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Self-Designer
12-17-2003, 08:48 PM
Now it's here! no rumors, no alpha versions, the real thing.
I know you think what's the connection to CG... well, i hear music while CGing ;)

http://www.winamp.com/

Cod
12-17-2003, 09:05 PM
I'm still using 2.xx

aurora
12-17-2003, 09:39 PM
OK, what happen to Winamp4? I at the site there last week and they were still advertising Winamp3. Either way thanks for the heads up I'm dl'ing right now.

azazel
12-17-2003, 09:48 PM
I prefer Foobar: http://www.foobar2000.org/ , stopped using winamp even before version 3.

Fasty
12-17-2003, 10:10 PM
Yeah what happened to 4??

Goon
12-17-2003, 10:34 PM
5= 2+3, ie. its the best of both, not an incremental version

Lemurtek
12-17-2003, 10:35 PM
Apparently this new version is a sort of blend of all the good features of Winamp 2 and Winamp 3, hence the new math version # 5.

t-toe
12-17-2003, 11:51 PM
it's iTunes all the way for me... I'm lovin' it.

Kabab
12-18-2003, 12:40 AM
winamp tv is fantastic...

Lunatique
12-18-2003, 02:14 AM
Yeah, itunes for me too. Ever since I discovered itunes, I only play .ogg files on my winamp.

Unless the new winamp can sort songs by artist, albums, genre, normalize volumes, rate your songs, create automatic playlists..etc, I'll stick with itunes.

On a side note, MS Media player does pretty much the same stuff that itunes does, except it's slower and clunkier. Realone kinda of does the same things, but it doesn't have volume nomalizing(automatically adjust the volumes of all songs to be the same).

Kabab
12-18-2003, 02:15 AM
Just give it a chance i think you will be suprised.

dvornik
12-18-2003, 02:56 AM
What's new in it?

It still works with Streamripper (http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/) for Winamp 2 BTW.

BiTMAP
12-18-2003, 05:08 AM
hey this isn't too bad i'll try it running with some games.

kinetixdigital
12-18-2003, 11:31 AM
iTunes can't be beat :thumbsup: i never did like the video feature in winamp... and the media library was pain to use. iTunes is simple and does everything for free...

heavyness
12-18-2003, 03:42 PM
"Unless the new winamp can sort songs by artist, albums, genre, normalize volumes, rate your songs, create automatic playlists..etc, I'll stick with itunes."

its called the Library. lets you load/edit your playlists, arrange by ID3 tags, and more. i'm still using 2.91 and it had a lot of features found in 5. i know it it can scan your hardrive for all your media files and keep them up to date if you like that kind of stuff.

i like winamp because its takes up little resources, very small on the screen, and easy keyboard shortcuts.

hsky
12-19-2003, 01:21 AM
wow,:bounce:

kwshipman
12-19-2003, 01:59 AM
I have been testing it out and kind of like it. Especially the opasity set 20% with the "opaque on hover" mode on and Always ontop. I also like how when you hit pause, stop or play it give a short fade in or out instead of a sudden jolt.

The playlists are easy to use and setup. I had just givenup on Musicmatch to switch to itunes, but now I think that I'll be sticking with Winamp. :thumbsup:

Geta-Ve
12-19-2003, 02:21 AM
wheres the awesome search feature that was in winamp 3?? i miss that with a vegence!.. lol it was so bloody useful!

if its here than i certainly cant find it

anyone else?

Lunatique
12-19-2003, 02:52 AM
I tried it, and itunes does all the same things, but with simpler UI that's not so cluttered. Also, winamp5 doesn't seem to have volume normalizing function?

dvornik
12-19-2003, 03:52 AM
One thing I can't figure out how to do in any player is how to see the size of playlists in megabytes before burning them to a CD or copying to an mp3 player... I'm really struggling organising mp3s in any logical way genarally.

What's strange about itunes (on windows that is) is that it lists all sorts of files as ""mpeg audio". So all the porn videos are listed together with all the mp3s. It tries to play them, too. Weird.

kwshipman
12-19-2003, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by Lunatique
I tried it, and itunes does all the same things, but with simpler UI that's not so cluttered. Also, winamp5 doesn't seem to have volume normalizing function?

well I found an answer to one of you problems, normalization plug-in (http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=102777) . The UI does take some getting used to thats for sure, but that is why there are so many different choices for players out there, there is something for everyone.

Kabab
12-19-2003, 06:48 AM
I like winamp tv family guy and futurama 24x7.

schmu_20mol
12-19-2003, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by Kabab
I like winamp tv family guy and futurama 24x7.

where can the 24/7 futurama channel be found?

mnm|cg
12-19-2003, 11:12 AM
I really liked #5. I used to use Winamp 2 cause 3 was a bit slow.
5 is nice.

pervert
12-19-2003, 11:46 AM
i prefer itunes...

btw new winamp... this grey blue gui is so os x like...

betelgeuse
12-19-2003, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Lunatique
........I only play .ogg files on my winamp.

Adding this (http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtcomponents/) quicktime component should allow you to play ogg files with iTunes. Haven't tried it myself, though.

SnowKrash
12-19-2003, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by Geta-Ve
wheres the awesome search feature that was in winamp 3?? i miss that with a vegence!.. lol it was so bloody useful!

Do you mean title search? Hit F3 :)

I heard this was in 2 and not in 3 (at least originally) so maybe you mean something else or I'm just misinformed. It's hidden enough that I only heard about it when someone pointed it out to me.

NUKE-CG
12-19-2003, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by dvornik
What's strange about itunes (on windows that is) is that it lists all sorts of files as "mpeg audio". So all the porn videos are listed together with all the mp3s. It tries to play them, too. Weird.

Riiiiight.. you're too open.. :p

aurora
12-19-2003, 01:02 PM
Man as CG artists I'm surprised at how many people are complaining about the GUI. The nice thing about Winamp is the ease of creating your own skin for it. If you don't want to do that then there are tens of thousands of others to choose from. Theres also at least a hundred pluggins to choose from to add to the normal functionality. I will admit I'm alittle biased since I have never looked at iTunes. I was at the website for iTunes when this thread first started but never did download it.

Gamoron
12-19-2003, 02:39 PM
Glad its out. I've been a fan of winamp for a long time for the most basic reason. Of all the players I feel it has the best sound.

Cheers to Winamp 5!

edit: I hope MMD comes up with new skin!

another edit: Awesome. Internet TV is awesome! But it sucks that all the toons servers are full. More toons would be nice. Less live cam crap and porn.

Roach
12-19-2003, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Lunatique
I tried it, and itunes does all the same things, but with simpler UI that's not so cluttered. Also, winamp5 doesn't seem to have volume normalizing function?

I downloaded itune and I liked it over Media Player. I been using Itune for about a month or so, but after downloading Winamp 5...its Winamp for me. TV function is awesome. I think the look is cool, plus its customizable if you donít like it. Iím kind of getting sick of the brush metal look the itune has...its getting old.

Roach

Renzsu
12-19-2003, 07:08 PM
Oooh.. just found the J-Pop Corner channel... w00t!

Yeah I really like Winamp5.. rock steady, low resources and snappy (unlike Winamp 3... yikes)

BiTMAP
12-19-2003, 10:45 PM
is there any way to do what winamp3 did with the Alt+click to make a sub list order?

noisewar
12-20-2003, 04:18 AM
Bah, Sonique 2 will own all. <crawls off to die>

Lunatique
12-20-2003, 05:57 AM
BTW, just a week ago, I was doing some hardcore media player comparisons--it was because I have very specific needs for my media library. It has to:

1)Read all the available audio files out there.

2)Have volume equalizing feature(I hate it when a the next song is too loud or too quiet--and I'd have to manually adjust the volume--breaks my "zone" when I'm working."

3)Great search and organization features(I have over 7 thousand songs--plus 400 CD's I'm trying to encode into mp3/ogg--so I need to be able to find a song quickly).

4)Fast response. For those of you who have used Windows Media Player as a media library, you all know the pain of slow response.

5)Reliable. A crashing player means less music played.

6)Easy and intuitive UI. No needless clutter or flashy, cryptic icons/buttons. Us computer freaks already use too many softwares daily, we don't need to learn to identify more icons/buttons that's not self-explanatory.

7)Multiple language support. I listen to tons of music from different Asian countries, and I can read Chinese and Japanes, so it makes a huge difference if a player can display the correct encoding for the languages. Yes, I do care if I can read which track from which composer I'm listening to from which obscure Japanese video game soundtrack. :blush:

So, anyway, my comparison didn't include Winamp 5, since it wasn't out yet(I used Winamp 2.8 instead). So, here it is:

Amount of files recognized :

Winamp - 7445 (OGG-123 BMP-2)
Windows Media Player - 7257 (Other media-64) total=7321
Creative Playcenter - 7296
itunes -7296
RealOne - 7242 (+72 = 7314)


Best search/organization :

itunes
Windows Media Player
Creative Playcenter
RealOne
Winamp


Best advanced Features (volume match, display current track..etc)

itunes/Windows Media Player
RealOne/Winamp
Creative Playcenter


Fastest Response:

Winamp
itunes
Creative Playcenter
Windows Media Player/RealOne


Most reliable:

Winamp
itunes
RealOne
Windows Media Player
Creative Playcenter


Easiest to use:

itunes
Winamp
RealOne
Windows Media Player
Creative Playcenter


Total Scores:

itunes = 25
Winamp = 22.5
Windows Media Player = 18.5
RealOne = 14.5
Creative Playcenter = 12

kwshipman
12-20-2003, 06:23 AM
good stuff there Lunatique. Would you mind elaborating on where the points came from for the different categories and what made them loose/earn points in each. Such as how did you determine Best search/organization and Best advanced Features. that would help other that dont use these programs the same way as you.

again good stuff, this should be on a web site somewhere. :applause:

Lunatique
12-20-2003, 08:35 AM
Hmm, ok, let's see. . ..

Amount of files recognized- Winamp recognized all the audio files I threw at it, from mp3, ogg, mpeg2, other odd mpeg formats, waves, and even misnamed file extensions that shows up as bitmap files in Explorer or ACDSee--they played just fine in Winamp, but not in any of the other players. Other players just went, "Huh? WTF is this file format??"

Best search/organization- To be able to instantly search by album, artist, genre, rating, time, size..etc, and rearrange them with those instantly--in the least number of clicks, and the easiest to access and read. itunes kicked everyone's ass in a violent way.

Best advanced Features- Crossfade, volume normalizing, equalizer, enhanced sound..etc. This stuff might not be important to some people, but for me, Volume normalizing is essential. None of the players had that option except itunes. Creative Player has it, but it only works when you are playing files off of your Nomad Jukebox 3--it's not available when you play from your PC. Strangely, Windows Media Player doesn't have an option to normalize the volume, but they just automatically play at the same volume--that's why it ties with itunes in this category.

Fastest Response- Winamp was blazing fast, even when importing thousands of files(took seconds instead of 15 minutes). BUT, that was version 2.8. Since version 5 has all these fancy current functions, it's become like the other apps. In terms of reaction time of how long it takes from the time you click a button, to the function actually activating and completing, Winamp was also the fastest. But itunes was so close that it might as well be a tie.

Most reliable- Winamp almost never crashes, while others crash like a stunt car in Hollywood action movies. itunes is much stronger than the others too--but I still managed to crash it a few times. I work my media player apps really hard though--most of you might flinch when watching me handle these apps. :scream:

Easiest to use- itunes is the king of simplicity and ease. The UI is not cluttered, the buttons are easily identifiable and fast to locate. All the things you can click on are big and well spaced apart, so you never accidentally click on something you didn't itend to. Renaming and editing info is easy and fast.

I did some tests today, and as far as language recognition goes(assuming you have the necessary fonts installed), all apps are kinda bad. If I have Chinese turned on, the Japanese stuff will mess up, and vice versa. BUT, this is where Windows Media Player kicks ass--you have an option to show the actual file path in the Media Library list--so you can actually see the original file--which for some reason, shows all the foreign fonts perfectly. I think it's because showing the file path and file name doesn't require some kind of ID tag conversion.

Truth is, if I didn't care about speed and reaction time, I'd just use Windows Media Player. But, WMP is so clunky and slow--even when playing songs in shuffle mode, the jump to the next song takes forever.

Self-Designer
12-20-2003, 12:27 PM
Wow, Lunatique, that should be on of those articles in CGtalk... ;)

I have a problem with Winamp... I have 16 CDs full of MP3s, and I Made playlists for each in the media library. The problem, is that unlike "local media\audio", It doesn't order the files by Artist, Album, Track #, but by path and filename. Not talking about filtering by artist or album...

Can anyone help me with that? I want to have a fast way for choosing what CD i want to listen now, and when i choose that one, I want the ability to choose the right album, and play it in the right order - which means by track # of course.

Sutekh
12-21-2003, 03:25 AM
To be honest I stopped using winamp ages ago. I stumbled across this program and fell in love with it.

http://www.mediamonkey.com/

In the one easy to use interface I can edit song details, rip my cd's, drag and drop playlists, play by genre, artist, style etc with a minimum of clicks... and you dont need to hunt for and load playlists as they are all available as a tree view... and it's freeware to boot ... small footprint and I've never had it crash or cause problems..

Oh.. and it seems to handle all the different file types.. including ".ogg"

Richard.

BiTMAP
12-21-2003, 04:53 AM
I miss the alt-click function, it was useful

Lunatique
12-21-2003, 10:54 AM
Ok, I went ahead and tried out foobar2000 and Mediamonkey. (Can you tell that I'm obsessed with finding the perfect media library/player? It's because music is the heart and soul of the ambience/mood of my immediate surrounding. It does things to me that I can't explain. Some of my fondest memories in life are connected to music. I can still remember the time when I drove from California to Kentucky--took 3 full days--and the music I played during that trip, and how they made me feel. :blush: )

foobar2000 - Surprisingly, it recognized 7444 files from my collection! It's now the king of file recognition. (Winamp 2.8 recognized 7445, but now with version 5, it only recognized 7313. I have no idea how it can actually get worse. . ..) However, although it's fast, simple, and recognized the most files, it cannot display foreign fonts, be organized by genre, time..etc, nor does it have a ratings function, and a few of the other fancy stuff I love. So, I might or might not use it.

Mediamonkey - It hangs whenever I try to close it. In fact, I'd have to close it from the Windows Task Manager sometimes. It only recognized 7280 files from my collection--which surprised me, considering that it does .ogg just fine. I'm scratching my head as to which files it didn't recognize, and why? Other than that, it contains many of the same features as the other apps.

The latest release of itunes can recognize 7321 files from my collection now, and that means it beats Winamp 5(which only recognized 7313). This was strange to me, because itunes couldn't even recognize .ogg files--even after I installed the quicktime .ogg extension, and Winamp could.

Another discovery I made today was that I got Windows Media Player to play .ogg files, but it doesn't add them to the library for some reason. Even without .ogg files in the library, WMP has now recognized up to 7348 files from my collection. Which puts it in the #2 spot.

So my current setup is this:

I use WMP as my default library/player, and when I want to listen to my .ogg files, I just use Winamp(which now has a playlist of only the .ogg files). With this combination, I can play 7469 files from my collection--which beats even foobar2000(it recognizes 7444 files, and doesn't have advanced organization functions).

I still wonder though--how many files do I have that hasn't been recognized by any of these apps?? A quick reading from the folder properties tells me I have 8234 files, of which 685 files are .met files which only contain ID tag information. That means I have 7549 audio files total in my directory. That still leaves 80 files unrecognized. That's about 8 CD's worth of music not recognized. The so-called "Desert Island" albums are only 10 CD's, so this is unacceptable. *Dreams of the day when a media player can recognize all the files I have.*

Self-Designer
12-21-2003, 12:55 PM
Lunatique, have u thought about converting all your files to one format? I once got some files in *.mpc format, so i converted them to mp3... i've heard it's not the optimize format (u may write the way every format works, its advantages and disadvantages, i'd like to read ;) ), but hey! it's good enough to me, and everyone (programs, ppl, whatever!) knows it.

Annuostivix
01-07-2004, 01:26 AM
hmm, cool edit pro 2.0 can do a batch convert .mp3 format with full control over the rendering. It might be wortj your efforts, and it also reads numerous formats and converts... So, if you feel like it, why not I guess. It might be at http://www.syntrillium.com. It's affordable, but only if you're into music editing and funs tuff like that. otherwise, perhaps they still have a demo, and maybe it can batch convert for you.

noisewar
01-07-2004, 05:52 AM
Yo Lunatique, Sonique 2 beta is out right now, have you given that a try? It's UI is so-so, but it looks like pure eyecandy and the sound quality beats the crap outta Winamp.

Neil
01-07-2004, 02:37 PM
Ah the never ending debates about MP3 players.... i never understood.
Winamp has start/stop/forward/back/pause and shuffle. .... what else do i need?
Once your library is setup you're not supposed to go dicking with it every 50 seconds, so just stop. Set it up correctly. Then play.

If it's too difficult to add/remove albums from the Winamp playlist, then i'm really unsure how you guys get through Max/Maya/Photoshop/LW...etc.

stenosis|kill
01-07-2004, 03:15 PM
i have still winamp 1 on my computer, but i'am using 2.91 :D

arvid
01-07-2004, 05:39 PM
About playlists and searching for songs, no one mentioned the J-shortcut in the playlist of winamp 2x (i hope it's back in wmp5 cuz the search system of wmp3 sucked!)
It's real quick, I can't think of a quicker way to switch to a specific song...

heavyness
01-07-2004, 05:41 PM
i using Winamp 2.91 right now and the other computer has 5. both using an old skin that i like and i can't tell the difference between the two. 5 has a lot of new features that i don't use, then again, so does 2.91. but like Neil said, i use nothing but "play" and "stop".


i'll be sticking with Winamp for a long time [as long as they don't make another version 3...]

Gentle Fury
01-07-2004, 11:51 PM
winamp 5 is really cool.....it basically has a shoutcast browser built in and the internet tv feature is freakin awesome!!

i didnt like 3, so i stuck with 2, but 5 is def worth it!

thedaemon
01-08-2004, 01:32 AM
I am watching TV on winamp right as we speak!! very neat. I just found it out today.

colintheys
01-08-2004, 09:36 PM
This tends to make peole think I'm nuts, but I use a combination of Winamp (now v5, which I like a lot!) and Windows Media Player 6. Winamp I use for radio and sorted playlists.

For individual files of all sorts, I have saved the version of WMP included with old Windows 98 (6.0) and simply copy and paste it into a directory on each new machine. It's under a meg and will open infinite copies, all of which are really stable. It's simple interface: play, stop, pause is all I could need. But most importantly, it cleans up its ram quite well and opens instantly, while still interfacing with the newer Windows Media codecs, etc..

arvid
01-09-2004, 08:07 AM
WMP 6.4 which is the latest and best version is still included with Windows XP and can be found at C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player\mplayer2.exe

However, if you want an even better player check out "MediaPlayer Classic", it looks just like WMP 6x but it can play a heck of a lot more formats, you can resize, scale and zoom in realtime, you have a playlist and tons more....should be available on sourceforge

SnowKrash
01-11-2004, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by opacity
About playlists and searching for songs, no one mentioned the J-shortcut in the playlist of winamp 2x (i hope it's back in wmp5 cuz the search system of wmp3 sucked!)
It's real quick, I can't think of a quicker way to switch to a specific song...
Well I mentioned F3 for winamp5 in reply to someone else, but J seems to do the same thing too so you're sorted either way :).

kinetixdigital
01-12-2004, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by t-toe
it's iTunes all the way for me... I'm lovin' it.

second that. winamp 5 is an improvement over 3 but iTunes does it better. iTunes is fun to use and its easy to manage a large music collection with it. iTunes smart playlists, fast searching, music sharing, and music folder organisation are great features.

BiTMAP
01-12-2004, 11:37 PM
but what i've seen and heard of I music is that its more like kazzaa in the interface.. big like a full program, where winamp is just something that can sit on your desktop and not take up a huge portion of my screen when i open it. I've liked winamp and i still do. I've tried others.. they just are EW.

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