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RobertoOrtiz
12-18-2003, 03:31 PM
World's First Running Humanoid Robot


Tokyo Japan, December 18th, 2003 - Sony Corporation today announced the development of dramatically enhanced motion of Sony's humanoid robot, enabling integrated motion control for walking, jumping and running. By applying this technology to QRIO, which is one of Sony's technology platforms, Sony has successfully created the world's first* running humanoid robot.
(* As of Dec. 18th, 2003, based on Sony's investigation, as an autonomous robot with internalized control system and power supply system)
>>Press Release link<< (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200312/03-060E/)

>>Images and movies<< (http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/1218/sony.htm)

>>Slideshow<< (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/031218/photos_tc/mdf430513)

-R

PhilOsirus
12-18-2003, 04:59 PM
That was GREAT! I love the last dancing video:) Why is it that every time I saw documentaries on today's robots made by western companies they always look like 1980s ShortCircuit?

I wish I was some sore of super-machine-making-dude in Japan, I'd make mechas, only mechas!

inglis
12-18-2003, 05:00 PM
nifty.

just have to wait a few years till it has a Kristanna Loken shell....

Mooncalf
12-18-2003, 05:40 PM
I don't want to be a downer, or a nay-sayer, or a curmudgeon, or a luddite or anything... but I'm curious:

Why is it important that we get robots to walk?

As I was watching the video of this robot running, it seemed to me that it could have travelled more efficiently and speedier were it on wheels.

And then I thought this: as humans, we don't seem to place that high of a value on walking. As soon as we could, we invented chariots and carriages, and bicycles and cars, and skateboards and rollerblades-- we love rolling around, and we far prefer it to walking. Is it only because it requires less energy from us, or is it because wheels work better than legs?

This is a serious question for y'all. What are the benefits of having a robot that can walk like a human?

Tthe only possible benefits I can see are medical--research into how the body propels itself, new ideas in prosthetics, etc. But I just can't imagine a future, even a distant future, with robots walking among us. I think they'll be rolling from one place to the next, whether it's way across town, or just across the kitchen.

Any thoughts? :)


- M

Clanger
12-18-2003, 05:40 PM
I want one, you could make it look like the robot in "Buck rodgers in the 25th centry" make it say "biggerly biggerly" then kick it in the head!

gruvsyco
12-18-2003, 05:40 PM
that is way beyond cool.

gruvsyco
12-18-2003, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by Mooncalf
Why is it important that we get robots to walk?

off the top of my head, the ability to climb. show me a robot with wheels that can climb stairs. then vary the stair spacing and depth...

humans don't seem to place any value on any of the magical wonders of their being. take for example the opposable thumb. it's what seperates us from most animals. it gives us the ability to to hold stuff.

FatAssasin
12-18-2003, 05:52 PM
Ahhh, he's so cute.

About why we need to make walking robots... 1) It's a challenge, and 2) It's still the best way to get around. The reason we invented wheel based travel is because it's faster in certain situations. But you'll notice we also had to build roads to make the wheel travel really feasable. Bipedal motion is a more "all purpose" method of propulsion. Try rolling up a flight of stairs some time.

Goon
12-18-2003, 05:57 PM
the worlds first stomping robot. that thing doesnt actually run. It always has one foot on the ground.

But i gotta say the dancing was pretty cool.

MCronin
12-18-2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Mooncalf
This is a serious question for y'all. What are the benefits of having a robot that can walk like a human?

Tthe only possible benefits I can see are medical--research into how the body propels itself, new ideas in prosthetics, etc. But I just can't imagine a future, even a distant future, with robots walking among us. I think they'll be rolling from one place to the next, whether it's way across town, or just across the kitchen.

Any thoughts? :)

First and foremost, walking is just a difficult problem to solve in robotics, which is why it's especially impressive to see one run freely. It's been kind of a holy grail in robotics. Secondly it humanizes robots. I'm sure if they've done a psychological study they probably found people respond much more positively to bipedal robots. I know if I had the choice, I'd take a bipedal humanoid robot over a rolling trashcan purely for asthetic reasons. Lastly most current household's and workplaces are probably better suited to bipedal robots.

I think in the future well be seeing a lot of both.

PhilOsirus
12-18-2003, 05:59 PM
Why is it important that we get robots to walk?

Also because it gives us more knowledge to develop any other sort of mechanical system. For exemple Nasa's spaceshuttle has a long arm. Hence the more movements it can do the more efficient it becomes. And it also becomes a cheap alternative since you don't have to build 100 different parts, mount them, remove them etc. You just make simple tools the "hand/arm" can use instead.

Also it would be possible to produce artificial legs that are controlled mostly by a computer based on the data it receives. For exemple someone with such artificial legs could walk on sand the and computer would make the leg's movements adapt to the surface. So it is very important since any difficult challenge will bring us a lot in the end.

KidderD
12-18-2003, 06:04 PM
oh noooo.... is this the beginning of the end for "boy bands" ... ?

Remi
12-18-2003, 06:05 PM
Can anyone say space exploration....

And has anyone here seen the matrix:)

Dennik
12-18-2003, 06:53 PM
Seeing those videos got me thinking how far behind are we still in robotics technology. If i was Sony, i wouldn't be proud showing this to the public. The run seemed like a mechanical repetition of a sequence of motions (well of course since its a robot). I think the best thing would be for them to hire an animator to create the key poses and timing for the walk, and have an internal gyroscope mechanism to adjust the poses for better ballance. That could give it some character at least.
Anyway, i don't think i'll be impressed unless i see a robot balancing a stick on its nose, having all servomechanisms from head to toe collaborating & shifting weight continously. Now that would be something worth seeing! :D

bluemagicuk
12-18-2003, 08:02 PM
Awesome to see the range of movement that they have. This is incredible.
Imagine this thing hooked up to mocap live and direct.

Could be used for dangerous situations ... could be used in battle
if the range of movement extended to the robot being able to
right itself if it fell over which I am sure would no be difficult.

.. o .. m .. g

quid
12-18-2003, 08:27 PM
I want one that walks around lighting stuff on fire.

CaptRuss
12-18-2003, 08:28 PM
Alllow me to be the first to welcome our new robot overlords.


^_^

mattregnier
12-18-2003, 08:36 PM
No joke It still just seems like we are so far behind where we really need to be. I mean back in the 80's back to the future said by like 2010 we'd all be wearing our flashy clothes flying around in hovercars. Bugs bunny cartoons of the 50's said in 2000 we'd have buck rogers space guns, and hovercrafts...what gives? Why is it that some technoligies such as medicine and industry we can make leaps and bounds technologically in the past 50 years, but in the advancement of cyborg/robot technology we haven't really done much anything new in the past 20-30 yrs?

I want my hovercar before i die :)

bluemagicuk
12-18-2003, 08:44 PM
I dont really think I could reliably depend on bugs bunny as
a suitable and stable reference for future technological
developments he always seems to have his head in
the ground (pun intended) .:thumbsup:

But yeah I know what you mean you just assume things will
develop faster .. I personally am still waiting for my own
personal jet pack .. I mean what happened to that eh?

Still when you think about the mechanics of it and what that
thing (robot) is capable of, it is really quite astounding.

quid
12-18-2003, 08:50 PM
did you see the video of it "running"? it looks like that dance that pee wee herman does in his big adventure
http://www.tvdance.com/peewee/

heavyness
12-18-2003, 10:16 PM
very exciting stuff.

imagine one of those running you down in the parking lot?


"YOU FORGOT YOUR RECITE!"

i would turn around and see this crazed robot running me down, then i would run away myself. then the robot would be like..

"HUMANS HATE ME, I HAVE NO FEELINGS..."



then the robot would run into oncoming traffic. it's a terrible cycle we can't afford to get in.


....sorry, to much pepsi today

bluemagicuk
12-18-2003, 10:18 PM
lol:wip:

pogonip
12-18-2003, 11:11 PM
Soon they will be smart enough to fallow simple orders ..then they will be allowed to clear mind field...then they will be given weapons to fight battles ...then they will be given the ability to fallow complex orders and make desicions...then they will KIll ALL THE HUMANS ... "give up your flash " ... personally I think that batle between the robots and the humans in the Animatrix ( or terminator ) is not that unthinkable ...

fattdex
12-18-2003, 11:41 PM
*hands pogonip a tinfoil hat*

as if not teach them to do the robot dance for gods sake :-P

FloydBishop
12-19-2003, 12:14 AM
BEE-DEE BEE-DEE BEE-DEE

COOL!!

http://web.media.mit.edu/~ryantxu/mas863/buckle/twink.jpg

allseeingi
12-19-2003, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by mattregnier
Why is it that some technoligies such as medicine and industry we can make leaps and bounds technologically in the past 50 years, but in the advancement of cyborg/robot technology we haven't really done much anything new in the past 20-30 yrs?

I think the main reason is that the Cold War ended (which prompted a lot of technical breakthrough's) whereas the battle against illness and people's aptitude to make lots of money hasn't.

- allseeingi

Pate
12-19-2003, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by mattregnier
Why is it that some technoligies such as medicine and industry we can make leaps and bounds technologically in the past 50 years, but in the advancement of cyborg/robot technology we haven't really done much anything new in the past 20-30 yrs?


That's simple... It's just a question of supply and demand. There is not a big demand for cyborg/robot technology, so there is no supply either.

That's capitalism for you.. Unless people are willing to pay for something, nobody bothers to make it.


I want my hovercar before i die :)

So, what are you waiting for? For the small price of 1 million dollars you can purchase your own skycar today!

http://www.moller.com/skycar/

Pate

Array
12-19-2003, 07:05 AM
WOW!!! That is the most amazing thing I have EVER seen!!

Imagine, if CG hadnt proliferated like it has, these things would be all the rage in the animatronic field.

Emery
12-19-2003, 07:57 AM
Wow I just spent an hour reading about that moller car. Ive seen this guy on the discovery channel. How awsome would that be?

Its actually priced pretty well considering its a FLYING CAR!! And it seems like its a pretty well designed and thought out car/plane? It would only cost a few bucks more to fill her up than it would a normal SUV. And you dont even need a pilots license to fly it. Only two controls in the cockpit? wow. Cool stuff!

-Emery

Solesurvivor
12-19-2003, 08:21 AM
next thing you know is they start modelling for us:surprised

this was truly amazing

hardimage
12-19-2003, 09:19 AM
a humanoid like robot is much more flexible... (stairs, terrain, etc.)

thats why, of course, no wheels.

slaughters
12-19-2003, 01:33 PM
Yep, If they got one to be flexable enough, then think about remote controlled robot fire fighters. Sent into dangerous fire situations without having to risk human lives.

quid
12-19-2003, 01:53 PM
Yes you have to hand it to Sony, it is truly amazing. I find the dances with the fans incredible as well. Do you think that they used mocap data to do that?

PhilOsirus
12-19-2003, 02:26 PM
I don't think they use mocap for that, just programmed it. Mocap would have been a waste of time I think and they might do moves the Robots can't. (see I capitalize Robot now)

bluemagicuk
12-19-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Phil "Osirus"
I don't think they use mocap for that, just programmed it. Mocap would have been a waste of time I think and they might do moves the Robots can't. (see I capitalize Robot now)

Oh no i didnt mean they used mocap m8 .. I said
Imagine this thing hooked up to mocap live and direct
Its def pre programed but the point is, it is possible to
mocap robotic movement and man that would be cool with this thing.
Just imagine running around and moving your body with direct
feedback to a robot with a bit more range of movement than this one.
Not only would it be usefull but damm entertaining.

Nemoid
12-19-2003, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Floyd Bishop
BEE-DEE BEE-DEE BEE-DEE

COOL!!

http://web.media.mit.edu/~ryantxu/mas863/buckle/twink.jpg

LOL! this is a robot!

about running robot : its quite scaring. in few years we'll have a human replica so I agree. they'll kill us!!!:eek:
of course I'll try to become some sort of cyborg before that happens so that my fight with machines will start.

for now I keep on fighting with my home PC

Supervlieg
12-19-2003, 04:32 PM
Cool stuff, I like the movie in which they dance. I only wished they made them battle eachother. They will eventually offcourse.

FloydBishop
12-19-2003, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by supervlieg
Cool stuff, I like the movie in which they dance. I only wished they made them battle eachother. They will eventually offcourse.

How about the Sony Qrio (pronounced "Curio")

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/QRIO/img/qrio1.jpg

Vs. The Honda Human (AKA: Asimo)


http://world.honda.com/ASIMO/technology/image/top/img_01.jpg

WesComan
12-19-2003, 05:25 PM
Wow!

Fantastic stuff...


...and all you guys learning character animation look at how the hips move...even robots need to shift their weight side to side :)

jmcalpin
12-19-2003, 06:11 PM
Us animators probably had a head start since we knew it all begins in the hips.

If they make this a toy that they are selling to compete with little asimo I'd buy it... well if I didn't upgrade my computer for a year... it will probably be expensive as that cat they had.

I like the one of him throwing the ball as well as teh dance. All they need is more powerful motors and that thing could really move. Someone will come up with a better motor then we'll really see it run and jump and throw.

I remember reading that japan has a man power problem of some kind so they decided it was more important to focus on robotics to fill in the roles they need. (someone from japan could enlighten us more) here in the US it is a toy for colleges and of some use in the obsure nich of space exploration so you can see it's really unimportant in the us for walking machine.... besides lawnmowers with a chain saw blade do more damage in arena combat.



could you imagine that... a bunch of those little guys going at each other... would be fun and sad to watch at the same time.

As for Robots taking over the world... by the time we have robots intellegent enough to decide they don't like the status quo there will already be millions of cyborg humans with whole parts of their anatomy replaced by machines. I think it will be less of robots taking over than of us becoming more machine.

Most of that sci fi robot taking over the world stuff assumes that some super computer will suddenly appear in the current environment and run all over us. The reality is that by the time we figure it out it won't be given a body to run amoke in until we can tame it and predict it's behavior. So I don't worry too much about it.

Jay

jmcalpin
12-19-2003, 06:18 PM
Did some more exploring on that site and found an english page.

This bot is for sale. Check out the english version of the site and it's technology. it is scary

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/QRIO/top_nf.html

I want one... :cry:

Some other videos:
fall recovery
http://cds301.bit-drive.ne.jp/shp/02-27-QR103/

switch to flash and check oout the story part. it have movies of the other things this can do.

Very cool. Now what is the price tag on this guy... gulp

Jay

quid
12-19-2003, 08:05 PM
Last time I checked, this was before the running enhancement, it cost around $60,000, but if they put it into production like they did with the Aibo it would drop to under $10,000... something like that is what I remember reading 3 months ago.

You know the problem, I think, with that thing running is that its feet has no articulation—there is no heal to toe roll in them so it runs they way we would if were wearing ski boots or something. I don’t think it’s a motor problem.

colkai
12-19-2003, 08:18 PM
Okay,
For a while there I was *convinced* this was a fake, just a composited animation.
I mean - since when have we had robotics *that* good?

Awesome, just awesome. First words out of my wifes mouth, "perfect for space exploration". Good grief, makes the I-Robot teaser a little more relevant no?

FatAssasin
12-19-2003, 08:29 PM
From the Sony site:
An entertainment robot that lives with you, makes life fun, makes you happy
QRIO is eager to be friends with people.
And QRIO can communicate with people based on its own judgments, expressing its feelings through movements, conversation, and the use of its lights.

Why do we need robots with feelings? Sounds like they're trying to create companions more than just workers. Are people really that lonely?

jmcalpin
12-19-2003, 08:40 PM
I think you're right. the ankle would need the strength to be able to do a heel to toe roll.

The reason I said the articulator strength is that when it jumped it got, what, half and inch up, an inch.

I wonder if it is more a matter of the programmers playing it safe than a design limitation. It could be something as simple as the best motion without wearing out the motors in a sprint off the table.

That could be another factor. It's reaction time would need to be fast enough for it to stop itself if it was coming on an obsticle too fast.

60, well I better win the lotto then... oh well.

thanks for the info.

jay

Spankspeople
12-19-2003, 08:49 PM
Why... Why was I programmed to feel pain?

jmcalpin
12-19-2003, 08:49 PM
I guess there must people people that like a companion that they can play with and put away when they don't want to see em. Plus no messy clean up... well unless the dog eat him or the kids go at him with a tonka truck.

IT's a toy that is ment to entertain people. If you want people to realy enjoy it it better do something thing more than walk around. A personality is essential.

Jay

FatAssasin
12-19-2003, 09:05 PM
And when your child dies prematurely, you can get QRIO 5000 to replace him.

A.I. (the movie) here we come.

I gaurentee you many people in the porn industry are keeping a close eye on this "artificial people" technology. God bless 'em. They're always the ones to really push the technological limits of "entertainment".

gruvsyco
12-19-2003, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by FatAssasin
Are people really that lonely?


Yes :(

goertzen_frank
12-21-2003, 01:33 AM
As soon as I see a report with the where abouts of everyone under 3 feet tall when this video was shot i'll believe it's just a robot....jk...this is really amazing but I was secretly hoping one of them would trip or something ... you know take those dancing robots down a notch or too, they think they're so mighty with there fans!

Maximus Groff
03-30-2004, 08:02 PM
Ok dudes, here is my $.05..

wouldnt be amazing if we can buy motherboards and processors
for this babies ? all plugin in the chest...

Today, i want a robot who can :

1) Take notes for me...
2) Know where objects are....

hope the programming is NOT open software, or next thing u
know we robots behaving strangely...

can somebody find the 3 rules of asimov?


;)-

cyph1211
04-07-2004, 09:10 AM
WHAT!!! :scream: no windmills or headspins....
..how primitive.:wise:

danniesanchez
04-08-2004, 01:33 PM
ok, i understand the reason for climbing uneven ground, but why should it walk on 2 legs only, and not on 4 limbs like say a gorilla.
wouldn't it be a quicker and more stable robot? less likely to fall

:wavey:

it would still climb stairs, give it 2 extra arms for holding stuff. this needn't be a human. heh

maybe give it fur... so i could pet him and kiss him and call him george... then one day.... George, why did you rip off one of your arms? Why are you looking at me like that? Hey! get away from me... get AWAY FROM ME!, GEORGE NOO!!! NO, Goerge NO!!!!! I LOVEd YOU!!!!

>silence<

101010101101101101011011101010101!

percydaman
04-08-2004, 03:02 PM
why make a robot that can walk? Why do we recreate an image in our 3d packages instead of just taking a photograph, which my wife is fond of saying? So we can say we did.

Valkyrien
04-09-2004, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by Remi
Can anyone say space exploration....

And has anyone here seen the matrix:)


What is the matrix?:shrug:














*crickets chirping*

Graywer #RELOAD
04-13-2004, 10:31 PM
WHAT!!! no windmills or headspins....
..how primitive.
Heh...jes' wait 'til you can buy them things upgrades! Can ya'll say..."I know Kung Fu...!" Argh, so many Matrix references...

If I ever see an "entertainment robot" do crickets better than me...I'd...I'd...Ah...! :surprised I'd probably go nuts like Frank "Grimey" Grimes.

StephanD
04-14-2004, 12:09 PM
I always loved robots,I grew only with the hope to see one walk.

Now let,s just hope the Japanese don't have any military plans for them.

Why not instead,improve rescue vehicles,too often you see Firemen helpless in front of floods and some of them even die trying to save people.Amphibian-bots would do the thing.

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