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kvernon
11-19-2003, 03:10 PM
I decided to go through and model these two based on the early cartoon styles from the 80-90's cartoon of the Teenage mutant ninja turtles.

The modeling was done using lightwave 3d...

any comments?

foot soldier has 1510 tris

leo has 2140 tris

http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/turtles90s.jpg

RampanT
11-19-2003, 05:26 PM
I loved the turtles. They rocked!!

I'm going from memory here but i remember the turtles being slightly more muscular, leo here is looking very thin and frail. I'd also make the hands and feet a bit bigger and just generally beef the volume of the model up slightly.

Also, is the textured finished? I'm guessing no cos its basically flat colour areas on the model. But a good start, it'll be cool to see them finished.

kvernon
11-19-2003, 05:48 PM
Thanks RampanT!

I have to agree with the size adjustment to the hands and feet, what a HUGE difference it's made on leo! take a look below.. I did minor tweaking to his over all form. Any better or do you feel it needs more? Thank ya for the comments!

http://bubba-x.com/dl/leo.jpg

texmesh
11-19-2003, 07:49 PM
Hey Kelly, how ya doin?
Is me, Clint Wallace.
Overall, your model looks good. I think that the upper thighs are a little slim. I also think that the legs look as if they are too far apart where they join at the pelvis. You may want to look at some human photo references and model with them in the background. Of course there are obvious differences between a TMNT and a human, but it might help out with proportions. Check out this site for some good human reference photos: www.3d.sk
I hope this helps you.

Clint

time_101
11-19-2003, 11:48 PM
I'd be curious to see your reference, especially for the shell since a turtle shell completly surrounds the body and doesn't leave the sides open.

Ebola0001
11-20-2003, 12:12 AM
Hi I feel I just have to chime in. Growing up with these guys

http://www.ninjaturtles.com/

Is the official site and there are innumerable fan sites out there

From the first comics in 1984 to today’s modern hard shelled foot soldier kicking terrapins...

You SHOULD know who the turtles are

here is a shot of Michelangelo (http://www.woodrell.com/joe/mikey.jpg)

anyway had to throw that in there :)

kvernon
11-20-2003, 12:17 AM
Clint! What up man! Yer alive!! :D It's been such a long time! drop me a line at kellyv at bubba-x dot com

Oh, here's a few references I have of the turtles, they're pics of what I've found searching online (of course)...

http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/tmnt/FC-1.gif
http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/tmnt/animan2.jpg
http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/tmnt/unmaskedturtles.jpg
http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/tmnt/don_beat_up.gif

From what I do recall about the turtles, they were only 4 ft high. In Addition to the cartoon, the foot soldiers were shown skinny, and mindless (robots). I tried really hard finding more pics of past foot soldiers, and some were shots of the toys, but in my opinion, I didn't really like the toy as a reference.

Do you all know of places for TMNT pics? I found plent of recent cartoon style, but I have to model a low poly version krang too... and I didn't see him in the new storyline... :?



Thanks!
Kelly

kvernon
11-20-2003, 12:19 AM
oh Ebola0001, you rock!! I missed the fan sites! Mucho tanks!

kvernon
11-20-2003, 01:00 AM
I was thinking about what was being said, so I decided to place a front view in here to illustrate his proportions better. Is he still off?

http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/front.jpg

SlayerJenkins
11-20-2003, 01:44 AM
That's really starting to take form now, good job! Only comments I have are the arms still could be a little bit more muscular. The wrist pads appear to be on the wrong polygons, I think they might look better a little bit further up the arm, instead of going onto the palm it looks like, and the elbow pads don't make it around the arms anymore.

kvernon
11-20-2003, 02:20 PM
SlayerJenkins, you still think he should have a little more muscle in the arms? ok, I'll play with that! Oh, thanks for the wrist pads comment, I'll move em around!

here's a front view of the foot soldier...

http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/foot.jpg

kvernon
11-20-2003, 03:21 PM
one more...

this is leo with his arms changed... C&Cs please

http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/leo2.jpg

texmesh
11-20-2003, 04:08 PM
I think the front profile looks damn good.
He looks like he has a more defined waist line and back muscles (traps) too.

Suggestions for the front profile:
1. He needs a bulkier neck to support his head.
2. In the ref pic from the cartoon that you posted; the bottom of their chest plates narrow more in the pelvis area.

Suggestions for the side profile:
1. Shape the contour of the chest plates to better emphasize muscle mass.
2. Bigger neck here too.
3. the cavs look a little sharp, just my opinion.

In the ortho view the back of his arm (tricepts) looks a little weird. It could be just the angle of the render.

All of these points are only suggestions.

Clint

kvernon
11-21-2003, 02:45 AM
here's how krangs body is looking right now... So how's everything looking?

http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/krang.jpg

SlayerJenkins
11-21-2003, 02:53 AM
From my memory, I think the body needs to be a little fatter for Krang. It's hard to tell right now without the rest of the body, but pretty cool models so far.

kvernon
11-21-2003, 11:10 PM
Texmex: I'll agree, I'll play with the neck, calves, and plates to see what happens. I probably won't get much more definition in the plates though. :/ I think I see what you are talking about for the plates slowly getting smaller at the waist..

SlayerJenkins: I kinda think that too! Maybe when I get more parts created for the body it will help the body take shape! I'm in part like you, thinking krang's body needs more mass.

Thanks guys!

kvernon
11-22-2003, 04:59 AM
Here's progress on Krang's body, well his exosuit thingy anyway, I'm sure you can see the changes from the past picture. I did make him larger, and started work on a face (not much detail behind those glasses) I've also tweaked the straps. Like usual, gimme those comments!

I'll have Leo up later, just have to look at the neck on him now :D

http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/krang1.jpg

Thanks for all the help!

kvernon
11-22-2003, 05:20 AM
finally, here's the update on leo

http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/leo3.jpg

SlayerJenkins
11-22-2003, 05:25 AM
Elbow pads need to come around and connect don't they? Is that model textured or no?

kvernon
11-22-2003, 05:28 AM
no, the model is not textured... this is all polys... My guess is that it could get textured there later, or I could ad in some polys in the area... what do you think would be the better, adding 8 polys (both sides total) or just texture?

twindragon
11-22-2003, 02:57 PM
I loved the ninja turtles and still do. They had such cool characters back in the 80s and early 90s. How many characters are you hoping to model. Do you remember a character who had a seethrough glass body and inside he had a brain and body parts with mutagen inside. that guy would be cool think of the cool transparencies. maybe I could model him hmmm thinking about it.

Grooveholmes
11-22-2003, 03:06 PM
Hey kelly, your turtles are cool. I think what they are needing is a bit of bulking up. Yours look like skinny tmnt's.. they are all really pretty muscular.

I cant wait to see Krang himself. lol


J

kvernon
11-22-2003, 05:43 PM
twindragon, I've been thinking really heavily about it and I can't recall the character. The only toys I can think of are that bug man, and metalhead (the robot turtle). I'm pretty sure either of these are not that character. WHICH ONE IS IT?!?!??! :D So, please, model that guy! :) I don't know how far Ill go, I am thinking about doing more (since you planted it in my mind...) Maybe the classic shredder? hmmmm *deep in thought*

Grooveholmes, Could you tell me how he's skinny? Is it all over, shell, head? neck? yeah, good ole Krang himself... I'm thinking he'll look weird!

Thanks! :D

Grooveholmes
11-22-2003, 08:43 PM
The limbs have kind of a skinny look for a turtle, remember they are kind of squatty. Maybe you could make him look more bulked out by making the limbs thicker and adding more muscle definition?

Check out my friends turtle to see what i mean...

http://www.3dluvr.com/rampage/images/arm01.jpg

http://www.3dluvr.com/rampage/images/tmnt3d15.jpg

kvernon
11-22-2003, 09:41 PM
Grooveholmes, ehhhhhh WOA! Those limbs ARE beautiful! And his turtle looks great; it reminds me of the movie characters. :thumbsup: Thanks for the ideas! I'll see what I can do... with the polys in the arm.

kvernon
11-22-2003, 10:23 PM
I wound up adding polygons to add some depth to the character I think about 6 polys on both sides and now he's bulkier and wider... In short, any better? :)

http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/leo4.jpg

Grooveholmes
11-23-2003, 05:34 PM
Yah, I think its coming along now. How do you feel about it?

kvernon
11-24-2003, 12:09 AM
Grooveholmes, yeah, I think he's looking good now too! (That was a totally unexpected 180 with that question! Very good! :D )

kvernon
11-24-2003, 12:10 AM
Here's krangs exosuit done up... I'm thinking the upper legs need to be wider (via side view)

http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/krang2.jpg

SlayerJenkins
11-24-2003, 01:44 AM
Krang is looking good. You modeling these for the experience or some project?

kvernon
11-24-2003, 02:33 AM
more for experience SlayerJenkins... I'm hoping to tie them into a small little fight scene. Other than that, I dig the turtles, so I thought it would be fun :D I'm thinking about modeling shredder too (wasn't part of the plan).

My goal is to have more examples for character modeling and animation (for games), at the moment my reel is lite.

kvernon
11-24-2003, 02:34 PM
Ok, here's krang in his body (I know his tenticles are breaking the polys, I just haven't rigged him or anything yet)

http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/krang3.jpg

kvernon
11-25-2003, 09:36 PM
http://www.bubba-x.com/dl/shredder.jpg

Well, here's shredder, I kept his size down pretty low on polys, but at the moment he just doesn't seem quite right, maybe it's his clothing waiting to have dynamics or bones added to it, who knows? I don't. :'(

Keiyentai
11-26-2003, 07:48 AM
Dude that is just AWESOME! Oh the name of the "fly guy" is Dr. Beakmon. The human fly. hehe. I dont remeber the Robot Turlte's name. I like the models man there good :D cant waitr to see them animated. I want LightWave 8.....

SlayerJenkins
11-26-2003, 08:02 AM
The "fly guy" you speak of is called Baxter Stockman and the robotic turtle is called Mecaturtle. Other well-known villains include Bebop and Rocksteady (pig and rhino), Slash (the evil turtle), and Casey Jones who later became a friend of the turtles. I personally would like to see Bebop and Rocksteady, you are doing a great job, keep it up. The textures will really add a lot to the currently plain models, but you are probably trying to complete the models before texturing.

Shredder looks pretty good, except the feet appear oddly long from the perspective on the lower right of your pic and his cape a bit short.

Keiyentai
11-26-2003, 11:03 AM
Oh ya it is Baxtor. Why did I think Dr.Beakmon...meh owell. BeBop and RockSteady would be cool to see and SLasher as well. Maybe even Master Splinter or April

kvernon
11-26-2003, 02:40 PM
Good morning guys!

Keiyentai, hahah dr.beakmon :) I just realized where you got this from, or at I'm remembering a show on saturday mornings called, "Beakmon's World." I thought they did a great job with it in how they explained science to kids! Anyway, yer all about baxtor stalkman as the fly? I too am wondering what will happen with LightWave 8, since that's my only full-featured package I have. I heard they purchased david's tool for modeling (as you can tell more interested in modeling).

SlayerJenkins, Those are great ideas for other models. Speaking of texturing, I'm still a little lost at ways to go. I'm leaning towards this being cell shaded to go with the style of the cartoon because I just don't know of a style outside of that that could be decent. Do you have any suggestion of a direction to go?

Bebob, and Rocksteady would be great additions too! I loved Slash and forever quest to find, "binky." Maybe later on. Geeze this is a blast modeling these guys... I did start to work on shredder, as for rigging, but it [the rig] went AWOL. Hopefully I'll have someting today ~ oh, I'll tweak the feet, I agree about that them jobbies! :)

Thank you two for all your help!

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