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levius
12-11-2003, 12:58 AM
www.3D.sk (http://www.3D.sk) CHaracter Photo References for 3D artists and Game Developers (ehm, what a long name for site :eek: )

Anounced 50% Xmas special discount for one year membership.
But whats really interesting :), when you purchuase this, you can send email to cgnetworks@3d.sk forwarding your purchuase info and stating that you are CGnetworks reader and you will recieve additional 6 months for free!!!

Check it out! (http://www.3D.sk) :bounce:


http://www.3d.sk/xmas.jpg

wgreenlee1
12-11-2003, 02:54 AM
dang....thats...thats a pretty nice eh....discount there....yep....:drool: :love:

elvis
12-11-2003, 03:01 AM
so where do i get a job taking "reference photos"?

Shaykai
12-11-2003, 03:17 AM
This guys site is hella good.
I'd highly reccomend it to anyone.

Shaykai

aesir
12-11-2003, 03:59 AM
yea I'd *cough* reccomend aneta

Ultragames
12-11-2003, 04:56 AM
HOT DAMN... err.. good references

Jamesh
12-11-2003, 05:53 AM
Aneta is a porn star.

no really!

levius
12-11-2003, 06:32 AM
Yes, I was quite suprised when I realised this :surprised
She is almost celebrity now :)

Check google for Anetta Keys :blush:

igorstshirts
12-11-2003, 06:53 AM
I was born in Bratislava... It's nice to see the slovakian peoples up on the high res reference tip.:thumbsup:

Pickman
12-11-2003, 07:13 AM
How are the updates going Levius ;-)) Received a mail two weeks ago telling me there was more to come for Xmas ! :-))
BTW guys there 's a lot more than Aneta on the site.
:p
Keep up the good work Levius.

archiea
12-11-2003, 07:21 AM
I'm just waiting for the new Sasquatch tutorial on... making landing strips!!!!

I hear now that there's a waxing tool on the way...

samartin
12-11-2003, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by Jamesh
Aneta is a porn star.

no really!

OMG !!! I'm modelling a porn star, well if I need new references then it should be easy to find :drool:

levius
12-11-2003, 07:51 AM
Pickman :
Yes I got lot of new stuff for Xmas :)

I aded

NIki african male references (http://www.3d.sk/niki/page_01.htm)

on 11/30/2003 Hi Res sample (http://3d.sk/upcoming/Niki.jpg)

and going to add Renata with polygons drawed on her body (http://3d.sk/sample_renata.jpg) (hard work, believe me ) and WWII uniforms today :)

If you are member more than 3 months or bought year membership let me know and I will send you link to secret bonus section too with additional content ;)

NUKE-CG
12-11-2003, 07:52 AM
50% Xmas Discount + Tongue stud..
Oh.. reference images..... I knew that.. yeah.. ;)

I was going to sign up a few months ago, but forgot about it :banghead:

Levius, when does this expire? Xmas time = spending money on family pressies! No-Nukie-Money for a few weeks.

phoenix
12-11-2003, 07:57 AM
wow... gr8 i would consider spending some $:thumbsup:

Sil3
12-11-2003, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by Jamesh
Aneta is a porn star.

no really!

And?...does it really make a diference?:shrug:

benfalcone
12-11-2003, 08:01 AM
i only signed up for a month, but its ridiculous how good this site is.

levius
12-11-2003, 08:14 AM
Hey! :wavey:

DONT FORGET TO SEND ME NOTE THAT YOU ARE FROM CGTALK! You will recieve additional 6 months for free

So 18 months instead of 12 for the same price! ;)


One more thing, If you are curently member of 3D.sk and would like to buy Xmas special. Just cancel your membership and buy year membership with discount (http://www.3d.sk/join.htm) ! :beer:

brunner
12-11-2003, 08:26 AM
levius, sorry for asking, but do the people that sent you pictures get at least money a beer, or something?

levius
12-11-2003, 08:37 AM
Brunner:
I am making all these photos myself :)
And yes, I pay my models and I got written agreement with everybody.

xtrm3d
12-11-2003, 08:49 AM
hi..
please check your pm..
concerning my registration last friday..
thx a lot in advance for clearing the situation :wavey:

NUKE-CG
12-11-2003, 08:54 AM
Levius, :wavey:

You didn't spot my question :)

When does this expire?

Thanks :)

levius
12-11-2003, 09:02 AM
NUKE: Ups sorry.
It will expire on 1.1 2004 officialy, but I am quite sure I will be drunk, so maybe I will leave it this way for some time :thumbsup:

:beer:

wgreenlee1
12-11-2003, 10:49 AM
a porn star....?

no it makes no differerance....but ta...
you know you just think the best of someone....then.....well...its like spotting a great looking donut in the store and .....picking it up only to find that is four days old......i guess,i dunno,you know?

KotsVlok
12-11-2003, 12:15 PM
OMG, you even drew polygons on her! :D
http://www.3d.sk/sample_renata.jpg

Sil3
12-11-2003, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by wgreenlee1
a porn star....?

no it makes no differerance....but ta...
you know you just think the best of someone....then.....well...its like spotting a great looking donut in the store and .....picking it up only to find that is four days old......i guess,i dunno,you know?

:surprised

What kind of comparision is that?

Anyway, those are pics for reference and not pics for choosing a girlfriend or something, and what is the best of someone? Just because she is a Porn Star and makes sex with lots of guys and makes a living out of it she´s "not worthy" as a person? is that it? if so then a BIG LOL

Just out of curiosity, do Male Porn Actors are not to be thinked as "best of someone" to?

gnarlycranium
12-11-2003, 01:01 PM
Okay... not to be the lone axe-grinding fem voice here or anything, but...

WHY THE HECK DOES FEMALE PHOTO REFERENCE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE SEXUALLY SLANTED?!!

Honestly? Can't we at least PRETEND to be professional artists, people? Does everyone -have- to react to this material with lots of drooling smileys? It's not funny, dammit. It gets old fast, and it pisses some people off!

I really need some good reference material, but I'm constantly put off from visiting reference sites since, not being a lesbian, there are certain things I get really tired of seeing. That chick with the tongue stud and the totally unnecessary come-hither look is a great example of the number one reason I haven't subscribed to this one yet.

ambient-whisper
12-11-2003, 01:24 PM
i think yer taking yourself a bit too seriousely ;)
if you seen the site, the amount of detail these references go into. ( front/back hand...open.. closed.. all at like 1600x1200 rez, closeups of ears/noses/feet... tons of faces and different angles of each.. and facial expressions ( again all at like 1600x1200 ).
the amount of detail these go in its nuts, and if a girl with a stud in her tongue sets you off, then perhaps you should get over it. cuz seriousely, theres a lot of work that has been put into it and your complerely missing it.

plus. if girl is not your thing, theres boy there too ;) haha

wgreenlee1
12-11-2003, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Sil3
:surprised

What kind of comparision is that?

Anyway, those are pics for reference and not pics for choosing a girlfriend or something, and what is the best of someone? Just because she is a Porn Star and makes sex with lots of guys and makes a living out of it she´s "not worthy" as a person? is that it? if so then a BIG LOL

Just out of curiosity, do Male Porn Actors are not to be thinked as "best of someone" to?

i didnt say that shes not worthy as a person,she can do what ever she wishes in life and i wish her only the best....but ta...i guess my wishes for her exceed what she wishes for herself....

levius
12-11-2003, 01:58 PM
As far as I know Aneta is not doing porn any more, you know she was young and she lived without parents. (she is 19)

Now she got regular boyfriend and is doing only light erotic photos. In fact I know lot of men that has 10x more partners and they are not even doing porn movies ;)

NUKE-CG
12-11-2003, 01:58 PM
That look she is giving is used as 3d.sk advertising it seems, the subject in this case being a very pretty girl, what is the harm in her extending her personality and showing a wild gesture?

Though I agree with excessive use of drooling.. this thread would turn into a hormone party, I don't think it is the case here, and don't see reason for you to get too upset.

wgreenlee1
12-11-2003, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by levius
As far as I know Aneta is not doing porn any more, you know she was young and she lived without parents. (she is 19)

Now she got regular boyfriend and is doing only light erotic photos. In fact I know lot of men that has 10x more partners and they are not even doing porn movies ;)

well thats good to hear then and im mistaken then to wish for something i hope she is doing already,mainly respecting herself like i respect her for leaving that stuff behind......
i hate to come off with the church lady act here but i hope for all of us to see what better can be had in this world for each and everyone of us and i shouldnt have said nothing at all (as usual)
if i were doing something wrong(or thought wrong by others) i would also hope someone would stand up and tell me whether i wanted to belive it or not or whether it was wrong or not,i think its called communication

flipnap
12-11-2003, 02:37 PM
yeah i agree that we should be mature when seeing "nakey hinies" when it comes to refernece stuff, but on the flipside of the coin.. here we have the same model, posing seductively (ie, advertising board across her naked body, and winking - sticking out her tongue).. i think this is a two way street here.. yeah, i seriously doubt this is like a porn thing in disguise, but in the same breath, he sure hasnt held back from using the nakedness in his models for advertising purposes, also employing beautiful people for models, easy on the eyes (hey, I wanna model overweight ugly people as well!!)...

and oh yeah, what happend to Christmas.. is it really that hard to write out the extra 6 letters evryone?.. no overones intended, but soon well just be writing "X" -- sheer laziness

Hellwolve
12-11-2003, 02:44 PM
:eek:

Nice site! Even the free samples are good :beer:

I'm wondering: are those royalty free as well? E.g., could I use 'em in textures if I wanted?

Annuostivix
12-11-2003, 02:51 PM
Wow, this site is really all you need for human reference I gather? The free samples are very impressive, I would love to get a membership. I'm going to go check out prices.

edit: Those prices seem satisfactory to me :D

NUKE-CG
12-11-2003, 02:55 PM
Flipnap,

Xmas means the same as Christmas, yes, and used in the same context as Christmas but shorter, but it is used a lot in modern day speech to remove the writers involvement in religion, but still appreciating that it is a world-wide holiday which makes this sub-par world nearly normal for a short time, or he could be lazy... heh heh :)

levius
12-11-2003, 02:57 PM
Yes free samples are Royalty free too :) Its possible to use them for commercial purpuoses. ;)

God to flipnap: "Hey! Don't make fun from me! :rolleyes:"

Clockwork
12-11-2003, 03:00 PM
I'd be interested in some slightly different body types, ponchy, overweight that sort of thing. Obviously not as much of a joy to take photos of, but still in demand for us 3d artists ;)

sqitso
12-11-2003, 03:01 PM
Oh Jeezus!! That site almost got me fired with the jumblies and wangies.

flipnap
12-11-2003, 03:04 PM
Xmas means the same as Christmas, yes, and used in the same context as Christmas but shorter, but it is used a lot in modern day speech to remove the writers involvement in religion, but still appreciating that it is a world-wide holiday which makes this sub-par world nearly normal for a short time, or he could be lazy... heh heh

yeah i hear ya, I wont spin this thread into a religious debate but I was just noticing the prolific use of xmas based on shortcuts and space saving and non-religious involvement.. problem is Christmas is about Christs bithday. I just think its weird thats all.. I would be upset if I had a birthday party and everyone said "Hey, happy birthday X!!" (unless I was an x-man, i would be a bit insulted" But I guess the world we live in strips it all down. Especially in the states where we have seperation of Church and State but have "In God we trust" on our money.. No wonder theres confusion

oh well..

robioto
12-11-2003, 03:29 PM
"CGTalk is a professional, moderated forum. It's a place to talk about all things related to computer graphics. It's NOT a free speech forum."

Back to the point of this thread. This is a fantastic reference site, while some may be momentarily captivated by the fit nude models all should know that there are alot of other non nude reference images. Some of the categories include costume reference, lots of head references, lots of fully clothed references in contemporary garb, hands, feet, etc.

Not to sound like an ad but this is a fantastic deal especially because he updates it frequently at least 2x a month if not more in some cases. Another nice thing is that the images are sufficiently his res to extract texture data from so it's not just model reference. I suppose that's evident in the samples.

flipnap
12-11-2003, 03:35 PM
.."CGTalk is a professional, moderated forum. It's a place to talk about all things related to computer graphics. It's NOT a free speech forum."

Thank you very mucho, Mr Robioto

levius
12-11-2003, 04:02 PM
Clockwork:
these types of people are on the way,
I got already one very underweight girl. (she is vegetarian and artist ;))


She could be great vamipre, check the sample.

http://www.3d.sk/Sample_Hana.jpg

Overweight people are on the way too ;).

PhilWesson
12-11-2003, 04:20 PM
i'm totally getting a membership after i pay for all these christmas presents
<see? i spelled it out, not lazy....>

Cman
12-11-2003, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by flipnap
yeah, i seriously doubt this is like a porn thing in disguise, but in the same breath, he sure hasnt held back from using the nakedness in his models for advertising purposes, also employing beautiful people for models, easy on the eyes (hey, I wanna model overweight ugly people as well!!)...


I agree about the heavy people.
I haven't joined yet, but I hope the site's author will be putting "unattractive" and/or overweight people as well.

edit -
sorry, didn't see above response. :)

Hellwolve
12-11-2003, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by levius
Yes free samples are Royalty free too :) Its possible to use them for commercial purpuoses. ;)

Thanks for the info...I'm not really planning to directly copying them, but one never knows...I could be in a real hurry one day ;)

character
12-11-2003, 05:13 PM
one question (great site btw), is the membership US$49.95 a year or US$9.95 a year? i see both on the site. it is confusing me, hehe. thanks

Grayson
12-11-2003, 05:14 PM
I really like what you've put together on your site; your providing the 3d community a great service.

I do have one quick question though; how often do you update the content?

I'm just curious what benefit I would get from buying a full year over just a month or two?

Warden
12-11-2003, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by flipnap
yeah i hear ya, I wont spin this thread into a religious debate but I was just noticing the prolific use of xmas based on shortcuts and space saving and non-religious involvement.. problem is Christmas is about Christs bithday. I just think its weird thats all.. I would be upset if I had a birthday party and everyone said "Hey, happy birthday X!!" (unless I was an x-man, i would be a bit insulted" But I guess the world we live in strips it all down.


that's just an urban myth
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xmas

As for aneta being a porn star, that dosen't bother me. Just means I can probably find "reference" of her free somewhere else.
And levius, you didn't have to tell us Hana was a vegetarian. That's obvious. Someone buy that girl a ribeye.

PS Looks like a good sight.

levius
12-11-2003, 06:00 PM
Grayson:
I am updating site at least 2x per month. At least 2 nude references, lot of heads and some additional stuff like clothes etc...


Character:
9.95 is recurring price, so you will be billed this amount till you cancel your membership.

So 18 months for 49.95 seems like good Xmas price :D

TVeyes
12-11-2003, 06:31 PM
Just ordered a years subscription and had a quick look through the site. I very much like what I've seen so far. Excellent resource.

Yes, there are a lot of naked women, from all angles, but there are also a lot of naked men from all angles. I of course went straight for the medieval clothes section:rolleyes: Naked women, naked men its all the same; reference material.

Grayson: I was wondering about the same thing until this Christmas/Xmas offer. The price is just right for me now and the extra 6 months is a bonus. I am just glad to "support" a great resource site. And yes I do know about "Save image as" ;)

Love the the personal touch Peter:thumbsup: Do you actually make any money on this?

levius
12-11-2003, 06:38 PM
Thanks a lot TVeyes .
Looks like I will finaly have enough money to buy
pro camera and to hire some pro models too.

WHat the great content it will be :bounce:

I got to thank you and all the people that support my site, withuot people like you I would stil use compact 4mpx Casio camera :)

And not to forget CGnetworks for providing info aboout this Xmas special to all CGtalkers .

You know my dream come true, it looks like I could work on my site full time, so I am quite sure it will be REALLY good soon :thumbsup:

Really happy now :bounce:

gnarlycranium
12-11-2003, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by ambient-whisper
i think yer taking yourself a bit too seriousely ;)

the amount of detail these go in its nuts, and if a girl with a stud in her tongue sets you off, then perhaps you should get over it. cuz seriousely, theres a lot of work that has been put into it and your complerely missing it.

plus. if girl is not your thing, theres boy there too ;) haha

Yes, the reference on this particular site is very good, I'm not contesting that.

I do, however, object to the sexual connotations in the advertising, and the way nobody around here seems to think it just MIGHT be a good idea to reign in the drool-spigots. And I can object to that if I damn well please. There are REASONS I take this stuff seriously, thank you very much. What's wrong with taking it seriously? This is not a guys' night out, it's a professional forum, in case you hadn't noticed.

Yes, there is male reference, but not nearly as much-- and the guys aren't portrayed in the same way, now are they? Would YOU want to surf reference sites that kept reminding you of gay porn?? Would you?!!! (um... if you're gay, nevermind, just fill that bit of the sentence in with something else) :surprised

Boone
12-11-2003, 07:16 PM
I've definetly seen this site before...ABSOLUTE FILTH!!!:eek:

CHILDREN - COVER YOUR EYES!!!:scream:

Clockwork
12-11-2003, 07:21 PM
If you object, don't go, otherwise do. It's a resource, not a porn site. They should link the featurette right to the site and avoid all of this mumbo jumbo nonsense.

erilaz
12-11-2003, 07:23 PM
I am very impressed by the quality of the references. I knew they were high res, but not THAT high!:eek:

This will be an exceptional resource for future projects. Thankyou levius!

This site is worth it for the head references alone, so anything extra is just icing on the cake.

As for the erotic nature of the advertisement, Gnarly does have a point. The reference site itself is a fantastic resource, but I kinda get sick of the way sex is used to sell, and I don't just mean for this site, I mean in any product. The balance of male to female references is a moot point. I know that will sort itself out over time.
It's all about respect.:)

mushroomgod
12-11-2003, 07:56 PM
Yes, there is male reference, but not nearly as much-- and the guys aren't portrayed in the same way, now are they? Would YOU want to surf reference sites that kept reminding you of gay porn?? Would you?!!! (um... if you're gay, nevermind, just fill that bit of the sentence in with something else)

Can you honesty say that the site reminds you of lesbian porn?

projectcoil
12-11-2003, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by mushroomgod
Can you honesty say that the site reminds you of lesbian porn?

No it's kinkier. :beer:

http://3d.sk/sample_renata.jpg

Those polygons are badly layed out mind you.

Jamesh
12-11-2003, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Sil3
And?...does it really make a diference?:shrug:


not really. ..unless you are going to need to study sexual positions. I think you can take your work serious and still have fun. ...unless you are a stick in the mud.

by the way..great site Levius!

BnE
12-11-2003, 08:33 PM
mouahahaha, that was really funny when i understood that Aneta is a porn star... and yes, it seems like she's famous... i think using this picture of Aneta for advertising is a good idea. She's nice and as artists, i think we all like beautifull bodies. i mean that i REALLY like women, but i also love(in the anatomy way, i'm not gay... ;) ) male bodies. I'm sooo impressed by the human machine.... Thanx Levius for working on this excellent site! i dont regret my registration!

ps : Aneta is nice, but to me, she's too thin. Do you think you'll make pictures of women with a bit more "defined shapes"(sorry, i'm french i dont know if this is understandable..) ? anyway thank you!

archiea
12-11-2003, 08:43 PM
say it BnE.... SAY IT!!!!

RuBeNeSqUe...

ahh.....

(.Y.) instead of \ . . /

So that they :bounce: more....

We would need more subdivisions, though!!!!

archiea
12-11-2003, 09:03 PM
Gnarly Cranium...

sorry that you feel that way... It was never the intent to make you feel uncomfortable. And the repeated references to the female models here does serve as too much of a reminder that its still too much a frat industry.

Please forgive us as we are guys, and guys will be guys....

I'll admit though, the advertisement with her sticking out her tongue is really cute, but at least its one of his models...

I can't stand it if I'm shopping for a cell phone or a product at Sony or Panasonic, and their web pages have allof these female models in it.. All in their 20's, young beautiful.... heck I'm just looking for a walkman..

these companies are selling lifestyles... "if youare young and hip, then you will want our product...."

At least Apple in their iPod adds use silhouettes as if to say "fill in this space with you". A bit more universal... Like I said, at least Anita is one of his models.

Now, Grnarly Cranium, please excuse me while I... :drool:

BTW, on the topic of being digusting, doesn't this guy look like a blow up doll? -> :wise:

Scott Harris
12-11-2003, 10:10 PM
Gnarly Cranium I am truly offended by your avatar... I contest the mockary you make of white peoples with head trama who happen to enjoy christmas.

lighten up... everyone here is human.
:surprised

ggg
12-11-2003, 11:42 PM
I am very impressed with the detail and poses chosen, and the lighting is good.

Frankly though I find the drawn on polygons distracting and not nearly as professional as the rest of the work that went into this project. Its such a personal taste where to put the polys and these ones in partiucular seem unrelated to the models anatomy.

I'd much rather see a drawn on abitrary grid (use a projector as a tracing guide), and then see the models in various poses to see how the grided skin stretches and deforms on each body type. This is visual info I could use inthe study of topology and deformation, not a polygon topology that I think works against replicating the deforms of the models they are drawn on.

I mean this crtisism in a constructive way as I think this could really become an amazing resource. Finding non-porn nudes is tough, and finding them from various angles and poses in good lighting at high rez is almost impossible.

Thank you for making this resource available to the 3d community.

slime
12-12-2003, 12:33 AM
Gnarly Cranium, you seem to be a little frustrated. Try to live without taking things without importance so seriously . Come on, if you feel that image offensive, you have serious problems. ;)

About the genre, most 3D artists are male, so a female is better suited for advertisement.

levius: excelent work. I'm sure you are helping a lot of modellers. :thumbsup:

projectcoil
12-12-2003, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by slime
Gnarly Cranium, you seem to be a little frustrated. Try to live without taking things without importance so seriously . Come on, if you feel that image offensive, you have serious problems. ;)

About the genre, most 3D artists are male, so a female is better suited for advertisement.

levius: excelent work. I'm sure you are helping a lot of modellers. :thumbsup:

That is just bad grammar if you ask me.

gnarlycranium
12-12-2003, 12:47 AM
Well, if I'm going to be labeled a 'stick in the mud' or someone with 'serious problems', so be it.

Some people get tired of having sexual images put in front of them when they're just looking for professional reference. Please remember that and try to respect my opinion, whether you agree with it or not.

Sexual issues are like religion and politics-- people will never agree on them, and they're bound to cause controversy, so it would be nice if they could be kept OUT of a professional environment. That was all I wanted to say-- it is not my intent to say anything bad about Peter's site, or to turn his thread into an argument.

Thanks for all the insults, guys. I've made my point, I'm done.


(thanks, archiea... I've been trying to keep an even keel about this stuff, but after a couple years it's really starting to wear on me)

slime
12-12-2003, 12:51 AM
projectcoil: Are you refering at my spelling?
Obviously should not be good, because english is my third language.
Gnarly Cranium: Nobody insulted you. We only said that you shouldn't take these things so seriously. I cannot see that sexual images you say...
:shrug:

zen
12-12-2003, 12:53 AM
The male and perfect front-side pics are a good idea.
So is the idea for a face database, although with the ammount of faces on the net i could build my own.
But um...im sure you guys are gonna rip on me for this... but even in a completely non-sexual context, do you guys really think you have to pay for photo reference of naked, beautiful slim women? I mean, is there not enough of it for free on the net already??
...just a thought!

levius
12-12-2003, 12:55 AM
ggg : Yes you are right, I got to work on polygons/grids more. I am just experimenting right now, and you wouldnt believe, but I am quite nervous during drawing too :blush:

And yes, I am open to all constructive critisism, I already improved my work a lot becouse of suggestions from my members.

Please feel free to send any suggestions/criticism to:

suggestions@3d.sk

levius
12-12-2003, 12:59 AM
ZEN: yes that was exactly reason for starting my page, its impossible to find hi res nude woman in T stand from front and side on the net ;)

And one more thought: Its better to use lincensed images for commercial work. You never know who own the copyright for photos found on the web....

ambient-whisper
12-12-2003, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by zen
The male and perfect front-side pics are a good idea.
So is the idea for a face database, although with the ammount of faces on the net i could build my own.
But um...im sure you guys are gonna rip on me for this... but even in a completely non-sexual context, do you guys really think you have to pay for photo reference of naked, beautiful slim women? I mean, is there not enough of it for free on the net already??
...just a thought!

most pictures on the net are rather low quality/detail.

i just checked an image, and it was a closeup of the eye, the image is 2560 x 1940. good luck finding a whole dedicated collection of about 3000 images that are this resolution.
...just a thought! ;)

projectcoil
12-12-2003, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by slime
projectcoil: Are you refering at my spelling?
Obviously should not be good, because english is my third language.
Gnarly Cranium: Nobody insulted you. We only said that you shouldn't take these things so seriously. I cannot see that sexual images you say...
:shrug:

My apologies. I thought your inability to write grammatically were due to other reasons.

On a side note. I almost closed down my browser when cgtalk loaded thinking it was a porn ad. Ya, a woman with a tougue stud was not what I had expected to be on the front page of cgtalk.

slime
12-12-2003, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by projectcoil
My apologies. I thought your inability to write grammatically were due to other reasons.
I would love to hear the reasons. Please, feel free to send me a personal message. Maybe you didn't realize that 95.8% of the world doesn't have english as their mother language.



On a side note. I almost closed down my browser when cgtalk loaded thinking it was a porn ad. Ya, a woman with a tougue stud was not what I had expected to be on the front page of cgtalk.

oh, man... A porn add... :p :applause:

kwshipman
12-12-2003, 01:38 AM
dang Oregonians, always complaining about something:p

Stahlberg
12-12-2003, 01:38 AM
The polygons Peter is drawing on the girls comes from my old Subdivided female body, he asked for it for this purpose and I sent a few screen caps. But I keep telling him colored dots or something would do just as nicely. :) The topology isn't perfect, but it's suited me quite well for a couple years. I'm in the process of rebuilding it from scratch though. (See threads in the Focused Crits and Maya forum.)

About naked people and sex, Aneta was probably mugging in front of the camera, doing the stuff she's more used to doing, and Peter liked one of those pics and used it. Big deal.

fturtle
12-12-2003, 01:51 AM
slime:
Your post was very coherent. It's pretty cool that English is your third language, if you ask me.

projectcoil:
Your last post contained two sentence fragments! AHHHH!!! :eek: :eek: ;)

You've made a great and resourceful site, Levius. It's the first site of its class that I've seen. There may be other reference sites, but none that I've seen are of your site's quality. I like how yours is devoted to references specifically for 3D art.

onlooker
12-12-2003, 02:03 AM
Personally I could give a damn if she was a porn star, supermodel, cheerleader, or housewife. I find it hard to find good bind pose references of women (or men) anywhere.
Not to mention she is gorgeous.
I really don't care who they are if the have a great body (such as her's), and she is willing to pose. Get the pictures and share em. I don't know about you, but I'll use em.

levius
12-12-2003, 02:11 AM
I got to say Steven's grid originals looks much better than the ones drawed on my models.

I didnt think it would be so hard to draw these :). I always got to erase lines a lot ;) and finally run out of time, so they are not fnished :(

Anyway, I am going to memorize these lines and hire Aneta for whole day so I could draw them perfectly and do all the photos that will camw up to my mind :)

Please write me your suggestions for posing grided Aneta.
And NO JOKES ! :cool:

fturtle
12-12-2003, 02:26 AM
Is there a place we might have a look at the wire being used? It might be useful in suggestions for how the lines are drawn, or something.

Stahlberg
12-12-2003, 03:13 AM
I think this is the wire:
http://www.androidblues.com/a2newscreen.jpg
The zero level at least, on the right. (Maya)

dvornik
12-12-2003, 04:17 AM
I believe http://www.3d.sk have lost whatever respectability it had. I don't mind porn whatsoever. But "pay $10 for a hi-rez image" scheme is ****ing ridiculous. Just ban it.

ggg
12-12-2003, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by Stahlberg
The polygons Peter is drawing on the girls comes from my old Subdivided female body, he asked for it for this purpose and I sent a few screen caps. But I keep telling him colored dots or something would do just as nicely. :) The topology isn't perfect, but it's suited me quite well for a couple years. I'm in the process of rebuilding it from scratch though. (See threads in the Focused Crits and Maya forum.)

About naked people and sex, well I think Peter is Scandinavian like me. We just don't get all giggly about it. So forgive me if I'm not sickened by Peter's ad - Aneta was probably mugging in front of the camera, doing the stuff she's more used to doing, and Peter liked one of those pics and used it. Big deal.
Hi Stahlberg, the topology may have been effective for you, and although topology arrangement is subjective and interferes with the very purpose of the visual reference and research unless one adheres to that arrangment of topology, I felt the components were not placed relative to the anatomy, well maybe relative as in 'near', but not on, like edges were not near creases, points near protrusions etc. so to me the achievements of your topology studies are lost in the application here.
Considering skin slide and the subjectivity of topology arrangement it makes more sense to me anyway to have a static applied grid of edges or points from which to derive defromation and skin slide info from viewing the pictures, or applying lines, better curves that follow the actual persons anatomical surface features when they are in a static pose, and then seeing it in various poses.
Its something I could really use.
I am interested in others polygonal topology arrangement of people like Jeremy Engleman and yourself , and if for that purpose, not for straight anatomical reference, would be intersted in the imposed topology on models in reference images, and it might be very insightful if a little better placed according to the purpose of those edges/points being there for efficient and accurate description of the anatomical form with consideration of deformation later.
For most work I'd rather have the lines of medically defined anatomical areas drawn on or a plain old grid to visually track. After all it would be for My studies. : ) I think the 3d geo topology is a result of study and would rather derive its invention from studying curves(not lines) that conform to the models anatomy, (which one can mentally visualize anyway, but not its derivatives in various poses to ascertain), not someone elses straight topology stretched forcebly over a human form.
EDIT added. Again meant constructively but actually I am not a fan of boxy grid like character toplogy I think its often ineffcient, non-expressive, and constradictory to deformation(if one plans to animate it later), although your final result is extrodinary, but it its rare that something boxy at the base level ends up showing anatomy so well in the final product.

Thank you levius for your reply, great reference photos! Don't be shy about it, I drew all over classmates in college for reference, but paint. Look forward to seeing what you come up with.

PS I don't mind the ad either especially as the rest of the work is professional, and to the point of product for research. Besides these are real people being photographed. EDIT added, I don't see this as porn in such static poses but the clothing on some of them might illicit a response by some. I could care less if they were in bondage, as long as no ones hurt, there are various full body poses and close up angles, and its well lit.

CIM
12-12-2003, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by dvornik
I believe http://www.3d.sk have lost whatever respectability it had. I don't mind porn whatsoever. But "pay $10 for a hi-rez image" scheme is ****ing ridiculous. Just ban it.

Porn? Do you even know what porn is? :rolleyes:

Per-Anders
12-12-2003, 04:48 AM
levius, why not make a few poses with the models then get a few artists like stahlberg to pose cg low res models in the same proportions and poses over the top, and simply comp them together in photoshop?

as something that would be of maybe of more use directly on the model would be general lines/dots/markers to show how things fold and what areas stretch etc, maybe little muybridge like sequences showing where the skin moves versus where the muscles stretch during motion or into different poses. i think that sort of thing would be invaluable to the character animators out there.

dvornik
12-12-2003, 04:58 AM
Huh? Bible? For **** sake man. I just don't think it's appropriate to charge people $10 for downloading hi-rez images. I don't think it's porn. I just resent the fact that this site is promoted as a source for professionals.

For the record - keep me up to date on any Kobe Tai resourses.

erilaz
12-12-2003, 04:58 AM
Originally posted by CIM
Porn? Do you even know what porn is? :rolleyes:

Just go back to humping the bible quietly and spare us.

That was uncalled for CIM. Seriously. The guy has an opinion, so argue it sensibly without resorting to personal attacks.

CIM
12-12-2003, 05:05 AM
That was uncalled for CIM. Seriously. The guy has an opinion, so argue it sensibly without resorting to personal attacks.

Sounds like he's bitching about the site being a porn site to me.

Why don't you show us a better site, with free, high-res. images, dvornik.

dvornik
12-12-2003, 05:19 AM
I mind the fact that they are trying to make money from selling hi-rez pictures of naked porn-actors and wanna-be porn actors without offering any free resourses for artists. I don't mind porn whatsoever and I gotta say I enjoy engaging in certain kind of entertainment associated with it in my free time...

Ufck man. Who do you think I am. Just think of what these guys are trying to do...

CIM
12-12-2003, 05:31 AM
I mind the fact that they are trying to make money from selling hi-rez pictures of naked porn-actors and wanna-be porn actors without offering any free resourses for artists.

Maybe you should check his sig. It clearly has a link (fineart.sk) to a free site for artists.

dvornik
12-12-2003, 05:34 AM
I know. Nice site (at least it was). That's why I said it has lost all respectability...

erilaz
12-12-2003, 05:39 AM
I'm not sure I understand your point dvornik. The site is not just naked people. It's a very useful human face and body reference with a lot of variety. We pay for the fact that someone has put in time and effort to take these photos for our use. That person also has to pay models to pose. There are server bandwidth costs as well. Why shouldn't we pay for it?
I'm trying to understand your point of view, but can't you see there is need to pay someone for their services? It's just like paying for a model or texture on TurboSquid.

dvornik
12-12-2003, 05:47 AM
My point of view is that http://www.fineart.sk has considerably changed it's policy (compared to what it was before). So before selebrating their policy it would make sense to research what it actually is right now.

Dearmad
12-12-2003, 05:49 AM
Originally posted by flipnap
yeah i hear ya, I wont spin this thread into a religious debate but I was just noticing the prolific use of xmas based on shortcuts and space saving and non-religious involvement.. problem is Christmas is about Christs bithday. I just think its weird thats all.. I would be upset if I had a birthday party and everyone said "Hey, happy birthday X!!" (unless I was an x-man, i would be a bit insulted" But I guess the world we live in strips it all down. Especially in the states where we have seperation of Church and State but have "In God we trust" on our money.. No wonder theres confusion

oh well..

This has always bugged me- when people complain about the "X" is Xmas, claim it's disrespectful and don't even bother to explore the history of why the X is there. It's equally symbolic and christian to write "X" or "Christ" -mas. Figure it out. Look at the symbology of the papal seal. Read the bible. Think about it.

And I'm not even Xtian. I wish I was an X-men sometimes though.

There, is this thread hijacked enough yet?

fturtle
12-12-2003, 05:55 AM
dvornik:
Nobody's forcing you to take advantage of this service; you're making it sound like it's some sort of government tax that should be protested. ;)

Based on your earlier post, I should mention that the membership fee is not paid on a per-picture basis. I'm not sure where you get "$10 for a high-res image." The payments are based on membership duration; levius commits to updating the archive often so that the content is not static, not that there isn't plenty to use already. According to the short FAQ on this page (http://www.3d.sk/join.htm), you receive access to over 3,000 reference photos. They include everything from multiple angles of people of different shapes and sizes to close-ups of their heads, limbs, etc. I've yet to see free high-res close-up foot porn, for example.

If it were $10 per image, you'd have access to five images with the current membership offer. Good thing that's not what it is. ;)

About paying for it in general:
This is an extremely respectable service. It's certainly one that requires effort, time, and money for its maintenance, and those are expenditures for which people expect and deserve to receive compensation. It's an occupation. There aren't many (if any at all) resources like this one out there. With that in mind, since the demand for this service severely outweighs the supply, he could be charging more for it than he is. Instead, he's set the price very reasonably.

dvornik
12-12-2003, 05:56 AM
Ummm... I'm kind of a Russian-Israeli atheist... So I'm afraid you lost me here...

kwshipman
12-12-2003, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by dvornik
I mind the fact that they are trying to make money from selling hi-rez pictures of naked porn-actors and wanna-be porn actors without offering any free resourses for artists. I don't mind porn whatsoever and I gotta say I enjoy engaging in certain kind of entertainment associated with it in my free time...

Ufck man. Who do you think I am. Just think of what these guys are trying to do...

If they don't charge to join, how do you propose they make the money to pay the modles and for the necessary bandwidth to make this all possible? I mean, he has bill too.

dvornik
12-12-2003, 06:21 AM
I don't care how people make their money. I don't understand why this particular deal is on the frontpage of cgtalk though.

kwshipman
12-12-2003, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by dvornik
I don't care how people make their money. I don't understand why this particular deal is on the frontpage of cgtalk though.

Well that is not the stance that you have been taking.

I believe http://www.3d.sk have lost whatever respectability it had. I don't mind porn whatsoever. But "pay $10 for a hi-rez image" scheme is ****ing ridiculous. Just ban it.

Huh? Bible? For **** sake man. I just don't think it's appropriate to charge people $10 for downloading hi-rez images. I don't think it's porn. I just resent the fact that this site is promoted as a source for professionals.

I mind the fact that they are trying to make money from selling hi-rez pictures of naked porn-actors and wanna-be porn actors without offering any free resourses for artists.

in your previous posts you problem was the fact that they charge for a service that for some reason you dont like and have attacted very harshly. If you dont like CGTalk pluging this topic then address that issue with the admin. If you would like to start a free site for the same quality and size pics go right a head.

ambient-whisper
12-12-2003, 06:44 AM
If you would like to start a free site for the same quality and size pics go right a head.

yes :) and while at it. could you offer us a lot of variety of people? under weight, overweight. from a bunch of angles, in different poses ( say you can focus on an arm while its resting and then have incremental pictures of it flexing ). do that for more than one joint. ( and the torso )make sure lighting and resolution is good so that we can capture samples for textures as well.

ggg
12-12-2003, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by dvornik
I don't mind porn whatsoever and I gotta say I enjoy engaging in certain kind of entertainment associated with it in my free time...
Ok here's another one for you to enjoy then:
http://ads.cgnetworks.com/nexus/expose2call_ad4.jpg
and Dearmad if xmas now being a holiday for other people than xtians, and openly offered by ex-xtains bothers you, read into this image, offensive on so many levels :D
http://ads.cgnetworks.com/nexus/expose2call_ad1.jpg

give it a break, this is a cg site. are they using sexual imagery to sell it? yes, big deal although I agree it would be a little explicit for others. are the images useful for 3D modeling reference, yes. is the price fair? yes.
point of the thread is? reference imagery for 3D modeling.

Jonathan
12-12-2003, 07:02 AM
They funny think is that many people will pay 30 bucks for a book, like I did, or 8 bucks for a magazine, cosmo, Fmen, GQ for good references pics. Then I have to scan the them etc..... Just a big headache. On top of that, I can't use any pictures of the models in those magazines or books comercially.

Therefore I think this is a great deal as I can get a dirtload of royalty free images, and not have to go through the hooplah of scanning. And then it's real people on top of that, body fat, blemishes the works.

THis is a incredible find and any artist worth his salt can see that.

dvornik
12-12-2003, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by kwshipman
Well that is not the stance that you have been taking.


I was responding to various replies (some of which accused me of being some kind of a christian fundamentalist). My main point was against this particular website changing from a great all-purpose reference site into a pay-per-month soft-porn site. It's bad in my opinion. I like hard porn and hard reference.

BnE
12-12-2003, 07:53 AM
dvornik : haha, funny replies dvornik... but i think you shouldn't blame Levius for selling his work. Thought you think it's too expensive, if people want to pay for that(and i do by the way), then it's not a steal.... i mean even if you think all this shoud be free, maybe other people don't and that's why they pay...
"My point of view is that http://www.fineart.sk has considerably changed it's policy " i dont understand very well... it may be because i dont speak good english... do you talk about, for example, the modelsheets which disappeared from the site? i was a bit desapointed about that too... but everything else is still online... could you be clearer about what you think because "http://www.fineart.sk has considerably changed it's policy" does mean a lot of things...

Stahlberg
12-12-2003, 08:36 AM
My main point was against this particular website changing from a great all-purpose reference site into a pay-per-month soft-porn site.

I guess you're confusing fineart.sk with 3d.sk. It's not the same site. Fineart came first, then 3d.sk. And it's not "they", it's one unique and cool guy who's given more than most to the community.

levius
12-12-2003, 08:56 AM
I would like to say I understand what is dvornik talking about. There was some free head references on fineart.sk before.

Got to say there is no more something like "for free" on the web.
Fineart.sk got trafic about 300 GB/month. It really costs lot of money, I payed more then 500 USD only for penaltyies for trafic overload on my previouse host.

I changed it, go to friend that sayed I can use any banmdwith I need. But now its shooting down his commercial pages so he told me I got to buy my own server and pay 1000 USD/month only for bandwith. So right now I am mooving to another host (probably will have to do this every 2 months :))

Believe me, I really got lot of problems with this free site, and it already costs me lot of money and time.

BnE
12-12-2003, 09:16 AM
yaaaaaaaaaa keep doing the things you do Levius. You do them right so don't stop! now, i understand why some things disapeared from the fineart.sk site! i never thought about bandwith limit and money that it costs! :blush:
:thumbsup:

levius
12-12-2003, 09:18 AM
FUNNY STORY :

Recently I was looking for some royalty free images for my friend site on www.stockbyte.com

One photo costs there from 97 to 526 USD !! :cry:
(Its the same photo in variuse sizes)

UNBELIEVEBLE! :)
I think this sounds like great bussines oportunity ;)

xtrm3d
12-12-2003, 09:34 AM
please allow me to jump on the running train..
i really dnt understand why people complain about the price or the content ..
i am a new client from levius since friday..
and believ me you would never and i put an emphasis on the word never !!
find so good reference picture somewhere else on the web..for so few money..
c´mon 10 us $ / month for so much reference ..

concerning the naked stuff..
is this girl a porno star ? yes
is she performing any sexual thing ont the picture ? no..

if you cannot see a naked body , or condam people cause tehy have sex .. then i can really complain your /wife/girlfriend/boyfriend..or whatever you have ...

concerning this being on the front page ..
i dont see any problem with that..
how many almost naked girl with big breast .. did we get on the front page ??
a lot of them...
and nobody complained about that .
:hmm:

samartin
12-12-2003, 10:07 AM
I can't believe how this thread has turned out, it's a fantastic reference point for people who model humans, etc... be it body/head/ear/eyes etc... and $10 a month, what's so bad about that, it's peanuts and it helps keep the server going with all them large detailed reference pics so KUDOS to levius for providing a great service...

Sil3
12-12-2003, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by dvornik
I don't care how people make their money. I don't understand why this particular deal is on the frontpage of cgtalk though.

Perhaps, and im only guessing here, it´s because this is a FORUM FOR ARTISTS and WE NEED THAT KIND OF REFERENCES, many of us dont have the money to buy decente equipment and pay models to pose for us...

Sil3
12-12-2003, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by dvornik
... My main point was against this particular website changing from a great all-purpose reference site into a pay-per-month soft-porn site...

And where do u see Porn in that site? Unless for u a naked person is pornographic...i wonder why babys born naked, there should be a law preventing that, we should all even take bath with swiming suits........:rolleyes:

flipnap
12-12-2003, 01:34 PM
Treading lightly on what Ive read so far: I think its great to have a sight like this and 10 a month aint too bad, i seem to remember a single "photodisc" costing in excess of 800 dollars (pu-lease)

But the porn thing is a tricky thing (also a very serious accusation). Its kinda like theft.. some people think stealing is stealing, period.. other people think taking a paper clip from the office is A LOT different than robbing a grand from a bank..

The only thing that stuck out to me that could even be considered risque (i wouldnt call it porn though) is the super close up shots of genitalia.. I dont see the point.. If your gonna need to model something like that, your prolly doing a medical study, in which case, you already have plenty of medical reference. I mean, if theres going to be a close shot of that, why not a, pardon my verbage but I dont know how else to say it, a more spread open shot. Again, not trying to be vulgar, but why not? for those that lets say need to model for doing, lets say a birth, or some other detailed medical illustration..

My point is, there are lines, theyre just drawn in different places in different minds.. Some person just wanting to grab good skin textures might not want to see that kind of thing.. and other people, hey they dont have a problem with it.. maybe you should make a subcategory for "more detailed" anatomy stuff..

And please, no more "were all born naked, whats wrong with that?" cuz books are written on that argument.. take it to social studies 101

xaoei
12-12-2003, 01:37 PM
Hmm, I don't know what kind of professional expectations you people possess, but the going rate for hires stock imagery is anywhere from 50 to tens of thousands of dollars each. 10$ is nothing. This site is enormously useful (I am a happy member). Thank you very much for all your time and effort levius!

levius
12-12-2003, 02:42 PM
Thanks Guys :)
About Genitals:
Lot of my clients are creating textures for poser models, and they require these kind of photos.
Believe me, I would prefer not to shoot detail 3000x2000 male genitals in other case :)

UPDATE: Just uploaded Renata, like this girl a lot,
she was very shy/cute during shooting. :drool:
Ups sorry I forgot these smiles are not alowed in this thread ;)

Check it out: http://www.3d.sk/renata/page_01.htm

Free Hi Res Sample:

http://www.3d.sk/sample_renata.jpg


And one more good news, I will have Aneta for whole day shooting again. I will draw new version of Grid (hope Steven will help me ) and we will pose a lot, I want at least 500 Photos from this session.

cuse
12-12-2003, 03:05 PM
Hey levius,

Great offer, attracting a lot of attentionas well which is good.

Im looking for some references of fat chicks, or to be more politically correct "horizontally challenged females", but yea, fat chicks.

I notice a lot of the photos are (in my opinion) of very attractive people. Do you have more with irregular features? You know what im after,...

Cheers, also, who is the blonde chick with the sign? - Aneta? Is the rumour true?



cuse

levius
12-12-2003, 03:09 PM
Cuse:
I will have overwieght male soon, similar with female.
I will upload underweight Hana tomorow.

Blonde Chick :) is Renata. Aneta is dark. And yes, its true.

Scott Harris
12-12-2003, 03:56 PM
awesome site... hair, ears, tons of faces with lots of character...

this is a great site... it's kinda sad that people are not mature enough to see this is just good refrence.

Is anyone complaining here have industry experiance?
Have you never taken a figure drawing course befor?

an as for the marketing... didn't you know that everytime you bite into a pepermint patty you are suddenly rushing down the mountains of Aspin with the wind in your hair?

Maximus Groff
12-12-2003, 05:01 PM
Levius,

do u have a donation device on your site? Maybe non-members
could drop a $1 for u - or the people who dont want to invest
the $10 bucks (which is absurdly low dude) and think ur site
is awesome and should not be hanged up..

Perhaps we could think of a web system distributed, were any
one of us can join and mirror ur images - and ur site can
checksum the pic and the use our location for HREF the image...

im a computer programer.. let me think about this...

hum.. a person could mirror and set how many bandwith wanna
share with your site... could that work? gotta check..

any more ideas?

mushroomgod
12-12-2003, 05:02 PM
dvornik wrote.....
I don't care how people make their money. I don't understand why this particular deal is on the frontpage of cgtalk though.

My main point was against this particular website changing from a great all-purpose reference site into a pay-per-month soft-porn site. It's bad in my opinion. I like hard porn and hard reference.

you're an idiot:hmm:

Jonathan
12-12-2003, 05:05 PM
Hey Cuse, I thought many of the people there were average which is what I like about the site. There are blemishes, asymetry, and some a tad bit overweight and some that are underweight. I dig.

From a massive marketing point of view, most characters are asthetically pleasing. God forbid "Horizontally challenged" would have a major spot on fTV.

Anyways it would probably be weird to have a fat chick in as a Lara Croft like character, but hey the audience is fickled and you never know. There might be an supersized market for fat action chicks waiting to be tapped.

ambient-whisper
12-12-2003, 05:08 PM
yeah but games for example. have often all types of characters ( think GTA3, doom3...)
( thats incase your going on about why the need for references of all body types, if not.. then carry on and disregard this post )

http://itc.ua/img/dpk/2002/7/doom3.jpg

Jonathan
12-12-2003, 05:43 PM
hey levious, I ordered today and I got an invoice in the e-mail, but no directions as to how to access the members section. Did I overlook something or am I waiting for another e-mail??

forget it, STUPID MEEEE!!!!!!!!

I sould have READ THE DAMN DIRECTIONS



...runs to the ass kicking machine for serious dents in rear end.

sporkalicious
12-12-2003, 08:10 PM
I can’t believe this will be my first post, but…
after visiting this site for a long time now, and seeing a good attitude displayed usually, I am very surprised at the attitude shown by some members towards other members whom have expressed frustration at the ‘type’ of reference, say at a site like 3d.sk
(and others places too, but, I just gotta say that fineart.sk and 3d have been super helpful, and do have some great reference! its a good start.)

I too, am frustrated seeing such a large amount of reference of a single type (yes, it is usually attractive chicks)…
Look, I’d be just as frustrated if it was only white guys with big pecs and meaty mighty thighs .. hmm…ha! oops got myself there: the other big form of reference is bodybuilding stuff!
I get that it sells, but variety would be nice.....

Tangent: For a project, I had to hunt high and low for good reference of pudgy older guys and, *especially OLD wrinkly men* , partially naked, which I can’t find online. Or rather, umm barely. I dropped big cash on nude photography books, and even so, the angles weren’t too helpful, and still no seniors.
Life drawing will the answer, but I don’t draw that well…so would be nice to have the right photos. …yeah, I’d pay GOOD money for them....

I suppose it’s a chicken and egg thing as far as the reference/and art type out there goes? it would be good to see it stirred up..
So, it would be nice not to see people flogged when they get upset about it, cause I think it’s a valid issue….(btw: I couldn't care less if some models were in porn or circus freaks, as long as there is a variety)
...maybe someone could start another online resource, like, notwhatyouwouldexpect.sk ?
;)

projectcoil
12-12-2003, 09:36 PM
I actually would love a site with hi-res animal references. Horses, cows, birds, what not. Those are a lot rarer than nude women, which everyone can agree is abundunt. I'm suprised no one mentioned nude references of children. I suppose that would have sexual implications written all over it as oppose to real porn actors/actresses, but hey we live in a make belief world.

muckywetnoodle
12-12-2003, 10:06 PM
I think it's a nice resource. Only gripe I have is the lighting on the models is pretty flat for volume reference.

levius
12-12-2003, 10:18 PM
I was trying to take photos of my dog EIN (http://www.books-about-dogs.sk/ein/index.html) :) But he didnt want to stay straight :)

One more time, I really dont think there is abundance of female references on the web. I remember times when I was working for one game company and we was looking for head/body references for our characters. We checked about 10 000 erotic images on the CDs, but we find only one or two photos from side. The ressolution was bad and the angle wasnt perfect too.

There is real problem with children, lot of poser modelers that are creating fairies asked me for these. But I dont want to be acused from child pornography. Even todays anatomy books dont have these kind of anatomy references.

Recently I found real GEM in antique bookstore, 60 years old anatomy book by Doc. Joseph Zrzavy that contains anatomy of kids of all ages along with old people. Really unique source. I am going to upload it to fineart.sk soon.

projectcoil
12-12-2003, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by levius
I was trying to take photos of my dog EIN (http://www.books-about-dogs.sk/ein/index.html) :) But he didnt want to stay straight :)

One more time, I really dont think there is abundance of female references on the web. I remember times when I was working for one game company and we was looking for head/body references for our characters. We checked about 10 000 erotic images on the CDs, but we find only one or two photos from side. The ressolution was bad and the angle wasnt perfect too.

There is real problem with children, lot of poser modelers that are creating fairies asked me for these. But I dont want to be acused from child pornography. Even todays anatomy books dont have these kind of anatomy references.

Recently I found real GEM in antique bookstore, 60 years old anatomy book by Doc. Joseph Zrzavy that contains anatomy of kids of all ages along with old people. Really unique source. I am going to upload it to fineart.sk soon.

Sorry, didn't mean to sound pompous. Nice dog, wouldn't happen to be from a super genious breed?

ggg
12-12-2003, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by levius

Recently I found real GEM in antique bookstore, 60 years old anatomy book by Doc. Joseph Zrzavy that contains anatomy of kids of all ages along with old people. Really unique source. I am going to upload it to fineart.sk soon.
thank you

also more detailed animal photos would be great, maybe get a boxer(for the pose) or well trained dog to stay still

the subject of the aneta pics has removed your option to post reference mages of humans of other ages imo.

onlooker
12-13-2003, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by dvornik


For the record - keep me up to date on any Kobe Tai resourses.

I'm with him. If you can get Kobe Tai to do a bind pose for us I will freak out.
She is ROCK hard, and would be a dream to model from bind pose references. :drool: :thumbsup:

Stahlberg
12-14-2003, 03:57 AM
I just checked Kobe out, and from a quick look I think Peter's reference girl Simona (is that the right name?) is even more ripped.

cuse
12-15-2003, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by Jonathan
Hey Cuse, I thought many of the people there were average which is what I like about the site. There are blemishes, asymetry, and some a tad bit overweight and some that are underweight. I dig.

From a massive marketing point of view, most characters are asthetically pleasing. God forbid "Horizontally challenged" would have a major spot on fTV.

Anyways it would probably be weird to have a fat chick in as a Lara Croft like character, but hey the audience is fickled and you never know. There might be an supersized market for fat action chicks waiting to be tapped.

Originally posted by ambient-whisper
yeah but games for example. have often all types of characters ( think GTA3, doom3...)
( thats incase your going on about why the need for references of all body types, if not.. then carry on and disregard this post )

http://itc.ua/img/dpk/2002/7/doom3.jpg


Hey, Jonathan... actually i always used to love drawing the real 'fatties' back when i did life drawing classes. I think that was about 5 years ago? Anyway, i just think theyre more fun, they have so much character and i really want to start modelling one. I was only asking cause at the time i was at work and most people looking over my should would actually think i was trying to perv. (think how quickly it could get around an office - i would have a pretty hard time explaining it ;))

Anyway, yea, ambient-whisper... very good point :thumbsup:



cuse

dvornik
12-16-2003, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by levius
Believe me, I really got lot of problems with this free site, and it already costs me lot of money and time.

Sorry for being so belligerent , man. I overreacted - had a bad day.

BoydLake
12-16-2003, 10:47 PM
I think Gnarly Cranium has a point. Many thought she was just being a prude and weren't really responding to what she said.

The tone of the ad and the website (however useful it is) has that cheescake soft porn tone, and I can see why it would be offensive to some. Once there, most of the material seems to be pretty straightforward reference, and entirely fine, but the "hook" is obviously geared toward male hormone driven would-be customers. I think it hurts the site's credibility for fine artists too.

The internet abounds with "reference", but it's almost always of the pin-up/porn variety. I appreciate having reference that is not pornographic since it is very hard to find. So cheers to having the site and making it available to artists, but maybe next time use and old man for advertising instead of the porn queen.

onlooker
12-18-2003, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Stahlberg
I just checked Kobe out, and from a quick look I think Peter's reference girl Simona (is that the right name?) is even more ripped.

I think she'll do. Thanks. :)

erilaz
12-19-2003, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by levius
I was trying to take photos of my dog EIN (http://www.books-about-dogs.sk/ein/index.html) :) But he didnt want to stay straight :)



Is that Ein, as in Cowboy Bebop's Ein?:D

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