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Pi3141
12-06-2003, 01:04 AM
Hello!! Sorry I've been away, I fractured my Jaw and had terrible headaches, looking at the computer screen was agony...., But I'm doing better so here's a new WIP

I'm back with somthing a little different. I'm working on a project where I have to make a toonyish chameleon. Here's the head so far, procedurals aren't final.

http://pisong.20m.com/ChameleonHead.jpg

http://pisong.20m.com/chameleongif.gif

LittleFenris
12-06-2003, 01:18 AM
Pi, cool chameleon you have there so far. I'm curious how you did the mouth positions? Did you use endomorphs or bones to control the mouth shapes? I'm curious cause my kitten model has a similar mouth setup and you have some nice mouth shapes there. :cool:

Pi3141
12-06-2003, 01:27 AM
Thanks Mr. Tornado :)

The mouth can be kinda tricky when its that wierd "Snapping" Shape, as I like to call it.

Mine is morph driven.

A good way to get articulate shapes to such a mouth, is to put symmetry on, select the front end of the lips, or snout type shape in my case.

Switch to the front view of your model, position your cursor in the middle of the head, and put your rotate tool on, then rotate.

it will cause the edges of the lips to curl in or out depending on what you want.

A perfect example is the bottom right chameleon render

LittleFenris
12-06-2003, 01:34 AM
Cool thanks Pi. Reason I asked was I was thinking bones might give more control, but the character isn't gonna talk, he just needs to have expression in his mouth like being mad, sad, etc...I just wasn't sure if morphs would give me enough control (although they would be easier to repeat facial expressions and animate, but again, less control or flexibility compared to bones). Maybe I could do morphs for most stuff, and have some bones in there for extra control when needed.

Again, thanks for the response, and the tip on the lips. :buttrock:

AstroSanchezz
12-06-2003, 02:06 AM
lookin good
good to see you back at it:)
something a little different is always good
keep going:beer:

SplineGod
12-06-2003, 02:09 AM
Its looking pretty good Pi. :)

Pi3141
12-06-2003, 03:45 AM
Thank you!!

Here's another little update :beer:

Pick your flavor!!!... lol these lil guys have the funniest grippy feet, I can't wait to try them out rigged around a branch.

http://pisong.20m.com/Chameleon%20WIP2.jpg

SplineGod
12-06-2003, 05:04 AM
Hey very cool!
Hes looking great! One small thing though...arent their tongues sort of coiled like a telephone cord? ;)

Steve Warner
12-06-2003, 05:06 AM
Woah! What the heck is coming out of that blue-green chameleon's mouth! :eek:

Oh, wait a minute... I see, it's his tongue. ;)

Great work, Pi! :thumbsup:

Cheers!

Steve

Facial Deluxe
12-06-2003, 07:39 AM
That is a superb job Pi ! :buttrock:
Even watching the simple but effective wireframe, with it's perfect edgeloops, gosh makes me feel totaly average modeler myself ! :blush:
Great Great work my friend :drool:

BTW, how did you break your jaw ? Hope you're doing well...

xtrm3d
12-06-2003, 09:02 AM
heheh..
hi pisong,
nice cameleon..
but is tong is looking like a vinyle toy for frigide women ..
you know.. the sort ..of thing they use... hooo boy .. forget it .. me definitive too french..lol.. only thinking these sort of thing..
great job..
i catch you later on icq

telamon
12-06-2003, 11:45 AM
xtrm3d ==> I had the same feeling about the tongue LOL

excellent model :thumbsup: and color though too specular IMO.
I think you'll need a bit more details on the tail if you want to animate it and get this result

http://www.slavkin.com/images/zsite/chameleon.gif

Pi3141
12-06-2003, 02:16 PM
Thanks!

The textures are just temporary to give it a bit more interesting look, I'll work on them more today


Telamon, Interesting fact, there are over 150 different kinds of Chameleon, some with horns, some with big bulgdy eyes ect, some just look plain freaky.

The chameleon I did is a young panther chameleon, see here

http://www.wecdsb.on.ca/132/depts/Science/living-lab/animal%20pictures/pantherchameleonsmall.jpg


Once I get rid of the horried procedural, it will show more of the mesh detail :D


EDIT: Facial, I fell off a roof and smacked my jaw on the way down.... always lots of fun :hmm: I feel much better now though, over the worst for sure.

telamon
12-06-2003, 02:49 PM
Sorry, I should be provide more details in my description. I meant if you want to animate it and have this spiraloid tail, you might need a bit more details ;)

I have scanned the google images to find chameleon and I then noticed that there are actually so many different types and families ;)

Great model again.

Pi3141
12-06-2003, 05:03 PM
Here's a texture test, it's quick and messy so I still have to fix up some things and work on the tongue, but he's advancing I think :)

http://pisong.20m.com/ChameleonTextureTEST.jpg

projectcoil
12-06-2003, 05:10 PM
You should market that into a sex toy PI, and I really want to know what frigide implies. Sorry about your jaw. The mouth line looks like it ends below the eye.

Pi3141
12-06-2003, 05:15 PM
lol I know... the tongue looks like a giant penis.... But that's the shape they are, they have this..... umm... head on the end, and the tongue has to be pinkish.. so it's pretty unavoidable :beer:

Gkaine
12-07-2003, 03:01 AM
nice work pi. that tounge looks like it gets the ladies where they need to go:beer:

Pi3141
12-07-2003, 06:11 AM
LOL!! here's an update.

Textures are now image maps for better detail and accuracy, tongue doesn't look so much like a genital either.

http://pisong.20m.com/ChameleonTREE.jpg
Rigged by T4D (www.thomas4d.com)

AstroSanchezz
12-07-2003, 06:36 AM
haha that's some funny stuff with the tounge
but looks more like a tounge now:)
good stuff pi:beer:

T4D
12-07-2003, 06:54 AM
super cool:buttrock:
love it completely
glad the rig worked so well for you :beer:

Pi3141
12-07-2003, 06:59 AM
Thanks again man, the rig is just brilliant as always. Love the eye controls :buttrock: :buttrock:

Keiyentai
12-07-2003, 07:07 AM
Awesome Cameleon man. I need to start making more critters lol.

telamon
12-07-2003, 12:51 PM
hey pi... How did you deform the tail ? endomorph, bone, shift spline ?

Pi3141
12-07-2003, 02:48 PM
It's just bones. T4D did this super amazing rig with crazy wieght maps, it's very easy to deform :)

Pi3141
12-07-2003, 04:22 PM
Another pose test... and for a bit of fun

The Truth Behind Forest Fires

http://pisong.20m.com/ChameleonSMOKE.jpg

Also note a slight color change, that's half the fun with chameleons :D

SplineGod
12-07-2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by telamon
hey pi... How did you deform the tail ? endomorph, bone, shift spline ?
Download the tenticle rig I have on my site. It shows how to use selection sets on bones to get some complicated motions very easily/quickly. :)

Pi3141
12-07-2003, 04:55 PM
Here's some more wireframes.

I had some polygons selected during the screen shots by mistake, so please ignore the wierd out of place squares, that you may or may not see :p

http://pisong.20m.com/ChameleonWIRES.jpg

telamon
12-07-2003, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by SplineGod
Download the tenticle rig I have on my site. It shows how to use selection sets on bones to get some complicated motions very easily/quickly. :)

I have already had a look to your tentacle rig and I found it more than perfect for such stuff.

Wow what a great wire :drool:

policarpo
12-07-2003, 06:54 PM
looking good as always master song!

:buttrock:

Pi3141
12-07-2003, 11:15 PM
Thank you!!!

Updates and new renders (including an animated gif!!) are now over in the finished gallery, check them out if you find the time :)

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1004965#post1004965

kurv
12-08-2003, 03:19 AM
Simply awesome!!!!

PiSong once again your work is fantastic!!!!

Post some animations!!

Pi3141
12-08-2003, 03:20 AM
lol thanks!

and I did, well a small animated gif... head over to the finished gallery to see it :)

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108106

proton
12-08-2003, 12:58 PM
Looks great....I love how you keep the mesh very clean and simple....with alot of detail...way to go!

Pi3141
12-08-2003, 02:03 PM
Proton :)

Yep that's the way to go, thanks!

kurv
12-08-2003, 02:26 PM
Awesome, as Proton said I canít wait to see the final work!!

You model faster than anyone else I have seen!!!

Pi3141
12-08-2003, 05:30 PM
Thanks!


I just posted these over in the finished gallery with the rest, but thought I'd pose them here too


These are some of the earlier pose tests/goofing off so the scene lighting changes a bit from render to render

http://pisong.20m.com/ChameleonTREE2.jpg

http://pisong.20m.com/ChameleonTREE3.jpg

http://pisong.20m.com/ChameleonMOB.jpg

angus1965
12-08-2003, 08:27 PM
Oh man! I love the last one.

A cameleon with 'tude. You have to love it!!

Wonderful work!

-mindcache-
12-08-2003, 08:34 PM
lmao =) that last one is fantastic looks like that would make for an interesting short.

Pi3141
12-09-2003, 01:02 AM
Thanks guys, glad you like him :)

And thanks again to T4D for the absolutely amazing rig he made for the chameleon. It's brilliant as always :beer:

Pi3141
12-09-2003, 10:35 PM
Last render I promise, I did this one and thought it was cool :D

http://pisong.20m.com/Chameleon800x600.jpg

telamon
12-09-2003, 10:48 PM
LOLLLLLLL

hum sorry for this troll post :blush:

AstroSanchezz
12-09-2003, 11:06 PM
these are so funny
has so much character in them
:beer:

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