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DSW
03-23-2012, 03:10 AM
I have a couple of questions - I'm trying to gauge Softimage user availablility.

How many Softimage users frequent these forums?
Do you consider yourself a Generalist or Specialist or Hobbyist?
Do you work in the industry or want to work in the industry?
For those who don't work in the industry, why not?
How do you feel about your SI skills?

I'd just like to know if there are any SI users that may be hobbyists or talented users, but haven't had the opportunity to use their SI skills in films or animation. Hopefully the people here can give me an idea as to the state of users.

Thanks!

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Additional:

I've been criticized on another forum for being to vague and cheap and wanting something for nothing. So I figure I would explain a little more in this post.

I only use my own experience as my guide. I taught myself 3D using only trueSpace1 back in early '96. I taught meself enough and my models and renderings were good enough to get a job at a VERY small archviz firm. Small meaning I was only the second employee. I didn't know a great deal about 3D but I learned quickly and ended up running the office and we ended up having about 15 employees. When the company closed down (internal politics and partners screwing around) I started my own small archviz firm and I made a decent living.

All I am trying to see here is if there are others "out there" are in a similar situation. Perhaps they have used SI for a few years as a hobbyist but would like to work in a studio creating animation. Is giving someone who WANTS to work in CG a leg-up really that bad?

I have no idea what my budget will end up being. As soon as I find out, I'll go from there.

TLangas
03-23-2012, 04:12 AM
I've been out for quite some time, but I am finally getting back with practice. As such, I would be a hobiest, trying to get into animation for videos and/or games. I don't have much to show at the moment, but I do hope others will be willing to share their professional opinion once I do.

Ohmanoggin
03-23-2012, 07:58 PM
I usually check in once a day. It has been kind of slow here lately, but most questions seem to get answered pretty well. www.xsibase.com (http://www.xsibase.com) and Softimage area at Autodesk are good places to try too.

However, things pick up when people start asking questions. If you are a Softimage user, I think this is a good place to look for answers.

Ohmanoggin

DSW
03-24-2012, 12:41 AM
I usually check in once a day. It has been kind of slow here lately, but most questions seem to get answered pretty well. www.xsibase.com (http://www.xsibase.com) and Softimage area at Autodesk are good places to try too.
Just posted at xsibase.

Thanks!

brudney
03-24-2012, 12:56 AM
also, have a look at www.si-community.com :)

DSW
03-24-2012, 02:37 AM
also, have a look at www.si-community.com (http://www.si-community.com) :)
I'll try here too. But already I've been criticized for looking for cheap talent and not wanting to pay for "seasoned talent" over at xsibase. Oh well.... I guess trying to see if some people - who are NOT seasoned professionals - would like to work in the industry may not go over so well.

ximage
03-24-2012, 05:19 PM
Hey DSW,

so you went for XSI after the lightwave fiasco then?

I dont think using people who are less experience and paying them a cheaper rate is a bad thing. tbh its a right time right place to get a leg up in this industry. so giving people a chance to flex their skills is a good thing. as long as pay isn't ridiculously low of course. but back in the day before I got my break in to the industry i would of been willing to work for free to get some knowledge and some portfolio work.

how you finding Mentle ray for arch viz? or you on the vray tip?

The soft community is quite small really. i think people interested in getting in to 3D hear more about maya and max and auto go for them, or motion design tend to go for cinema 4D.

I really rate softimage as a piece of kit. and for smaller companies it has nearly everything you need out the box to do an array of different work.

cheers

DSW
03-24-2012, 07:34 PM
Hey DSW,

so you went for XSI after the lightwave fiasco then?
Well, at this point I've only been playing around with the Mod kit - I just really like the feel of SI and the obvious power under the hood. And the fact that it handles mocap extremely well is a huge plus.

I dont think using people who are less experience and paying them a cheaper rate is a bad thing. tbh its a right time right place to get a leg up in this industry. so giving people a chance to flex their skills is a good thing. as long as pay isn't ridiculously low of course. but back in the day before I got my break in to the industry i would of been willing to work for free to get some knowledge and some portfolio work.
Same here. When I got my first archviz job ($24k/year back in '96) it was less than I was making in Retail BUT it was what I wanted to do. Of course $24k now isn't realistic, but there are lots of people in crap jobs that would prefer to work in CGI if they could. I don't plan on paying slave wages - at this point I don't even know what my budget will be. As soon as I find out - hopefully within the next 30 to 60 days - I go from there. I was just trying to gauge the availability of SI artists - I will probably do the same with LW artists too.

how you finding Mentle ray for arch viz? or you on the vray tip? Haven't gotten into it, though from what I've seen of Vray, I'm REALLY liking it. I also want to look at Arnold which also looks to be quite incredible.

The soft community is quite small really. i think people interested in getting in to 3D hear more about maya and max and auto go for them, or motion design tend to go for cinema 4D.Yeah, I knew it would be smaller than Max or Maya, but I do like the software. At this point I really haven't decided exactly which software will be our workhorse - for all I know it COULD still be Lightwave. The short I completed using mocap was done in LW and at least I have a pipeline already set up for that.

I really rate softimage as a piece of kit. and for smaller companies it has nearly everything you need out the box to do an array of different work.Again, that's what I was thinking too.

The thing is... I haven't forgotten how difficult it was to get a job in CG - especially in NJ at the time - and if I can provide an opportunity for others and make it slightly easier... I feel I should do that. A mediocre artist can be a great artist if given the opportunity, but if they do it only in their spare time they may not have enough drive or finances to be able to move to the next level. Maybe I can provide that little extra "oomph" where they can learn while doing AND get paid decently.

Thanks!

bottleofram
03-24-2012, 10:05 PM
DSW, i replied to your xsibase thread, so i dont want to repeat myself... Will just say that those guys who criticized you are good people, always active and helpful to the community... But they are also huge professionals who probably saw people get exploited too many times not to get nervous when someone new, without any real information about themselves and their business barges in asking those sorts of questions. Surely you are aware how troublesome this industry is. Everyone is on the edge.

EDIT: typo

adrencg
03-30-2012, 06:27 PM
man, you need to give it up.

i'm not scared to say it. You should have expected bad reactions, and you deserve it.

DSW
03-30-2012, 07:25 PM
man, you need to give it up.

i'm not scared to say it. You should have expected bad reactions, and you deserve it.

I really find it amazing that you - adrencg - have NO idea where I'm coming from; no idea what I'm planning on doing; and no idea what I'm looking to pay - and you have to balls to talk to me like that. Simply amazing. When I "troll" for Modo users too, you can open your mouth in that forum as well. I'm not looking to pay slave wages, but people like yourself automatically assume such things. Did it EVER dawn on you that I may want to help people who never thought they could work on a professional CG project get into the business? Did it? Did it occur to you that PERHAPS I had something similar done for me and I want to "pay it forward"? Obviously not. But rather than asking a question or two, you just ASSume and spue negativity.

Good, don't be scared to say it, just remember that you did. I'm not here to scam anyone nor am I here (or on any other forum) asking for free work. It's sad that people like you give people like me pause to help others move up into the system. Interestingly enough, I've found this only on the SI forums. Makes me sad.

ViCoX
03-31-2012, 02:38 PM
Best way to communicate with Soft community is trough the mailing list. : )

DSW
03-31-2012, 07:01 PM
Best way to communicate with Soft community is trough the mailing list. : )
Is this a Yahoo Group?

xsisupport
03-31-2012, 09:00 PM
Is this a Yahoo Group?
No. Google "Softimage mailing list"

DSW
03-31-2012, 10:05 PM
No. Google "Softimage mailing list"

Thank You!

ShaderOp
04-01-2012, 11:21 AM
For what it's worth, I only know DSW through his posts on the Lightwave forums during that whole CORE episode. Yet he struck me as a decent person who went out of his way to speak truth to power. Way way out of his way at times :) And while I fully understand why his posts on xsibase were viewed with suspicion, I think he means well, and that we might have been a bit too harsh towards him.

Anyways, DSW, regarding your questions: I'm a hobbyist with some animation knowledge and leaning towards TD-oriented tasks on account of being a software developer by day. There was a time when I was planning to switch careers from programming to VFX, but I'm currently reconsidering the feasibility of that. Still I would very much like an opportunity to put my skills to the test in a commercial project.

Best of luck to you.

ThE_JacO
04-02-2012, 12:43 AM
Man, I avert my eyes from a thread for a week and the seed of a flamewar are planted :p

DSW: The xsi mailing list is THE hub for competent and seasoned community an advice, and if approached right is actually very welcoming of new people as well. It is, however, a place where many hardskinned and seasoned individuals hang out, so on the recruiting/prodding side of things it might get more abrasive than you'd hope.

For everybody else, please keep beef from other threads and forums out of here if you have any.

OP hasn't broken any rules, hasn't been rude to anybody, and he hasn't posted actual job offers or ads or any other murky water fishing crap. Whatever stuff comes up elsewhere, in here he's been courteously trying to get the measure of the user base, which is perfectly legit.

I can understand anybody who's had bad experiences with fishermen and collabs might read more in the post than there is on the surface, but that's not how forums stay clean and productive. Stick to the topic please ;)

DSW
04-02-2012, 06:28 AM
Way way out of his way at times :) Who... me? :) Yeah, those were tense and difficult times. And Newtek hasn't made it easy to WANT to use LW. Though their actions have helped me to seriously look at SI and the community.

And while I fully understand why his posts on xsibase were viewed with suspicion, I think he means well, and that we might have been a bit too harsh towards him.
Well... I'm not looking for cheap labor. I really was ONLY trying to gauge how many generalists there are in the SI community and if there really was a potential workforce. So YES, I do mean well and I'm not looking to screw anyone over.

Anyways, DSW, regarding your questions: I'm a hobbyist with some animation knowledge and leaning towards TD-oriented tasks on account of being a software developer by day. There was a time when I was planning to switch careers from programming to VFX, but I'm currently reconsidering the feasibility of that. Still I would very much like an opportunity to put my skills to the test in a commercial project.

Best of luck to you.
Thanks. I still have no concrete idea on which way I'll be heading. It may end up being a combination of LW and SI. I REALLY like Arnold and it would be great to use that render engine. But right now I have no idea since I don't know my budget. This post here (and on other forums) was (again) just to gauge availability and interest. As soon as I know more, I'll let everyone know. But I think that generalists will probably be the best direction to take since we won't have a huge group. At this time though, I'm leaning towards a studio environment since we'll be relying on mocap and we'll need to do everything in-house. Remote workers are a possibility, but I have no clear direction as yet.

DSW: The xsi mailing list is THE hub for competent and seasoned community an advice, and if approached right is actually very welcoming of new people as well. It is, however, a place where many hardskinned and seasoned individuals hang out, so on the recruiting/prodding side of things it might get more abrasive than you'd hope.
Thanks for the info. This is good to know. I'm really not an a-hole troll looking to get something for nothing. For me, these were honest questions trying to ascertain some info that will ultimately help me make future decisions. Hopefully my project will be beneficial to members of the community and we'll all gain from it. Time will tell.

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