCube, cell shading:) no need to texture that much either.

looks like old school gaming, and final boss is neck and neck. Well we got until the end of this month. Heres hoping :D

P.S> I hope we get ALOT of contestant!!

keeping my fingers cross.

Buck
12-20-2003, 08:18 PM
I voted for the gameboss-idea. Sounds like fun to me =)

seantree
12-21-2003, 12:39 AM
well, the retro stuff almost sucked me in, but i went for Final Boss. I was thinking though, isn't " for your ideal game" kind of vague? should we have a set genre for the final boss?

CGmonkey
12-21-2003, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by seantree
well, the retro stuff almost sucked me in, but i went for Final Boss. I was thinking though, isn't " for your ideal game" kind of vague? should we have a set genre for the final boss?

Yeah we'll probably do that :)

twindragon
12-21-2003, 04:48 AM
I voted for the pre 1990 character...it was a toss up between that or the end boss.

Renderman_XSI
12-21-2003, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by seantree
well, the retro stuff almost sucked me in, but i went for Final Boss. I was thinking though, isn't " for your ideal game" kind of vague? should we have a set genre for the final boss?

IMHO, setting a specific genre would be a bad idea, because if genre end up being, say FPS. And "assuming" many people dont agree on that idea..in the end you'll get less contestant.

Now if you keep genre open, after all it says "your ideal game"(everyone has a favorite game genre they play more than others) you'll get more people entering the contest,cuz its not restricted to a specific genre.

It had be different if it said "create the final boss for your ideal RPG game" you get the point. I just want to keep the door open for more people to join this contest. restricting genre would only close doors.

thats just my opinion on the matter..and no one else. wow, old school gaming is beating final boss by 2 votes!

best regard,

Renderman_XSI

bentllama
12-21-2003, 11:35 AM
i voted for 1990...

but I really think it should be up to the artist to redesign him/her/it...make them functional for the year 2000's
...then it really is an artists interpretation and an updated homage to a classic character...

I have one character in mind... hoo boy... :)

Dunbar
12-21-2003, 01:59 PM
If boss does win we should keep the genre open-ended...
or
if the pre-1990 char. wins, as if you were hired to redesgin for a present day makeover on a classic game char. to be released in todays market arena.

-cheers

innervision961
12-21-2003, 04:19 PM
Oh man, so many great choices. Hehe, It may be a bias decision but i think i'll vote for my suggestion, old school baby!

Razorwolf
12-21-2003, 04:34 PM
I voted for: Model a specific environment (like an industrial wasteland, or a funhouse for example) 14 16.09%

Cause i'm practising environments now.

seantree
12-21-2003, 06:31 PM
no problem on the open ended genre for the boss character. Just thought it may be easier to judge if it were more controlled. I'm down for whatever though.

CameronC
12-21-2003, 09:42 PM
i voted pre 1990 character. That one seems more challenging. Model a final boss seems like it could be a bit to open and easy.

twindragon
12-22-2003, 03:00 AM
I have a few pre 1990 character in my mind as well but I am not sure how I would enhance some of them for the 2000s...when will we know what the final vote is...or should I show what ideas for old school characters I have in mind right now?

Razorwolf
12-22-2003, 10:47 AM
I'd have to contact some oldies for ideas then, I was 2 years old in 1990..

TRyanD
12-22-2003, 12:00 PM
Old school!!!

It would be really cool to see what some of you talented guys can do with some of the really old crappy 2d pixel chars we all grew up with :P

I have a few in mind i would like to do.

I call pong!!!

Razorwolf
12-22-2003, 12:38 PM
Hmm some old games come up in my mind..
anyone knows the title of this game:

Airhockey on a mac, in some casino style with lots of weird opponents

?

CGmonkey
12-22-2003, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by twindragon
I have a few pre 1990 character in my mind as well but I am not sure how I would enhance some of them for the 2000s...when will we know what the final vote is...or should I show what ideas for old school characters I have in mind right now?

The final vote will be on January 1st. You could show some pre-1990 character right now if ya want..

I know I will be doing my all-time favorite hero (by my all-time favorite game-company) Commander Keen by Id!

Dunbar
12-22-2003, 04:48 PM
What do you mean by..Hasnt been done before...??
Are you talking about an industry char remade..or a trendy char everyone does?? What is used to decide this???
-cheers

DaemonMagus
12-22-2003, 05:28 PM
I'm assuming by hasn't been done before, it hasn't been made into a fully 3d character by a developer before. So things like mario and pacman can't be done. This might be a little difficult for me because I didn't grow up on these characters. I grew up on things like Sonic and Crash Bandicoot, all the post 80s guys.

Dunbar
12-22-2003, 05:35 PM
So its 8-bit bites back! char.s only then, who never made it beyond the 16bit platform....;) remake......

Supervlieg
12-22-2003, 08:38 PM
I like the idea of a pre 1990 game char. I dont know which one to do, gotta do some research, but it sounds like a really cool idea!

Renderman_XSI
12-22-2003, 09:14 PM
Looks like 1990 character is winning. Why does it have to be 1990? there were many(99.9%) 2D games on the SNES and Sega Genesis, and some of them came out late around 1995. One game that comes to mind is, Chrono Trigger by Squaresoft. Awesome game. Would be great to do the characters in 3D!!

Anyway, if 1990 wins, can we change it to include all 2D games on SNES and Genesis and any console that came before that time period? Just a thought. Anyone see anything wrong with my idea?

:D some of my best gaming experience was on the SNES.

CGmonkey
12-22-2003, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Renderman_XSI
Looks like 1990 character is winning. Why does it have to be 1990? there were many(99.9%) 2D games on the SNES and Sega Genesis, and some of them came out late around 1995. One game that comes to mind is, Chrono Trigger by Squaresoft. Awesome game. Would be great to do the characters in 3D!!

Anyway, if 1990 wins, can we change it to include all 2D games on SNES and Genesis and any console that came before that time period? Just a thought. Anyone see anything wrong with my idea?

:D some of my best gaming experience was on the SNES.

Yeah well pre-1990 is more of a "symbolic" term. I think we're gonna go with pre-3d-era :)

spm
12-22-2003, 11:14 PM
pick a character from the good old C=64 and NOBODY will argue about its similarity... if you hard core enthusiasts get the point ;)

david
12-23-2003, 12:10 AM
Can I pick the L-shaped tetris block? Thats about the only pre 90 character I played :) I'm not a big fan of characters based on old games. Their is seldom an intresting character in such a contest. Oh I know one other character, Pacman... Maybe I will pick him. Him or the diplomat unit from civ1 :p
I won't be participating, but i am looking forward to it.

twindragon
12-23-2003, 07:07 AM
I am thinking this character http://www.dei.unipd.it/~epitropo/nzs/pics/poster.jpg I loved this game in the arcade and on the nes..I just don't know how I will make him amped up...instead of making him just a round ball lol.

Dunbar
12-24-2003, 09:01 AM
So when ar ewe to find out?? :) I cant wait......I will be leaving on the 31st back into iraq for some missions, so I wont have access for two weeks...Anyway we can find out 30th?? just hoping..:)
Ive been searching the web for old nes char. pics....Any char right?? good or bad?? How about like MasterBlaster or Silkworm? The main char.s are mech.type not organic..? :)
cheers,
Merry Christmas....

treatment
12-24-2003, 08:22 PM
Anyone know of a list or webpage with 2d games? Thats ancient history for me.

twindragon
12-24-2003, 08:26 PM
you could probably find something here

http://www.vgmuseum.com/forums/index.php

CGmonkey
12-24-2003, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Dunbar
So when ar ewe to find out?? :) I cant wait......I will be leaving on the 31st back into iraq for some missions, so I wont have access for two weeks...Anyway we can find out 30th?? just hoping..:)
Ive been searching the web for old nes char. pics....Any char right?? good or bad?? How about like MasterBlaster or Silkworm? The main char.s are mech.type not organic..? :)
cheers,
Merry Christmas....

You can probably read the votes on 30th and guess which one's going to win. :)

Ey man good luck in iraq and merry christmas to you too!

innervision961
12-24-2003, 11:09 PM
I'm thinking maybe dig dug, or the river city ransom guy! :)

TRyanD
12-25-2003, 08:43 AM
Those are pretty close, maybee have 2?

For the pre 90's one i think it should be restricted to 2d games but not really restricted other wise. Alot of games that would be great to use have been ported.... like is there a mini mario 3d model anywhere? I know the 3d ones are in the games, but hes always big, not the small version.

Perhaps make a preset game theme, like a old school game gets made into a space fighter, sonic or mario would need to be remodelled for space hehe, or some other theme or themes to choose from.

Zombie mario.

twindragon
12-25-2003, 09:16 AM
Thats a neat idea..another cool competition idea I had would be to model a level from an existing 2d game...not the whole level but just a portion..or if it was an old 2d fighting game, model the level...like the bathroom level from street fighter 2 or the part of the level in golden axe where you come across the giant turtle with the houses on the shell.. I could go on ...but I think it would be real neat to see them ported to 3d.

CGmonkey
12-25-2003, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by TRyanD
Those are pretty close, maybee have 2?

For the pre 90's one i think it should be restricted to 2d games but not really restricted other wise. Alot of games that would be great to use have been ported.... like is there a mini mario 3d model anywhere? I know the 3d ones are in the games, but hes always big, not the small version.

Perhaps make a preset game theme, like a old school game gets made into a space fighter, sonic or mario would need to be remodelled for space hehe, or some other theme or themes to choose from.

Zombie mario.

Yeah.. Someone posted this idea earlier in "Lets bring back the game contests" to bring back old NES-models and make them fit for the 21th century.

But making existing ones that already been tranformed from pixels to 3d really makes it a boring contest IMO because we want to see the games that didn't make the mainstream market!

Erotic Fetus
12-25-2003, 02:04 PM
But making existing ones that already been tranformed from pixels to 3d really makes it a boring contest IMO because we want to see the games that didn't make the mainstream market!

i'll disagree on that one.
I think it'd be awesome to see a character that you've watched over the years grow, & then show your very own version of him/her in the 21st century. If it were a mainstream game, then more people would be able to relate to that character, & pick one they like.

If everyone chose a game that only 5 people have played, then i doubt it'd get as much voting.

Think about this "Link, from Legend of Zelda, remade" or "Z-pick from Super Bombomb2"

the one everyone can relate to would be a better one to go with, because i reckon people would be more passionate about making the model aswell. Most of the mainstream games have already became 3d, but still, our own version would be nicer ;)

i'm not the one doing the comp, but please take note of what i have to say.

CGmonkey
12-25-2003, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Erotic Fetus
i'll disagree on that one.
I think it'd be awesome to see a character that you've watched over the years grow, & then show your very own version of him/her in the 21st century. If it were a mainstream game, then more people would be able to relate to that character, & pick one they like.

If everyone chose a game that only 5 people have played, then i doubt it'd get as much voting.

Think about this "Link, from Legend of Zelda, remade" or "Z-pick from Super Bombomb2"

the one everyone can relate to would be a better one to go with, because i reckon people would be more passionate about making the model aswell. Most of the mainstream games have already became 3d, but still, our own version would be nicer ;)

i'm not the one doing the comp, but please take note of what i have to say.

Yeah but the option is "Bring an old-school (pre-1990) game character to 3d. (from any platform, as long as it hasn't been done before)". It's not about "relating" to the character, it's about who can make the most interesting character. :)
I know alot of mainstream games that didn't become 3d, and I know alot of INTERESTING character designs that didn't become 3d. There's alot of possibilities.

I think the thought behind "as long as it hasn't been done before" was that if you could make existing 3d characters then you could practicly copy Mario from "mario 64" or Link from "Ocarina of Time" :) I bet everyone would have made their own version of Link that would completley look different if he hadn't been converted to 3d but since link already exists many have limitation to go beyond the design and only base it on the old NES Zeldas.. You know what I mean? *phew*

Anyway.. Hmm.. We should've done a more thoroughly vote.

Dargon
12-25-2003, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by Erotic Fetus
If it were a mainstream game, then more people would be able to relate to that character, & pick one they like.


I would hope that at the end of this challenge, if it comes to voting, the votes would be based by who had done the best job modeling and texturing their character, not by who chose the most popular game.

I agree with CGMonkey, if that one wins out, I think it's essential that it's something new under the sun. We see all the time in this forum, somebody's version of something already done before. I for one want to see some new stuff.

I think seeing a bunch of retro designs will be cool too.

Renderman_XSI
12-25-2003, 07:20 PM
Here is a few old school games that come to mind, that havent been in 3D AFAIK(correct me if im wrong). Other should compile a list of there own.

Final Fight ( very fun arcade game! )
Chrono Trigger ( Chrono Cross for the PS, is not the same :P )
Act Riser
Bad Dudes ( fun arcade game )
Street of Rage
Secret of Evermore
Double Dragon
Last Ninja
Samurai Shodown
King of the Fighter (KOF) this game wont go 3D until later 2004 ;)


While compiling the list, i notice about half the games that i was interested in/played.. have been into 3D,even Pac Man!

BTW, if i had to redo Link, he would look different than what Nintendo has today ;)

bentllama
12-25-2003, 11:06 PM
I do not think kwe should be limited by what has or has not been done before...and I do not say that because my idea has been done before...AFAIK it has not... I kmerely suggest that we do not have this restriction because it could hamper people's spirits towards this FRIENDLY contest...

if someone sees link in a totally different light, then let him show it...

if someone sees sonic as a juiced up steriod hedgehog, then show it...

if someone sees mario as a greasy plumber with a tomato-stained wife-beater, then let them show it



this contest is about imagination

CGmonkey
12-26-2003, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by bentllama
I do not think kwe should be limited by what has or has not been done before...and I do not say that because my idea has been done before...AFAIK it has not... I kmerely suggest that we do not have this restriction because it could hamper people's spirits towards this FRIENDLY contest...

if someone sees link in a totally different light, then let him show it...

if someone sees sonic as a juiced up steriod hedgehog, then show it...

if someone sees mario as a greasy plumber with a tomato-stained wife-beater, then let them show it



this contest is about imagination

Hahaha damn I can't argue against that! ;)

Okey well how about this:
Bring an old pixel-character (pre 3d era) in to 3d but you're not permited to use existing 3d design.

Renderman_XSI
12-26-2003, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by CgMonkey
Hahaha damn I can't argue against that! ;)

Okey well how about this:
Bring an old pixel-character (pre 3d era) in to 3d but you're not permited to use existing 3d design.

Sounds like a good compromise to me. Should make everyone happy, and hopefully get more contestants :)

I for one would like to keep this contest run by the people, for the people ;)

Dunbar
12-26-2003, 05:15 AM
That sounds perfect'O'!!!!!!!!
Great job! Way to go!! AWESOME!!!
*trying to warm up the judges* hehe

-cheers

bentllama
12-26-2003, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by CgMonkey
Hahaha damn I can't argue against that! ;)

Okey well how about this:
Bring an old pixel-character (pre 3d era) in to 3d but you're not permited to use existing 3d design.

bingo. you took the words right outta my mouth cgmonkey.
thanks for bringing forth your thoughts to the community with this contest. we all appreciate it.

Erotic Fetus
12-26-2003, 02:00 PM
100% what i want.
i wanted to do a different take on link, not the standard green outfit with Bow. I want to do what shigeru is afraid of & take him to the world of the futurism (FF7 mixed with Perfect Dark)

MFTituS
12-26-2003, 02:26 PM
it sounds great.
thinking about take part in the contest.
what about my all time favourite character guybrush threepwood?
its not exactly in the pre 90s era - it is from 1990.
and i know, that lucas arts give him the third dimension, but it was totally shit and i want make him look more like in the first 2 pixel games.

another question is the time. when will be the deadline around?

CGmonkey
12-26-2003, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by MFTituS
another question is the time. when will be the deadline around?

The other contests got around 1 - 1 month so if the contest starts early January the deadline would be in late february I guess.

benttlama - thanks.. as long as I'm allowed to participate in the contest it's aaall good! ;)

CameronC
12-27-2003, 12:02 AM
looks like "final boss" is coming up. :(

CGmonkey
12-27-2003, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by CameronC
looks like "final boss" is coming up. :(

Yup and so be it! ;)

It's a fairly and democratic voting system. :)

CGmonkey
12-27-2003, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by CameronC
looks like "final boss" is coming up. :(

Yup and so be it! ;)

It's a fairly and cemocratic voting system. :)

DreiGrasheir
12-27-2003, 02:57 AM
when does the poll end, cgmonkey?

CGmonkey
12-27-2003, 03:59 AM
Originally posted by DreiGrasheir
when does the poll end, cgmonkey?

The final vote will be on January 1st.

Dunbar
12-29-2003, 05:35 AM
Does is have to be a man char.? Or can it be bady guys/ creature char from the games??? I was thinking of doing the classic IMP from final fantasy One?????? Judges?????

Neil
12-29-2003, 01:32 PM
Well it looks like the 'boss' or 'old skool character' are going to win...
so it looks like we're just gonna be more biped characters out of this challenge. :(

Yes, there is the possibility of people doing non-characters, but there are still going to be a lot more "human" characters, than anything else. :/

Supervlieg
12-29-2003, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Neil
Well it looks like the 'boss' or 'old skool character' are going to win...
so it looks like we're just gonna be more biped characters out of this challenge. :(

Yes, there is the possibility of people doing non-characters, but there are still going to be a lot more "human" characters, than anything else. :/

So I guess when picking a character for these subject you can do it according to your personal taste, which is a good thing in my opinion. I can think of a lot of non-bipedal end-bosses or old skool characters. Not that I'm planning to do a non bi-pedal, but this is entirely up to me. The voters have (or will have) spoken!

Renderman_XSI
12-29-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by Dunbar
Does is have to be a man char.? Or can it be bady guys/ creature char from the games??? I was thinking of doing the classic IMP from final fantasy One?????? Judges?????

It does say "game character" ;) nothing about last boss,main character. So i guess its open to your taste which character you use.

Personally i'd probably redo Link in a different light, more RPGish than Action Adventage. And Princess Zelda would be a skill warrior fighting among side with Link.

Dunbar
12-30-2003, 07:20 PM
Hmm well the two are tied in votes now..:) Im leaving now for two weeks, so Ill go ahead and just do both! :) ha! I guess...Well that was crazy, Classic remake was winning pretty good, no they are tied! :) ether way I'll come back with something to show..:)
Takecare,

CGmonkey
01-01-2004, 04:51 AM
So, it has been chosen then..

'Bring back and old-school character to 3d' won over 'Model the final end boss for your ideal game' with 2 votes.

So the theme for the gameart competition #5 is to bring an old-school character to 3d.

Slightly change of rules (I think it's to everybodys favour). You're allowed to bring ANY old-school character ( pre-3d-era ) to 3d as long as the design hasn't been done before.

This'll be interesting!

bentllama
01-01-2004, 05:16 AM
great!

cgmonkey, if you start a thread as an official announcement, I will make it sticky and try to drum up more exposure throughout the rest of the community.

games kick @55!

Renderman_XSI
01-01-2004, 11:57 AM
OK sounds good. whats the polygon budget in case someone is doing a humanoid character? and texture budget?

normaling mapping is allowed i think:)

CGmonkey
01-01-2004, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by bentllama
great!

cgmonkey, if you start a thread as an official announcement, I will make it sticky and try to drum up more exposure throughout the rest of the community.

games kick @55!

The official guidelines?

bentllama
01-02-2004, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by CgMonkey
The official guidelines?

correct.

CGmonkey
01-02-2004, 04:20 AM
sir yes sir.

oh btw.. bentllama can you close the poll?

Runefall
01-02-2004, 06:54 PM
How much liberty can we take when redesigning characters? I'd like to do Kid Icarus for the competition, but I want to do a Tech'ed up version. Is this allowable? Thanks in advance.

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